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** Since WWII most of the developed world has shifted from using large conscripted armies in times on conflict to smaller all-volunteer forces. So as the number of soldiers in the field has decreased, so too have cases of PTSD. On the other hand, mental illness is losing the stigma it once had and more people are actually discussing it publicly, leading to an appearance of it being more prevalent.

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** Since WWII most of the developed world has shifted from using large conscripted armies in times on of conflict to smaller all-volunteer forces. So as the number of soldiers in the field has decreased, so too have cases of PTSD. On the other hand, mental illness is losing the stigma it once had and more people are actually discussing it publicly, leading to an appearance of it being more prevalent.


** Since WWII most of the developed world has shifted from using large conscripted armies in times on conflict to smaller all volunteer forces. So as the number of soldiers in the field has decreased, so too have cases of PTSD. On the other hand, mental illness is losing the stigma it once had and more people are actually discussing it publicly, leading to an appearance of it being more prevalent.
* There's a saying among veterans and survivors of horror ordeals: There Last Night. As in: a discussion between two vets where one would say they were in Vietnam in '68, and the other might reply, "Mate, I was there last night." For some, they can never let it go. The tragic real life trope of Shellshocked Veteran led to the forming of groups such as Legacy.

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** Since WWII most of the developed world has shifted from using large conscripted armies in times on conflict to smaller all volunteer all-volunteer forces. So as the number of soldiers in the field has decreased, so too have cases of PTSD. On the other hand, mental illness is losing the stigma it once had and more people are actually discussing it publicly, leading to an appearance of it being more prevalent.
* There's a saying among veterans and survivors of horror ordeals: There Last Night. As in: a discussion between two vets where one would say they were in Vietnam in '68, and the other might reply, "Mate, I was there last night." For some, they can never let it go. The tragic real life real-life trope of Shellshocked Veteran led to the forming of groups such as Legacy.



** These pre-offensive bombardments gave a name to a condition which had already become apparent among the troops when (after the 'Christmas Truce' of 1914) 'Trench Raids', constant sniping, and sporadic artillery 'harassment' bombardments became commonplace. While a soldier at a typical section of front might only be at the front lines for eight hours a day (including lunch/dinner), six days a week, this was still more than enough that many soldiers simply snapped from the pressure and suffered mental and emotional breakdowns. Fortunately for most of them, their immediate superiors shared their burdens and tried to be as understanding as they could and looked the other way. Unfortunately, several hundred of the millions who served ultimately were shot for 'cowardice' that we today would recognise as stemming from acute mental distress. Unsurprisingly the British and Russians, who had the most recent experience with warfare, treated the problem with the most sympathy and the French and Germans, who had the least and strong traditions of martial pride to boot (more so in the French case), the least. German non-recognition of the existence of 'Shell Shock' would ultimately continue until after World War Two.

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** These pre-offensive bombardments gave a name to a condition which that had already become apparent among the troops when (after the 'Christmas Truce' of 1914) 'Trench Raids', constant sniping, and sporadic artillery 'harassment' bombardments became commonplace. While a soldier at a typical section of front might only be at the front lines for eight hours a day (including lunch/dinner), six days a week, this was still more than enough that many soldiers simply snapped from the pressure and suffered mental and emotional breakdowns. Fortunately for most of them, their immediate superiors shared their burdens and tried to be as understanding as they could and looked the other way. Unfortunately, several hundred of the millions who served ultimately were shot for 'cowardice' that we today would recognise as stemming from acute mental distress. Unsurprisingly the British and Russians, who had the most recent experience with warfare, treated the problem with the most sympathy and the French and Germans, who had the least and strong traditions of martial pride to boot (more so in the French case), the least. German non-recognition of the existence of 'Shell Shock' would ultimately continue until after World War Two.



* During World War II, General George Patton infamously [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Slapping_incidents_and_aftermath slapped and verbally abused]] two soldiers suffering from "battle fatigue" as PTSD was known then. Public reaction was mixed, but Eisenhower privately reprimanded him and forced him to personally apologize to the soldiers, which he did. He retained his job due to the needs of war, but did not command an army for 11 months (missing the Normandy landings).

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* During World War II, General George Patton infamously [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Slapping_incidents_and_aftermath slapped and verbally abused]] two soldiers suffering from "battle fatigue" as PTSD was known then. Public reaction was mixed, but Eisenhower privately reprimanded him and forced him to personally apologize to the soldiers, which he did. He retained his job due to the needs of war, war but did not command an army for 11 months (missing the Normandy landings).



