History WMG / AlienIsolation

[[WMG: The xenomorph (or xenomorphs) that hatched from Marlow's wife [[spoiler:turned into a queen.]]]] [[spoiler:We know that drones can turn into queens under the right circumstances, so it might be that it sensed that there were enough hosts to form a hive and developed into a queen inside the reactor. Ripley just never ran into her.]]
* [[spoiler:WordofGod seems to support this; Gary Napper stated [[http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/interview-creative-assembly-post-launch/ here]] that they intended for a Queen to be responsible for the eggs, but were unable to find a way to put a Queen in the game without detracting from the focus on horror and the first Alien film (because players would want a boss battle against the Queen, which would be more like Aliens than Alien).]]
[[WMG: [[spoiler: Verlaine survived]]]]
[[spoiler: In the final part of the game, Amanda tries to get in touch with Verlaine, only to encounter the game's final xenomorph, implying that Verlaine was killed. However, it's possible that Verlaine was hiding from the creature, and couldn't answer Ripley for fear of being discovered. Once Amanda and the xenormoph were ejected from the ''Torrens'', Verlaine quickly did a scan of the ship to ensure there were no more aliens aboard, and then flew over to pick Amanda up, and the two of them (along with navigator/communications officer Conner, if he survived) headed back to Earth]].
* [[spoiler: I'd say this is the only version of events that makes sense. In Aliens Amanda is mentioned as dying of natural causes years later so she must have been rescued and it's hard to imagine any ship other than the ''Torrens'' getting there in time to do so. Plus the only other ship likely to come would be another Wayland Yutani ship which would have captured the Xenomorph before rescuing Amanda (if they bothered to rescue her at all) and in Aliens they still don't have a specimen. My guess would be Amanda cooked up some story so Wayland Yutani wouldn't believe she knew anything about the origin of the Xenomorphs, hence why they didn't find the Space Jockey's ship until after Ellen Ripley was found.]]

spoiler: think of it from the Alien's perspective: when you descend into the Hive, and begin messing around in it, you are breaching an area that the Xeno's made specifically to get drunk, have Pre-marital sex and impregnate people. then you activate the core explosion and all the Guys that he was just hanging with a minute ago, all explode for no reason. no wonder he's pissed. you ruined Friday night Football.

[[WMG: [[spoiler: The Alien on the ''Torrens'' at the end is the "main" Alien]] ]]
It's thematically fitting that the very last xenomorph to appear in the game was the same one that threatened Amanda throughout the story, in part because it's been stated that the reason it keeps hunting Amanda is because it's grown to resent her, personally, as an individual, out of a sense of injured pride from being unable to kill her for so long because she keeps outsmarting it. [[spoiler: The one that was dropped into the gas giant as part of Waits' trap was a different xenomorph, since it's well-established that there's dozens of aliens on Sevastopol by the end. This final Alien was also the one that first appears when Amanda is trying to detach the ''Torrens'' from Sevatopol.]]

It always seemed a bit convenient that [[spoiler: when Amanda awakens in the nest at the end of the game, she wakes up quickly enough to tear through the resin that isn't yet hard enough to hold her in place, just kinda lets herself out, and carries on,]] which you would think enough other people in any of the movies would've managed to do and escape. However, in the original treatment for Aliens, back when it was still called Alien II, certain medical compounds are shown being able to act against the Alien's paralytic venom due to it being similar to some nerve agents used in chemical warfare. What if all those makeshift medkits Amanda's been slamming into her arm throughout the game act against it in the same way? All we know after all is that she's putting something called "compound B," a "bonding agent" we're fairly sure is glue, and a few additional bits of "scrap" into a needle, and it seems as though [[spoiler: you're forced by certain in-game sequences to take enough damage that you'd have to use at least one during the game in order to not die, so there's gonna be some of it in her system given the short timeframe of the game.]]

It's thematically fitting that the very last xenomorph to appear in the game was the same one that threatened Amanda throughout the story, in part because it's been stated that the reason it keeps hunting Amanda is because it's grown to resent her, personally, as an individual, out of a sense of injured pride from being unable to kill her for so long because she keeps outsmarting it. [[spoiler: The one that was dropped into the gas giant as part of Waits' trap was a different xenomorph, since it's well-established that there's dozens of aliens on Sevastopol by the end. This final Alien was also the one that first appears when Amanda is trying to detach the ''Torrens'' from Sevatopol.]]

