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-->-- '''Ernst''', ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'', "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS4E106HesAlive He's Alive]]"

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-->-- '''Ernst''', ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'', "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS4E106HesAlive "[[Recap/TheTwilightZone1959S4E4HesAlive He's Alive]]"
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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/CheGuevara''', attributed last words

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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/CheGuevara''', '''UsefulNotes/CheGuevara''''s attributed last words
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->''"The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many and, before this battle is over, that even a [[GodEmperor god-king]] can bleed."''

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->''"The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many and, before this battle is over, that even a [[GodEmperor god-king]] can bleed.[[NotSoInvincibleAfterAll bleed]]."''
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->''"In this historic hour, we German Social Democrats solemnly profess our allegiance to the basic principles of humanity and justice, freedom and socialism. No Enabling Law gives you the right to annihilate ideas that are eternal and indestructible. The Anti-Socialist Law did not annihilate the Social Democrats. Social Democracy can also draw new strength from fresh persecutions. We greet the persecuted and the hard-pressed. Their steadfastness and loyalty deserve admiration. The courage of their convictions, their unbroken confidence, vouch for a brighter future."''

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->''"In this historic hour, we German Social Democrats solemnly profess our allegiance to the basic principles of humanity and justice, freedom and socialism. No Enabling Law gives you the right power to annihilate ideas that are eternal and indestructible. The Anti-Socialist Law did not annihilate the Social Democrats. Social Democracy can also draw new strength from fresh persecutions. We greet the persecuted and the hard-pressed. Their steadfastness and loyalty deserve admiration. The courage of their convictions, their unbroken confidence, vouch for a brighter future."''
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->''"In this historic hour, we German Social Democrats solemnly profess our allegiance to the basic principles of humanity and justice, freedom and socialism. No Enabling Law gives you the right to annihilate ideas that are eternal and indestructible. The Anti-Socialist Law did not annihilate the Social Democrats. Social Democracy can also draw new strength from fresh persecutions. We greet the persecuted and the hard-pressed. Their steadfastness and loyalty deserve admiration. The courage of their convictions, their unbroken confidence, vouch for a brighter future."''
-->-- '''Otto Wels''', chairman of the Social Democratic Party of Germany, opposing the passage of the [[UsefulNotes/WeimarRepublic Enabling Act of 1933]]
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-->-- '''Katniss''', ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjay''

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-->-- '''Katniss''', '''Katniss Everdeen''', ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjay''



-->-- '''Cobb''', ''Film/{{Inception}}''

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-->-- '''Cobb''', '''Dominic Cobb''', ''Film/{{Inception}}''



'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.

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'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, words, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.



->"''It has been dead for a thousand years; but its idea is still alive. Have you ever fought an idea? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill.''"

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->"''It ->"''Kahless has been dead for a thousand years; years... but its the idea of Kahless is still alive. Have you ever fought an idea? idea, Picard? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill.''"



->''"If you want to kill me, go ahead. I may die but my ideals will live on!"''

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->''"If you want to kill me, go ahead. I may die die, but my ideals will live on!"''
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->''"Beneath this mask is more than flesh; beneath this mask there is an idea, and ideas are bulletproof."''
-->-- '''V''', ''Film/VForVendetta''
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-->-- '''V''', ''Film/VForVendetta''

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->''You can destroy planets, but you can never destroy what I am, "friend".''
-->--'''Son Goku''' to '''Freeza''', ''Anime/DragonBallZ''

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->''"You
can destroy planets, but you can never destroy what I am, "friend".''
-->--'''Son
'friend'."''
-->-- '''Son
Goku''' to '''Freeza''', ''Anime/DragonBallZ''

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Freeza, ''Anime/DragonBallZ''
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->''"The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many and, before this battle is over, that even a [[GodEmperor god-king]] can bleed."''
-->-- '''Leonidas''', ''ComicBook/ThreeHundred''




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->''"What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - fully understood - that sticks."''

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->'''Steading:''' I'm not warning you again. As of this moment, I'm no more impressed by the title of 'Fuhrer' than I am of the powerless weakling an illithid is when it can't use its psychic powers. Now put your slimy hands up or I swear I'll send you to Hell to meet him.\\
'''Illithid:''' I don't care... No matter how many of us you pigs kill... ''[draws a knife]'' ...''[[DiscussedTrope you can't kill an idea!]]''\\
''[[[SuicideByCop Illithid lunges, but Steading and his men open fire, killing him]]]''\\
'''Steading:''' Maybe... [[PostMortemOneLiner But an idea can kill you...]]
-->-- ''Fanfic/ShadowchasersConspiracy''
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->'''Sextus:''' Yes, Messala, but how do you control what's up here? ''[points to his head]'' How do you fight an idea? Especially a new idea.\\
''[later]''\\
'''Messala:''' Sextus, you asked how to fight an idea. Well, I'll tell you how... With another idea.
-->-- ''Film/BenHur1959''

->''"You can torture us. You can bomb us. You can burn our districts to the ground. But do you see that? Fire is catching! [[TakingYouWithMe If we burn, you burn with us]]!"''
-->-- '''Katniss''', ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjay''

->''"What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - -- fully understood - -- that sticks."''




