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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Hotupa, in an optional side scene, goes to another world to research how to defeat The One King. He finds himself in a futuristic world, where the people arrogantly tell him to go home to his "primitive" world, as their technology will defeat The One King decisively. [[spoiler:This world ends up destroying ''itself'' by trying their technologies, and becomes the DeathWorld known as Rarohenga.]]


A {{Suikoden}} GaidenGame for the DS, ''Suikoden Tierkreis'' is set in a [[AlternateUniverse parallel world]] unconnected to the main series, though it contains many of the familiar themes mixed with the exploration of fate, destiny and free will. [[HelloInsertNameHere Sieg]], an optimistic young warrior from Citro Village whose motto is "You never know until you try!", is out fighting monsters with several of his childhood friends when they witness a [[CosmicRetcon strange occurence]]... that nobody else seems to remember afterwards. However, they also come across the [[MacGuffin Shining Legacy]], a book which seems to help awaken the [[OneHundredAndEight Starbearers]] and the magical abilities known as the Mark of the Stars. Their investigation soon leads them into conflict with [[PathOfInspiration The Order of the One True Way]], a group that preaches that all is decided by fate and everyone's destiny is predetermined.

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A {{Suikoden}} ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'' GaidenGame for the DS, ''Suikoden Tierkreis'' is set in a [[AlternateUniverse parallel world]] unconnected to the main series, though it contains many of the familiar themes mixed with the exploration of fate, destiny and free will. [[HelloInsertNameHere Sieg]], an optimistic young warrior from Citro Village whose motto is "You never know until you try!", is out fighting monsters with several of his childhood friends when they witness a [[CosmicRetcon strange occurence]]... that nobody else seems to remember afterwards. However, they also come across the [[MacGuffin Shining Legacy]], a book which seems to help awaken the [[OneHundredAndEight Starbearers]] and the magical abilities known as the Mark of the Stars. Their investigation soon leads them into conflict with [[PathOfInspiration The Order of the One True Way]], a group that preaches that all is decided by fate and everyone's destiny is predetermined.



** Nomno, who always sleeps even while fighting, is a reminiscent of a certain SuikodenIII character.

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** Nomno, who always sleeps even while fighting, is a reminiscent of a certain SuikodenIII ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'' character.


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!!Suikoden Tierkreis !! ''Suikoden Tierkreis'' provides examples of:
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* ArcWords: "One World, One Future", "The One True Way" and "the Advent of the One King."

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* ArcWords: "One World, One Future", "The One True Way" and "the Advent of the One King."King".



* DarkSkinnedRedhead: Asad

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* DarkSkinnedRedhead: AsadAsad.



* DividedWeFall: The Magedom of Janam

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* %%* DividedWeFall: The Magedom of JanamJanam.



* HotLibrarian: Diadora

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* HotLibrarian: DiadoraDiadora.



* ManipulativeBastard: [[spoiler:Turns out the tension between Danash VIII's wives ''wasn't'' unforeseen...]]

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* %%* ManipulativeBastard: [[spoiler:Turns out the tension between Danash VIII's wives ''wasn't'' unforeseen...]]



* MoneyForNothing: Since you can make money trading goods between towns and [[TakeYourTime there's no time limit on much of anything]], it's trivial to make a ludicrous amount of cash.
** If you feel like getting optimum equipment for all of your LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, even a ludicrous amount of cash can disappear fairly quickly. However, since there are far more characters than you'll ever actually need to use in battle, there's no particular reason to attempt this.

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* MoneyForNothing: Since you can make money trading goods between towns and [[TakeYourTime there's no time limit on much of anything]], it's trivial to make a ludicrous amount of cash. \n** If Howeveer, if you feel like getting optimum equipment for all of your LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, even a ludicrous amount of cash can disappear fairly quickly. However, quickly -- but since there are far more characters than you'll ever actually need to use in battle, there's no particular reason to attempt this.



* OneHundredAndEight: Well, it ''is'' a ''{{Suikoden}}'' game, parallel world or not.
* OneWingedAngel: Characters with Chronicles implanted inside them can turn into hideous, and powerful, monsters.

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* OneHundredAndEight: Well, it ''is'' a ''{{Suikoden}}'' game, parallel world or not.
* OneWingedAngel:
OneWingedAngel:
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Characters with Chronicles implanted inside them can turn into hideous, and powerful, monsters.



* RandomEncounters: Not as bad as SuikodenIV, but still quite annoying.
* RedemptionEqualsDeath: [[spoiler:The entire Magedom of Janam, but particularly Rizwan.]] Also, [[spoiler:Dirk.]]

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%% * RandomEncounters: Not as bad as SuikodenIV, but still quite annoying.
RandomEncounters
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* RedemptionEqualsDeath: RedemptionEqualsDeath:
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[[spoiler:The entire Magedom of Janam, but particularly Rizwan.]] Also, ]]
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[[spoiler:Dirk.]]



* SaveThePrincess: [[spoiler: Played straight with Manaril; {{Subverted}} by Chrodechild, who's just too much of a badass.]]
%%* ScrewDestiny: Sieg's rallying cry.

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%% * SaveThePrincess: [[spoiler: Played SaveThePrincess:
%% ** [[spoiler:Played
straight with Manaril; {{Subverted}} by Chrodechild, who's just too much of a badass.Manaril.]]
%%* %% ** {{Subverted|Trope}} by Chrodechild, who's just too much of a badass.
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ScrewDestiny: Sieg's rallying cry.



* SickeninglySweethearts: Dear God, Darrow and Savina...
* {{Stripperiffic}}: Shairah; Sieg can {{Lampshade}} this at one point.

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* %%* SickeninglySweethearts: Dear God, Darrow and Savina...
Savina.
* {{Stripperiffic}}: {{Stripperiffic}}:
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Shairah; Sieg can {{Lampshade}} this at one point.



** Don't forget Lathilda.
** Marica, [[ZettaiRyouiki to an]] [[SexyBacklessOutfit extent]], also qualifies.
* TakeYourTime: Despite having "season" system, which changes every 30 days, it only affects several characters' recruitment and the appearance of BossInMookClothing in several areas. You can spend as many years as you want without affecting the storyline.

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** Don't forget Lathilda.
** Marica, [[ZettaiRyouiki to an]] [[SexyBacklessOutfit extent]], also qualifies.
what with her ZettaiRyouiki and her SexyBacklessOutfit.
* TakeYourTime: TakeYourTime:
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Despite having "season" system, which changes every 30 days, it only affects several characters' recruitment and the appearance of BossInMookClothing in several areas. You can spend as many years as you want without affecting the storyline.



** [[LampShadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Sieg and when they calculate how much time it takes to fuse in a new world.

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** [[LampShadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Sieg and when they calculate how much time it takes to fuse in a new world.



* TragicMonster: [[spoiler:Dust Sophia. She gets better, though, followed by a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.]]
** During the ending [[spoiler:it is revealed that the One King is a former Tenkai Star who used [[HeroicSacrifice the lives of his allies to kill the previous One King]] (a method that was considered, but rejected by Sieg). Presumably, he continues to destroy worlds in hopes that a Tenkai Star will be able to kill him using another method.]]