At first, Amanda (or whoever replaces her) will be just as helpless as they were in the first game and reliant on stealth and gadgets to keep the Alien(s) off her back. Towards the end, however, they'll find a cache of Colonial Marine quality weaponry and [[CatharsisFactor mow their way]] [[TheHunterBecomesTheHunted through the growing hordes of Aliens]]. [[RealityEnsues It won't last, however]] and the climax will be a cat and mouse between a now ammo-depleted Amanda and the surviving swarm, possibly even the Queen herself.

** Well, Gorman stated that the M-41A pulse rifle's ammo was "Ten millimeter explosive-tip caseless. Standard light armor-piercing round." That means that the M-41A pulse rifles were sporting ammo that was designed to punch through armor. Gorman is seen later on in the film, while trying to rescue Vasquez, firing off a handgun with the gunshots bouncing off the alien's dome. This suggests that Gorman's gun had regular ammo while the M-41A had ammo that could cut a xenomorph in half. So the above possibility exists, since the game takes place on a space station in the middle of space. Having ammo on board that could cause potential damage to systems and puncture the hull would not be the best of ideas (but turned out not to be the best idea anyway against the alien).

* So, basically what was done with ''Aliens''.

** Assuming that the information given to Burke about Amanda Ripley's death was in fact real. Also, due to the Digital Series that was released that adapted the game and continued the story after the events of the game, Amanda spent hours trying to contact the Torrens after using the airlock with no luck, indicating that the implied death of Verlaine is canon. Amanda was rescued by another vessel.

** Assuming that the information given to Burke about Amanda Ripley's death was in fact real. Also, due to the Digital Series that was released that adapted the game and continued the story after the events of the game, Amanda spent hours trying to contact the Torrens after using the airlock with no luck, indicating that the implied death of Verlaine off-screen is canon.

** Assuming that the information given to Burke about Amanda Ripley's death was in fact real. Also, due to the Digital Series that was released that adapted the game and continued the story after the events of the game, Amanda spent hours trying to contact the Torrens after using the airlock with no luck, indicating that this WMG is Jossed.

** Assuming that the information given to Burke about Amanda Ripley's death was in fact real.

[[WMG: [[Spoiler: The Alien is a teenager and the Hive is a frat house]]]]

