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* In the chapter where Charles defends himself during a sham trial, he tries to convince Marie that he's a changed man. She rebukes him with her belief that all of humanity is dirty, with every person trying to kill or exploit each other. [[EtTuBrute Is it any wonder how Marie]] [[RapeAsBackstory came to]] [[ColdBloodedTorture such a conclusion]]?

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* In the chapter where Charles defends himself during a sham trial, he tries to convince Marie that he's a changed man. She rebukes him with her belief that all of humanity is dirty, with every person trying to kill or exploit each other. [[EtTuBrute Is it any wonder how 13 year-old Marie]] [[RapeAsBackstory came to]] [[ColdBloodedTorture such a conclusion]]?

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* In the chapter where Charles defends himself during a sham trial, he tries to convince Marie that he's a changed man. She rebukes him with her belief that all of humanity is dirty, with every person trying to kill or exploit each other. [[EtTuBrute Is it any wonder how Marie]] [[RapeAsBackstory came to]] [[ColdBloodedTorture such a conclusion]]?

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* Marie-Joseph would never see her dream of the end of the aristocracy either, as she [[spoiler: died right around the tail end of the 18th century]].

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* Antoinette being told by Marie that throughout all of her 19 years in France, [[FalseFriend all of the people that she surrounded herself with were only with her because it benefited them]], exemplified with Madame Polignac immediately abandoning Antoinette once the revolution comes.
* Like her real-life counterpart, Antoinette and her children were eventually separated, with her son Louis-Charles being abused by his caretakers, and her daughter Marie-Therese confined with Elisabeth.


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* Charles-Henri, now an old man, bemoans how he was never able to achieve his single goal of abolishing executions,which wouldn't come true until *1981*. From the very beginning, Charles' pure goal became a TragicDream.


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* In a meta way, Louis-Charles-Martine was the only sibling who outlived his other siblings, according to the family tree used in the manga. He died only 4 years after Marie-Joseph died in 1813.


* A small one, but in chapterr 84, [[spoiler: Zero]] asks Charles-Henri if Marie is going to be killed. In the same chapter, during the family dinner, Marie tells Charles-Henri that the only way for the executions to stop is if a Sanson is executed, and admits that the only time that she was genuinely happy was when she and Charles-Henri were dreaming together.
* Combined with NightmareFuel is the entirety of chapter 85, where [[spoiler: Marie is stripped, had the flesh on her back torn by a whip, beaten to a bloody pulp, hoisted up in the air by old-fashion torture devices]], then [[spoiler: raped by the spiked copper handle of a ship that St. Juste uses]]. Charles-Henri, Anne, Henri, Andre can only beg for [[spoiler: Marie to be released]] as they're held back and ForcedToWatch. Especially with, [[spoiler: 7-year-old Zero]], as they go from admiring [[spoiler: Marie's way of never backing down]] to shedding tears as their whole worldview of liberty, equality and fraternity crumbles and [[spoiler: their mother is dragged on the streets]].

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* A small one, but in chapterr chapter 84, [[spoiler: Zero]] asks Charles-Henri if Marie is going to be killed. In the same chapter, during the family dinner, Marie tells Charles-Henri that the only way for the executions to stop is if a Sanson is executed, and admits that the only time that she was genuinely happy was when she and Charles-Henri were dreaming together.
* Combined with NightmareFuel is the entirety of chapter 85, where [[spoiler: Marie is stripped, had the flesh on her back torn by a whip, beaten to a bloody pulp, hoisted up in the air by old-fashion torture devices]], then [[spoiler: raped by the spiked copper handle of a ship that St. Juste Just uses]]. Charles-Henri, Anne, Henri, Andre can only beg for [[spoiler: Marie to be released]] as they're held back and ForcedToWatch. Especially with, [[spoiler: 7-year-old Zero]], as they go from admiring [[spoiler: Marie's way of never backing down]] to shedding tears as their whole worldview of liberty, equality and fraternity crumbles and [[spoiler: their mother is dragged on the streets]].


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* The stress of the constant executions from June 17th to July 27th of 1794 [[https://mangadex.org/chapter/880832/11 drastically changed Charles-Henri to the point that a majority of his hair as gone grey]].

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* A small one, but in chapterr 84, [[spoiler: Zero]] asks Charles-Henri if Marie is going to be killed. In the same chapter, during the family dinner, Marie tells Charles-Henri that the only way for the executions to stop is if a Sanson is executed, and admits that the only time that she was genuinely happy was when she and Charles-Henri were dreaming together.


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* Later on in chapter 86, it's revealed that Jacques Damiens, the man who inspired Marie to side with the revolutionaries, [[spoiler: was eventually imprisoned and tortured until he was DrivenToSuicide]].
* Following [[spoiler: helping Marie escape her own execution, knowing that he'll never see her again]], Charles-Henri sports some DullEyesOfUnhappiness and no longer feels any emotion whenever he decapitates someone.