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* TragicMonster: [[spoiler:Dust Sophia. She gets better, though, followed by a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.]]
**
During the ending [[spoiler:it is revealed that the One King is a former Tenkai Star who used [[HeroicSacrifice the lives of his allies to kill the previous One King]] (a method that was considered, but rejected by Sieg). Presumably, he continues to destroy worlds in hopes that a Tenkai Star will be able to kill him using another method.]]
%% ** [[spoiler:Dust Sophia. She gets better, though.
]]



* {{Tsundere}}: Roberto, especially because even the [[AllThereInTheManual Character Guide says so]].
** Morrin, too, although considering [[HandsomeLech who her love interest is]], she has every right to be.
** A more "type dere" version is Marica.

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* {{Tsundere}}: {{Tsundere}}:
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Roberto, especially because even the [[AllThereInTheManual Character Guide says so]].
** Morrin, too, although considering [[HandsomeLech who her love interest is]], she has every right to be.
** A more "type dere" version is Marica.



* WarriorPrince: So many...

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* WarriorPrince: So many...%%* WarriorPrince



* WorthyOpponent: Vaslof.

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* %%* WorthyOpponent: Vaslof.



* YouGottaHaveBlueHair: Sphiel, Resno; Taj also has lavender hair.
* ZettaiRyouiki: Marica, Minen.

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* YouGottaHaveBlueHair: Sphiel, Resno; Taj also has lavender hair.
%% ** Sphiel.
%% ** Resno.
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* ZettaiRyouiki: Marica, Minen.
ZettaiRyouiki:
%% ** Maric.
%% ** Minen.


* TheAtoner: Fredegund. Also [[spoiler:the Archivists, particularly Sophia as one of her victory quotes shows]].

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%% * TheAtoner: Fredegund. Also [[spoiler:the TheAtoner:
%% ** Fredegund.
%% ** [[spoiler:The
Archivists, particularly Sophia as one of her victory quotes shows]].


* ActionMom: Selen. ''Definitely'' Selen.
** More or less a force of nature, actually. Which is rather unsurprising, given her nickname...
-->'''Man''': The storm! The storm has returned!

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* ActionMom: Selen. ''Definitely'' Selen.
**
More or less a force of nature, actually. Which is rather unsurprising, given her nickname...
-->'''Man''': -->'''Man:''' The storm! The storm has returned!



* AfterTheEnd: [[spoiler:Most of the world's civilizations consist of the sole survivors of other worlds that were mostly wiped out by the One True King, before being merged with the primary game world. Rarohenga in particular is a twisted wasteland with no noticeable signs of life, even before said merge.]]
** [[spoiler: Rarohenga's state is especially noteworthy, as its twisted wasteland appearance was the product of their efforts to oppose The One King, which backfired so horribly as to actually damage their world's True Chronicle and thus the laws of nature of their world.]]

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* AfterTheEnd: [[spoiler:Most of the world's civilizations consist of the sole survivors of other worlds that were mostly wiped out by the One True King, before being merged with the primary game world. Rarohenga in particular is a twisted wasteland with no noticeable signs of life, even before said merge.]]
** [[spoiler:
Rarohenga's state is especially noteworthy, as its twisted wasteland appearance was the product of their efforts to oppose The One King, which backfired so horribly as to actually damage their world's True Chronicle and thus the laws of nature of their world.]]



-->'''Sieg''': [[spoiler: Do you realize what you've done!? A million people! You wiped away one MILLION people!!!]]
* AndManGrewProud: [[spoiler: The people of Rarohenga had access to incredibly advanced magic and were not only absolutely certain that they could defeat The One King, but that the people of other worlds were too primitive and ignorant to understand them. Observe the above trope to see how well that worked out for them.]]
* AntiVillain: Considering their motives, [[spoiler:Diadora]] qualifies. Ditto for [[spoiler:Nova and Sophia]].

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-->'''Sieg''': [[spoiler: Do -->'''Sieg:''' [[spoiler:Do you realize what you've done!? A million people! You wiped away one MILLION people!!!]]
* AndManGrewProud: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The people of Rarohenga had access to incredibly advanced magic and were not only absolutely certain that they could defeat The One King, but that the people of other worlds were too primitive and ignorant to understand them. Observe the above trope to see how well that worked out for them.]]
%% * AntiVillain: Considering their motives, [[spoiler:Diadora]] qualifies. Ditto for AntiVillain:
%% ** [[spoiler:Diadora.]]
%% **
[[spoiler:Nova and Sophia]].Sophia.]]



* ArcWords: "One World, One Future," "The One True Way," and "the Advent of the One King."

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* ArcWords: "One World, One Future," Future", "The One True Way," Way" and "the Advent of the One King."



* BackFromTheDead: Possibly Zenoa and Ordovic, definitely for Belemuel.

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%% * BackFromTheDead: Possibly BackFromTheDead:
%% **
Zenoa and Ordovic, definitely for Ordovic.
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Belemuel.



* BaldOfAwesome: Zenoa. She learns some of the most devastating spells in the game.
** Also Gadburg and Ouragan. One of the combination attacks (Shining Scalp) is the three of them directing reflected light off of their heads at the enemy.

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* BaldOfAwesome: BaldOfAwesome:
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Zenoa. She learns some of the most devastating spells in the game.
** Also Gadburg and Ouragan. One of the combination attacks (Shining Scalp) is the three two of them and Zenoa directing reflected light off of their heads at the enemy.



* BigEater: Lycia
** Sieg is probably one as well.

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* BigEater: Lycia
** Sieg is probably one as well.
Lycia and Sieg.



* BraggingRightsReward: anything dropped past the PointOfNoReturn, since there's no way to bring it back to the castle.
* BrownNote: Ramin's music makes people angry. He finds enjoyment in "making the low-borns dance."
** Having him as a support character [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration randomly enrages your party in battles]].
* ButtMonkey: Poor Yovel.

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* BraggingRightsReward: anything Anything dropped past the PointOfNoReturn, since there's no way to bring it back to the castle.
* BrownNote: Ramin's music makes people angry. He finds enjoyment in "making the low-borns dance."
**
dance". Having him as a support character [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration randomly enrages your party in battles]].
* %%* ButtMonkey: Poor Yovel.



%%* ChildhoodFriendRomance: Len-Lien and Liu.



* DeadpanSnarker: Zenoa
* DeathByNewberyMedal: [[spoiler: Cougar]]

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* DeadpanSnarker: Zenoa
*
Zenoa.
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DeathByNewberyMedal: [[spoiler: Cougar]][[spoiler:Cougar.]]



* [[DemonicPossession Divine Possession]]: Priestess Neira's body is taken by Sea God Ninulneda on several occasions, complete with the background music change.

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* [[DemonicPossession Divine Possession]]: DemonicPossession: Priestess Neira's body is taken by Sea God Ninulneda on several occasions, complete with the background music change.



* {{Expy}}: Roberto may remind ''Suikoden'' fans of the way Flik acted in the [[SuikodenI first game]]...
** And Nomno, who always sleeps even while fighting, is a reminiscent of a certain SuikodenIII character.
** Does Erin remind you of [[SuikodenV Luserina]] [[SilkHidingSteel Barows]]?
* FaceHeelTurn: [[spoiler: Oh, Dirk...]]

