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** It is wishful thinking that a gang-raped woman would become pregnant precisely from the one 13 year old boy in the pile.



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** This particular WMG fails to take into account that if there is one goddamn character in this entire ''series'' who would ''not'' betray ''anyone'', let alone Jaime Lannister (at least not wittingly), it's Brienne of Tarth. She may very well be leading him into a trap, but if she is, she doesn't know it and she will be ''pissed'' when she finds out.


* Littlefinger is going to be betrayed by [[spoiler: [[HoistByHisOwnPetard Sansa]]]] for the awful things he has done to her family. Or [[spoiler: Un-Cat]] will kill him in revenge instead.



* Word of God, [[Hodor]]

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* Word of God, [[Hodor]][[WordofGod Hodor]]



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** Or it could just be a case of you can't do math. Tyrion was born in 273, and turned 13 in 286. Lanna is 14(ish) meaning that she is the exact age that Tysha's child would be if Tyrion and Tysha had a child.


** To me, a HeroicSacrifice doesn't really sound fitting for Stannis. It's unclear how much he himself believes in Melisandre's prophecy, but in any case, he appears to be determined to be king, seeing it as both his right and his duty (and rights and duty are things Stannis is obsessed with). So I don't think he would give his life for any cause short of gaining the Iron Throne. On the other hand, this could be his InUniverse CrowningMomentOfAwesome, finally elevating him above Robert and Renly, as that seems to be what he always wanted. Renly has already failed and died, and Robert may have won the throne from Aerys, but only twenty years have passed since then (compare that to the several hundred years the Targaryans have ruled), there are two members of the old ruling family laying claim on the throne right now, and one has already invaded. So Robert probably won't go down in history as that great of a king, especially if the truth about his children is exposed. However, if Stannis manages to delay or even repel the invasion from the north and gives his live in the process, he will be a hero and martyr, and outshine his brothers.

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** To me, a HeroicSacrifice doesn't really sound fitting for Stannis. It's unclear how much he himself believes in Melisandre's prophecy, but in any case, he appears to be determined to be king, seeing it as both his right and his duty (and rights and duty are things Stannis is obsessed with). So I don't think he would give his life for any cause short of gaining the Iron Throne. On the other hand, this could be his InUniverse CrowningMomentOfAwesome, SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, finally elevating him above Robert and Renly, as that seems to be what he always wanted. Renly has already failed and died, and Robert may have won the throne from Aerys, but only twenty years have passed since then (compare that to the several hundred years the Targaryans have ruled), there are two members of the old ruling family laying claim on the throne right now, and one has already invaded. So Robert probably won't go down in history as that great of a king, especially if the truth about his children is exposed. However, if Stannis manages to delay or even repel the invasion from the north and gives his live in the process, he will be a hero and martyr, and outshine his brothers.


She's shown affection for Robert Arryn and knows of Littlefinger's plot to have him killed, so that Sansa's presumable fiancee Harry becomes heir to the Eyrie. Littlefinger has been schooling her in the game of thrones for a while now. It would be a fitting graduation for this apprentice to betray her master, reveal his plot and her identity, and in doing so earn the loyalty of the knighthood of the Vale and Robin as an eventual husband - in effect, taking the Eyrie and Winterfell just as Littlefinger had hoped to. It is also the only likely way for Littlefinger to get his comeuppance, as Sansa (like her mother before her) is the only weak point in Littlefinger's plots and emotional aloofness. The resulting CrowningMomentOfAwesome would also be fitting of Martin. Note that it is possible that Sansa would not plan this act but end up performing it on impulse anyways.

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She's shown affection for Robert Arryn and knows of Littlefinger's plot to have him killed, so that Sansa's presumable fiancee Harry becomes heir to the Eyrie. Littlefinger has been schooling her in the game of thrones for a while now. It would be a fitting graduation for this apprentice to betray her master, reveal his plot and her identity, and in doing so earn the loyalty of the knighthood of the Vale and Robin as an eventual husband - in effect, taking the Eyrie and Winterfell just as Littlefinger had hoped to. It is also the only likely way for Littlefinger to get his comeuppance, as Sansa (like her mother before her) is the only weak point in Littlefinger's plots and emotional aloofness. The resulting CrowningMomentOfAwesome moment would also be fitting of Martin. Note that it is possible that Sansa would not plan this act but end up performing it on impulse anyways.



** To me, a HeroicSacrifice doesn't really sound fitting for Stannis. It's unclear how much he himself believes in Melisandre's prophecy, but in any case, he appears to be determined to be king, seeing it as both his right and his duty (and rights and duty are things Stannis is obsessed with). So I don't think he would give his life for any cause short of gaining the Iron Throne. On the other hand, this could be his in-universe CrowningMomentOfAwesome, finally elevating him above Robert and Renly, as that seems to be what he always wanted. Renly has already failed and died, and Robert may have won the throne from Aerys, but only twenty years have passed since then (compare that to the several hundred years the Targaryans have ruled), there are two members of the old ruling family laying claim on the throne right now, and one has already invaded. So Robert probably won't go down in history as that great of a king, especially if the truth about his children is exposed. However, if Stannis manages to delay or even repel the invasion from the north and gives his live in the process, he will be a hero and martyr, and outshine his brothers.