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* Charles-Henri executing Louis XVI, the person whom he referred to as "mon ami" ever since the king was a little boy.
* Equally heartbreaking is when Antoinette is executed by [[spoiler: Marie]], following Antoinette's [[spoiler: decision to be executed rather than escape through a plan that Marie had created]]. A fantasy sequence emerges of the two Maries dancing together, with [[spoiler: Marie smiling at Antoinette]]. When [[spoiler: she's attacked right after executing the last queen of France, Marie gouges out the eyes of the man who stabbed her, and as she's bending the man backwards with her bare hands until she snaps his neck, a panel shows of Antoinette, smiling]].
* Combined with NightmareFuel is the entirety of chapter 85, where [[spoiler: Marie is stripped, had the flesh on her back torn by a whip, beaten to a bloody pulp, hoisted up in the air by old-fashion torture devices]], then [[spoiler: raped by the spiked copper handle of a ship that St. Juste uses]]. Charles-Henri, Anne, Henri, Andre can only beg for [[spoiler: Marie to be released]] as they're held back and ForcedToWatch. Especially with, [[spoiler: 7-year-old Zero]], as they go from admiring [[spoiler: Marie's way of never backing down]] to shedding tears as their whole worldview of liberty, equality and fraternity crumbles and [[spoiler: their mother is dragged on the streets]].

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* Nicolas-Gabriel's attempts at earning his mother's love, ever since he was a young boy, as Anne-Marthe purposefully focused more on Jean-Baptiste in the past.
* In a way, Griffith's execution: Instead of being chopped up to bits as Marie had intended, since he [[spoiler: was the man who raped and sexually abused her]], Griffith is decapitated by Jean-Baptiste, called a hero of France, and had his corpse properly taken care of.

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* One of the first executions shown in Rouge is that of [[DeathOfAChild Helene]], who was only 12 years old. Following a successful C-section, Charles-Henri mentions that she's later to be hung for murdering her husband, shocking his eldest son Henri. When the day arrives, Helene is relieved to no longer be pregnant with "commoner's blood". The crowd quickly turns against her, and she's hung in a painful manner due to her weight not being enough to press down on her neck. Charles-Henri requests anyone who is a family member to Helene to step forward and help release her from her suffering, but the family she wed into refuses. Not wanting Helene to die all alone, Henri steps forward to act as the "weight", sending her off peacefully.

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* A minor one, but Antoinette having to leave everything behind that came from Austria, including her dog Mops.


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* The close relationship between Marie Antoinette and her sister Carolina was, much like in real life, cut short due to Carolina having been hastily wed to Charles III of Spain after Maria Carolina died of smallpox.
--> Antoinette: We were going to be together forever...I can't believe you were chosen to be princess of Naples in Josepha's place...Goodbye, Charlotte...


** Jean then reveals to Charles that he sleeps with his father and asks Charles if humans are truly superior to other animals, as humans just suffer by living. Later on, Jean is taken prisoner for the crime of being part of the Church of England, although the truth was that he was a scapegoat for Earl Chartois. When Charles goes to the Concierge to meet Jean, Jean has been beaten and is heavily implied to have been raped all night. Despite Charles trying to get through Jean, Jean spits back at Charles and curses him, saying that he should've never known him in the first place. The next day, Charles attempts to execute Jean without hesitation, but misses when Jean mentions the name of his little sister. The sword misses its mark, and in a panic, Charles swings down his sword multiple times until Jean is nothing more than a bloody pulp. The crowd pities Jean and one guy denounces Charles as a devil that likes killing people. Following this, Charles is judged by the hundreds of onlookers as a "murderer", and he screams to the heavens that he isn't a murderer, and sobs that he was made to do it, and that he's innocent.

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** Jean then reveals to Charles that [[RapeAsBackstory he sleeps with his father father]] and asks Charles if humans are truly superior to other animals, as humans just suffer by living. Later on, Jean is taken prisoner for the crime of being part of the Church of England, although the truth was that he was a scapegoat for Earl Chartois. When Charles goes to the Concierge to meet Jean, Jean has been beaten and is heavily implied to have been raped all night. Despite Charles trying to get through Jean, Jean spits back at Charles and curses him, saying that he should've never known him in the first place. The next day, Charles attempts to execute Jean without hesitation, but misses when Jean mentions the name of his little sister. The sword misses its mark, and in a panic, Charles swings down his sword multiple times until Jean is nothing more than a bloody pulp. The crowd pities Jean and one guy denounces Charles as a devil that likes killing people. Following this, Charles is judged by the hundreds of onlookers as a "murderer", and he screams to the heavens that he isn't a murderer, and sobs that he was made to do it, and that he's innocent.

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** Her descent into this is coupled after coming across Alain's body, lying in the snow with a gunshot wound, along with a sword stabbed into the chest. With the only man she ever had romantic feelings for dead, Marie decides to fully embrace being an executioner and tear down the aristocracy by any means necessary.
* By the end of Innocent, the warm relationship Charles-Henri and Marie once had has completely crumbled.

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* The burning of Alain's school, and Alain's subsequent murder. While Marie was never a nice person, it's this tragedy that causes her to become a full-blown VillainProtagonist

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