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* CreatorBacklash:
** The band excluded the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
** Michael Wilton absolutely ''hated'' the Cabaret tour, which featured burlesque dancers onstage with the band.
-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that tour disgusted."
** The band excluded the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
** Michael Wilton absolutely ''hated'' the Cabaret tour, which featured burlesque dancers onstage with the band.
-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that tour disgusted."
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* OldShame:
** The band excluded the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
** Michael Wilton absolutely ''hated'' the Cabaret tour, which featured burlesque dancers onstage with the band.
-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that tour disgusted."
** The band excluded the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
** Michael Wilton absolutely ''hated'' the Cabaret tour, which featured burlesque dancers onstage with the band.
-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that tour disgusted."
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* FalseCredit: Scott Rockenfield did not perform on ''Operation: Mindcrime II'', and while the album's physical copy did not feature any personnel credits, he was credited as playing drums for the album on the band's website.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return. In 2021, Rockenfield filed a lawsuit against his former band mates, officially ending his tenure with the band.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return. In 2021, Rockenfield filed a lawsuit against his former band mates, bandmates, officially ending his tenure with the band.
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* BlackSheepHit: Their one and only Top 40 single, "Silent Lucidity", is a Music/PinkFloyd-esque orchestral ballad with no traces of the band's trademark prog-metal.
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* BlackSheepHit: Their one and only Top 40 single, "Silent Lucidity", is a Music/PinkFloyd-esque orchestral ballad with no traces of the band's trademark prog-metal.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return. In 2021 Rockenfield filed a lawsuit against his former band mates, officially ending his tenure with the band.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return. In 2021 2021, Rockenfield filed a lawsuit against his former band mates, officially ending his tenure with the band.
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* FanNickname:
** Taterÿche, Scabsrÿche, Fakerÿche and Queenswrëck for the Tate-fronted version, and Toddrÿche for the [=LaTorre=]-fronted version.
** Eddie's nick is Edbass (or One Take), Wilton's is Whip (based on one of his teachers commenting that his fingers would "whip" around the fretboard), Scott's is [=SRock=], and Tate's (not in a good way) is Vest.
** Former guitarist Kelly Gray is known to some as Oven Mitts for his tendency to mangle [=Chris DeGarmo=]'s solos.
** Taterÿche, Scabsrÿche, Fakerÿche and Queenswrëck for the Tate-fronted version, and Toddrÿche for the [=LaTorre=]-fronted version.
** Eddie's nick is Edbass (or One Take), Wilton's is Whip (based on one of his teachers commenting that his fingers would "whip" around the fretboard), Scott's is [=SRock=], and Tate's (not in a good way) is Vest.
** Former guitarist Kelly Gray is known to some as Oven Mitts for his tendency to mangle [=Chris DeGarmo=]'s solos.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return. In 2021 Rockenfield filed a lawsuit against his former band mates, officially ending his tenure with the band.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Creator/EMIAmericaRecords forced the band to adopt a more HairMetal image for ''Rage for Order'' due to the style's popularity at the time, but otherwise didn't interfere with the recording. The album's booklet shows publicity stills of the band wearing [[TrenchcoatBrigade trench coats]], heavy make-up, and perms despite the album itself containing experimental ProgressiveMetal.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: ExecutiveMeddling:
** Creator/EMIAmericaRecords forced the band to adopt a more HairMetal image for ''Rage for Order'' due to the style's popularity at the time, but otherwise didn't interfere with the recording. The album's booklet shows publicity stills of the band wearing [[TrenchcoatBrigade trench coats]], heavy make-up, and perms despite the album itself containing experimental ProgressiveMetal.
** Creator/EMIAmericaRecords forced the band to adopt a more HairMetal image for ''Rage for Order'' due to the style's popularity at the time, but otherwise didn't interfere with the recording. The album's booklet shows publicity stills of the band wearing [[TrenchcoatBrigade trench coats]], heavy make-up, and perms despite the album itself containing experimental ProgressiveMetal.
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* OldShame: The band excluded the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
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* OldShame: OldShame:
** The band excluded the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
** The band excluded the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
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* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe never saw the Hot 100 again.
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* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe Queensrÿche never saw the Hot 100 again.
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-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that
tour disgusted. "
tour disgusted. "
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-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that
that tour disgusted. disgusted."
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** Michael Wilton absolutely ''hated'' the Cabaret tour, which featured burlesque dancers onstage with the band.
-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that
tour disgusted. "
-->"I was totally not involved in that decision. In fact, I was the only member that stood up for not doing that degrading show. Again, Geoff threw a temper tantrum and would not sing requested fan favorites. I came home from that
tour disgusted. "
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* ExecutiveMeddling: EMI America forced the band to adopt a more HairMetal image for ''Rage for Order'' due to the style's popularity at the time, but otherwise didn't interfere with the recording. The album's booklet shows publicity stills of the band wearing [[TrenchcoatBrigade trench coats]], heavy make-up, and perms despite the album itself containing experimental ProgressiveMetal.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: EMI America Creator/EMIAmericaRecords forced the band to adopt a more HairMetal image for ''Rage for Order'' due to the style's popularity at the time, but otherwise didn't interfere with the recording. The album's booklet shows publicity stills of the band wearing [[TrenchcoatBrigade trench coats]], heavy make-up, and perms despite the album itself containing experimental ProgressiveMetal.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return.return.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd LaTorre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return.
