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* OneOfUs: Terrance Hobbs and Kevin Muller are both avid gamers. The latter even has his own Twitch channel.


* ArtistDisillusionment: At the core, this is what happened with Guy Marchais and Frank Mullen (albeit to a much lesser degree with the latter). Both were sick of lengthy drives and seemingly neverending interconnecting flights and airport terminal downtime, and Marchais experienced a series of major life changes (namely inheriting his mom's house down on Myrtle Beach and getting married) that made him realize that his heart simply wasn't in Suffocation any more. As for Frank, his day job's increasing inflexibility indeed played a major role, but he also just didn't want to deal with all the bullshit that touring tends to bring any more and opted to stick to recordings and very infrequent live appearances.

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* ArtistDisillusionment: At the core, this is what happened with Guy Marchais and Frank Mullen (albeit to a much lesser degree with the latter). Both were sick of lengthy drives and seemingly neverending interconnecting flights and airport terminal downtime, and Marchais experienced a series of major life changes (namely inheriting his mom's house down on Myrtle Beach and getting married) that made him realize that his heart simply wasn't in Suffocation any more. As for Frank, his day job's increasing inflexibility indeed played a major role, but he also just didn't want to deal with all the bullshit that touring tends to bring any more and opted to stick to recordings and very infrequent live appearances.appearances until he left for real in 2018.


* OneOfUs: Terrance Hobbs and Kevin Muller are both avid gamers.

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* OneOfUs: Terrance Hobbs and Kevin Muller are both avid gamers. The latter even has his own Twitch channel.


* CreativeDifferences: The gist of what happened with Mike Smith and Ricky Myers. By ''Blood Oath'', Smith was basically his own camp and had a largely adversarial relationship with Hobbs and Marchais, and by the end of his run, he was a truly toxic presence and it's quite possible that the band would have broken up again had he stayed. While he went out on an ''incredibly'' bad note (destroying your bandmate's guitar cabs out of spite will do that), he at least ensured the band's survival. Myers, meanwhile, had a huge falling-out with most of the band around the end of 2016 and left with a bunch of drama. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring, and also averted with Culross, who was in a truly awful relationship that was going to destroy his entire life if he stayed and had to basically flee Long Island and start over.

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* CreativeDifferences: The gist of what happened with Mike Smith and Ricky Myers. By ''Blood Oath'', Smith was basically his own camp and had a largely adversarial relationship with Hobbs and Marchais, and by the end of his run, he was a truly toxic presence and it's quite possible that the band would have broken up again had he stayed. While he went out on an ''incredibly'' bad note (destroying your bandmate's guitar cabs out of spite will do that), he at least ensured the band's survival. Myers, meanwhile, had a huge falling-out with most of the band around the end of 2016 and left with a bunch of drama.drama, though amends were made and he happily returned in 2018 after Kevin Muller decided not to continue. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring, and also averted with Culross, who was in a truly awful relationship that was going to destroy his entire life if he stayed and had to basically flee Long Island and start over.


* CreativeDifferences: The gist of what happened with Mike Smith. By ''Blood Oath'', he was basically his own camp and had a largely adversarial relationship with Hobbs and Marchais, and by the end of his run, he was a truly toxic presence and it's quite possible that the band would have broken up again had he stayed. While he went out on an ''incredibly'' bad note (destroying your bandmate's guitar cabs out of spite will do that), he at least ensured the band's survival. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring, and also averted with Culross, who was in a truly awful relationship that was going to destroy his entire life if he stayed and had to basically flee Long Island and start over.

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* CreativeDifferences: The gist of what happened with Mike Smith. Smith and Ricky Myers. By ''Blood Oath'', he Smith was basically his own camp and had a largely adversarial relationship with Hobbs and Marchais, and by the end of his run, he was a truly toxic presence and it's quite possible that the band would have broken up again had he stayed. While he went out on an ''incredibly'' bad note (destroying your bandmate's guitar cabs out of spite will do that), he at least ensured the band's survival. Myers, meanwhile, had a huge falling-out with most of the band around the end of 2016 and left with a bunch of drama. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring, and also averted with Culross, who was in a truly awful relationship that was going to destroy his entire life if he stayed and had to basically flee Long Island and start over.

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* ArtistDisillusionment: At the core, this is what happened with Guy Marchais and Frank Mullen (albeit to a much lesser degree with the latter). Both were sick of lengthy drives and seemingly neverending interconnecting flights and airport terminal downtime, and Marchais experienced a series of major life changes (namely inheriting his mom's house down on Myrtle Beach and getting married) that made him realize that his heart simply wasn't in Suffocation any more. As for Frank, his day job's increasing inflexibility indeed played a major role, but he also just didn't want to deal with all the bullshit that touring tends to bring any more and opted to stick to recordings and very infrequent live appearances.