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** To me, a HeroicSacrifice doesn't really sound fitting for Stannis. It's unclear how much he himself believes in Melisandre's prophecy, but in any case, he appears to be determined to be king, seeing it as both his right and his duty (and rights and duty are things Stannis is obsessed with). So I don't think he would give his life for any cause short of gaining the Iron Throne. On the other hand, this could be his in-universe InUniverse CrowningMomentOfAwesome, finally elevating him above Robert and Renly, as that seems to be what he always wanted. Renly has already failed and died, and Robert may have won the throne from Aerys, but only twenty years have passed since then (compare that to the several hundred years the Targaryans have ruled), there are two members of the old ruling family laying claim on the throne right now, and one has already invaded. So Robert probably won't go down in history as that great of a king, especially if the truth about his children is exposed. However, if Stannis manages to delay or even repel the invasion from the north and gives his live in the process, he will be a hero and martyr, and outshine his brothers.




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\n* Shireen has the ultimative life insurance [[spoiler: apart from her father's orders]]: Patchface, who manages to give Melisandre the creeps, and who is very close to Shireen and would be very unhappy, if something happened to her.



* All Cercei's children were born crowned with gold -- they're golden-haired Lannisters when they should have been raven-haired Baratheons. Actually getting to sit on the Iron Throne itself may not matter to meet the prophecy. Our dear Maggy was telling her to her face she was going to be an incestuous adulator, instead, perhaps.
** In addition: being Lannister-"Baratheon"s -- the odds of being sent of with shrouds of gold would be high, regardless of being rulers. The House colours of Lannister: red and ''gold''. The House colours of Baratheon: black and ''gold''. Spot the common denominator.

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* All Cercei's children were born crowned with gold -- they're golden-haired Lannisters when they should have been raven-haired Baratheons. Actually getting to sit on the Iron Throne itself may not matter to meet the prophecy. Our dear Maggy was telling her Cersei to her face that she was going to be an incestuous adulator, instead, perhaps.
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** In addition: being Lannister-"Baratheon"s -- the odds of being sent of with shrouds of gold would be high, regardless of being rulers. The House colours of Lannister: red and ''gold''. ''gold''(en yellow -- for when you can't go full-on, shiny-shiny gold). The House colours of Baratheon: black and ''gold''.''gold''(en yellow). Spot the common denominator.

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** In addition: being Lannister-"Baratheon"s -- the odds of being sent of with shrouds of gold would be high, regardless of being rulers. The House colours of Lannister: red and ''gold''. The House colours of Baratheon: black and ''gold''. Spot the common denominator.

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* The Daynes are not of Valyrian stock. They have First Men ancestry. Ashara had dark hair.


* No. In his own thoughts Ned remembers her dying and thinks of her as dead. She's not secretly alive.



** Lyanna's age doesn't match. Lyanna would be in her early 30's if she were still alive, Lenore is over 40.

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** Lyanna's age doesn't match. Lyanna would be in her early 30's if she were still alive, Lenore Lemore is over 40.

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** Lyanna's age doesn't match. Lyanna would be in her early 30's if she were still alive, Lenore is over 40.



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* Maybe it was just too painful to have a constant reminder. And if you want to wander off into Creepyville, maybe he didn't want to attract unhealthy attention from Robert. Poor Sansa has enough trouble with Littlefinger's issues, imagine Robert's piled on top!


*** Not everything adds up for either Roose or Bowen et. al. Would Roose (or Ramsey, for that matter) call Val "the wildling princess"? Sure, he could know about her existence from Mance, but the only people we've seen using that term are Stannis' people. And on the other side, would Bowen and the other Brothers know about Reek? I think the letter was written by someone who was at the Wall for a while, and then was with Stannis' forces down the road from Winterfell. Personally, my money is on Ser Justin 'we're all going to die' Massey. Since the WoW chapter shows him being sent off on a mission, the letter could be either a last minute attempt to wrangle up more help for Stannis, or trying to stir up confusion.

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*** Not everything adds up for either Roose or Bowen et. al. Would Roose (or Ramsey, for that matter) call Val "the wildling princess"? Sure, he could know about her existence from Mance, but the only people we've seen using that term are Stannis' people. And on the other side, would Bowen and the other Brothers know about Reek? I think the letter was written by someone who was at the Wall for a while, and then was with Stannis' forces down the road from Winterfell. Personally, my money is on Ser Justin 'we're all going to die' Massey. Since the WoW The tWoW chapter shows him being sent off on a mission, mission that entrusts him with Stannis' money from the Iron Bank. Massey sends the letter could be either a last minute attempt to wrangle up more help for Stannis, or trying to stir up confusion.sow confusion on the battlefield and maybe get Stannis killed. Then he vanishes with the gold.

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***What if the young queen is Margaery, but instead of actively taking action that casts Cersei down and such, she provides the motivation for Cersei to destroy herself? Would that count. Also on the Margaery-as-motivation thing, Cersei loves Joffrey and if Littlefinger is to be believed Olenna killed Joffrey to protect her.

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