** He also said that bombing the Murrah Federal Building was funadmentally no different than the government bombing any other target, and that he "did not write the rules of engagement".

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** He also said that bombing the Murrah Federal Building was funadmentally fundamentally no different than the government bombing any other target, target and that he "did not write the rules of engagement".



* [[Series/BandOfBrothers Capt. Herbert Sobel]], the original commander of Easy Company of the 101st airborne Division proved to be an excellent soldier for training men, but a piss poor commander which caused his company's NCO's to revolt. This led to him to be removed from command. [[note]]Nowadays, captains in charge of training companies are taught to be polite and kind to recruits whereas almost everyone else treats them like dirt. Officers are expected to hold themselves to a more respectable standard which Sobel didn't do during his company's entire training period, which partially led to his NCO's mass revolt. Furthermore, NCO's in newly trained companies nowadays aren't trained at the same time as their subordinates, but tend to have at least several years in service first.[[/note]] Due to this and the horrors of war, he would later attempt suicide, but botched it and severed his optic nerves leaving him blind for the last 20 years of his life. He would later die due to gross negligence in a nursing home/mental health facility. Sadly, despite having reached the rank of Lt. Col by the end of his career, Easy Company never really forgave him. Thus, they excluded him from all their reunions and correspondences except for one man who paid for his veteran fees, but never interacted with the man besides that.

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* [[Series/BandOfBrothers Capt. Herbert Sobel]], the original commander of Easy Company of the 101st airborne Airborne Division proved to be an excellent soldier for training men, but a piss poor commander which caused his company's NCO's to revolt. This led to him to be being removed from command. [[note]]Nowadays, captains in charge of training companies are taught to be polite and kind to recruits whereas almost everyone else treats them like dirt. Officers are expected to hold themselves to a more respectable standard which Sobel didn't do during his company's entire training period, which partially led to his NCO's mass revolt. Furthermore, NCO's in newly trained companies nowadays aren't trained at the same time as their subordinates, subordinates but tend to have at least several years in service first.[[/note]] Due to this and the horrors of war, he would later attempt suicide, but botched it and severed his optic nerves leaving him blind for the last 20 years of his life. He would later die due to gross negligence in a nursing home/mental health facility. Sadly, despite having reached the rank of Lt. Col by the end of his career, Easy Company never really forgave him. Thus, they excluded him from all their reunions and correspondences except for one man who paid for his veteran fees, fees but never interacted with the man besides that.



* Arnold Ridley, better known as Pvt. Godfrey from Series/DadsArmy, was in the British Infantry at the Battle of the Somme, and would suffer PTSD for the rest of his life, including almost killing his son who had woken Ridley from a nightmare. How much his character Godfrey's pacifism and experiences at the Somme were developed from Ridley's own is unknown.

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* Arnold Ridley, better known as Pvt. Godfrey from Series/DadsArmy, ''Series/DadsArmy'', was in the British Infantry at the Battle of the Somme, Somme and would suffer PTSD for the rest of his life, including almost killing his son who had woken Ridley from a nightmare. How much his character Godfrey's pacifism and experiences at the Somme were developed from Ridley's own is unknown.


* Football legend Kenny Dalglish was unfortunate enough to "be there" at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster Hillsborough in 1989]] (the worst British football disaster ''ever''), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster Heysel in 1985]] ''and'' at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Ibrox_disaster Ibrox in 1971]] (the worst British football disaster ''before'' Hillsborough). ''Kenny'', a biopic film, explored the effects the three disasters had on him subconsciously (Dalglish, perhaps unsurprisingly, spoke very little about his thoughts on these horrific events.) When Liverpool MP Steve Rotheram announced he would submit an Early Day Motion to have Dalglish knighted, he noted "It is common knowledge it (Hillsborough) affected him deeply".

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* Football legend Kenny Dalglish was unfortunate enough to "be there" at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster Hillsborough in 1989]] (the worst British football disaster ''ever''), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster Heysel in 1985]] ''and'' at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Ibrox_disaster Ibrox in 1971]] (the worst British football disaster ''before'' Hillsborough). ''Kenny'', a biopic film, explored the effects the three disasters had on him subconsciously (Dalglish, perhaps unsurprisingly, spoke very little about his thoughts on these horrific events.) When Liverpool MP Steve Rotheram announced he would submit an Early Day Motion to have Dalglish knighted, he noted "It is common knowledge it (Hillsborough) affected him deeply".deeply".
* Arnold Ridley, better known as Pvt. Godfrey from Series/DadsArmy, was in the British Infantry at the Battle of the Somme, and would suffer PTSD for the rest of his life, including almost killing his son who had woken Ridley from a nightmare. How much his character Godfrey's pacifism and experiences at the Somme were developed from Ridley's own is unknown.


