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How else would he have been able to do all of those things to that bully so quickly in the first episode?
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How else would he have been able to do all of those things to that bully so quickly in the first episode?episode?
[[WMG: The Harmons manage to remove the curse on the house via ThePowerOfLove]]
After [[spoiler: The Harmons all die and are stuck in the murder house]] it is shown that not only have they reconciled but are actually happy and they welcome a previously unhappy Moira into their family. Suffice to say that none of the other ghosts are happy or have loving relationships, whose to say that wasn't the key?
[[WMG: The Harmons manage to remove the curse on the house via ThePowerOfLove]]
After [[spoiler: The Harmons all die and are stuck in the murder house]] it is shown that not only have they reconciled but are actually happy and they welcome a previously unhappy Moira into their family. Suffice to say that none of the other ghosts are happy or have loving relationships, whose to say that wasn't the key?
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In horror films, [[FinalGirl the final girl]] is always a young, terrorized ingenue who is [[GenreSavvy somewhat savvy to what's going on around her]], at least compared to the other characters. [[AdultsAreUseless And this is especially true in Violet's case]]. Plus, it doesn't hurt that [[spoiler: Violet has Tate, one of the house's spirits, on her side]].
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In horror films, [[FinalGirl the final girl]] is always a young, terrorized ingenue who is [[GenreSavvy somewhat savvy to what's going on around her]], her, at least compared to the other characters. [[AdultsAreUseless And this is especially true in Violet's case]]. Plus, it doesn't hurt that [[spoiler: Violet has Tate, one of the house's spirits, on her side]].
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If you agree with the fan theory that the truth behind the connection in-between the seasons is that it's all an experiment run by [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum the aliens]], then it could be that the aliens are somehow experimenting on human souls, and have put a forcefield around the house to keep out such supernatural annoyances as Shachath, the Demon (both of whom interfered with their work in ''Asylum'') Papa Legba, and Edward Mordrake, all so that their subjects will remain safe.
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[[WMG: There is a force around the murder house and the property that prevents [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum Shachath]] from entering and escorting the murder victims to heaven or hell.]]
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[[WMG: There is a force around the murder house and the property that prevents [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum Shachath]] from entering and escorting the murder victims to heaven or hell.]]]]
[[WMG: Tate Langdon is Peter Maximoff from Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast.]]
How else would he have been able to do all of those things to that bully so quickly in the first episode?
[[WMG: Tate Langdon is Peter Maximoff from Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast.]]
How else would he have been able to do all of those things to that bully so quickly in the first episode?
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[[WMG: There is a force around the murder house and the property that prevents the [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum Angel of Death]] from entering and escorting the murder victims to heaven or hell.]]
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[[WMG: There is a force around the murder house and the property that prevents the [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum Angel of Death]] Shachath]] from entering and escorting the murder victims to heaven or hell.]]
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[[WMG: There is a force around the murder house and the property that prevents the [[AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum [[Series/AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum Angel of Death]] from entering and escorting the murder victims to heaven or hell.]]
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[[spoiler: Nora]] has always wanted a baby...maybe Tate just didn't want the child Chad and Patrick were planning to adopt to [[spoiler: be "adopted" by her]]
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[[spoiler: Nora]] has always wanted a baby...maybe Tate just didn't want the child Chad and Patrick were planning to adopt to [[spoiler: be "adopted" by her]]her]]
[[WMG: There is a force around the murder house and the property that prevents the [[AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum Angel of Death]] from entering and escorting the murder victims to heaven or hell.]]
[[WMG: There is a force around the murder house and the property that prevents the [[AmericanHorrorStoryAsylum Angel of Death]] from entering and escorting the murder victims to heaven or hell.]]
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[[WMG: Tate [[spoiler: kills Chad and Patrick to save the baby.]]
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[[WMG: Tate [[spoiler: kills Chad and Patrick to save the baby.]]]]]]
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[[WMG: When Tate [[spoiler: kills Chad and Patrick,]] he does it to [[spoiler: save the baby they were planning to adopt from being kidnapped by Nora.]]]]