** Assuming that the information given to Burke about Amanda Ripley's death was in fact real. Remember, the company railroaded Ripley when she told the truth about what happened aboard the Nostromo, forcing her to lose her flight officer status and sent her into required psychiatric probation. If they did that just to quiet her about the xenomorph, what's saying that they didn't feed her false information about what really happened to Amanda? If Ripley had known that the company sent Amanda into a situation similar to hers and that Amanda didn't make it, what would have kept her from raging a war against the company? It's safe to assume the information given to Burke was falsafied as a means of trying to cover their tracks and keeping Ellen Ripley in check. As for if Burke was involved with the coverup at that moment, it's hard to know for sure (but it could be likely he didn't know the information he was given her was false).
** That doesn't work. Wayland Yutani covering up Amanda's death from the events of this game is plausible but they would have faked it as an accident at the time it happened, not a death from cancer decades later after she married someone (which is what was shown in Aliens). Even if they didn't bother at the time and only cooked up the story when Ellen Ripley reappeared it would still be stupid to invent several decades worth of fake life including a husband. After all what happens when Ellen decides to go visit her son in law or his family? And indeed why would Wayland Yutani be remotely scared of Ellen Ripley? She's an out of work cargo hauler, what threat does she pose that is worth inventing a cover up over? The stated fate of Amanda makes no sense as a cover up, meaning one way or anther she made it back from ''Isolation.''
*** Actually, it does work. There's nothing saying that for her husband's information that they lied about him and his family being dead, too (this is 57 years after the original film, mind you, a lot of people can die over that timeframe). If the information about him was false, they could have had the husband be listed in a single-child family (much like Amanda, as there's no mention of Ripley having any other children), or that he may have had siblings that all died of old age (like Amanda) or through accidents, murdered or suicides (which are possible means in which people die, especially more plausible in the 57 years). Plus, there's no reason for Ripley to consider bothering to look for them anyway, as the only person she really cared about was Amanda. And she's gone. So, why would she consider bothering a family who has no idea who she is, if they existed?
*** Possible but again, why bother? If they want to cover up her death as part of the events of this game why would they wait decades before fabricating a fake marriage and cancer when they could just have Amanda have died in an industrial accident at the time she actually died? A smart cover-up includes as much of the truth as possible and it doesn't leave Amanda's death as an unsolved mystery all that time. The only reason they'd do it that way is if the cover-up was created purely for Ripley's benefit and again, Weyland Yutani has no reason to fear her (certainly less than government investigation into the deaths of an entire space station's population). Even if they did the story from ''Aliens'' would leave a lot of loose ends if not true. Also why ''wouldn't'' Ripley want to go see her son-in-law or his family? The only people who knew her daughter as an adult, who will have memories to share about her, maybe even home videos and the like? I'd want to see them in her position. Occams Razor applies; the explanation that requires the least new information is that Amanda did survive.
*** Again, this is information given to Ripley, a woman who managed to survive an alien attack AND nerfed a star freighter in order to stop it. Clearly, she is a force to be reckoned with, and the last thing the company needs is for her to start waging a personal war against them (there's a good chance that being told Amanda died during the events of Alien: Isolation would have set her off and she would look for other possible victims railroaded by the company to start fighting back against them, and the company would be smart to make sure not to allow that to happen. Why else do you think they railroaded her by making her not only lose her flight officer status and see a psychiatrist? Simple: because if she told multiple people the truth about what happened on the Nostromo, and that the company was responsible for it, they'd look into her record to see that she was suspended by them and is seeing a psychiatrist, implying that she's nuts). It makes sense to feed Ripley false information because it keeps her in check. And, again, even if she checked into any possible "family" that might be around, all sources would probably say they were dead due to various things including old age, thus no other living family members for anyone related to Amanda (biologically or by marriage. And again, this is 57 years. In 2018, in the U.S. an estimated 7,452 people died per day of various different things. Now, do the math and figure out how many people die with 57 years, and you come back to me and tell me how it's possible for anyone who might have known Amanda, or related to Amanda, is still alive). The company clearly lied to everyone else to keep them from knowing what they did to the Nostromo, in addition to manipulating everyone to try to get one xenomorph (we've seen it in the first three films. Hell, we even find out that the company bought the station in the game to try to get one of these things, and if they had succeeded and got the whole station full of xenomorphs, they would have had to give a cover story as to why all contact was lost with it and answer to the friends and relatives of