* First responders at the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting Pulse Nightclub massacre]] all ended up suffering PTSD, with the most common trigger being the sound of a cell phone ringing, due to the victims' phones constantly ringing, as the victims' loved ones were trying to contact them.

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* First responders at the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting Pulse Nightclub massacre]] all ended up suffering PTSD, with the most common trigger being the sound of a cell phone ringing, due to the victims' phones constantly ringing, as the victims' loved ones were trying to contact them.them.
*Football legend Kenny Dalglish was unfortunate enough to "be there" at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster Hillsborough in 1989]] (the worst British football disaster ''ever''), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster Heysel in 1985]] ''and'' at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Ibrox_disaster Ibrox in 1971]] (the worst British football disaster ''before'' Hillsborough). ''Kenny'', a biopic film, explored the effects the three disasters had on him subconsciously (Dalglish, perhaps unsurprisingly, spoke very little about his thoughts on these horrific events.) When Liverpool MP Steve Rotheram announced he would submit an Early Day Motion to have Dalglish knighted, he noted "It is common knowledge it (Hillsborough) affected him deeply".


** These pre-offensive bombardments gave a name to a condition which had already become apparent among the troops when (after the 'Christmas Truce' of 1914) 'Trench Raids', constant sniping, and sporadic artillery 'harassment' bombardments became commonplace. While a soldier at a typical section of front might only be at the front lines for eight hours a day (including lunch/dinner), six days a week, this was still more than enough that many soldiers simply snapped from the pressure and suffered mental and emotional breakdowns. Fortunately for most of them, their immediate superiors shared their burdens and tried to be as understanding as they could and looked the other way. Unfortunately, several hundred of the millions who served ultimately were shot for 'cowardice' that we today would recognise as stemming from acute mental distress. Unsurprisingly the British and Russians, who had the most recent experience with warfare, treated the problem with the most sympathy and the French and Germans, who had the least and strong traditions of martial pride to boot (more so in the French case), the least. German non-recognition of the existence of 'Shell Shock' would ultimately continue until after of World War Two.

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** These pre-offensive bombardments gave a name to a condition which had already become apparent among the troops when (after the 'Christmas Truce' of 1914) 'Trench Raids', constant sniping, and sporadic artillery 'harassment' bombardments became commonplace. While a soldier at a typical section of front might only be at the front lines for eight hours a day (including lunch/dinner), six days a week, this was still more than enough that many soldiers simply snapped from the pressure and suffered mental and emotional breakdowns. Fortunately for most of them, their immediate superiors shared their burdens and tried to be as understanding as they could and looked the other way. Unfortunately, several hundred of the millions who served ultimately were shot for 'cowardice' that we today would recognise as stemming from acute mental distress. Unsurprisingly the British and Russians, who had the most recent experience with warfare, treated the problem with the most sympathy and the French and Germans, who had the least and strong traditions of martial pride to boot (more so in the French case), the least. German non-recognition of the existence of 'Shell Shock' would ultimately continue until after of World War Two.

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* Creator/PatrickStewart's father was a soldier in World War II who suffered from "combat fatigue" (what we now know as PTSD) after finishing his service. Stewart believes that his father's PTSD was a contributing factor in his [[DomesticAbuse abusive behavior]].


* [[Series/BandOfBrothers Capt. Herbert Sobel]], the original commander of Easy Company of the 101st airborne Division proved to be an excellent soldier for training men, but a piss poor commander which caused his company's NCO's to revolt. This led to him to be removed from command. [[note]]Nowadays, captains in charge of training companies are taught to be polite and kind to recruits whereas almost everyone else treats them like dirt. Officers are expected to hold themselves to a more respectable standard which Sobel didn't do during his company's entire training period, which partially led to his NCO's mass revolt. Furthermore, NCO's in newly trained companies nowadays aren't trained at the same time as their subordinates, but tend to have at least several years in service first.[[/note]] Due to this and the horrors of war, he would later attempt suicide, but botched it and severed his optic nerves leaving him blind for the last 20 years of his life. He would later die due to gross negligence in a nursing home/mental health facility. Sadly, despite having reached the rank of Lt. Col by the end of his career, Easy Company never really forgave him. Thus, they excluded him from all their reunions and correspondences except for one man who paid for his veteran fees, but never interacted with the man besides that.