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* {{Expy}}: {{Expy}}:
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Roberto may remind ''Suikoden'' fans of the way Flik acted in the [[SuikodenI [[VideoGame/SuikodenI first game]]...
** And Nomno, who always sleeps even while fighting, is a reminiscent of a certain SuikodenIII character.
** Does Erin remind you of [[SuikodenV Luserina]] [[SilkHidingSteel Barows]]?
*
Luserina Barows]] from ''Suikoden V''?
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FaceHeelTurn: [[spoiler: Oh, Dirk...[[Dirk.]]



* HandsomeLech: Icas
* HeelFaceTurn: Fairly common in the series, this game being no exception. Most notably [[spoiler: Diadora, Sophia and Nova]]

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* HandsomeLech: Icas
Icas.
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* HeelFaceTurn: Fairly common in the series, this game being no exception. Most notably [[spoiler: Diadora, Sophia and Nova]]HeelFaceTurn:
%% ** [[spoiler:Diadora.]]
%% ** [[spoiler:Sophia.]]
%% ** [[spoiler:Nova.]]



* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Minen.

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* %%* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Minen.



* LargeHam

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* LargeHamLargeHam:



** Also, Ninulneda is not the most... subtle... of deities. The background music even gets in on it, changing to a heavy, dramatic theme whenever she's onscreen, even if all she's doing is [[MundaneMadeAwesome yelling at Numnu]].

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** Also, Ninulneda is not the most... subtle... of deities. The background music even gets in on it, changing to a heavy, dramatic theme whenever she's onscreen, even if all she's doing is [[MundaneMadeAwesome yelling at Numnu]].



* LostForever:...unfortunately, between half and one third of them cannot be recruited after certain story events. The conditions range from fairly obvious (Such as the Janamites after [[spoiler:the Magedom is desertified]]) to hair-ripping levels of GuideDangIt.



* MadScientist: Zahra and Khemia.
* ManipulativeBastard: [[spoiler: Turns out the tension between Danash VIII's wives ''wasn't'' unforeseen...]]

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* %%* MadScientist: Zahra and Khemia.
* ManipulativeBastard: [[spoiler: Turns [[spoiler:Turns out the tension between Danash VIII's wives ''wasn't'' unforeseen...]]



* {{Meganekko}}: 'Moana the Matchmaker'

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* {{Meganekko}}: {{Meganekko}}:
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'Moana the Matchmaker'Matchmaker'.



* TheNapoleon: Hina.

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* %%* TheNapoleon: Hina.



* NonStandardGameOver: The bad ending.

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* %%* NonStandardGameOver: The bad ending.



* PermanentlyMissableContent: Unfortunately, between half and one third of the 108 characters cannot be recruited after certain story events. The conditions range from fairly obvious (such as the Janamites after [[spoiler:the Magedom is desertified]]) to hair-ripping levels of GuideDangIt.



* RagtagBunchOfMisfits: And how.
** Sieg even lampshades this after recruiting Mourgent, where he notes that people he meets from time to time gets weirder.
** Lampshaded again in another sidequest, where a group of Order soldiers calls the group a "pack of mongrels" and [[InsultBackfire Sieg cheerfully agrees]].

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* RagtagBunchOfMisfits: And how.
**
Sieg even lampshades this after recruiting Mourgent, where he notes that people he meets from time to time gets weirder.
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weirder. Lampshaded again in another sidequest, where a group of Order soldiers calls the group a "pack of mongrels" and [[InsultBackfire Sieg cheerfully agrees]].



* ScrewDestiny: Sieg's rallying cry.

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* %%* ScrewDestiny: Sieg's rallying cry.



* VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Len-Lien and Liu.


* SaveThePrincess: [[spoiler: Played straight with Manaril; {{Subverted}} by Chrodechild, who's just too much of a BadAss.]]

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* SaveThePrincess: [[spoiler: Played straight with Manaril; {{Subverted}} by Chrodechild, who's just too much of a BadAss.badass.]]


* HoYay: There's a lot for every subculture!
** To elaborate, there's Roberto's {{Tsundere}} tendencies, usually reserved for the main character, Jale's unquestioning loyalty and affection, also towards the main character, and Chrodechild and Fredegund's really, really close sisterly relationship, which is even [[LampShadeHanging mentioned]] by Asad.
** No mention of Sieg and Atrie? I'm surprised.
** No mention of Shams and Taj? Both are friendly loyal to each other, risking life and limb. Shams does his best to keep Taj happy [[spoiler:He goes so far as to order Taj not to touch a chronicle in case he becomes a starbearer because he wants to spare Taj the pain of knowing what happened to the Magedom. Taj, of course, isn't having of it, and manages to convince his prince to let him. They have several moments where you can tell that if it was fully animated instead of sprites there would be hugging.]]


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* ActionMom - Selen. ''Definitely'' Selen.

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* ActionMom - ActionMom: Selen. ''Definitely'' Selen.



* [[spoiler: AfterTheEnd: Most of the world's civilizations consist of the sole survivors of other worlds that were mostly wiped out by the One True King, before being merged with the primary game world. Rarohenga in particular is a twisted wasteland with no noticeable signs of life, even before said merge.]]

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* [[spoiler: AfterTheEnd: Most [[spoiler:Most of the world's civilizations consist of the sole survivors of other worlds that were mostly wiped out by the One True King, before being merged with the primary game world. Rarohenga in particular is a twisted wasteland with no noticeable signs of life, even before said merge.]]



* [[spoiler: AMillionIsAStatistic: Averted when the Magedom of Janam and its citizens are erased by the Order.]]

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* [[spoiler: AMillionIsAStatistic: Averted [[spoiler:Averted when the Magedom of Janam and its citizens are erased by the Order.]]



* AntiVillain - Considering their motives, [[spoiler:Diadora]] qualifies. Ditto for [[spoiler:Nova and Sophia]].
* ArcherArchetype - Marica fits the bill with a cool personality, and her default weapon is a bow. However, she subverts the trope of the bow being a dainty weapon in that she can also wield the bulkiest weapons in the game. The ''hero'' can't handle some of those things. Her stats clearly shows where her strengths lie, however.
* ArcWords - "One World, One Future," "The One True Way," and "the Advent of the One King."
* TheAtoner - Fredegund. Also [[spoiler:the Archivists, particularly Sophia as one of her victory quotes shows]].
* BackFromTheDead - Possibly Zenoa and Ordovic, definitely for Belemuel.
* BaldBlackLeaderGuy - Danash VIII isn't ''entirely'' bald, but his [[{{Polyamory}} multiple wives]] don't seem to think it hurts his masculinity any...
* BaldOfAwesome - Zenoa. She learns some of the most devastating spells in the game.