the people on board about what happened to them). Why is it so hard to believe that the company wasn't trying to lie to Ripley, considering everything else (including manipulating and killing people) that they've done as a means of trying to keep her in check? It's not Occams Razer when you have even seen how easy it is to manipulate data (as there are many real world examples of this), unless you happen to believe that Weyland-Yutani actually told people about the xenomorphs and what actually happened to the Nostromo, and that people either too dumb to listen or just don't care (which would make Amanda too dumb to live because if they had told her the truth, she wouldn't have been looking for Ripley, which is not the case in the game, because the Nostromo is listed as missing, which can also be assumed to be destroyed with all on board being listed as lost/dead). Are you seriously telling me it would be impossible for the company with the resources like Weyland-Yuntai has to look up records on someone from the past who died and had no family, and then change data to say that Amanda was married to them, so that if Ripley looked, it would have lead to a dead end, in addition to lying about how Amanda really died?
*** "Clearly, she is a force to be reckoned with" Why? She turned on the self-destruct built into the ship and ran to the escape shuttle in time then survived mainly because the xenomorph was dozing. Not unimpressive but I fail to see how that translates to the ability to dig up hidden information then lead some sort of revolution against a megacorp. "Why else do you think they railroaded her by making her not only lose her flight officer status and see a psychiatrist?" To discredit her while they look for the xenomorphs. That's not a mystery. It would also work just as well for her saying that her daughter was killed by the company (even assuming she would even think that without any evidence). No need to create decades worth of false history for Amanda. "even if she checked into any possible "family" that might be around, all sources would probably say they were dead due to various things including old age, thus no other living family members for anyone related to Amanda" Really? Everyone? Her family, friends, work colleagues, doctors, nurses, everyone who'd ever come into contact with her? Please do explain how that many false histories and possible assassinations are easier and cheaper for the company than just recording Amanda's death by industrial accident when said death would have happened had she died at the end of Isolation. This is a corporation remember; the bottom line is key. "unless you happen to believe that Weyland-Yutani actually told people about the xenomorphs and what actually happened to the Nostromo" Umm, what? How'd you reach that conclusion? Until they found Ripley no-one, including Weyland-Yutani, knew what happened to the Nostromo. It vanished on it's trip home, end of. "Are you seriously telling me it would be impossible for the company with the resources like Weyland-Yuntai has to look up records on someone from the past who died and had no family, and then change data to say that Amanda was married to them, so that if Ripley looked, it would have lead to a dead end, in addition to lying about how Amanda really died?" Impossible? No. But very difficult to maintain and entirely pointless. When, as mentioned, they could have listed Amanda as dead in an industrial accident when she actually died, not left it a mystery for years until cooking up some random story to trick Ripley for no reason. You seem to be tying yourself in logical knots here; the company is powerful enough to fake decades worth of multiple lives and even would think nothing of murdering multiple people but is doing all this because it's deathly afraid of an out of work cargo hauler who they can't just kill for...some reason and can't tell her that her daughter died years ago for...some other reason. What do you have against Amanda that you feel the need to make such absurd leaps just to make sure she didn't reach old age?
*** All I did was present a possibility: that the company lied about Amanda's real death to Ripley in order to keep Ripley in check (and then stripped her of her license to be a flight officer and then sent her to psychiatric evaluation to make it look like she was nuts and was responsible not just the destruction of the Nostromo, but the deaths of her crew, in case if she tried to tell anyone what really happened. Hell, even the Marines didn't believe her when she told them about the xenomorph until they encountered the xenos themselves). For some reason, to you, it just seems implausible that the company could have lied to Ripley and would have had a very detailed cover story with a plausible explanation as to why Ripley couldn't get in contact with any possible family from the also equally dead husband, and everyone who they could have possibly known being dead in the course of 57 years. But, yet, we've seen the company try to get this organism by planting an android on the Nostromo's crew and then having them haul cargo in the area of LV-426, and leaving an order to Mother and Ash to make sure to bring the creature back to be studied, even at the cost of the lives of the crew. In the game, we see them purchase the space station shortly before sending Amanda off and gave Apollo the same damn order as well (and they probably had a pretty good cover story for when Sevastopol Station was destroyed, too, most likely chalk it up to some sort of hardware failure leading it to fall into the gas giant). It's clear they'll do anything to get their hands on the xenomorph, not caring how many lives they destroy in the process and try to make sure that there's no one in their way to cause problems for them (even feeding Amanda the story that the Nostromo went