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* Imagine this: you are a lonely kid who is forced to act way more mature than you actually are and everyone criticizes you for not acting as they want you to and can't wait for you to "become your real self". Then one day someone comes along who actually treats you well, doesn't dismiss your capabilities and treats you as an actual person instead of a cheap version of the "real" you. You understandably become very attached to this person and would do ''[[UndyingLoyalty anything]]'' for their sake. [[spoiler: Then you find it out it is all a lie, that said person you care for and thought cared for you ''never even saw you as a person'' and, in fact, you are ''are'' a cheap copy of the real person. And you find that out when said person ''makes you destroy an entire town'' killing thousands of people.]] Thinking of it this way [[spoiler: makes the whole situation with Van and Luke a horrifying and cruel situation for such a young child to go through.]]

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* Imagine this: you are a lonely kid who is forced to act way more mature than you actually are and everyone criticizes you for not acting as they want you to and can't wait for you to "become your real self". Then one day someone comes along who actually treats you well, doesn't dismiss your capabilities and treats you as an actual person instead of a cheap version of the "real" you. You understandably become very attached to this person and would do ''[[UndyingLoyalty anything]]'' for their sake. [[spoiler: Then you find it out it is all a lie, that said person you care for and thought cared for you ''never even saw you as a person'' and, in fact, you are ''are'' a cheap copy of the real person. And you find that out when said person ''makes you destroy an entire town'' killing thousands of people.]] Thinking of it this way [[spoiler: makes the whole situation with Van and Luke a horrifying and cruel situation for such a young child to go through.]]


* Hell, the entire game from about the time Akzeriuth is destroyed to the end is just one big TearJerker after another, with little relenting between it all unless you're doing the sidequests. You could make a solid argument the game gave you Jade just to mitigate the emotional assault the game wreaks on you. To elaborate, if you don't do the sidequests, [[spoiler: After Azkeriuth is destroyed and Luke is totally abandoned by his friends, you find out Mohs is still trying to push the war by kidnapping Ion and Natalia. Once you rescue them, you then find out Guy wanted to kill Luke all along. Then you learn St Binah is sinking and it's entirely possible soon after that that you can kill Noelle's brother, Ginji. After a small breather, you find out Natalia isn't even the real princess and Anise is fired from protecting Ion, who she is in love with. When you get to Baticul, Natalia is rejected by her father and you are run out of the capital (but the townspeople love her enough to protect her with their lives, so this isn't exactly cheerful). Not too long after they make up, though, is the utter ''massacre'' at Sheridan and you find out that Tear is dying, which there's literally nothing anyone can do about. You kill the God-Genreals and Van and all is sunshine and bloody rainbows, but Van's sword's been nicked and Luke has zero self worth right now because the only person in the manor who likes him is his mother. Immediately after learning that none of the God-Generals died, Frings is killed BY MOHS, and as noted above this is even worse if you do his sidequest. Then the deadly Miasma is back, you learn Anise was blackmailed into betraying you, and Ion straight up dies, but at least Tear isn't dying anymore! Then you find out Largo is Natalia's father, but don't tell her, and then Sync shows up to be an ass and remind you Ion is dead! And you murder Arietta and you feel like you basically put someone out of their misery more than anything. THEN, after Luke has obtained self worth, he is essentially forced into sacrificing his life and he stains his hands with more blood. Then Natalia learns the truth of who her father is, Van is brought back, and you have to kill Natalia's father! Oh, and after that, you find out the Score of Prosperoty has foretold destruction all along. Then you murder Legretta which is hard on Tear, and then Asch dies! And then you kill Van, and Luke has to die for real this time! Almost nothing ''happy'' happens between all of that!]] This game doesn't want you to be happy, and I didn't even mention everything soul-crushing, like [[spoiler: the fact that Mohs made replicas of Guy's older sister, of Iemon, and General Frings just to be an asshole, and the piss-poor treatment of replicas, and the entire thing with Professor Nebilim]].