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* AntiVillain - AntiVillain: Considering their motives, [[spoiler:Diadora]] qualifies. Ditto for [[spoiler:Nova and Sophia]].
* ArcherArchetype - ArcherArchetype: Marica fits the bill with a cool personality, and her default weapon is a bow. However, she subverts the trope of the bow being a dainty weapon in that she can also wield the bulkiest weapons in the game. The ''hero'' can't handle some of those things. Her stats clearly shows where her strengths lie, however.
* ArcWords - ArcWords: "One World, One Future," "The One True Way," and "the Advent of the One King."
* TheAtoner - TheAtoner: Fredegund. Also [[spoiler:the Archivists, particularly Sophia as one of her victory quotes shows]].
* BackFromTheDead - BackFromTheDead: Possibly Zenoa and Ordovic, definitely for Belemuel.
* BaldBlackLeaderGuy - BaldBlackLeaderGuy: Danash VIII isn't ''entirely'' bald, but his [[{{Polyamory}} multiple wives]] don't seem to think it hurts his masculinity any...
* BaldOfAwesome - BaldOfAwesome: Zenoa. She learns some of the most devastating spells in the game.



* BattleBoomerang - Various characters including the hero can use a boomerang as their weapon. Certain characters like Nemne and Taj start off with one already equipped.
* BattleCouple - Vaslof and Resno are married. There's also [[SickeninglySweethearts Darrow and Savina]], Len Lien and Liu, Bosche and Lathilda, Diulf and Savillah, and Megion and Eusmil. Sieg and Marica may also count, though their relationship is never explicitly shown as being romantic.
* BecauseDestinySaysSo - So says The Order of the One True Way.
* {{BFS}} - One of the weapon types available is Greatsword.
* BigEater - Lycia

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* BattleBoomerang - BattleBoomerang: Various characters including the hero can use a boomerang as their weapon. Certain characters like Nemne and Taj start off with one already equipped.
* BattleCouple - BattleCouple: Vaslof and Resno are married. There's also [[SickeninglySweethearts Darrow and Savina]], Len Lien and Liu, Bosche and Lathilda, Diulf and Savillah, and Megion and Eusmil. Sieg and Marica may also count, though their relationship is never explicitly shown as being romantic.
* BecauseDestinySaysSo - BecauseDestinySaysSo: So says The Order of the One True Way.
* {{BFS}} - {{BFS}}: One of the weapon types available is Greatsword.
* BigEater - BigEater: Lycia



* BishieSparkle - The traditional cooperative attacks "Fancy Lads" (Asad, Meruvis, Icas) and "Pretty Boys" (Shams, Roberto, Yovel) dazzle enemies with gratuitous amounts of bishie sparkles.
* BitchInSheepsClothing - Numnu of Porpos-kin may seem cute and friendly, but he also has no qualms to put two groups into a fight when he is bored. PlayedForLaughs most of the time.
* BlackSwordsAreBetter - The Blades of Night's Veil are famous for it.
* BossInMookClothing - At least one in every area. They sometimes drop trading items, but the experience points given aren't that big. (Save for one in an optional area halfway through the game, which can boost your level into 50 in several fights...if you manage to pull through. Doing this to all your characters effectively counts as DiscOneNuke, as most of the enemies you face at the point in the story where the enemy becomes available is geared towards level 30 characters.)

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* BishieSparkle - BishieSparkle: The traditional cooperative attacks "Fancy Lads" (Asad, Meruvis, Icas) and "Pretty Boys" (Shams, Roberto, Yovel) dazzle enemies with gratuitous amounts of bishie sparkles.
* BitchInSheepsClothing - BitchInSheepsClothing: Numnu of Porpos-kin may seem cute and friendly, but he also has no qualms to put two groups into a fight when he is bored. PlayedForLaughs most of the time.
* BlackSwordsAreBetter - BlackSwordsAreBetter: The Blades of Night's Veil are famous for it.
* BossInMookClothing - BossInMookClothing: At least one in every area. They sometimes drop trading items, but the experience points given aren't that big. (Save for one in an optional area halfway through the game, which can boost your level into 50 in several fights...if you manage to pull through. Doing this to all your characters effectively counts as DiscOneNuke, as most of the enemies you face at the point in the story where the enemy becomes available is geared towards level 30 characters.)



* BrownNote - Ramin's music makes people angry. He finds enjoyment in "making the low-borns dance."

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* BrownNote - BrownNote: Ramin's music makes people angry. He finds enjoyment in "making the low-borns dance."



* ButtMonkey - Poor Yovel.
* CasanovaWannabe - Icas won't join your party unless you send a group of pretty girls to recruit him. He'll continue to hit on anyone and anything with two X chromosomes whenever you talk to him.
* [[spoiler: CassandraTruth - Starbearers get to remember the [[CosmicRetcon world changing]]. Trying to explain these changes to ''others'' is difficult to pull off without sounding insane.]]

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* ButtMonkey - ButtMonkey: Poor Yovel.
* CasanovaWannabe - CasanovaWannabe: Icas won't join your party unless you send a group of pretty girls to recruit him. He'll continue to hit on anyone and anything with two X chromosomes whenever you talk to him.
* [[spoiler: CassandraTruth - Starbearers CassandraTruth: [[spoiler:Starbearers get to remember the [[CosmicRetcon world changing]]. Trying to explain these changes to ''others'' is difficult to pull off without sounding insane.]]



* CharacterDevelopment - Plenty; one notable case is Sieg himself, as he comes to terms with the sheer ''scope'' of what he faces...
* CherryTapping - Averted. Even if you CAN take what the HopelessBossFight is dishing out, the fight will end after a few rounds. Even if you were, by all rights, beating the boss, the game still says you got your ass kicked.
* ChessMotifs - the robotic enemies that start appearing after your HopelessBossFight with Valfred at Rarohenga are all named after chess pieces, and they all are minions of the One ''King''...
* ClingyJealousGirl - Maybelle, who also overlaps with the trope below. Morrin's probably this too, but she's got [[HandsomeLech every right to be one]].
* CloudCuckoolander - Due to the way recruiting the 108 Stars works, a lot of them can come across as this to "normal" people, at least until they're actually recruited. Special mention goes to Sphiel, who keeps trying to feed people snow. By throwing it at them.
* CombatMedic - Several, the earliest example is Marica. Among the original group, Sieg and Liu can take up this role a the end of the game.
* TheComputerIsACheatingBastard - Did you actually manage to reduce the enemies in that HopelessBossFight to 1 HP? Congrats, now all your attacks will deal 0 damage to ensure you still lose.
* CrutchCharacter - Dirk starts out several levels higher than the rest of the party, but gets overshadowed ''quick''. [[GuestStarPartyMember Other Marica]] also qualifies to a degree, since she comes in with four Marks and slightly better equipment than you can get at that point.
* CutenessProximity - The normally composed Felecca goes nuts over [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter Ridiculously Cute Critters]] such as the Porpos-kin and the {{Moe}} Manaril.
* DarkSkinnedBlond - Many, ''many'' examples: Rizwan, Kureyah, Shams, Nakil...
* DarkSkinnedRedhead - Asad
* DeadpanSnarker - Zenoa
* DeathByNewberyMedal - [[spoiler: Cougar]]
* DefectorFromDecadence - More than a few Starbearers used to be members of the Order of the One True Way, though the 'decadence' aspect of this is... subjective.
* [[DemonicPossession Divine Possession]] - Priestess Neira's body is taken by Sea God Ninulneda on several occasions, complete with the background music change.
* DividedWeFall - The Magedom of Janam
* DualBoss - Fergus and Conon, Sophia and Nova, Vaslof and Resno.
* DuelBoss - Several, most notably Selen (fought with Jale) and [[spoiler:Dirk]], fought with Sieg.
* AnEconomyIsYou - Averted. Trade goods exist, like cloth, food, and the like.
* {{Expy}} - Roberto may remind ''Suikoden'' fans of the way Flik acted in the [[SuikodenI first game]]...