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* [[Series/BandOfBrothers Capt. Herbert Sobel]], the original commander of Easy Company of the 101st airborne Division proved to be an excellent soldier for training men, but a piss poor commander which caused his company's NCO's to revolt. This led to him to be removed from command. [[note]]Nowadays, captains in charge of training companies are taught to be polite and kind to recruits whereas almost everyone else treats them like dirt. Officers are expected to hold themselves to a more respectable standard which Sobel didn't do during his company's entire training period, which partially led to his NCO's mass revolt. Furthermore, NCO's in newly trained companies nowadays aren't trained at the same time as their subordinates, but tend to have at least several years in service first.[[/note]] Due to this and the horrors of war, he would later attempt suicide, but botched it and severed his optic nerves leaving him blind for the last 20 years of his life. He would later die due to gross negligence in a nursing home/mental health facility. Sadly, despite having reached the rank of Lt. Col by the end of his career, Easy Company never really forgave him. Thus, they excluded him from all their reunions and correspondences except for one man who paid for his veteran fees, but never interacted with the man besides that.that.
* First responders at the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting Pulse Nightclub massacre]] all ended up suffering PTSD, with the most common trigger being the sound of a cell phone ringing, due to the victims' phones constantly ringing, as the victims' loved ones were trying to contact them.

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* During World War II, General George Patton infamously [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Slapping_incidents_and_aftermath slapped and verbally abused]] two soldiers suffering from "battle fatigue" as PTSD was known then. Public reaction was mixed, but Eisenhower privately reprimanded him and forced him to personally apologize to the soldiers, which he did. He retained his job due to the needs of war, but did not command an army for 11 months (missing the Normandy landings).

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** Since WWII most of the developed world has shifted from using large conscripted armies in times on conflict to smaller all volunteer forces. So as the number of soldiers in the field has decreased, so too have cases of PTSD. On the other hand, mental illness is losing the stigma it once had and more people are actually discussing it publicly, leading to an appearance of it being more prevalent.


* The term 'shell shock' originates in part from the trenches of the First World War. (Artillery) 'Destruction' doctrine was pioneered by the French in 1916 and entailed that "the artillery destroys, the infantry occupies." Accordingly the French and their allies/subordinates (the French retained military and political command throughout the war) attempted to utterly destroy the entirety of the enemy's tactical defenses in zones up to twenty kilometres wide and five kilometres deep through bombardments as long as a week in which a million rounds -- and in one case, the Commonwealth's ''Paschendaele'' campaign of 1917, ''four million'' -- were fired by at least five hundred and as many as two thousand artillery pieces firing at a rate of at least one every few seconds. If you were one of the up to fifty thousand soldiers on the receiving end of an Entente bombardment you might have to go thirsty and possibly hungry and live in filthy conditions for a week knowing that you could die at any moment [[note]] Whether you were taking shelter in a trench or shell hole (i.e. ''anything'' could kill you if it landed close enough) or in a bunker (if a medium-- or heavy-- artillery piece hit it, or just caved it in and buried you alive with no-one able to dig you out). Hell, you didn't even have to be killed outright to die in that time-- all it would take would be getting wounded, with no possibility of you getting medical care while you bled out or the wound slowly went septic and you died of infection [[/note]]. Germany and Austria-Hungary used Artillery 'Suppression' doctrine (the artillery suppresses, to help the infantry assault) instead, so their bombardments would only ever last for five hours at the very most, but all bombardments were highly stressful experiences: when the bombardment stopped, and you had no idea when that'd be, you would have to fight for your life against the attacking enemy infantry.