* CreativeDifferences: The gist of what happened with Mike Smith. By ''Blood Oath'', he was basically his own camp and had a largely adversarial relationship with Hobbs and Marchais, and by the end of his run, he was a truly toxic presence and it's quite possible that the band would have broken up again had he stayed. While he went out on an ''incredibly'' bad note (destroying your bandmate's guitar cabs out of spite will do that), he at least ensured the band's survival. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring.

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* CreativeDifferences: The gist of what happened with Mike Smith. By ''Blood Oath'', he was basically his own camp and had a largely adversarial relationship with Hobbs and Marchais, and by the end of his run, he was a truly toxic presence and it's quite possible that the band would have broken up again had he stayed. While he went out on an ''incredibly'' bad note (destroying your bandmate's guitar cabs out of spite will do that), he at least ensured the band's survival. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring.touring, and also averted with Culross, who was in a truly awful relationship that was going to destroy his entire life if he stayed and had to basically flee Long Island and start over.


* CreativeDifferences: Part of the reason for the band's growing schism with Smith post-reunion. Being of a more business-oriented mindset, he pushed the band to simplify their sound and later wrote songs with noticeable deathcore influences on ''Blood Oath'', with the rationale being that they were older and were all in need of more money than the band was currently making. Hobbs and Mullen weren't particularly comfortable with this, and they began butting heads with Smith as a result. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring.

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* CreativeDifferences: Part The gist of the reason for the band's growing schism what happened with Smith post-reunion. Being of a more business-oriented mindset, he pushed the band to simplify their sound and later wrote songs with noticeable deathcore influences on Mike Smith. By ''Blood Oath'', he was basically his own camp and had a largely adversarial relationship with the rationale being that they were older and were all in need of more money than the band was currently making. Hobbs and Mullen weren't particularly comfortable with this, Marchais, and they began butting heads with Smith as by the end of his run, he was a result.truly toxic presence and it's quite possible that the band would have broken up again had he stayed. While he went out on an ''incredibly'' bad note (destroying your bandmate's guitar cabs out of spite will do that), he at least ensured the band's survival. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring.


* PromotedFanboy: Boyer. His mother even remembers how he got in trouble for carving the band's name into a desk at school when he was fourteen.

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* PromotedFanboy: Boyer. His Boyer (whose mother even remembers how he got in trouble for carving the band's name into a desk at school when he was fourteen.fourteen), Myers, Errigo, and Muller.

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* OneOfUs: Terrance Hobbs and Kevin Muller are both avid gamers.


* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Arkaik}} Jared Christianson]] was ''very'' nearly their full-time live fill-in vocalist instead of Ricky; Derek Boyer apparently witnessed Arkaik's performance in Brooklyn, liked what he saw, and told Jared that Frank's ability to tour was going to become very limited very shortly and asked him if he wanted a live position. While Suffocation was Jared's favorite band of all time, he knew that it would limit his activities with Arkaik after he had spent ten years busting his ass just making them a name and thus decided to decline the offer. [[Music/MorbidAngel Steve Tucker]] was apparently also approached, but it's not certain whether he was ever a viable candidate or not.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Arkaik}} Jared Christianson]] was ''very'' nearly their full-time live fill-in vocalist instead of Ricky; Derek Boyer apparently witnessed Arkaik's performance in Brooklyn, liked what he saw, and told Jared that Frank's ability to tour was going to become very limited very shortly and asked him if he wanted a live position. While Suffocation was Jared's favorite band of all time, he knew that it would limit his activities with Arkaik after he had spent ten years busting his ass just making them a name and thus decided to decline the offer. [[Music/MorbidAngel Steve Tucker]] was apparently also approached, but it's not certain whether he was ever a viable candidate or not. Lastly, [[Music/DespisedIcon Alex Pelletier]] was approached to do the 2016 Summer Slaughter Tour after Talley left, but couldn't do it due to having a family and a full-time job (also why Despised Icon can't tour full-time); instead, Alex Erian recommended Eric Morotti and the rest was history.


* CreativeDifferences: Part of the reason for the band's growing schism with Smith post-reunion. Being of a more business-oriented mindset, he pushed the band to simplify their sound and later wrote songs with noticeable deathcore influences on ''Blood Oath'', with the rationale being that they were older and were all in need of more money than the band was currently making. Hobbs and Mullen weren't particularly comfortable with this, and they began butting heads with Smith as a result.