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* Hell, the entire game from about the time Akzeriuth is destroyed to the end is just one big TearJerker after another, with little relenting between it all unless you're doing the sidequests. You could make a solid argument the game gave you Jade just to mitigate the emotional assault the game wreaks on you. To elaborate, if you don't do the sidequests, [[spoiler: After after Azkeriuth is destroyed and Luke is totally abandoned by his friends, you find out Mohs is still trying to push the war by kidnapping Ion and Natalia. Once you rescue them, you then find out Guy wanted to kill Luke all along. Then you learn St Binah is sinking and it's entirely possible soon after that that you can kill Noelle's brother, Ginji. After a small breather, you find out Natalia isn't even the real princess and Anise is fired from protecting Ion, who she is in love with. When you get to Baticul, Natalia is rejected by her father and you are run out of the capital (but the townspeople love her enough to protect her with their lives, so this isn't exactly cheerful). Not too long after they make up, though, is the utter ''massacre'' at Sheridan and you find out that Tear is dying, which there's literally nothing anyone can do about. You kill the God-Genreals and Van and all is sunshine and bloody rainbows, but Van's sword's been nicked and Luke has zero self worth right now because the only person in the manor who likes him is his mother. Immediately after learning that none of the God-Generals died, Frings is killed BY MOHS, and as noted above this is even worse if you do his sidequest. Then the deadly Miasma is back, you learn Anise was blackmailed into betraying you, and Ion straight up dies, but at least Tear isn't dying anymore! Then you find out Largo is Natalia's father, but don't tell her, and then Sync shows up to be an ass and remind you Ion is dead! And you murder Arietta and you feel like you basically put someone out of their misery more than anything. THEN, after Luke has obtained self worth, he is essentially forced into sacrificing his life and he stains his hands with more blood. Then Natalia learns the truth of who her father is, Van is brought back, and you have to kill Natalia's father! Oh, and after that, you find out the Score of Prosperoty has foretold destruction all along. Then you murder Legretta which is hard on Tear, and then Asch dies! And then you kill Van, and Luke has to die for real this time! Almost nothing ''happy'' happens between all of that!]] This game doesn't want you to be happy, and I didn't even mention everything soul-crushing, like [[spoiler: the fact that Mohs made replicas of Guy's older sister, of Iemon, and General Frings just to be an asshole, and the piss-poor treatment of replicas, and the entire thing with Professor Nebilim]].


* At Luke's lowest point he finds out [[spoiler:he's a [[CloningBlues clone]] and his childhood that he thought he forgot never happened., the person he respected and admired the most had been lying and deceiving him all along, he killed ''ten thousand'' people, everyone hates him, they prefer the original over him and the only person who might care is having her doubts.]]
** [[spoiler:Asch's]] reveal is made even worse in the anime as you watch Luke [[spoiler: relive all the hints leading up to his shattered identity as a replica - being unable to regain his memories, Legretta calling him a defective thing - in the middle of a total [[HeroicBSOD meltdown]]]].
** The worst part is probably playing a second playthrough and knowing what's going to happen but not being able to do anything about it.
** The direct aftermath of [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] is bad, especially if you pay attention to the voice acting (and in the anime the animation makes it more clear): Luke is having a full on breakdown and considering later revelations [[spoiler: like him actually being seven]] it's obvious that he needs some kind of support...however, his NoSocialSkills and the freak out he's going through means everyone instead walks away from him. Leaving him alone except for Mieu...
** If that part of Abyss makes you cry, then...well...here's hoping you didn't get attached to some of the other characters.

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* At Luke's lowest point he finds out [[spoiler:he's a [[CloningBlues clone]] and his childhood that he thought he forgot never happened., the person he respected and admired the most had been lying and deceiving him all along, he killed ''ten thousand'' people, everyone hates him, they prefer the original over him and the only person who might ''might'' care is having her doubts.]]
** [[spoiler:Asch's]] reveal is made even worse in the anime as you watch Luke [[spoiler: relive all the hints leading up to his shattered identity as a replica - being unable to regain his memories, Legretta calling him a defective thing "thing" - in the middle of a total [[HeroicBSOD meltdown]]]].
** The worst part is probably playing a second playthrough and knowing what's going to happen [[ForegoneConclusion but not being able to do anything about it.
it]].
** The direct aftermath of [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] is bad, especially if you pay attention to the voice acting (and in the anime the animation makes it more clear): much clearer): Luke is having a full on breakdown and considering later revelations [[spoiler: like him actually being seven]] it's obvious that he needs some kind of support...however, his NoSocialSkills and the freak out FreakOut he's going through means everyone instead walks away from him. Leaving him alone except for Mieu...
** If that part of Abyss ''Abyss'' makes you cry, then...well...here's hoping you didn't get attached to some of the other characters.



* The Tower of Rem. This Tower's arguably worse than ''Symphonia''.

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* The Tower of Rem. This Tower's arguably worse ''worse'' than ''Symphonia''.