missing and that it possibly got hit by a rogue comet, in addition to paying for lawyers for when she got in trouble and offered a job to her, as stated in the not-so-great Alien: Isolation - The Digital Series, which you can find on Website/YouTube). So, seeing that the company has been involved in a conspiracy for DECADES to get their hands on the xenomorph, caused so much death and destruction and probably lied about what happened to the Nostromo to all the families of the crew, it seems so impossible to you that the company could have lied to Ripley about how her daughter really died in addition to everything else they put her through. You believe that the information, handed to Ripley by Burke, who flat-out told Ripley that he works for the company, is legit. You clearly believe Burke a reliable source of information, when we find out he's just as corrupt and horrible as the people who gave Mother and Ash those orders years before later on in the film (even trying to get Ripley and Newt face hugged). The company had been involved in a conspiracy for decades wouldn't leave anything to chance. And you believe it's not possible that Weyland-Yutani, which is implied to be a Mega-Corp by the way, doesn't have a way to fake decades worth of digital information with the intention to feed that info to just one person, who they also stripped her flight officer status (which may also have resulted in her not being able to travel down to Earth. Think about it: Ellen remained on Gateway Station when she could easily work at a loading dock on Earth after what happened. There's only two possibilities that make sense as to why she stayed on Gateway Station are as followed: 1. her flight officer listing included being able to freely travel. With it revoked, she may have been put on a no-fly list as a result. 2. She knew for certain she had nothing left on Earth to go down to for). Like I said before, this is all a possibility that I presented, and that is all. That is the purpose of the WMG section of any movie, TV show, video game, comic book, book or any other media presented On TVTropes: to present possibilities. You either think they're possible or that they're not possible.
*** "For some reason, to you, it just seems implausible that the company could have lied to Ripley" I consider it highly plausible that the company would lie to Ripley, as indeed they did. I do find it implausible that they would give a lie that is A: Difficult to maintain and B: Completely pointless. "having them haul cargo in the area of LV-426" Side point but that's not what happened, at least not for that reason; Wayland Yutani didn't know the Xenomorphs were on LV-426, their machines were just programmed to respond to it if it came up. Notice in Aliens Wayland Yutani had colonists on the planet for years and never investigated the Space Jockey's ship until Ripley told them it was there. "they probably had a pretty good cover story for when Sevastopol Station was destroyed" My point exactly; they'd need that cover story right then and, by necessity, that cover story would need to include the deaths of the crew of the Torrens, Amanda included. If they did not include Amanda's death in such a story then the only logical conclusion is Amanda survived and the only logical way that could happen is if Verlaine survived. "The company had been involved in a conspiracy for decades wouldn't leave anything to chance." Quite right. So why would they invent a retroactive cover story for Amanda's death rather than one when it happened? "that is the purpose of the WMG section of any movie, TV show, video game, comic book, book or any other media presented On TVTropes: to present possibilities."
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*** All I did was present a possibility: that the company lied about Amanda's real death to Ripley in order to keep Ripley in check (and then stripped her of her license to be a flight officer and then sent her to psychiatric evaluation to make it look like she was nuts and was responsible not just the destruction of the Nostromo, but the deaths of her crew, in case if she tried to tell anyone what really happened. Hell, even the Marines didn't believe her when she told them about the xenomorph until they encountered the xenos themselves). For some reason, to you, it just seems implausible that the company could have lied to Ripley and would have had a very detailed cover story with a plausible explanation as to why Ripley couldn't get in contact with any possible family from the also equally dead husband, and everyone who they could have possibly known being dead in the course of 57 years. But, yet, we've seen the company try to get this organism by planting an android on the Nostromo's crew and then having them haul cargo in the area of LV-426, and leaving an order to Mother and Ash to make sure to bring the creature back to be studied, even at the cost of the lives of the crew. In the game, we see them purchase the space station shortly before sending Amanda off and gave Apollo the same damn order as well (and they probably had a pretty good cover story for when Sevastopol Station was destroyed, too, most likely chalk it up to some sort of hardware failure leading it to fall into the gas giant). It's clear they'll do anything to get their hands on the xenomorph, not caring how many lives they destroy in the process and try to make sure that there's no one in their way to cause problems for them (even feeding Amanda the story that the Nostromo went missing and that it possibly got hit by a rogue comet, in addition to paying for lawyers for when she got in trouble and offered a job to her, as stated in the not-so-great Alien: Isolation - The Digital Series, which you can find on Website/YouTube). So, seeing that the company has been involved in a conspiracy for DECADES to get