[[Nora]] has always wanted a baby...maybe Tate just didn't want the child Chad and Patrick were planning to adopt to [[be "adopted" by her]]
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[[WMG: When Tate [[spoiler: kills Chad and Patrick,]] he does it Patrick to save the baby.]]
[[spoiler:save the baby they were planning to adopt from being kidnapped by Nora.]]]]
[[Nora]]Nora]] has always wanted a baby...maybe Tate just didn't want the child Chad and Patrick were planning to adopt to [[be [[spoiler: be "adopted" by her]]
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[[WMG: When Tate [[spoiler: kills Chad and Patrick,]] he does it to [[spoiler: save the baby they were planning to adopt from being kidnapped by Nora.]]]]]]
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People are probably wondering why, if ghosts get to choose how they look and appear-- why Moira has "young Moira" and "old Moira". Some people think it's because men see her differently because that's how men view women -- but Moira has young and old Moira because she has chosen to look old for women. She was killed by Constance who saw her being raped and interpreted is as her seducing her husband -- Moira's young form is naturally beautiful so she goes as an aged ghost for women so that they won't get jealous or suspicious of her. She's deceiving the women, not the men. Her true form is a young dead girl.
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People are probably wondering why, if ghosts get to choose how they look and appear-- why Moira has "young Moira" and "old Moira". Some people think it's because men see her differently because that's how men view women -- but Moira has young and old Moira because she has chosen to look old for women. She was killed by Constance who saw her being raped and interpreted is as her seducing her husband -- Moira's young form is naturally beautiful so she goes as an aged ghost for women so that they won't get jealous or suspicious of her. She's deceiving the women, not the men. Her true form is a young dead girl.girl.
[[WMG: When Tate [[spoiler: kills Chad and Patrick,]] he does it to [[spoiler: save the baby they were planning to adopt from being kidnapped by Nora.]]
[[Nora]] has always wanted a baby...maybe Tate just didn't want the child Chad and Patrick were planning to adopt to [[be "adopted" by her]]
[[WMG: When Tate [[spoiler: kills Chad and Patrick,]] he does it to [[spoiler: save the baby they were planning to adopt from being kidnapped by Nora.]]
[[Nora]] has always wanted a baby...maybe Tate just didn't want the child Chad and Patrick were planning to adopt to [[be "adopted" by her]]
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Billie Dean described clairvoyance as a "different gift" from her own, implying that clairvoyants do exist in this world. Both Bianca and the man from "Piggy, Piggy" were obsessed with a vision of the circumstances of their own deaths which turned out to be true, even if the details were different.
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Billie Dean described clairvoyance as a "different gift" from her own, implying that clairvoyants do exist in this world. Both Bianca and the man from "Piggy, Piggy" were obsessed with a vision of the circumstances of their own deaths which turned out to be true, even if the details were different.different.
[[WMG: Moira's true form is her younger self]]
People are probably wondering why, if ghosts get to choose how they look and appear-- why Moira has "young Moira" and "old Moira". Some people think it's because men see her differently because that's how men view women -- but Moira has young and old Moira because she has chosen to look old for women. She was killed by Constance who saw her being raped and interpreted is as her seducing her husband -- Moira's young form is naturally beautiful so she goes as an aged ghost for women so that they won't get jealous or suspicious of her. She's deceiving the women, not the men. Her true form is a young dead girl.
[[WMG: Moira's true form is her younger self]]
People are probably wondering why, if ghosts get to choose how they look and appear-- why Moira has "young Moira" and "old Moira". Some people think it's because men see her differently because that's how men view women -- but Moira has young and old Moira because she has chosen to look old for women. She was killed by Constance who saw her being raped and interpreted is as her seducing her husband -- Moira's young form is naturally beautiful so she goes as an aged ghost for women so that they won't get jealous or suspicious of her. She's deceiving the women, not the men. Her true form is a young dead girl.
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The Antichrist will be conceived when a male ghost has sex with a living woman. It’s a grotesque parody of Christ’s conception by the Holy Spirit. The house is a good place for that to happen, since it’s a ghost trap. Everyone who dies in the house stays in the house as a ghost. Dr. Montgomery had the house built for himself and his wife to live in. The house is a ghost trap because Dr. Montgomery had it built that way. He did that and knew how to do that because it was part of his deal with Satan. The Devil gave him the secret of bringing back the dead in exchange for building the house the way the Devil wanted it. Unfortunately, it was all so horrifying that it drove him into drug addiction and madness.
