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* Guardian Devil, the arc involving the death of [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Mysterio]] as written by Kevin Smith. Taking place JUST after Peter retired as Spider-Man, Mysterio is dying and just wants to show everyone he's not a joke, yet Matt keeps brushing off his attempts and lists off why his plans are just rehashes. Break him by driving him mad? Kingpin already did that. Mess with him spiritually? Armageddon already did that with the X-Men. And at the end of it Mysterio just says 'I guess I'll rip off Kraven now' and shoots himself in the head. One of the saddest lines from him were directed at Matt which were "If people think I'm a C-List villain. Might as well take down a C-List Spider-Man."

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* Guardian Devil, ''ComicBook/GuardianDevil'', the arc involving the death of [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Mysterio]] as written by Kevin Smith. Taking place JUST after Peter retired as Spider-Man, Mysterio is dying and just wants to show everyone he's not a joke, yet Matt keeps brushing off his attempts and lists off why his plans are just rehashes. Break him by driving him mad? Kingpin already did that. Mess with him spiritually? Armageddon already did that with the X-Men. And at the end of it Mysterio just says 'I guess I'll rip off Kraven now' and shoots himself in the head. One of the saddest lines from him were directed at Matt which were "If people think I'm a C-List villain. Might as well take down a C-List Spider-Man."
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* Matt's love life is almost ''comically'' tragic- Karen and Elektra both die at the hands of Bullseye, Echo was killed by a brainwashed Elektra, Heather Glenn committed suicide after she felt Matt was ignoring her and she spiralled into a drug problem, Glorianna O'Brien is killed by one of Kingpin's assassins and Milla Donovan, who was driven insane by Mister Fear. Matt's only healthy relationships where both people ''lived'' after they broke up were with Typhoid Mary, a schizophrenic who frequently tried to kill him, and Black Widow, a former Red Room assassin.
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* This incarnation of Elektra Natchios, [[AdaptationalHeroism unlike the version seen in the comics]], was just a young woman who rarely had good things happen to her. As shown in this film and [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own spin-off]], her entire life seemed like pure struggle. As a child, her father put her through rigorous training that only worsened at age 5, when she saw her mother murdered before her eyes, her innocent mind imagined a demon killing her. As she grew older, her father put her through a different sensei each year and still had security watch over her, limiting her freedom. Although she enters a romantic relationship with Matt Murdock, Wilson Fisk decided to have her father killed and, because of his motto of killing the entire family, made her a target as well. After he father is killed in front of her, Elektra, thinking Daredevil responsible, shoots at him before her gun empties and she breaks down into tears over her father's dead body. Now without either parent, Elektra ends her relationship with Matt to focus on revenge. She hunts down and mortally wounds Daredevil, only to learn he is Matt and the real killer, Bullseye, is watching her. Despite her best efforts, Elektra is humiliated and murdered by the insane hitman. After being forced to look him in the eye and, in the director's cut, being kissed by Bullseye, Elektra could only give Matt a weak "help me" before dying. Resurrected by a man named Stick, Elektra was cast out of his school due to being unable to let go of her rage. Although she does overcome her issues, she is still alone in the world, and due to her film's poor reception and the Daredevil rights returned to Marvel, never reunited with the man she loves or able to claim her revenge.
* Matt's internal monologue about his father's death, and how it deeply affected him for years.
-->I waited outside the Olympic for my father. In some ways, I'm still waiting. Nobody cared much about the death of a washed-up prizefighter... nobody but me.
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* Matt's love life is almost ''comically'' tragic- Karen and Elektra both die at the hands of Bullseye, Echo was killed by a brainwashed Elektra, Heather Glenn committed suicide after she felt Matt was ignoring her and she spiralled into a drug problem, Glorianna O'Brien is killed by one of Kingpin's assassins and Milla Donovan, who was driven insane by Mister Fear. Matt's only healthy relationships where both people ''lived'' after they broke up were with Typhoid Mary, a schizophrenic who frequently tried to kill him, and Black Widow, a former Red Room assassin. \n[[/folder]]\n\n[[folder:2003 Film]]\n* This incarnation of Elektra Natchios, [[AdaptationalHeroism unlike the version seen in the comics]], was just a young woman who rarely had good things happen to her. As shown in this film and [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own spin-off]], her entire life seemed like pure struggle. As a child, her father put her through rigorous training that only worsened at age 5, when she saw her mother murdered before her eyes, her innocent mind imagined a demon killing her. As she grew older, her father put her through a different sensei each year and still had security watch over her, limiting her freedom. Although she enters a romantic relationship with Matt Murdock, Wilson Fisk decided to have her father killed and, because of his motto of killing the entire family, made her a target as well. After he father is killed in front of her, Elektra, thinking Daredevil responsible, shoots at him before her gun empties and she breaks down into tears over her father's dead body. Now without either parent, Elektra ends her relationship with Matt to focus on revenge. She hunts down and mortally wounds Daredevil, only to learn he is Matt and the real killer, Bullseye, is watching her. Despite her best efforts, Elektra is humiliated and murdered by the insane hitman. After being forced to look him in the eye and, in the director's cut, being kissed by Bullseye, Elektra could only give Matt a weak "help me" before dying. Resurrected by a man named Stick, Elektra was cast out of his school due to being unable to let go of her rage. Although she does overcome her issues, she is still alone in the world, and due to her film's poor reception and the Daredevil rights returned to Marvel, never reunited with the man she loves or able to claim her revenge.\n* Matt's internal monologue about his father's death, and how it deeply affected him for years.\n-->I waited outside the Olympic for my father. In some ways, I'm still waiting. Nobody cared much about the death of a washed-up prizefighter... nobody but me. \n[[/folder]]\n----
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* ''Daredevil'' arc "Return of the King" has the murder of Wilson "The Kingpin" Fisk's adopted family by Lady Bullseye. Kingpin's realization that no matter how far away he might run, his life will always find a way to drag him down is heartbreaking.
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* This incarnation of Elektra Natchios, [[AdaptationalHeroism unlike the version seen in the comics]], was just a young woman who rarely had good things happen to her. As shown in this film and her [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own spin-off]], her entire life seemed like pure struggle. As a child, her father put her through rigorous training that only worsened at age 5, when she saw her mother murdered before her eyes, her innocent mind imagined a demon killing her. As she grew older, her father put her through a different sensei each year and still had security watch over her, limiting her freedom. Although she enters a romantic relationship with Matt Murdock, Wilson Fisk decided to have her father killed and, because of his motto of killing the entire family, made her a target as well. After he father is killed in front of her, Elektra, thinking Daredevil responsible, shoots at him before her gun empties and she breaks down into tears over her father's dead body. Now without either parent, Elektra ends her relationship with Matt to focus on revenge. She hunts down and mortally wounds Daredevil, only to learn he is Matt and the real killer, Bullseye, is watching her. Despite her best efforts, Elektra is humiliated and murdered by the insane hitman. After being forced to look him in the eye and, in the director's cut, being kissed by Bullseye, Elektra could only give Matt a weak "help me" before dying. Resurrected by a man named Stick, Elektra was cast out of his school due to being unable to let go of her rage. Although she does overcome her issues, she is still alone in the world, and due to her film's poor reception and the Daredevil rights returned to Marvel, never reunited with the man she loves or able to claim her revenge.