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* CreativeDifferences: Part of the reason for the band's growing schism with Smith post-reunion. Being of a more business-oriented mindset, he pushed the band to simplify their sound and later wrote songs with noticeable deathcore influences on ''Blood Oath'', with the rationale being that they were older and were all in need of more money than the band was currently making. Hobbs and Mullen weren't particularly comfortable with this, and they began butting heads with Smith as a result. Averted with Marchais, as he had just gone through a bunch of major life changes and was also done with touring.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Arkaik}} Jared Christianson]] was ''very'' nearly their full-time live fill-in vocalist instead of Ricky; Derek Boyer apparently witnessed Arkaik's performance in Brooklyn, liked what he saw, and told Jared that Frank's ability to tour was going to become very limited very shortly and asked him if he wanted a live position. While Suffocation was Jared's favorite band of all time, he knew that it would limit his activities with Arkaik after he had spent ten years busting his ass just making them a name and thus decided to decline the offer.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Arkaik}} Jared Christianson]] was ''very'' nearly their full-time live fill-in vocalist instead of Ricky; Derek Boyer apparently witnessed Arkaik's performance in Brooklyn, liked what he saw, and told Jared that Frank's ability to tour was going to become very limited very shortly and asked him if he wanted a live position. While Suffocation was Jared's favorite band of all time, he knew that it would limit his activities with Arkaik after he had spent ten years busting his ass just making them a name and thus decided to decline the offer. [[Music/MorbidAngel Steve Tucker]] was apparently also approached, but it's not certain whether he was ever a viable candidate or not.


* PromotedFanboy: Boyer, Robinson, and [[Music/DyingFetus John Gallagher]].

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* PromotedFanboy: Boyer, Robinson, and [[Music/DyingFetus John Gallagher]].Boyer. His mother even remembers how he got in trouble for carving the band's name into a desk at school when he was fourteen.


* TroubledProduction / ScrewedByTheNetwork: ''Breeding the Spawn'' is known for its awful production, which was all due to Roadrunner refusing to pay for another recording session at Morrisound (where ''Effigy'' was recorded). This wound up being part of the reason why Smith initially quit; while Roadrunner kept the band signed (unlike Malevolent Creation, who went through the exact same thing with ''Stillborn''), they jumped ship not long after ''Pierced from Within'' was recorded. Most of the ''Breeding'' tracks have been re-recorded on other albums, so it stands to reason that they'll all turn up in a rerecorded fashion somewhere down the line.

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* TroubledProduction / ScrewedByTheNetwork: ''Breeding the Spawn'' is known for its awful production, which was all due to Roadrunner refusing to pay for another recording session at Morrisound (where ''Effigy'' was recorded). This wound up being part of the reason why Smith initially quit; while Roadrunner kept the band signed (unlike Malevolent Creation, who went through the exact same thing with ''Stillborn''), they jumped ship not long after ''Pierced from Within'' was recorded. Most of the ''Breeding'' tracks have been re-recorded on other albums, so it stands to reason that they'll all turn up in a rerecorded fashion somewhere down the line.line.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[Music/{{Arkaik}} Jared Christianson]] was ''very'' nearly their full-time live fill-in vocalist instead of Ricky; Derek Boyer apparently witnessed Arkaik's performance in Brooklyn, liked what he saw, and told Jared that Frank's ability to tour was going to become very limited very shortly and asked him if he wanted a live position. While Suffocation was Jared's favorite band of all time, he knew that it would limit his activities with Arkaik after he had spent ten years busting his ass just making them a name and thus decided to decline the offer.

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* CreativeDifferences: Part of the reason for the band's growing schism with Smith post-reunion. Being of a more business-oriented mindset, he pushed the band to simplify their sound and later wrote songs with noticeable deathcore influences on ''Blood Oath'', with the rationale being that they were older and were all in need of more money than the band was currently making. Hobbs and Mullen weren't particularly comfortable with this, and they began butting heads with Smith as a result.
* NoExportForYou: The Japanese release of their SelfTitledAlbum featured ''two'' re-recordings of ''Breeding the Spawn'' tracks: "Prelude to Repulsion", which was released to all regions, and "Anomalistic Offerings" which remains Japan-exclusive.
* ThePeteBest: Todd German and the unknown drummer.
* PromotedFanboy: Boyer, Robinson, and [[Music/DyingFetus John Gallagher]].
* TroubledProduction / ScrewedByTheNetwork: ''Breeding the Spawn'' is known for its awful production, which was all due to Roadrunner refusing to pay for another recording session at Morrisound (where ''Effigy'' was recorded). This wound up being part of the reason why Smith initially quit; while Roadrunner kept the band signed (unlike Malevolent Creation, who went through the exact same thing with ''Stillborn''), they jumped ship not long after ''Pierced from Within'' was recorded. Most of the ''Breeding'' tracks have been re-recorded on other albums, so it stands to reason that they'll all turn up in a rerecorded fashion somewhere down the line.

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