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The Antichrist will be conceived when a male ghost has sex with a living woman. It’s a grotesque parody of Christ’s conception by the Holy Spirit. The house is a good place for that to happen, since it’s a ghost trap. Everyone who dies in the house stays in the house as a ghost. Dr. Montgomery had the house built for himself and his wife to live in. The house is a ghost trap because Dr. Montgomery had it built that way. He did that and knew how to do that because it was part of his deal with Satan. The Devil gave him the secret of bringing back the dead in exchange for building the house the way the Devil wanted it. Unfortunately, it was all so horrifying that it drove him into drug addiction and madness.madness.
[[WMG: Bianca and the patient from "Piggy, Piggy" had a limited form of clairvoyance.]]
Billie Dean described clairvoyance as a "different gift" from her own, implying that clairvoyants do exist in this world. Both Bianca and the man from "Piggy, Piggy" were obsessed with a vision of the circumstances of their own deaths which turned out to be true, even if the details were different.
[[WMG: Bianca and the patient from "Piggy, Piggy" had a limited form of clairvoyance.]]
Billie Dean described clairvoyance as a "different gift" from her own, implying that clairvoyants do exist in this world. Both Bianca and the man from "Piggy, Piggy" were obsessed with a vision of the circumstances of their own deaths which turned out to be true, even if the details were different.
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[[WMG: Vivien's baby is actually [[spoiler: the Infantata.]]]]
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: Neither are.]]
[[WMG: Ben is actually DeadAllAlong.]]
To elaborate, Larry whacked him pretty hard in the basement. And we haven't seen him any where else except inside the house since then...
* {{Jossed}} by the latest episode, Ben goes to the mental hospital where Vivian is confined, to see her. Unless I'm misremembering and the incident you're talking about happens at/near the end of the same episode, but the way you described it sounds like it's been at least a few episodes.
** This is old and was disproved after several episodes.
[[WMG: There are actually two opposing forces in the house.]]
One force uses the dead to try and create life, while the other uses the living to try and kill the females to keep the other force from procreating. The first force retaliates by trying to keep the males out of the house.
* The "try and create life" force should be the same as the "try and kill the females" force. The house's force could be all those aborted babies, but as unborn babies, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality they're not very human in thinking]], so let's excuse them for the unusual hell they're creating, and for being almost an EldritchAbomination.
* In "Afterbirth", Moira suggests a different interpretation. One force is comprised of ghosts who are angry and wish to inflict their fate on the living, the other is comprised of ghosts who were victims and who wish to spare the living from their fate. [[spoiler: It's the latter group Ben and Vivien belong to, and who help run off the new owners of the house.]]
[[WMG: Violet will be the FinalGirl of the first season.]]
In horror films, [[FinalGirl the final girl]] is always a young, terrorized ingenue who is [[GenreSavvy somewhat savvy to what's going on around her]], at least compared to the other characters. [[AdultsAreUseless And this is especially true in Violet's case]]. Plus, it doesn't hurt that [[spoiler: Violet has Tate, one of the house's spirits, on her side]].
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: She did not survive her overdose. Ben becomes [[FinalGirl Final Boy]] by default, but that only lasts for part of the season finale.]]
[[WMG: Vivien's twins]]
One is a demon, and the other is Ben's, setting up a final battle between good and evil in Murder House.
* Possibly {{Jossed}}, as [[spoiler: one of the twins, Ben's, is stillborn.]]
** It's implied that [[spoiler: the baby was still alive, Charles just told Ben and Vivien that it was dead so he could hand it off to Nora. It's also possible that since it died in the house, it's now a ghost baby. The finale will probably provide an answer to that.]]
** [[spoiler: Yes, it's a ghost baby. Nora says it cried once, then died.]]
[[WMG: Tate didn't save Violet in time when she [[DrivenToSuicide overdosed]]]]
And she's now a ghost in the house too. This is why she hasn't been in school for two weeks and hasn't left the house.