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->''"'They can't get inside you,' she had said. [[DefiedTrope But they could get inside you]]. 'What happens to you here is forever,' O'Brien had said. That was a true word. There were things, your own acts, from which you could never recover. Something was killed in your breast: burnt out, cauterized out.''

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->''"They
can't get inside you,' you," she had said. [[DefiedTrope But they could get inside you]]. 'What "What happens to you here is forever,' forever," O'Brien had said. That was a true word. There were things, your own acts, from which you could never recover. Something was killed in your breast: burnt out, cauterized out.''



-->-- '''Kelsier''' [[spoiler: right before dying]], ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Mistborn: The Final Empire]]''

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-->-- '''Kelsier''' [[spoiler: right [[spoiler:right before dying]], ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Mistborn: The Final Empire]]''



-->--'''[[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]]''', ''[[Literature/PoeticEdda Hávamál]]''

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-> ''"Ideas by man and only that will last''\\
''And over time we've learned from the past''\\
''That no man's fit to rule the world alone''\\
''A man will die but not his ideas."''
-->-- '''Music/AceOfBase''', "Happy Nation"

->''Put him up against the wall''\\
''Shoot him up with pentothal''\\
\\
''Shoot him up with lead''\\
''You won't call back what's been said''\\
''Put him in the ground''\\
''But one day you'll look around''\\
\\
''There'll be a face you don't know''\\
''Voicing thoughts you've heard before''
-->-- '''Music/BruceCockburn''', "Maybe The Poet"

-> ''"If you gun down the messenger''\\
''You guarantee that he will be made into a saint''\\
''A martyr of the free word."''
-->-- '''Music/{{Epica}}''', "Martyr of the Free Word"

->''"You can put out the candle, but you can't put out the fire.''\\
''Once the flame begins to catch, the wind will blow it higher."''
-->-- '''Music/PeterGabriel''', Biko

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->''"The Devil is an idea. In all those civilizations, just an idea. But an idea is hard to kill. An idea could escape."''
-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit "The Satan Pit"]]

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-->--'''[[Myth/NorseMythology -->-- '''[[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]]''', ''[[Literature/PoeticEdda Hávamál]]''

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-> ''"Ideas by man and only that will last''\\
''And over time we've learned from the past''\\
''That no man's fit
->'''Eligor:''' You cannot kill an idea!\\
'''Santyaga:''' Yes. We prefer
to rule the world alone''\\
''A man will die but not his ideas."''
exterminate those who carry them. ''[stabs him]''
-->-- '''Music/AceOfBase''', "Happy Nation"

->''Put him up against the wall''\\
''Shoot him up with pentothal''\\
\\
''Shoot him up with lead''\\
''You won't call back what's been said''\\
''Put him in the ground''\\
''But one day you'll look around''\\
\\
''There'll be a face you don't know''\\
''Voicing thoughts you've heard before''
-->-- '''Music/BruceCockburn''', "Maybe The Poet"

-> ''"If you gun down the messenger''\\
''You guarantee that he will be made into a saint''\\
''A martyr of the free word."''
-->-- '''Music/{{Epica}}''', "Martyr of the Free Word"

->''"You can put out the candle, but you can't put out the fire.''\\
''Once the flame begins to catch, the wind will blow it higher."''
-->-- '''Music/PeterGabriel''', Biko

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->''"The Devil ->''"[[{{Satan}} The Devil]] is an idea. In all those civilizations, just an idea. But an idea is hard to kill. An idea could escape."''
-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit The Satan Pit"]]
Pit]]"



-->-- '''[[AscendedDemon Michael]]''', ''Series/TheGoodPlace'', "Jeremy Bearimy"

-> '''Jerome Valeska:''' Good ol' Gordon. Always playing by the rules. That's why I'll outlive you. That's why I'm loved, 'cause I don't give a damn about the rules.\\

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-->-- '''[[AscendedDemon Michael]]''', ''Series/TheGoodPlace'', "Jeremy Bearimy"

"[[Recap/TheGoodPlaceS3E04JeremyBearimy Jeremy Bearimy]]"

-> '''Jerome Valeska:''' Good ol' Gordon. Always playing by the rules. That's why I'll outlive you. That's why I'm loved, 'cause [[TheUnfettered I don't give a damn about the rules.rules]].\\



->''"You can't kill an idea, can you? Not once it's made a home... there."''
-->-- '''Sherlock Holmes''', ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'', "[[Recap/SherlockS02E03TheReichenbachFall The Reichenbach Fall]]"