their hands on the xenomorph, caused so much death and destruction and probably lied about what happened to the Nostromo to all the families of the crew, it seems so impossible to you that the company could have lied to Ripley about how her daughter really died in addition to everything else they put her through. You believe that the information, handed to Ripley by Burke, who flat-out told Ripley that he works for the company, is legit. You clearly believe Burke a reliable source of information, when we find out he's just as corrupt and horrible as the people who gave Mother and Ash those orders years before later on in the film (even trying to get Ripley and Newt face hugged). The company had been involved in a conspiracy for decades wouldn't leave anything to chance. And you believe it's not possible that Weyland-Yutani, which is implied to be a Mega-Corp by the way, doesn't have a way to fake decades worth of digital information with the intention to feed that info to just one person, who they also stripped her flight officer status (which may also have resulted in her not being able to travel down to Earth. Think about it: Ellen remained on Gateway Station when she could easily work at a loading dock on Earth after what happened. There's only two possibilities that make sense as to why she stayed on Gateway Station are as followed: 1. her flight officer listing included being able to freely travel. With it revoked, she may have been put on a no-fly list as a result. 2. She knew for certain she had nothing left on Earth to go down to for). Like I said before, this is all a possibility that I presented, and that is all. That is the purpose of the WMG section of any movie, TV show, video game, comic book, book or any other media presented On TVTropes: to present possibilities. You either think they're possible or that they're not possible. Either way, I'm done explaining to you repeatedly why this possibility exists, considering all the films, other video games and even the Extended Universe material have shown the company to not be trustworthy. Whether to accept the possibility exists or not is your decision. Now, can you please stop desperately trying to disprove a possibility, as we've long since passed the original WMG's topic, which is about Verlaine surviving the story (which seems to be possibly Jossed by the Alien: Isolatin digital series)?
*** "For some reason, to you, it just seems implausible that the company could have lied to Ripley" I consider it highly plausible that the company would lie to Ripley, as indeed they did. I do find it implausible that they would give a lie that is A: Difficult to maintain and B: Completely pointless. "having them haul cargo in the area of LV-426" Side point but that's not what happened, at least not for that reason; Wayland Yutani didn't know the Xenomorphs were on LV-426, their machines were just programmed to respond to it if it came up. Notice in Aliens Wayland Yutani had colonists on the planet for years and never investigated the Space Jockey's ship until Ripley told them it was there. "they probably had a pretty good cover story for when Sevastopol Station was destroyed" My point exactly; they'd need that cover story right then and, by necessity, that cover story would need to include the deaths of the crew of the Torrens, Amanda included. If they did not include Amanda's death in such a story then the only logical conclusion is Amanda survived and the only logical way that could happen is if Verlaine survived. "The company had been involved in a conspiracy for decades wouldn't leave anything to chance." Quite right. So why would they invent a retroactive cover story for Amanda's death rather than one when it happened? "that is the purpose of the WMG section of any movie, TV show, video game, comic book, book or any other media presented On TVTropes: to present possibilities." So make your own [=WMG=]. That's not what you're doing. You're trying to shout down someone else's with a very poorly constructed scenario. "Now, can you please stop desperately trying to disprove a possibility, as we've long since passed the original WMG's topic, which is about Verlaine surviving the story" See above for how it still links to the topic and if you wanna stop, stop. I'm stubborn and bored so I'll fight my corner but I won't chase you down if you want to drop it.
*** No, I'm not trying to "shout down" anyone. I was just presenting a possibility. If anyone is trying to shoot down anything, it's you and you're insistence that it's impossible for Weyland-Yutani to lie and manipulate information they gave to Ripley and present false data to her (despite many examples throughout the films and extended universe material where they've done it), and have clearly been able to do it for not just "recent" information, but for past information too (which you claim is also impossible and avoided answering the question of why you think the information is valid), as well as trying to force your point of view (and before you claim that the EU of Alien has Amanda surviving the events of A:I, keep in mind my original response was before Dark Horse released any of the comic tie-ins and the poorly executed Digital Series was released on Website/YouTube to promote the cellphone game). And I refuse to do my own WMG, because as soon as I post that here, you're just going to be doing the exact same thing there as you are here. And, yes, we've gone far away from the original WMG about Verlaine surviving the story. I'm done responding (as far as I'm concerned, you're probably trolling at this point). If you want to reply again, that's your choice and it's clear you want the last word. If you see me stopping as some personal victory, fine, enjoy your KFADFFAL moment.
*** No victory when you just ignored everything I said to keep punching a strawman. TTFN.