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* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd LaTorre La Torre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return.
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* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe never saw the Hot 100 again.
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* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe never saw the Hot 100 again.again.
* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd LaTorre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return.
* PutOnABus: Scott Rockenfield decided to take a hiatus from the band in 2017 to raise his newborn son. Todd LaTorre volunteered to record drums for their 2019 release "The Verdict" (having been a drummer before he was a singer) and they hired Casey Grillo for live shows until Scott feels ready to return.
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* FanNickname:
** Taterÿche, Scabsrÿche, Fakerÿche and Queenswrëck for the Tate-fronted version, and Toddrÿche for the [=LaTorre=]-fronted version.
** Eddie's nick is Edbass (or One Take), Wilton's is Whip (based on one of his teachers commenting that his fingers would "whip" around the fretboard), Scott's is [=SRock=], and Tate's (not in a good way) is Vest.
** Former guitarist Kelly Gray is known to some as Oven Mitts for his tendency to mangle [=Chris DeGarmo=]'s solos.
** Taterÿche, Scabsrÿche, Fakerÿche and Queenswrëck for the Tate-fronted version, and Toddrÿche for the [=LaTorre=]-fronted version.
** Eddie's nick is Edbass (or One Take), Wilton's is Whip (based on one of his teachers commenting that his fingers would "whip" around the fretboard), Scott's is [=SRock=], and Tate's (not in a good way) is Vest.
** Former guitarist Kelly Gray is known to some as Oven Mitts for his tendency to mangle [=Chris DeGarmo=]'s solos.
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** EMI America also shuffled the track order on ''The Warning'' without the band's permission. ''NM 156'' was supposed to be the opening track and ''Warning'' the penultimate song. ''No Sanctuary'' and ''Deliverance'' also swapped places
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* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe neer saw the Hot 100 again.
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* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe neer never saw the Hot 100 again.
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* OldShame: The band excluded the video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
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* OldShame: The band excluded the video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"us!"
* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe neer saw the Hot 100 again.
* OneHitWonder: "Silent Lucidity" peaked at #9, and Queensrÿvhe neer saw the Hot 100 again.
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* BlackSheepHit: Their one and only Top 40 single, "Silent Lucidity", is a Music/PinkFloyd-esque orchestral ballad with no traces of the band's trademark prog-metal.
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** EMI America also meddled directly for the only time with ''The Warning'', where the band went $300,000 over budget during the recording and the label took the recordings away from them and handed them to Val Garay for final mixing. As described by Geoff Tate, Garay had "no clue what Queensrÿche was. He never listened to hard rock music and didn't take input from anyone in the band. He just mixed it according to how he thought it should sound. No one in the band could listen to that record. We all hated it."
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** EMI America also meddled directly for the only time with ''The Warning'', where the band went $300,000 over budget during the recording and the label took the recordings away from them and handed them to Val Garay for final mixing. As described by Geoff Tate, Garay had "no clue what Queensrÿche was. He never listened to hard rock music and didn't take input from anyone in the band. He just mixed it according to how he thought it should sound. No one in the band could listen to that record. We all hated it.""
* OldShame: The band excluded the video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
* OldShame: The band excluded the video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeitJiBDlA "Queen Of The Reich"]] from their video compilation ''Building Empires''. To quote their commentary: "After that is when we grew our hair long...so no one would recognize us!"
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* ExecutiveMeddling: EMI America forced the band to adopt a more HairMetal image for ''Rage for Order'' due to the style's popularity at the time, but otherwise didn't interfere with the recording. The album's booklet shows publicity stills of the band wearing [[TrenchcoatBrigade trench coats]], heavy make-up, and perms despite the album itself containing experimental ProgressiveMetal.
** EMI America also meddled directly for the only time with ''The Warning'', where the band went $300,000 over budget during the recording and the label took the recordings away from them and handed them to Val Garay for final mixing. As described by Geoff Tate, Garay had "no clue what Queensrÿche was. He never listened to hard rock music and didn't take input from anyone in the band. He just mixed it according to how he thought it should sound. No one in the band could listen to that record. We all hated it."
** EMI America also meddled directly for the only time with ''The Warning'', where the band went $300,000 over budget during the recording and the label took the recordings away from them and handed them to Val Garay for final mixing. As described by Geoff Tate, Garay had "no clue what Queensrÿche was. He never listened to hard rock music and didn't take input from anyone in the band. He just mixed it according to how he thought it should sound. No one in the band could listen to that record. We all hated it."