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* This incarnation of Elektra Natchios, [[AdaptationalHeroism unlike the version seen in the comics]], was just a young woman who rarely had good things happen to her. As shown in this film and her [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own spin-off]], her entire life seemed like pure struggle. As a child, her father put her through rigorous training that only worsened at age 5, when she saw her mother murdered before her eyes, her innocent mind imagined a demon killing her. As she grew older, her father put her through a different sensei each year and still had security watch over her, limiting her freedom. Although she enters a romantic relationship with Matt Murdock, Wilson Fisk decided to have her father killed and, because of his motto of killing the entire family, made her a target as well. After he father is killed in front of her, Elektra, thinking Daredevil responsible, shoots at him before her gun empties and she breaks down into tears over her father's dead body. Now without either parent, Elektra ends her relationship with Matt to focus on revenge. She hunts down and mortally wounds Daredevil, only to learn he is Matt and the real killer, Bullseye, is watching her. Despite her best efforts, Elektra is humiliated and murdered by the insane hitman. After being forced to look him in the eye and, in the director's cut, being kissed by Bullseye, Elektra could only give Matt a weak "help me" before dying. Resurrected by a man named Stick, Elektra was cast out of his school due to being unable to let go of her rage. Although she does overcome her issues, she is still alone in the world, and due to her film's poor reception and the Daredevil rights returned to Marvel, never reunited with the man she loves or able to claim her revenge.
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Let's face it, Matt Murdock has it bad. He’s only outdone by [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]].

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Let's face it, Matt Murdock has it bad. He’s He's perhaps only outdone by [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]].
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* Meta example: Creator/MichaelClarkeDuncan, the actor who portrayed Kingpin, passed away in September 3rd 2012 due to a heart attack which he suffered since July 2012 and never fully healed.
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* Meta example: Creator/MichaelClarkDuncan, the actor who portrayed Kingpin, passed away in September 3rd 2012 due to a heart attack which he suffered since July 2012 and never fully healed.

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* Meta example: Creator/MichaelClarkDuncan, Creator/MichaelClarkeDuncan, the actor who portrayed Kingpin, passed away in September 3rd 2012 due to a heart attack which he suffered since July 2012 and never fully healed.
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Let's face it, Matt Murdock usually has it even worse than [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Peter Parker]].