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* CharacterDevelopment - CharacterDevelopment: Plenty; one notable case is Sieg himself, as he comes to terms with the sheer ''scope'' of what he faces...
* CherryTapping - CherryTapping: Averted. Even if you CAN take what the HopelessBossFight is dishing out, the fight will end after a few rounds. Even if you were, by all rights, beating the boss, the game still says you got your ass kicked.
* ChessMotifs - ChessMotifs: the robotic enemies that start appearing after your HopelessBossFight with Valfred at Rarohenga are all named after chess pieces, and they all are minions of the One ''King''...
* ClingyJealousGirl - ClingyJealousGirl: Maybelle, who also overlaps with the trope below. Morrin's probably this too, but she's got [[HandsomeLech every right to be one]].
* CloudCuckoolander - CloudCuckoolander: Due to the way recruiting the 108 Stars works, a lot of them can come across as this to "normal" people, at least until they're actually recruited. Special mention goes to Sphiel, who keeps trying to feed people snow. By throwing it at them.
* CombatMedic - CombatMedic: Several, the earliest example is Marica. Among the original group, Sieg and Liu can take up this role a the end of the game.
* TheComputerIsACheatingBastard - TheComputerIsACheatingBastard: Did you actually manage to reduce the enemies in that HopelessBossFight to 1 HP? Congrats, now all your attacks will deal 0 damage to ensure you still lose.
* CrutchCharacter - CrutchCharacter: Dirk starts out several levels higher than the rest of the party, but gets overshadowed ''quick''. [[GuestStarPartyMember Other Marica]] also qualifies to a degree, since she comes in with four Marks and slightly better equipment than you can get at that point.
* CutenessProximity - CutenessProximity: The normally composed Felecca goes nuts over [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter Ridiculously Cute Critters]] such as the Porpos-kin and the {{Moe}} Manaril.
* DarkSkinnedBlond - DarkSkinnedBlond: Many, ''many'' examples: Rizwan, Kureyah, Shams, Nakil...
* DarkSkinnedRedhead - DarkSkinnedRedhead: Asad
* DeadpanSnarker - DeadpanSnarker: Zenoa
* DeathByNewberyMedal - DeathByNewberyMedal: [[spoiler: Cougar]]
* DefectorFromDecadence - DefectorFromDecadence: More than a few Starbearers used to be members of the Order of the One True Way, though the 'decadence' aspect of this is... subjective.
* [[DemonicPossession Divine Possession]] - Possession]]: Priestess Neira's body is taken by Sea God Ninulneda on several occasions, complete with the background music change.
* DividedWeFall - DividedWeFall: The Magedom of Janam
* DualBoss - DualBoss: Fergus and Conon, Sophia and Nova, Vaslof and Resno.
* DuelBoss - DuelBoss: Several, most notably Selen (fought with Jale) and [[spoiler:Dirk]], fought with Sieg.
* AnEconomyIsYou - AnEconomyIsYou: Averted. Trade goods exist, like cloth, food, and the like.
* {{Expy}} - {{Expy}}: Roberto may remind ''Suikoden'' fans of the way Flik acted in the [[SuikodenI first game]]...



* FaceHeelTurn - [[spoiler: Oh, Dirk...]]
* FigureItOutYourself - Like Luc and Zerase before her, Zenoa just loves being a condescending {{Jerkass}} towards those who don't already share her 'vast knowledge'.
* FishPeople - The Porpos-kin, darling little anthropomorphic dolphins which provide the customary 'five Stars with ThemeNaming'.
* GameplayAndStorySegregation - Yula. During her recruitment scene, it is said that her skill is on par with Chrodechild. StatisticallySpeaking, however...
* GoldfishPoopGang - The Archivists, especially Fergus and Conon. They're pretty evil and seriously dangerous the first few times you meet them, however.
* [[spoiler:GroundhogDayLoop - In the One King's world, each individual repeats the best day on his/her life for eternity.]]
* GuideDangIt - Have fun recruiting all of the Starbearers without one.
* HandsomeLech - Icas
* HeelFaceTurn - Fairly common in the series, this game being no exception. Most notably [[spoiler: Diadora, Sophia and Nova]]
* HelloInsertNameHere - Sieg, which can be funny if you change his name to Guy or Gai, as that's what the voiceovers use to substitute his name.
* HelloNurse - Eunice, Zahra's long-suffering assistant.
* HeroicSacrifice - [[spoiler: It is actually possible to try the method of using all of the stars at once to defeat the One King, and when you suggest it everyone seems to be mostly alright with it as long as it means they can save the world. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters It doesn't really work like they hoped.]]]]
* HopelessBossFight - Too many to count. Suffice to say, if your attacks are only doing double digit damage and they normally do triple digits, don't bother using any items. A number of the {{DualBoss}} fights are this way.
* HotBlooded - Sieg, Asad, and arguably Otherworld Marica. Normal Marica can also be like this sometimes, especially towards Sieg.
* HotLibrarian - Diadora
* HoYay - There's a lot for every subculture!

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* FaceHeelTurn - FaceHeelTurn: [[spoiler: Oh, Dirk...]]
* FigureItOutYourself - FigureItOutYourself: Like Luc and Zerase before her, Zenoa just loves being a condescending {{Jerkass}} towards those who don't already share her 'vast knowledge'.
* FishPeople - FishPeople: The Porpos-kin, darling little anthropomorphic dolphins which provide the customary 'five Stars with ThemeNaming'.
* GameplayAndStorySegregation - GameplayAndStorySegregation: Yula. During her recruitment scene, it is said that her skill is on par with Chrodechild. StatisticallySpeaking, however...
* GoldfishPoopGang - GoldfishPoopGang: The Archivists, especially Fergus and Conon. They're pretty evil and seriously dangerous the first few times you meet them, however.
* [[spoiler:GroundhogDayLoop - In GroundhogDayLoop: [[spoiler:In the One King's world, each individual repeats the best day on his/her life for eternity.]]
* GuideDangIt - GuideDangIt: Have fun recruiting all of the Starbearers without one.
* HandsomeLech - HandsomeLech: Icas
* HeelFaceTurn - HeelFaceTurn: Fairly common in the series, this game being no exception. Most notably [[spoiler: Diadora, Sophia and Nova]]
* HelloInsertNameHere - HelloInsertNameHere: Sieg, which can be funny if you change his name to Guy or Gai, as that's what the voiceovers use to substitute his name.
* HelloNurse - HelloNurse: Eunice, Zahra's long-suffering assistant.
* HeroicSacrifice - HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler: It is actually possible to try the method of using all of the stars at once to defeat the One King, and when you suggest it everyone seems to be mostly alright with it as long as it means they can save the world. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters It doesn't really work like they hoped.]]]]
* HopelessBossFight - HopelessBossFight: Too many to count. Suffice to say, if your attacks are only doing double digit damage and they normally do triple digits, don't bother using any items. A number of the {{DualBoss}} fights are this way.
* HotBlooded - HotBlooded: Sieg, Asad, and arguably Otherworld Marica. Normal Marica can also be like this sometimes, especially towards Sieg.
* HotLibrarian - HotLibrarian: Diadora
* HoYay - HoYay: There's a lot for every subculture!