->"''You can deny me all you want, but you can't deny Ben Sisko! He exists! That future, that space station, all those people, they exist in here, in my mind! I created it, and every one of you knew it, you read it! It's here! Do you hear what I'm telling you?! You can pulp a story, but '''you cannot destroy an idea!''' Don't you understand?! That's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea! That future... I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand?! It's real... I created it, and it's real! '''It's real'''...''"
-->-- '''Cpt. Benjamin Sisko''' (as 1950s author Benny Russell), ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E13FarBeyondTheStars Far Beyond the Stars]]"

->'''Tokath:''' I know that there are those among you who may question what I'm about to do. And you would not be wrong to do so. I have questioned myself. I have spent the night considering my decision, challenging myself to justify whether it is right. And I have reached the conclusion that it is absolutely necessary to put this man to death. [[WellIntentionedExtremist What we have built together would be destroyed by this man. And I cannot allow that to happen]]. I give you one last chance to accept our way of life.\\
'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.
-->-- ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E15Birthright Birthright: Part II]]"



-->-- '''Gowron''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Rightful Heir"

->'''Tokath:''' I know that there are those among you who may question what I'm about to do. And you would not be wrong to do so. I have questioned myself. I have spent the night considering my decision, challenging myself to justify whether it is right. And I have reached the conclusion that it is absolutely necessary to put this man to death. [[WellIntentionedExtremist What we have built together would be destroyed by this man. And I cannot allow that to happen.]] I give you one last chance to accept our way of life.
->'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.
-->-- ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Birthright: Part II"

->"''You can deny me all you want, but you can't deny Ben Sisko! He exists! That future, that space station, all those people, they exist in here, in my mind! I created it, and every one of you knew it, you read it! It's here! Do you hear what I'm telling you?! You can pulp a story, but '''you cannot destroy an idea!''' Don't you understand?! That's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea! That future...I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand?! It's real...I created it, and it's real! '''It's real'''...''"
-->-- '''Cpt. Benjamin Sisko''' (as 1950s author Benny Russell), ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Far Beyond The Stars"

->"''I know you, Peter. I know you. From a ravaged little boy wanting love...to a torn man craving respect, identity, pride. Peter...I don't fear you. So you may do at any time what you wish. But this last one reminder to you. You can never kill an idea with a bullet, Peter. Never.''"
-->-- '''Ernst''', ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'', "He's Alive"

->''"You can't kill an idea, can you? Not once it's made a home... there."''
-->-- '''Sherlock Holmes''', ''Series/{{Sherlock}}''

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-> ''Over time, any sentence uttered long and loud enough becomes fixed. Becomes a truth. Provided, of course, you can outlast the dissent and silence your opponents. But should you succeed – and remove all challengers – then what remains is, by default, now true.''\\
''Is it truth in some objective sense? No. But how does one ever achieve an objective point of view? The answer is you don't. It is literally, physically impossible. There are too many variables. Too many fields and formulae to consider. We can try, of course. We can inch closer and closer to a revelation. But we'll never reach it. Not ever...''\\
''And so I have realized, that so long as The Templars exist, they will attempt to bend reality to their will. They recognize there is no such thing as an absolute truth – or if there is – we are hopelessly under-equipped to recognize it. And so in its place, they seek to create their own explanation. It is the guiding principle of their so-named "New World Order"; to reshape existence in their own image. It is not about artifacts. Not about men. These are merely tools. It's about concepts. Clever of them. For how does one wage war against a concept?''\\
''It is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings – these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself... ''
-->--'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', "Codex"

->''"Even when your kind appears to triumph...Still we rise again. And do you know why? It is because the Order is born of a realization. We require no creed, no indoctrination by desperate old men. All we need is that the world be as it is. And THIS is why the Templars will never be destroyed!"''

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-->-- '''Gowron''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Rightful Heir"

->'''Tokath:''' I know that there are those among you who may question what I'm about to do. And you would not be wrong to do so. I have questioned myself. I have spent the night considering my decision, challenging myself to justify whether it is right. And I have reached the conclusion that it is absolutely necessary to put this man to death. [[WellIntentionedExtremist What we have built together would be destroyed by this man. And I cannot allow that to happen.]] I give you one last chance to accept our way of life.
->'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.
-->-- ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Birthright: Part II"

->"''You can deny me all you want, but you can't deny Ben Sisko! He exists! That future, that space station, all those people, they exist in here, in my mind! I created it, and every one of you knew it, you read it! It's here! Do you hear what I'm telling you?! You can pulp a story, but '''you cannot destroy an idea!''' Don't you understand?! That's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea! That future...I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand?! It's real...I created it, and it's real! '''It's real'''...''"
-->-- '''Cpt. Benjamin Sisko''' (as 1950s author Benny Russell), ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Far Beyond The Stars"