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** [[spoiler: The parties reaction in general is this. They all tell Luke he shouldn't do it, that he has to live and become his own being. Guy and Tear tell them they won't forgive him for dying, Jade (as shown above) tells him he cannot stand to let him do it as his friend, Anise finds herself struggling with it because she doesn't want Luke to die like Ion did, and Natalia doesn't want him to die because, even if he isn't the real Luke, he is as real to her as Asch is. Heck even the major political figures all earn this; they all make it clear they do not want to send Luke to do it, they even say that if he ran away, they wouldn't blame him. Peony even states he feels Luke has every reason to hate them for it, and they even suggest they could "order" him to do it since it at least makes it easier for him to accept than just doing it himself.]]


** Luke's turning point, especially the part where [[spoiler:he realizes everyone prefers the original over him. "It's no wonder everyone got sick of me and left me behind."]] The start of a nasty inferiority complex for Luke...and one that can resonate with some people - and so, Luke's decision and the resulting ImportantHaircut leads to a [[HeartwarmingMoments very touching moment]].

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** Luke's turning point, especially the part where [[spoiler:he realizes everyone prefers the original over him. "It's no wonder everyone got sick of me and left me behind."]] The start of a nasty inferiority complex for Luke...and one that can resonate with some people - and so, Luke's decision and the resulting ImportantHaircut leads to a [[HeartwarmingMoments [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments very touching moment]].


* The death of [[spoiler:Arietta]]. In the anime, it's even ''more'' heartbreaking as [[spoiler:Arietta hallucinates Ion and her animal family with her, reaching out to them, and then dies at that moment. It's even sadder by the fact she died without ever knowing the Ion she knew and loved was already dead.]]

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* The death of [[spoiler:Arietta]]. In the anime, it's made even ''more'' heartbreaking worse (or better, depending on your point of view) as [[spoiler:Arietta hallucinates actually sees Ion and her animal family with surrounding her, reaching out to them, and then dies at that moment. It's even sadder by the fact she died without ever knowing the Ion she knew and loved was already dead.]]


** In hindsight, this choice ends up saving [[spoiler:Asch's life. Why? Had he stayed Guy would most likely assassinate him as revenge against Von Fabre and Guy knew this possibility exists.]]

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** In hindsight, this choice ends up saving [[spoiler:Asch's life. Why? Had he stayed Guy would most likely assassinate him as revenge against Von Fon Fabre and Guy knew this possibility exists.]]

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** In hindsight, this choice ends up saving [[spoiler:Asch's life. Why? Had he stayed Guy would most likely assassinate him as revenge against Von Fabre and Guy knew this possibility exists.]]

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* Imagine this: you are a lonely kid who is forced to act way more mature than you actually are and everyone criticizes you for not acting as they want you to and can't wait for you to "become your real self". Then one day someone comes along who actually treats you well, doesn't dismiss your capabilities and treats you as an actual person instead of a cheap version of the "real" you. You understandably become very attached to this person and would do ''[[UndyingLoyalty anything]]'' for their sake. [[spoiler: Then you find it out it is all a lie, that said person you care for and thought cared for you ''never even saw you as a person'' and, in fact, you are ''are'' a cheap copy of the real person. And you find that out when said person ''makes you destroy an entire town'' killing thousands of people.]] Thinking of it this way [[spoiler: makes the whole situation with Van and Luke a horrifying and cruel situation for such a young child to go through.]]

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** The direct aftermath of [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] is bad, especially if you pay attention to the voice acting (and in the anime the animation makes it more clear): Luke is having a full on breakdown and considering later revelations [[spoiler: like him actually being seven]] it's obvious that he needs some kind of support...however, his NoSocialSkills and the freak out he's going through means everyone instead walks away from him. Leaving him alone except for Mieu...


** [[spoiler: Tear's voice when she tells Luke he has to come home is worse when you can clearly hear in her voice that she's utterly distraught, considering she sounds like she's been crying, but there's not a tear on her face]].



** Her treatment of Luke hurts when you realise ''why'' she's the harshest to him of your other five members- [[spoiler: Anise is constantly trying to make the party hate traitors so they'll hate ''her'']].



** You also meet his mother later in the game. It's as depressing as you might imagine.



* A small blink-and-you'll-miss-it around Belkend. Guy separates himself from the party, saying that he's going back [[spoiler: to where Luke is]]. Asch's initial reaction is "Guy... why?". It's subtle, but there's a definite ''hurt'' note in his voice at that moment. Asch is hurt by the fact that, someone whom he considered a friend of his, was actually choosing [[spoiler: the replica]].