* HumansAreTheRealMonsters - Thanks to the Order's actions, the Porpos-kin (and later, the Furious Roar) perceived humans in this way early on. Before Sieg patched things up for them, of course.
* AnIcePerson - Sphiel, being the Snow Fairy, is a literal example.
* IdiotBall - When [[spoiler:a {{Face Heel Turn}}ed Dirk]] shows up and tells [[spoiler:the Furious Roar]] that the heroes were helping him steal their Chronicle (not true), the hero apparently becomes incapable of articulating any sort of explanation, since your only dialogue options are "He... is not my enemy" and VisibleSilence. This, naturally, results in them thinking you're conspiring with the Order and you get kicked out of town. Sieg, we know it's hard to accept that [[spoiler:your BigBrotherMentor turned on you]], but come ''on''.
* InNameOnly - This installment is no more Suikoden than a regular JRPG. It is basically an old regular plain JRPG marketed as Suikoden game.
* InsaneTrollLogic - The Order alternates between "it's predestined, so we shouldn't do anything" and "it's predestined, so we have to do something" depending on what's convenient for the leadership at the time. The result is... less than internally consistent.

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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters - HumansAreTheRealMonsters: Thanks to the Order's actions, the Porpos-kin (and later, the Furious Roar) perceived humans in this way early on. Before Sieg patched things up for them, of course.
* AnIcePerson - AnIcePerson: Sphiel, being the Snow Fairy, is a literal example.
* IdiotBall - IdiotBall: When [[spoiler:a {{Face Heel Turn}}ed Dirk]] shows up and tells [[spoiler:the Furious Roar]] that the heroes were helping him steal their Chronicle (not true), the hero apparently becomes incapable of articulating any sort of explanation, since your only dialogue options are "He... is not my enemy" and VisibleSilence. This, naturally, results in them thinking you're conspiring with the Order and you get kicked out of town. Sieg, we know it's hard to accept that [[spoiler:your BigBrotherMentor turned on you]], but come ''on''.
* InNameOnly - InNameOnly: This installment is no more Suikoden than a regular JRPG. It is basically an old regular plain JRPG marketed as Suikoden game.
* InsaneTrollLogic - InsaneTrollLogic: The Order alternates between "it's predestined, so we shouldn't do anything" and "it's predestined, so we have to do something" depending on what's convenient for the leadership at the time. The result is... less than internally consistent.



* JerkassFacade - Rizwan. [[spoiler:While it is hard to forgive her abusive treatment toward Manaril, it becomes slightly more understandable when the player learns the truth behind the tension among Danash VIII's wives. Her last moments show that she cared for her daughter all along.]]

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* JerkassFacade - JerkassFacade: Rizwan. [[spoiler:While it is hard to forgive her abusive treatment toward Manaril, it becomes slightly more understandable when the player learns the truth behind the tension among Danash VIII's wives. Her last moments show that she cared for her daughter all along.]]



* KillItWithWater - Unlike previous ''Suikoden'' games, water spells are treated differently from ice spells. [[spoiler:Have fun cleaning up Fort Arc during its second siege without somebody with water-based spells (or a certain physical skill).]]
* TheKlutz - If you talk to Selen when [[spoiler:you returned to the castle after thrown into Ravine of Infinity by Diadora]], it is revealed that Jale temporarily became one [[spoiler:while Sieg, Liu, and Chrodechild went missing]].
* LadyOfWar - Chrodechild and her sister Fredegund.

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* KillItWithWater - KillItWithWater: Unlike previous ''Suikoden'' games, water spells are treated differently from ice spells. [[spoiler:Have fun cleaning up Fort Arc during its second siege without somebody with water-based spells (or a certain physical skill).]]
* TheKlutz - TheKlutz: If you talk to Selen when [[spoiler:you returned to the castle after thrown into Ravine of Infinity by Diadora]], it is revealed that Jale temporarily became one [[spoiler:while Sieg, Liu, and Chrodechild went missing]].
* LadyOfWar - LadyOfWar: Chrodechild and her sister Fredegund.



* LikeASonToMe - Sieg and his friends to Elder Rajim. And later, [[spoiler:Atrie to the man who is heavily hinted to be Sieg's father]].
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters - With 108 characters to recruit, how could there not be?
* LostForever - ...unfortunately, between half and one third of them cannot be recruited after certain story events. The conditions range from fairly obvious (Such as the Janamites after [[spoiler:the Magedom is desertified]]) to hair-ripping levels of GuideDangIt.
* LoveMakesYouEvil - [[spoiler:Possibly what drives Valfred's actions in the first place, since his family was erased in a world fusion that occurred a long time ago.]]
* LuckStat - Some of the quests require high Luck stat to succeed.

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* LikeASonToMe - LikeASonToMe: Sieg and his friends to Elder Rajim. And later, [[spoiler:Atrie to the man who is heavily hinted to be Sieg's father]].
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters - LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: With 108 characters to recruit, how could there not be?
* LostForever - ...LostForever:...unfortunately, between half and one third of them cannot be recruited after certain story events. The conditions range from fairly obvious (Such as the Janamites after [[spoiler:the Magedom is desertified]]) to hair-ripping levels of GuideDangIt.
* LoveMakesYouEvil - LoveMakesYouEvil: [[spoiler:Possibly what drives Valfred's actions in the first place, since his family was erased in a world fusion that occurred a long time ago.]]
* LuckStat - LuckStat: Some of the quests require high Luck stat to succeed.



* ManipulativeBastard - [[spoiler: Turns out the tension between Danash VIII's wives ''wasn't'' unforeseen...]]
* MarryThemAll - Invoked by Danash VIII, and {{Deconstructed}}; to say there's ''tension'' between his wives would be putting it quite mildly...thouhg that's exactly what he wants.
* {{Meganekko}} - 'Moana the Matchmaker'

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* ManipulativeBastard - ManipulativeBastard: [[spoiler: Turns out the tension between Danash VIII's wives ''wasn't'' unforeseen...]]
* MarryThemAll - MarryThemAll: Invoked by Danash VIII, and {{Deconstructed}}; to say there's ''tension'' between his wives would be putting it quite mildly...thouhg that's exactly what he wants.
* {{Meganekko}} - {{Meganekko}}: 'Moana the Matchmaker'



* MoneyForNothing - Since you can make money trading goods between towns and [[TakeYourTime there's no time limit on much of anything]], it's trivial to make a ludicrous amount of cash.

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* MoneyForNothing - MoneyForNothing: Since you can make money trading goods between towns and [[TakeYourTime there's no time limit on much of anything]], it's trivial to make a ludicrous amount of cash.