* [[spoiler: Confirmed during "Smoldering Children".]]
[[WMG: Tate's going to try to kill Violet]]
So that she will stay in the house forever with him (If Violet is still alive, that is).
* To top it, Hayden will tell him to kill her.
* Looks like this will happen in episode 10, based on the promo for it
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: She's already dead, he just reveals it to her.]]
[[WMG: Moira will not find peace when (and if) her bones are found]]
After all, Chad and Patrick are still ghosts in the house, ''and their bodies were found''. What makes Moira think she will be allowed to leave the house if her bones are found, when (and if) the gazebo is removed? Would bet on her becoming the BigBad of the series if she finds this out (she won't be happy, in spite of her very calm and polite demeanor)
* Slightly {{Jossed}}. The peace that Moira is looking for has been implied to be of the mental kind. In "Open House," she states that when her bones are eventually discovered, Constance will "pay" for what she did. All she wants is for her murderer to be brought to justice. She knows that she'll never get out of the house.
[[WMG: Ben and Constance will die in the season finale.]]
[[spoiler: [[TogetherInDeath In which case the Harmons could be reunited as a family, albeit a ghostly one in the house]]]].
It would make sense - No one can escape Murder House. Tate will most likely end up killing Constance.
* More specifically, Constance will kill Ben in order to steal her grandchild and raise him up herself. I doubt that Tate will kill Constance though, given that he hates her and having to spend eternity with her in Murder House would be one of the last things he would want.
* If that's the case, the 2nd season could have a new family moving into Murder House.
** [[spoiler: A new family actually moves in not long after Ben's death. Ben and Vivien run them off. It's implied they'll keep doing it, so that nobody else has to go through what they did.]]
* Partially Jossed: [[spoiler: Ben was murdered, but Constance didn't die. She's still alive, three years later, and raising Tate's son.]]
[[WMG: Both of Vivien's twins survived.]]
Charles Montgomery lied about the first child being stillborn. Right after he says it, we see Nora being secretive. The baby we saw is actually Ben's child, and while everybody's fighting for it, the ghost baby will slip right under everyone's noses.
* Partially {{Jossed}}: [[spoiler: Nora says the baby let out one cry and then died. Vivien convinces her to return the baby.]]
[[WMG: Dr. Montgomery made a deal with the devil.]]
The Antichrist will be conceived when a male ghost has sex with a living woman. It’s a grotesque parody of Christ’s conception by the Holy Spirit. The house is a good place for that to happen, since it’s a ghost trap. Everyone who dies in the house stays in the house as a ghost. Dr. Montgomery had the house built for himself and his wife to live in. The house is a ghost trap because Dr. Montgomery had it built that way. He did that and knew how to do that because it was part of his deal with Satan. The Devil gave him the secret of bringing back the dead in exchange for building the house the way the Devil wanted it. Unfortunately, it was all so horrifying that it drove him into drug addiction and madness.
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: Neither are.]]
[[WMG: Ben is actually DeadAllAlong.]]
To elaborate, Larry whacked him pretty hard in the basement. And we haven't seen him any where else except inside the house since then...
* {{Jossed}} by the latest episode, Ben goes to the mental hospital where Vivian is confined, to see her. Unless I'm misremembering and the incident you're talking about happens at/near the end of the same episode, but the way you described it sounds like it's been at least a few episodes.
** This is old and was disproved after several episodes.
[[WMG: There are actually two opposing forces in the house.]]
One force uses the dead to try and create life, while the other uses the living to try and kill the females to keep the other force from procreating. The first force retaliates by trying to keep the males out of the house.
* The "try and create life" force should be the same as the "try and kill the females" force. The house's force could be all those aborted babies, but as unborn babies, [[BlueAndOrangeMorality they're not very human in thinking]], so let's excuse them for the unusual hell they're creating, and for being almost an EldritchAbomination.
* In "Afterbirth", Moira suggests a different interpretation. One force is comprised of ghosts who are angry and wish to inflict their fate on the living, the other is comprised of ghosts who were victims and who wish to spare the living from their fate. [[spoiler: It's the latter group Ben and Vivien belong to, and who help run off the new owners of the house.]]
[[WMG: Violet will be the FinalGirl of the first season.]]