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* The term 'shell shock' originates in part from the trenches of the First World War. (Artillery) 'Destruction' doctrine was pioneered by the French in 1916 and entailed that "the artillery destroys, the infantry occupies." Accordingly the French and their allies/subordinates (the French retained military and political command throughout the war) attempted to utterly destroy the entirety of the enemy's tactical defenses in zones up to twenty kilometres wide and five kilometres deep through bombardments as long as a week in which a million rounds -- and in one case, the Commonwealth's ''Paschendaele'' campaign of 1917, ''four million'' -- were fired by at least five hundred and as many as two thousand artillery pieces firing at a rate of at least one every few seconds. If you were one of the up to fifty thousand soldiers on the receiving end of an Entente bombardment you might have to go thirsty and possibly hungry and live in filthy conditions for a week knowing that you could die at any moment [[note]] Whether you were taking shelter in a trench or shell hole (i.e. ''anything'' could kill you if it landed close enough) or in a bunker (if a medium-- or heavy-- artillery piece hit it, or just caved it in and buried you alive with no-one able to dig you out). Hell, you didn't even have to be killed outright to die in that time-- all it would take would be getting wounded, with no possibility of you getting medical care while you bled out or the wound slowly went septic and you died of infection [[/note]]. Germany and Austria-Hungary used Artillery 'Suppression' doctrine (the artillery suppresses, to help the infantry assault) instead, so their bombardments would only ever last for five hours at the very most, but all bombardments were highly stressful experiences: when the bombardment stopped, and you had no idea when that'd be, you would have to fight for your life against the attacking enemy infantry. Made worse by artillery barrages pausing and then resuming in an attempt to catch soldiers who would leave shelters to man the lines in case of enemy attack. Doubly worse when artillery started lobbing shells full of chemical agents.


* [[http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/peter_worthington/2010/06/11/14354816.html It is worth noting that there are soldiers who are not psychopaths or sociopaths yet are somehow 'immune' to PTSD, or at least able to behave normally after the end of the conflict]]. While there are undoubtedly a large number of people who suffer from PTSD, there are also people who, despite having been put into high-stress situations and lost friends, can still live the rest of their lives without suffering any symptoms of PTSD. They may just have more psychological resilience than most people, but the answer is still unclear.

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* [[http://www.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20100617044051/http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/peter_worthington/2010/06/11/14354816.html It is worth noting that there are soldiers who are not psychopaths or sociopaths yet are somehow 'immune' to PTSD, or at least able to behave normally after the end of the conflict]]. While there are undoubtedly a large number of people who suffer from PTSD, there are also people who, despite having been put into high-stress situations and lost friends, can still live the rest of their lives without suffering any symptoms of PTSD. They may just have more psychological resilience than most people, but the answer is still unclear.

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* Oklahoma City bomber Timothy Mcveigh was a veteran of Operation Desert Storm and suffered from PTSD. Having to kill Iraqis merely at government behest, as well as the massacres at Ruby Ridge and Waco, is what caused him to view the US government as an enemy and sent him over the edge.
**He said of killing Iraqis: “They were human beings at the core. They were no different than me. Then I had to reconcile with that the fact that, well, I killed them."
** He also said that bombing the Murrah Federal Building was funadmentally no different than the government bombing any other target, and that he "did not write the rules of engagement".


* [[LiveActionTV/BandOfBrothers Capt. Herbert Sobel]], the original commander of Easy Company of the 101st airborne Division proved to be an excellent soldier for training men, but a piss poor commander which caused his company's NCO's to revolt. This led to him to be removed from command. [[note]]Nowadays, captains in charge of training companies are taught to be polite and kind to recruits whereas almost everyone else treats them like dirt. Officers are expected to hold themselves to a more respectable standard which Sobel didn't do during his company's entire training period, which partially led to his NCO's mass revolt. Furthermore, NCO's in newly trained companies nowadays aren't trained at the same time as their subordinates, but tend to have at least several years in service first.[[/note]] Due to this and the horrors of war, he would later attempt suicide, but botched it and severed his optic nerves leaving him blind for the last 20 years of his life. He would later die due to gross negligence in a nursing home/mental health facility. Sadly, despite having reached the rank of Lt. Col by the end of his career, Easy Company never really forgave him. Thus, they excluded him from all their reunions and correspondences except for one man who paid for his veteran fees, but never interacted with the man besides that.

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* [[LiveActionTV/BandOfBrothers [[Series/BandOfBrothers Capt. Herbert Sobel]], the original commander of Easy Company of the 101st airborne Division proved to be an excellent soldier for training men, but a piss poor commander which caused his company's NCO's to revolt. This led to him to be removed from command. [[note]]Nowadays, captains in charge of training companies are taught to be polite and kind to recruits whereas almost everyone else treats them like dirt. Officers are expected to hold themselves to a more respectable standard which Sobel didn't do during his company's entire training period, which partially led to his NCO's mass revolt. Furthermore, NCO's in newly trained companies nowadays aren't trained at the same time as their subordinates, but tend to have at least several years in service first.[[/note]] Due to this and the horrors of war, he would later attempt suicide, but botched it and severed his optic nerves leaving him blind for the last 20 years of his life. He would later die due to gross negligence in a nursing home/mental health facility. Sadly, despite having reached the rank of Lt. Col by the end of his career, Easy Company never really forgave him. Thus, they excluded him from all their reunions and correspondences except for one man who paid for his veteran fees, but never interacted with the man besides that.