*** All I did was present a possibility: that the company lied about Amanda's real death to Ripley in order to keep Ripley in check (and then stripped her of her license to be a flight officer and then sent her to psychiatric evaluation to make it look like she was nuts and was responsible not just the destruction of the Nostromo, but the deaths of her crew, in case if she tried to tell anyone what really happened. Hell, even the Marines didn't believe her when she told them about the xenomorph until they encountered the xenos themselves). For some reason, to you, it just seems implausible that the company could have lied to Ripley and would have had a very detailed cover story with a plausible explanation as to why Ripley couldn't get in contact with any possible family from the also equally dead husband, and everyone who they could have possibly known being dead in the course of 57 years. But, yet, we've seen the company try to get this organism by planting an android on the Nostromo's crew and then having them haul cargo in the area of LV-426, and leaving an order to Mother and Ash to make sure to bring the creature back to be studied, even at the cost of the lives of the crew. In the game, we see them purchase the space station shortly before sending Amanda off and gave Apollo the same damn order as well (and they probably had a pretty good cover story for when Sevastopol Station was destroyed, too, most likely chalk it up to some sort of hardware failure leading it to fall into the gas giant). It's clear they'll do anything to get their hands on the xenomorph, not caring how many lives they destroy in the process and try to make sure that there's no one in their way to cause problems for them (even feeding Amanda the story that the Nostromo went missing and that it possibly got hit by a rogue comet, in addition to paying for lawyers for when she got in trouble and offered a job to her, as stated in the not-so-great Alien: Isolation - The Digital Series, which you can find on YouTube). So, seeing that the company has been involved in a conspiracy for DECADES to get their hands on the xenomorph, caused so much death and destruction and probably lied about what happened to the Nostromo to all the families of the crew, it seems so impossible to you that the company could have lied to Ripley about how her daughter really died in addition to everything else they put her through. You believe that the information, handed to Ripley by Burke, who flat-out told Ripley that he works for the company, is legit. You clearly believe Burke a reliable source of information, when we find out he's just as corrupt and horrible as the people who gave Mother and Ash those orders years before later on in the film (even trying to get Ripley and Newt face hugged). The company had been involved in a conspiracy for decades wouldn't leave anything to chance. And you believe it's not possible that Weyland-Yutani, which is implied to be a Mega-Corp by the way, doesn't have a way to fake decades worth of digital information with the intention to feed that info to just one person, who they also stripped her flight officer status (which may also have resulted in her not being able to travel down to Earth. Think about it: Ellen remained on Gateway Station when she could easily work at a loading dock on Earth after what happened. There's only two possibilities that make sense as to why she stayed on Gateway Station are as followed: 1. her flight officer listing included being able to freely travel. With it revoked, she may have been put on a no-fly list as a result. 2. She knew for certain she had nothing left on Earth to go down to for). Like I said before, this is all a possibility that I presented, and that is all. That is the purpose of the WMG section of any movie, TV show, video game, comic book, book or any other media presented On TVTropes: to present possibilities. You either think they're possible or that they're not possible. Either way, I'm done explaining to you repeatedly why this possibility exists, considering all the films, other video games and even the Extended Universe material have shown the company to not be trustworthy. Whether to accept the possibility exists or not is your decision. Now, can you please stop desperately trying to disprove a possibility, as we've long since passed the original WMG's topic, which is about Verlaine surviving the story (which seems to be possibly Jossed by the Alien: Isolatin digital series)?

*** No, I'm not trying to "shout down" anyone. I was just presenting a possibility. If anyone is trying to shoot down anything, it's you and you're insistence that it's impossible for Weyland-Yutani to lie and manipulate information they gave to Ripley and present false data to her (despite many examples throughout the films and extended universe material where they've done it), and have clearly been able to do it for not just "recent" information, but for past information too (which you claim is also impossible and avoided answering the question of why you think the information is valid), as well as trying to force your point of view (and before you claim that the EU of Alien has Amanda surviving the events of A:I, keep in mind my original response was before Dark Horse released any of the comic tie-ins and the poorly executed Digital Series was released on YouTube to promote the cellphone game). And I refuse to do my own WMG, because as soon as I post that here, you're just going to be doing the exact same thing there as you are here. And, yes, we've gone far away from the original WMG about Verlaine surviving the story. I'm done responding (as far as I'm concerned, you're probably trolling at this point). If you want to reply again, that's your choice and it's clear you want the last word. If you see me stopping as some personal victory, fine, enjoy your KFADFFAL moment.

* So, basically what was done with ''Film/Aliens''.