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* A small blink-and-you'll-miss-it around Belkend. Guy separates himself from the party, saying that he's going back [[spoiler: to where Luke is]]. Asch's initial reaction is "Guy... why?". It's subtle, but there's a definite ''hurt'' note in his voice at that moment. Asch is hurt by the fact that, someone whom he considered a friend of his, was actually choosing [[spoiler: the replica]].replica]].
* Hell, the entire game from about the time Akzeriuth is destroyed to the end is just one big TearJerker after another, with little relenting between it all unless you're doing the sidequests. You could make a solid argument the game gave you Jade just to mitigate the emotional assault the game wreaks on you. To elaborate, if you don't do the sidequests, [[spoiler: After Azkeriuth is destroyed and Luke is totally abandoned by his friends, you find out Mohs is still trying to push the war by kidnapping Ion and Natalia. Once you rescue them, you then find out Guy wanted to kill Luke all along. Then you learn St Binah is sinking and it's entirely possible soon after that that you can kill Noelle's brother, Ginji. After a small breather, you find out Natalia isn't even the real princess and Anise is fired from protecting Ion, who she is in love with. When you get to Baticul, Natalia is rejected by her father and you are run out of the capital (but the townspeople love her enough to protect her with their lives, so this isn't exactly cheerful). Not too long after they make up, though, is the utter ''massacre'' at Sheridan and you find out that Tear is dying, which there's literally nothing anyone can do about. You kill the God-Genreals and Van and all is sunshine and bloody rainbows, but Van's sword's been nicked and Luke has zero self worth right now because the only person in the manor who likes him is his mother. Immediately after learning that none of the God-Generals died, Frings is killed BY MOHS, and as noted above this is even worse if you do his sidequest. Then the deadly Miasma is back, you learn Anise was blackmailed into betraying you, and Ion straight up dies, but at least Tear isn't dying anymore! Then you find out Largo is Natalia's father, but don't tell her, and then Sync shows up to be an ass and remind you Ion is dead! And you murder Arietta and you feel like you basically put someone out of their misery more than anything. THEN, after Luke has obtained self worth, he is essentially forced into sacrificing his life and he stains his hands with more blood. Then Natalia learns the truth of who her father is, Van is brought back, and you have to kill Natalia's father! Oh, and after that, you find out the Score of Prosperoty has foretold destruction all along. Then you murder Legretta which is hard on Tear, and then Asch dies! And then you kill Van, and Luke has to die for real this time! Almost nothing ''happy'' happens between all of that!]] This game doesn't want you to be happy, and I didn't even mention everything soul-crushing, like [[spoiler: the fact that Mohs made replicas of Guy's older sister, of Iemon, and General Frings just to be an asshole, and the piss-poor treatment of replicas, and the entire thing with Professor Nebilim]].

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** How Tear acts as [[spoiler: Luke is about to make his sacrifice]] also qualifies when you consider how much she's usually in control of her emotions. [[spoiler: Despite promising Luke that she wouldn't interfere with his decision, when the moment actually comes her resolve breaks and she runs to try and stop him such that Guy, who incidentally was easily the most vocally opposed to Luke sacrificing himself, actually has to hold her back]]. It's really telling how important Luke has become to Tear that she would [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness lose control of herself so much despite having said before she would accept his decision]].

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***[[TakeAThirdOption There's also the third interpretation]] where [[spoiler:Asch and Luke have become one person. Both Lukes are able to live but have lost their individuality]].


* There is a flashback in the anime where after being kidnapped to Choral Castle [[spoiler:Asch ventures home to his parents, only to be shooed away by the guards. He climbs up a fence wall to discover he was replaced by replica Luke]]. His heart just breaks.

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* There is a flashback in the anime where after being kidnapped to Choral Castle [[spoiler:Asch ventures home to his parents, only to be shooed away by the guards. He climbs up a fence wall to discover he was replaced by replica Luke]]. His heart just breaks.breaks.
* A small blink-and-you'll-miss-it around Belkend. Guy separates himself from the party, saying that he's going back [[spoiler: to where Luke is]]. Asch's initial reaction is "Guy... why?". It's subtle, but there's a definite ''hurt'' note in his voice at that moment. Asch is hurt by the fact that, someone whom he considered a friend of his, was actually choosing [[spoiler: the replica]].


** '''Luke:''' Tear told me not to keep anything from her anymore. Yeah, I guess. Now
that she's learned my biggest secret, I don't have anything...well, only one thing to hide from her. Thanks, Tear.

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** '''Luke:''' Tear told me not to keep anything from her anymore. Yeah, I guess. Now
Now that she's learned my biggest secret, I don't have anything...well, only one thing to hide from her. Thanks, Tear.

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