* It's unfortunately common in a WretchedHive (or the WrongSideOfTheTracks in part of a city), especially with lots of gang violence and a lax police force -- children and teenagers are frequently scarred from the deaths of their friends and family members, and are sometimes [[JustifiedCriminal forced to participate in criminal activities]] ''themselves'' through self-defense or lack of money. It's noted that in some ways, PTSD from living somewhere is even ''worse'' than combat -- soldiers at least have the option to go home, but people who are ''already'' home have nowhere to go.

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* It's unfortunately common in a WretchedHive (or the WrongSideOfTheTracks in part of a city), especially with lots of gang violence and a lax police force -- children and teenagers are frequently scarred from the deaths of their friends and family members, and are sometimes [[JustifiedCriminal forced to participate in criminal activities]] ''themselves'' through self-defense or lack of money. It's noted that in some ways, PTSD from living somewhere is even ''worse'' than combat -- soldiers at least have the option to go home, but people who are ''already'' home have nowhere to go.go.
* [[LiveActionTV/BandOfBrothers Capt. Herbert Sobel]], the original commander of Easy Company of the 101st airborne Division proved to be an excellent soldier for training men, but a piss poor commander which caused his company's NCO's to revolt. This led to him to be removed from command. [[note]]Nowadays, captains in charge of training companies are taught to be polite and kind to recruits whereas almost everyone else treats them like dirt. Officers are expected to hold themselves to a more respectable standard which Sobel didn't do during his company's entire training period, which partially led to his NCO's mass revolt. Furthermore, NCO's in newly trained companies nowadays aren't trained at the same time as their subordinates, but tend to have at least several years in service first.[[/note]] Due to this and the horrors of war, he would later attempt suicide, but botched it and severed his optic nerves leaving him blind for the last 20 years of his life. He would later die due to gross negligence in a nursing home/mental health facility. Sadly, despite having reached the rank of Lt. Col by the end of his career, Easy Company never really forgave him. Thus, they excluded him from all their reunions and correspondences except for one man who paid for his veteran fees, but never interacted with the man besides that.


* Sadly every war in the history of mankind will at least have one of these.
** This trope is OlderThanFeudalism as archeologists have found clay tablets dating from the Assyrian Empire recording that soldiers coming back from war suffered from nightmares consisting of people they killed in battle coming back to haunt them.

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* Sadly Sadly, every war in the history of mankind will at least have one of these.
** This trope is OlderThanFeudalism as archeologists have found clay tablets dating from the Assyrian Empire recording that soldiers coming back from war suffered from nightmares consisting of people they they've killed in battle coming back to haunt them.



* At once more and less prevalent than it used to be. War is no longer so much about hacking apart other people at arm's length or closer, and more advanced weapons tend to make for less in-your-face combat, which takes some of the edge off. But those weapons are also far more lethal, more diverse and more easily made or obtained than ever before. The last century in particular has seen the advent of 'total war' and the rise of guerrilla warfare, which has redefined the relationship of civilians to warfare in a way that just asks for atrocities to happen.

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* At once more and less prevalent than it used to be. War is no longer so much about hacking apart other people at arm's length or closer, and more advanced weapons tend to make for less in-your-face combat, which takes some of the edge off. But those weapons are also far more lethal, more diverse and more easily made or obtained than ever before. The last century century, in particular particular, has seen the advent of 'total war' and the rise of guerrilla warfare, which has redefined the relationship of civilians to warfare in a way that just asks for atrocities to happen.



* One of (many) reasons why the French were so ill-prepared to resist the Nazis in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII may be attributed to nationwide trauma following UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Even though France ultimately won, [[PyrrhicVictory the cost of victory was so terrible]] that the French had nearly lost all appetite for war. Around 8 million Frenchmen (two fifths of the country's pre-war male population) fought in the war; about 1.3 million died, while another 4 million had been injured. The sheer number of men lost coupled with the physical and mental scars of the war led to a population decline for nearly three decades. By 1940, the population of France was 40 million, which was roughly the same as it was in 1914.
** What made the problem worse was that, after being wounded, a French soldier's ordeal had only just begun. French military medicine, never robust, often collapsed under the strain of UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, with many soldiers placed in hideously unsanitary conditions and forced to endure the functional equivalent of RoadsideSurgery in the unlikely event they survived to reach the rear. The sheer trauma and horror French wounded experienced contributed mightily to the 1917 mutinies and the lasting mistrust against the French government afterwards.