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Let's face it, Matt Murdock usually has it even worse than [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Peter Parker]].
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* Matt's internal monologue about his father's death, and how it deeply affected him for years.
-->I waited outside the Olympic for my father. In some ways, I'm still waiting. Nobody cared much about the death of a washed-up prizefighter... nobody but me.
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* This incarnation of Elektra Natchios, [[AdaptationalHeroism unlike the version seen in the comics]], was just a young woman who rarely had good things happen to her. As shown in this film and her [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own spin-off]], her entire life seemed like pure struggle. As a child, her father put her through rigorous training that only worsened at age 5, when she saw her mother murdered before her eyes, her innocent mind imagined a demon killing her. As she grew older, her father put her through a different sensei each year and still had security watch over her, limiting her freedom. Although she enters a romantic relationship with Matt Murdock, Wilson Fisk decided to have her father killed and, because of his motto of killing the entire family, made her a target as well. After he father is killed in front of her, Elektra, thinking Daredevil responsible, shoots at him before her gun empties and she breaks down into tears over her father's dead body. Now without either parent, Elektra ends her relationship with Matt to focus on revenge. She hunts down and mortally wounds Daredevil, only to learn he is Matt and the real killer, Bullseye, is watching her. Despite her best efforts, Elektra is humiliated and murdered by the insane hitman. After being forced to look him in the eye and, in the director's cut, being kissed by Bullseye, Elektra could only give Matt a weak "help me" before dying. Resurrected by a man named Stick, Elektra was cast out of his school due to being unable to let go of her rage. Although she does overcome her issues, she is still alone in the world, and due to her film's poor reception and the Daredevil rights returned to Marvel, never reunited with the man she loves or able to claim her revenge.
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* ''Daredevil'' arc "Return of the King" has the murder of Wilson "The Kingpin" Fisk's adopted family by Lady Bullseye. Kingpin's realization that no matter how far away he might run, his life will always find a way to drag him down is heartbreaking.

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* Elektra's death. One of the monumental points of Frank Miller's career.



* The arc involving the death of [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Mysterio]]. Taking place JUST after Peter retired as Spider-Man Mysterio is dying and just wants to show everyone he's not a joke yet Matt keeps brushing off his attempts and lists off why his plans are just rehashes. Break him by driving him mad? Kingpin already did that. Mess with him spiritually? Armageddon already did that with the X-Men. And at the end of it Mysterio just says 'I guess I'll rip off Kraven now' and shoots himself in the head. One of the saddest lines from him were directed at Matt which were "If people think I'm a C-List villain. Might as well take down a C-List Spider-Man."

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* The Guardian Devil, the arc involving the death of [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Mysterio]]. Mysterio]] as written by Kevin Smith. Taking place JUST after Peter retired as Spider-Man Spider-Man, Mysterio is dying and just wants to show everyone he's not a joke joke, yet Matt keeps brushing off his attempts and lists off why his plans are just rehashes. Break him by driving him mad? Kingpin already did that. Mess with him spiritually? Armageddon already did that with the X-Men. And at the end of it Mysterio just says 'I guess I'll rip off Kraven now' and shoots himself in the head. One of the saddest lines from him were directed at Matt which were "If people think I'm a C-List villain. Might as well take down a C-List Spider-Man.""
** The arc itself is also hellfire for Matt- Karen gets a false diagnosis of HIV, and then dies in the crossfire of a fight between Matt and Bullseye, Foggy nearly loses his mind thanks to Mysterio making him think he killed someone, and Matt himself ruins his friendship with Black Widow, though he reconciles with her at the end.
* Matt's love life is almost ''comically'' tragic- Karen and Elektra both die at the hands of Bullseye, Echo was killed by a brainwashed Elektra, Heather Glenn committed suicide after she felt Matt was ignoring her and she spiralled into a drug problem, Glorianna O'Brien is killed by one of Kingpin's assassins and Milla Donovan, who was driven insane by Mister Fear. Matt's only healthy relationships where both people ''lived'' after they broke up were with Typhoid Mary, a schizophrenic who frequently tried to kill him, and Black Widow, a former Red Room assassin.



* Meta example: Creator/MichaelClarkDuncan, the actor who portrayed Kingpin, has passed away in September 3rd 2012, due to heart attack which he suffered since July 2012 and never fully healed.

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* Mister Fear driving Milla insane, and Matt trying so hard to find the cure for her that he actually ends up not being there for Milla... and it turns out there's no cure.
* When the Kingpin leaves New York after Vanessa's death, he finds a new love called Marta, and he bonds with her and her children. But he keeps thinking to himself that his happiness is fleeting, and that he'll lose them. But after months of living this way, he eventually stops thinking like this, mostly... then Lady Bullseye shows up with the Hand and kills them. Kingpin's response? "Yes... Yes, of course." The man has experienced so much tragedy that, even when enraged, it doesn't even surprise him anymore.
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Let's face it, Matt Murdock usually has it even worse than [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Peter Parker]].

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