* MoneySpider - Averted. You'll sometimes get [[VendorTrash trade goods]] from enemies, but they rarely drop money. Your primary source of cash is buying trade goods for cheap in one town and selling them for more money in another.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate - Zahra, a talented physician... who openly wishes for his patients to suffer worse injuries and more exotic diseases, and regularly asks to dissect defeated enemies. Played with near the end of the game, where he realized that it's actually perfectly fine to dissect the Rarohenga enemies when he starts correcting himself as usual.
* MountainMan - Dogha, a gruff loner who lives in tune with the Ch'ouli Mountains. [[spoiler: That is, until a CosmicRetcon wipes most of them off the map, setting up a TearJerker moment between him and his self-proclaimed apprentice later on.]]
* MotorMouth - Sieg in the English dub, there's even [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rNCbEtB1YU a video about it.]]
* MultipleEndings - Getting all 108 Starbearers will get you an extra scene in the ending. There's also a different ending if you decide to [[spoiler: sacrifice your friends to take out the One King.]]
* MysteriousWaif - Manaril, who's also a bit of a OracularUrchin.
* MythologyGag - [[AlternateContinuity Parallel world]] or not, ''Tierkreis'' makes ''lots'' of references to the main series. Such as the suggestions offered when you're naming your company...
* TheNapoleon - Hina
* NiceHat - There are too many nice hats to list.
* TheNicknamer - Sieg, perhaps {{Lampshading}} the LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters aspect.
* NoIndoorVoice - Gorno. Sieg lampshades this during a quest.
* NonStandardGameOver - The bad ending.
* NoPronunciationGuide - Causes an InconsistentDub: how ''do'' you pronounce some of those names? Some are just unintuitive ("Rizwan" is pronounced "Lizlan," apparently) but others are all over the place (Kureyah is ''sometimes'' pronounced "Claire," and Shairah/Shailah practically alternates every time she's mentioned).
* NoSenseOfPersonalSpace - Tsaubern, apparently.
* ObliviousToLove - Chrodechild. Poor Asad. There may still be hope, however.

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* MoneySpider - MoneySpider: Averted. You'll sometimes get [[VendorTrash trade goods]] from enemies, but they rarely drop money. Your primary source of cash is buying trade goods for cheap in one town and selling them for more money in another.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate - MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: Zahra, a talented physician... who openly wishes for his patients to suffer worse injuries and more exotic diseases, and regularly asks to dissect defeated enemies. Played with near the end of the game, where he realized that it's actually perfectly fine to dissect the Rarohenga enemies when he starts correcting himself as usual.
* MountainMan - MountainMan: Dogha, a gruff loner who lives in tune with the Ch'ouli Mountains. [[spoiler: That is, until a CosmicRetcon wipes most of them off the map, setting up a TearJerker moment between him and his self-proclaimed apprentice later on.]]
* MotorMouth - MotorMouth: Sieg in the English dub, there's even [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rNCbEtB1YU a video about it.]]
* MultipleEndings - MultipleEndings: Getting all 108 Starbearers will get you an extra scene in the ending. There's also a different ending if you decide to [[spoiler: sacrifice your friends to take out the One King.]]
* MysteriousWaif - MysteriousWaif: Manaril, who's also a bit of a OracularUrchin.
* MythologyGag - MythologyGag: [[AlternateContinuity Parallel world]] or not, ''Tierkreis'' makes ''lots'' of references to the main series. Such as the suggestions offered when you're naming your company...
* TheNapoleon - Hina
TheNapoleon: Hina.
* NiceHat - NiceHat: There are too many nice hats to list.
* TheNicknamer - TheNicknamer: Sieg, perhaps {{Lampshading}} the LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters aspect.
* NoIndoorVoice - NoIndoorVoice: Gorno. Sieg lampshades this during a quest.
* NonStandardGameOver - NonStandardGameOver: The bad ending.
* NoPronunciationGuide - NoPronunciationGuide: Causes an InconsistentDub: how ''do'' you pronounce some of those names? Some are just unintuitive ("Rizwan" is pronounced "Lizlan," apparently) but others are all over the place (Kureyah is ''sometimes'' pronounced "Claire," and Shairah/Shailah practically alternates every time she's mentioned).
* NoSenseOfPersonalSpace - NoSenseOfPersonalSpace: Tsaubern, apparently.
* ObliviousToLove - ObliviousToLove: Chrodechild. Poor Asad. There may still be hope, however.



* OlderThanTheyLook - Hina, due to [[TheNapoleon her height]].
* OneHundredAndEight - Well, it ''is'' a ''{{Suikoden}}'' game, parallel world or not.
* OneWingedAngel - Characters with Chronicles implanted inside them can turn into hideous, and powerful, monsters.

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* OlderThanTheyLook - OlderThanTheyLook: Hina, due to [[TheNapoleon her height]].
* OneHundredAndEight - OneHundredAndEight: Well, it ''is'' a ''{{Suikoden}}'' game, parallel world or not.
* OneWingedAngel - OneWingedAngel: Characters with Chronicles implanted inside them can turn into hideous, and powerful, monsters.



* ParentalSubstitute - Mubal can be seen as one for Manaril.
* PathOfInspiration - The Order of the One True Way.
* PlotCouponThatDoesSomething - The Chronicles are {{MacGuffin}}s most of the time, but they also give all your characters new abilities.

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* ParentalSubstitute - ParentalSubstitute: Mubal can be seen as one for Manaril.
* PathOfInspiration - PathOfInspiration: The Order of the One True Way.
* PlotCouponThatDoesSomething - PlotCouponThatDoesSomething: The Chronicles are {{MacGuffin}}s most of the time, but they also give all your characters new abilities.



* ProudWarriorRace - The Auster-folk and the Furious Roar.
* RagtagBunchOfMisfits - And how.

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* ProudWarriorRace - ProudWarriorRace: The Auster-folk and the Furious Roar.
* RagtagBunchOfMisfits - RagtagBunchOfMisfits: And how.



* RandomEncounters - Not as bad as SuikodenIV, but still quite annoying.
* RedemptionEqualsDeath - [[spoiler:The entire Magedom of Janam, but particularly Rizwan.]] Also, [[spoiler:Dirk.]]
* RedEyesTakeWarning - Most Auster Folk have red eyes. They're also among the strongest races in the game.
* RedOniBlueOni - Asad and Meruvis.
* ReligionOfEvil - The Order of the One True Way definitely has elements of this. ''{{NightmareFuel}}ish'' elements, in fact -- such as when [[spoiler: their leader predicts a lightning strike will hit the crowded town square during his speech, it ''[[ShockAndAwe happens]]''... and nobody runs. Even though somebody was ''fried to death in their midst''. {{Squick}}...]]

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* RandomEncounters - RandomEncounters: Not as bad as SuikodenIV, but still quite annoying.
* RedemptionEqualsDeath - RedemptionEqualsDeath: [[spoiler:The entire Magedom of Janam, but particularly Rizwan.]] Also, [[spoiler:Dirk.]]
* RedEyesTakeWarning - RedEyesTakeWarning: Most Auster Folk have red eyes. They're also among the strongest races in the game.
* RedOniBlueOni - RedOniBlueOni: Asad and Meruvis.
* ReligionOfEvil - ReligionOfEvil: The Order of the One True Way definitely has elements of this. ''{{NightmareFuel}}ish'' elements, in fact -- such as when [[spoiler: their leader predicts a lightning strike will hit the crowded town square during his speech, it ''[[ShockAndAwe happens]]''... and nobody runs. Even though somebody was ''fried to death in their midst''. {{Squick}}...]]