In horror films, [[FinalGirl the final girl]] is always a young, terrorized ingenue who is [[GenreSavvy somewhat savvy to what's going on around her]], at least compared to the other characters. [[AdultsAreUseless And this is especially true in Violet's case]]. Plus, it doesn't hurt that [[spoiler: Violet has Tate, one of the house's spirits, on her side]].
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: She did not survive her overdose. Ben becomes [[FinalGirl Final Boy]] by default, but that only lasts for part of the season finale.]]
[[WMG: Vivien's twins]]
One is a demon, and the other is Ben's, setting up a final battle between good and evil in Murder House.
* Possibly {{Jossed}}, as [[spoiler: one of the twins, Ben's, is stillborn.]]
** It's implied that [[spoiler: the baby was still alive, Charles just told Ben and Vivien that it was dead so he could hand it off to Nora. It's also possible that since it died in the house, it's now a ghost baby. The finale will probably provide an answer to that.]]
** [[spoiler: Yes, it's a ghost baby. Nora says it cried once, then died.]]
[[WMG: Tate didn't save Violet in time when she [[DrivenToSuicide overdosed]]]]
And she's now a ghost in the house too. This is why she hasn't been in school for two weeks and hasn't left the house.
* [[spoiler: Confirmed during "Smoldering Children".]]
[[WMG: Tate's going to try to kill Violet]]
So that she will stay in the house forever with him (If Violet is still alive, that is).
* To top it, Hayden will tell him to kill her.
* Looks like this will happen in episode 10, based on the promo for it
* {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: She's already dead, he just reveals it to her.]]
[[WMG: Moira will not find peace when (and if) her bones are found]]
After all, Chad and Patrick are still ghosts in the house, ''and their bodies were found''. What makes Moira think she will be allowed to leave the house if her bones are found, when (and if) the gazebo is removed? Would bet on her becoming the BigBad of the series if she finds this out (she won't be happy, in spite of her very calm and polite demeanor)
* Slightly {{Jossed}}. The peace that Moira is looking for has been implied to be of the mental kind. In "Open House," she states that when her bones are eventually discovered, Constance will "pay" for what she did. All she wants is for her murderer to be brought to justice. She knows that she'll never get out of the house.
[[WMG: Ben and Constance will die in the season finale.]]
[[spoiler: [[TogetherInDeath In which case the Harmons could be reunited as a family, albeit a ghostly one in the house]]]].
It would make sense - No one can escape Murder House. Tate will most likely end up killing Constance.
* More specifically, Constance will kill Ben in order to steal her grandchild and raise him up herself. I doubt that Tate will kill Constance though, given that he hates her and having to spend eternity with her in Murder House would be one of the last things he would want.
* If that's the case, the 2nd season could have a new family moving into Murder House.
** [[spoiler: A new family actually moves in not long after Ben's death. Ben and Vivien run them off. It's implied they'll keep doing it, so that nobody else has to go through what they did.]]
* Partially Jossed: [[spoiler: Ben was murdered, but Constance didn't die. She's still alive, three years later, and raising Tate's son.]]
[[WMG: Both of Vivien's twins survived.]]
Charles Montgomery lied about the first child being stillborn. Right after he says it, we see Nora being secretive. The baby we saw is actually Ben's child, and while everybody's fighting for it, the ghost baby will slip right under everyone's noses.
* Partially {{Jossed}}: [[spoiler: Nora says the baby let out one cry and then died. Vivien convinces her to return the baby.]]
[[WMG: Dr. Montgomery made a deal with the devil.]]
The Antichrist will be conceived when a male ghost has sex with a living woman. It’s a grotesque parody of Christ’s conception by the Holy Spirit. The house is a good place for that to happen, since it’s a ghost trap. Everyone who dies in the house stays in the house as a ghost. Dr. Montgomery had the house built for himself and his wife to live in. The house is a ghost trap because Dr. Montgomery had it built that way. He did that and knew how to do that because it was part of his deal with Satan. The Devil gave him the secret of bringing back the dead in exchange for building the house the way the Devil wanted it. Unfortunately, it was all so horrifying that it drove him into drug addiction and madness.