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* One of (many) reasons why the French were so ill-prepared to resist the Nazis in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII may be attributed to nationwide trauma following UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Even though France ultimately won, [[PyrrhicVictory the cost of victory was so terrible]] that the French had nearly lost all appetite for war. Around 8 million Frenchmen (two fifths (two-fifths of the country's pre-war male population) fought in the war; about 1.3 million died, while another 4 million had been injured. The sheer number of men lost coupled with the physical and mental scars of the war led to a population decline for nearly three decades. By 1940, the population of France was 40 million, which was roughly the same as it was in 1914.
** What made the problem worse was that, after being wounded, a French soldier's ordeal had only just begun. French military medicine, never robust, often collapsed under the strain of UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, with many soldiers placed in hideously unsanitary conditions and forced to endure the functional equivalent of RoadsideSurgery in the unlikely event they survived to reach the rear. The sheer trauma and horror French wounded experienced contributed mightily to the 1917 mutinies and the lasting mistrust against the French government afterwards.afterward.



** Not surprising; in real-life, people don't ever recover from or "get over" PTSD. They must learn to ''live with'' PTSD (which sucks for all concerned), because those ravages never go away. Sort of like cancer's remission. Tragically, in many cases, a UsefulNotes/{{trigger}}, a return to battle, a social situation requiring subtle grasp of nuance, or a random startle will instantly ratchet a sufferer right back up to their ''highest ever'' -- and most unbearable, undefusable, and unmitigated -- levels of PTSD symptoms.

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** Not surprising; in real-life, people don't ever recover from or "get over" PTSD. They must learn to ''live with'' PTSD (which sucks for all concerned), concerned) because those ravages never go away. Sort of like cancer's remission. Tragically, in many cases, a UsefulNotes/{{trigger}}, a return to battle, a social situation requiring subtle grasp of nuance, or a random startle will instantly ratchet a sufferer right back up to their ''highest ever'' -- and most unbearable, undefusable, and unmitigated -- levels of PTSD symptoms.



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roméo_Dallaire Roméo Dallaire]], one of the most admired people in Canada, commanded UN forces in Rwanda during the genocide there and is credited with helping to save 32,000 lives. He later had problems with depression and alcohol, including a suicide attempt. He is often cited as an example of a strong and heroic person who was nevertheless vulnerable to PTSD, and has spoken about it publicly in order to destigmatize the condition.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roméo_Dallaire Roméo Dallaire]], one of the most admired people in Canada, commanded UN forces in Rwanda during the genocide there and is credited with helping to save 32,000 lives. He later had problems with depression and alcohol, including a suicide attempt. He is often cited as an example of a strong and heroic person who was nevertheless vulnerable to PTSD, PTSD and has spoken about it publicly in order to destigmatize the condition.



** Other factors also greatly reduce or prevent PTSD. They include acknowledgement of the person's experience (it goes a surprisingly long way just to help the person know that they aren't flawed for feeling the way they do), having social support, and no previous history of mental illness. Also, the older a person is when the traumatic experience happens, the less likely they are to develop PTSD, possibly because they have established ways of coping with the trauma and context for what is happening to them.

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** Other factors also greatly reduce or prevent PTSD. They include acknowledgement acknowledgment of the person's experience (it goes a surprisingly long way just to help the person know that they aren't flawed for feeling the way they do), having social support, and no previous history of mental illness. Also, the older a person is when the traumatic experience happens, the less likely they are to develop PTSD, possibly because they have established ways of coping with the trauma and context for what is happening to them.



* Creator/IshiroHonda, the creator of the ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'' series, became this after World War II. He was originally a optimistic man with a positive outlook on life. Alas, World War II happened, and he became a foot soldier. When he saw Hiroshima after it was hit by the Little Boy atom bomb, his life changed forever. Since then, ''Film/Godzilla1954'' was based on his PTSD of Hiroshima, and plenty of his films will end in a BittersweetEnding.

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* Creator/IshiroHonda, the creator of the ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'' series, became this after World War II. He was originally a an optimistic man with a positive outlook on life. Alas, World War II happened, and he became a foot soldier. When he saw Hiroshima after it was hit by the Little Boy atom bomb, his life changed forever. Since then, ''Film/Godzilla1954'' was based on his PTSD of Hiroshima, and plenty of his films will end in a BittersweetEnding.