* [[spoiler:RewritingReality - Turns out the One King has rewritten the True Chronicles of many worlds, eventually leading to his appearances in said worlds and destroy them.]]

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* [[spoiler:RewritingReality - Turns RewritingReality: [[spoiler:Turns out the One King has rewritten the True Chronicles of many worlds, eventually leading to his appearances in said worlds and destroy them.]]



* SaveThePrincess - [[spoiler: Played straight with Manaril; {{Subverted}} by Chrodechild, who's just too much of a BadAss.]]
* ScrewDestiny - Sieg's rallying cry.
* ShootTheShaggyDog - The bad ending, where [[spoiler:Sieg uses the lives of the other Stars of Destiny to kill the One King, only to become the new One King.]]
* SickeninglySweethearts - Dear God, Darrow and Savina...
* {{Stripperiffic}} - Shairah; Sieg can {{Lampshade}} this at one point.

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* SaveThePrincess - SaveThePrincess: [[spoiler: Played straight with Manaril; {{Subverted}} by Chrodechild, who's just too much of a BadAss.]]
* ScrewDestiny - ScrewDestiny: Sieg's rallying cry.
* ShootTheShaggyDog - ShootTheShaggyDog: The bad ending, where [[spoiler:Sieg uses the lives of the other Stars of Destiny to kill the One King, only to become the new One King.]]
* SickeninglySweethearts - SickeninglySweethearts: Dear God, Darrow and Savina...
* {{Stripperiffic}} - {{Stripperiffic}}: Shairah; Sieg can {{Lampshade}} this at one point.



* TakeYourTime - Despite having "season" system, which changes every 30 days, it only affects several characters' recruitment and the appearance of BossInMookClothing in several areas. You can spend as many years as you want without affecting the storyline.

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* TakeYourTime - TakeYourTime: Despite having "season" system, which changes every 30 days, it only affects several characters' recruitment and the appearance of BossInMookClothing in several areas. You can spend as many years as you want without affecting the storyline.



* TeamMom - Sisuca is a self-proclaimed example. Selen is an actual mom, but doesn't do much mommy business.
* TragicMonster - [[spoiler:Dust Sophia. She gets better, though, followed by a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.]]

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* TeamMom - TeamMom: Sisuca is a self-proclaimed example. Selen is an actual mom, but doesn't do much mommy business.
* TragicMonster - TragicMonster: [[spoiler:Dust Sophia. She gets better, though, followed by a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.]]



* TronLines - The Scribes and [[spoiler:Liu, when he gains the Tatau Council Chronicle and becomes the new Elder Scribe.]]
* {{Tsundere}} - Roberto, especially because even the [[AllThereInTheManual Character Guide says so]].

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* TronLines - TronLines: The Scribes and [[spoiler:Liu, when he gains the Tatau Council Chronicle and becomes the new Elder Scribe.]]
* {{Tsundere}} - {{Tsundere}}: Roberto, especially because even the [[AllThereInTheManual Character Guide says so]].



* UselessUsefulSpell - Mostly averted. The majority of status-effect spells also deal damage, and the Sleep Freeze line in particular can be a borderline GameBreaker.
* TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon - The [[EvilTowerOfOminousness Tower of the Way]] is set up as one from rather early on. [[spoiler:However, when you enter it for the last time, you find that the One King has turned it into a [[RushmoreRefacement giant statue of himself]], like [[WhereItAllBegan the very first dungeon]].]]
* VictoriousChildhoodFriend - Len-Lien and Liu
* VillainForgotToLevelGrind - Fergus and Conon get demoted from HopelessBossFight to GoldfishPoopGang by having no change in their stats at all. This promptly [[LampshadeHanging gets pointed out]] by the hero and Liu.

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* UselessUsefulSpell - UselessUsefulSpell: Mostly averted. The majority of status-effect spells also deal damage, and the Sleep Freeze line in particular can be a borderline GameBreaker.
* TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon - TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon: The [[EvilTowerOfOminousness Tower of the Way]] is set up as one from rather early on. [[spoiler:However, when you enter it for the last time, you find that the One King has turned it into a [[RushmoreRefacement giant statue of himself]], like [[WhereItAllBegan the very first dungeon]].]]
* VictoriousChildhoodFriend - VictoriousChildhoodFriend: Len-Lien and Liu
Liu.
* VillainForgotToLevelGrind - VillainForgotToLevelGrind: Fergus and Conon get demoted from HopelessBossFight to GoldfishPoopGang by having no change in their stats at all. This promptly [[LampshadeHanging gets pointed out]] by the hero and Liu.



* WalkingShirtlessScene - A very common theme with guys from the Magedom. Besides Asad, who's pretty clearly MrFanservice, there's Shams, Hafin, Taj, Zahra, the Mage Lord...
* WarriorPrince - So many...
* WeaponOfChoice - All your fighters have ''multiple'' weapons of choice, actually. Some have specific weapons they use in their unity attacks, however. The beast race also wields only [[BareFistedMonk claws and fists]].
* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue - While the credits roll, the bottom screen tells you what each of your party members has been up to.
* TheWisePrince - Prince Shams.
* WomanScorned - Variation; Danash VIII's multiple wives aren't exactly ''fond'' of each other...
* WorthyOpponent - Vaslof
* YouCantFightFate - Central to The Order of the One True Way.
* YouGottaHaveBlueHair - Sphiel, Resno; Taj also has lavender hair.
* ZettaiRyouiki - Marica, Minen.

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* WalkingShirtlessScene - WalkingShirtlessScene: A very common theme with guys from the Magedom. Besides Asad, who's pretty clearly MrFanservice, there's Shams, Hafin, Taj, Zahra, the Mage Lord...
* WarriorPrince - WarriorPrince: So many...
* WeaponOfChoice - WeaponOfChoice: All your fighters have ''multiple'' weapons of choice, actually. Some have specific weapons they use in their unity attacks, however. The beast race also wields only [[BareFistedMonk claws and fists]].
* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue - WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: While the credits roll, the bottom screen tells you what each of your party members has been up to.
* TheWisePrince - TheWisePrince: Prince Shams.
* WomanScorned - WomanScorned: Variation; Danash VIII's multiple wives aren't exactly ''fond'' of each other...
* WorthyOpponent - Vaslof
WorthyOpponent: Vaslof.
* YouCantFightFate - YouCantFightFate: Central to The Order of the One True Way.
* YouGottaHaveBlueHair - YouGottaHaveBlueHair: Sphiel, Resno; Taj also has lavender hair.
* ZettaiRyouiki - ZettaiRyouiki: Marica, Minen.

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* InNameOnly - This installment is no more Suikoden than a regular JRPG. It is basically an old regular plain JRPG marketed as Suikoden game.


* InNameOnly - This installment is no more Suikoden than a regular JRPG.

Added DiffLines:

*InNameOnly - This installment is no more Suikoden than a regular JRPG.


* BigBadassWolf - King Diulf, who doubles as a [[WarriorPrince Warrior King]]!

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