* UsefulNotes/UlyssesSGrant is also a likely sufferer of PTSD. He cried in his tent after every battle he commanded, and was so nauseated by the sight of blood that he couldn't eat undercooked meat.

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* UsefulNotes/UlyssesSGrant is also a likely sufferer of PTSD. He cried in his tent after every battle he commanded, commanded and was so nauseated by the sight of blood that he couldn't eat undercooked meat.



* Charles White Whittlesey was the commander of The Lost Battalion in World War I. After the war, he received the Medal of Honor, and was much in demand for speeches and parades. Three years after the war he committed suicide. We don't know why exactly, but this trope seems like a pretty good guess.

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* Charles White Whittlesey was the commander of The Lost Battalion in World War I. After the war, he received the Medal of Honor, Honor and was much in demand for speeches and parades. Three years after the war he committed suicide. We don't know why exactly, but this trope seems like a pretty good guess.



* There was a psychologist who worked with autistic war veterans who had PTSD, but didn't get it from combat as one would expect. They had it because they had been bullied as children so badly that they had lasting psychological trauma from it.
* While talking about PTSD and Battle Fatigue was taboo in [=WW2=], not every unit treated it lightly. The 8th Air Force for example decided very shortly after commencing regular daylight raids on Occupied Europe (and the maiming of bomber formations that came with it), that after a crew flew so many missions, they were to be sent home. And while 24 missions sounded good on paper, before [[CoolPlane P51 Mustangs]] started taking the bombers all the way to their targets and back, it was seen as almost impossible. On top of that, many German pilots specifically targeted bombers that had a large number of missions to try and break the will of the crews. Needless to say, the fact that ''any'' bomber crew hit the magic number before 1944 can be counted as a major miracle.

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* There was a psychologist who worked with autistic war veterans who had PTSD, PTSD but didn't get it from combat as one would expect. They had it because they had been bullied as children so badly that they had lasting psychological trauma from it.
* While talking about PTSD and Battle Fatigue was taboo in [=WW2=], not every unit treated it lightly. The 8th Air Force Force, for example example, decided very shortly after commencing regular daylight raids on Occupied Europe (and the maiming of bomber formations that came with it), that after a crew flew so many missions, they were to be sent home. And while 24 missions sounded good on paper, before [[CoolPlane P51 Mustangs]] started taking the bombers all the way to their targets and back, it was seen as almost impossible. On top of that, many German pilots specifically targeted bombers that had a large number of missions to try and break the will of the crews. Needless to say, the fact that ''any'' bomber crew hit the magic number before 1944 can be counted as a major miracle.



* Tragically, post-traumatic stress disorder can develop, not only in war, concentration camps and prisons, ''but even in elementary schools''. Severe [[TheBully bullying and violence]] can cause children so dire emotional and psychological stress that they develop fully-fledged PTSD ''already in their early teens''. The emotional scars of Holocaust survivors and those who have experiences serious bullying in the school are remarkably similar.

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* Tragically, post-traumatic stress disorder can develop, not only in war, concentration camps camps, and prisons, ''but even in elementary schools''. Severe [[TheBully bullying and violence]] can cause children so dire emotional and psychological stress that they develop fully-fledged PTSD ''already in their early teens''. The emotional scars of Holocaust survivors and those who have experiences experienced serious bullying in the school are remarkably similar.



* It's unfortunately common in a WretchedHive (or the WrongSideOfTheTracks in part of a city), especially with lots of gang violence and a lax police force--children and teenagers are frequently scarred from the deaths of their friends and family members, and are sometimes [[JustifiedCriminal forced to participate in criminal activities]] ''themselves'' through self-defense or lack of money. It's noted that in some ways, PTSD from living somewhere is even ''worse'' than combat--soldiers at least have the option to go home, but people who are ALREADY home have nowhere to go.

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* It's unfortunately common in a WretchedHive (or the WrongSideOfTheTracks in part of a city), especially with lots of gang violence and a lax police force--children force -- children and teenagers are frequently scarred from the deaths of their friends and family members, and are sometimes [[JustifiedCriminal forced to participate in criminal activities]] ''themselves'' through self-defense or lack of money. It's noted that in some ways, PTSD from living somewhere is even ''worse'' than combat--soldiers combat -- soldiers at least have the option to go home, but people who are ALREADY ''already'' home have nowhere to go.

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