"[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E21RightfulHeir Rightful Heir]]"

->"''I know you, Peter. I know you. From a ravaged little boy wanting love... to a torn man craving respect, identity, pride. Peter... I don't fear you. So you may do at any time what you wish. But this last one reminder to you. You can never kill an idea with a bullet, Peter. Never.''"
-->-- '''Ernst''', ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'', "He's Alive"

->''"You
"[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS4E106HesAlive He's Alive]]"
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->''Ideas by man and only that will last\\
And over time we've learned from the past\\
That no man's fit to rule the world alone\\
A man will die but not his ideas''
-->-- '''Music/AceOfBase''', "Happy Nation"

->''Put him up against the wall\\
Shoot him up with pentothal\\\
Shoot him up with lead\\
You won't call back what's been said\\
Put him in the ground\\
But one day you'll look around\\\
There'll be a face you don't know\\
Voicing thoughts you've heard before''
-->-- '''Music/BruceCockburn''', "Maybe the Poet"

->''If you gun down the messenger\\
You guarantee that he will be made into a saint\\
A martyr of the free word''
-->-- '''Music/{{Epica}}''', "Martyr of the Free Word"

->''You can put out the candle, but you
can't kill an idea, can you? Not once it's made a home... there."''
put out the fire\\
Once the flame begins to catch, the wind will blow it higher''
-->-- '''Sherlock Holmes''', ''Series/{{Sherlock}}''

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'''Music/PeterGabriel''', "Biko"
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-> ''Over ->''Over time, any sentence uttered long and loud enough becomes fixed. Becomes a truth. Provided, of course, you can outlast the dissent and silence your opponents. But should you succeed – and remove all challengers – then what remains is, by default, now true.''\\
''Is
\\
Is
it truth in some objective sense? No. But how does one ever achieve an objective point of view? The answer is you don't. It is literally, physically impossible. There are too many variables. Too many fields and formulae to consider. We can try, of course. We can inch closer and closer to a revelation. But we'll never reach it. Not ever...''\\
''And
\\
And
so I have realized, that so long as The Templars exist, they will attempt to bend reality to their will. They recognize there is no such thing as an absolute truth – or if there is – we are hopelessly under-equipped to recognize it. And so in its place, they seek to create their own explanation. It is the guiding principle of their so-named "New World Order"; to reshape existence in their own image. It is not about artifacts. Not about men. These are merely tools. It's about concepts. Clever of them. For how does one wage war against a concept?''\\
''It
concept?\\
It
is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings – these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, Someone, someday, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself... ''
-->--'''Altaïr -->-- '''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', "Codex"

->''"Even when your kind appears to triumph...Still still we rise again. And do you know why? It is because the Order is born of a realization. We require no creed, no indoctrination by desperate old men. All we need is that the world be as it is. And THIS ''this'' is why the Templars will never be destroyed!"''



->''"You can take my life. It doesn't matter anymore. [...] We fought for our dream and we lost, but you can't hold my people down forever. One day, we'll rise up again, and we will win. Go on. Shoot. What are you waiting for?"''

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->''"The Order aren't just a group of people -- they're an idea. An idea cannot be beaten. An idea cannot be destroyed."''
-->-- '''Amorges''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedOdyssey: Legacy of the First Blade''

->''"You can take my life. It doesn't matter anymore. [...] ''[...]'' We fought for our dream and we lost, but you can't hold my people down forever. One day, we'll rise up again, and we will win. Go on. Shoot. What are you waiting for?"''



->''A single artist, a single general, a single hero or a single villain may all die, but it is impossible to kill a people, a nation, an idea -- except when that idea has grown weak and is overpowered by one that is stronger.''
-->-- '''The Doctrine of the Mighty''', ''VideoGame/DeusEx''

->''"I am stronger than man, stronger than machine. I... am an ''idea.''"''
-->-- '''Urgot''', ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends''



->''"Your kind is always looking for villains. So much better to have something- someone -to fight than face the reality of it: that what you're fighting isn't physical; it isn't even metaphysical! It's an idea made real. You can't shoot fireballs at an idea. Ideas are like viruses- invisible, all-pervasive... '''invincible'''."''

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->''"Your kind is always looking for villains. So much better to have something- something -- someone -to -- to fight than face the reality of it: that what you're fighting isn't physical; it isn't even metaphysical! It's an idea made real. You can't shoot fireballs at an idea. Ideas are like viruses- viruses -- invisible, all-pervasive... '''invincible'''."''



->''"I am stronger than man, stronger than machine. I... am an ''idea.''"''
-->-- '''Urgot''', ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends''

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->''"The open source movement gave every idea an army of researchers. They turned military secrets into public knowledge, and children's science kits into [[SyntheticPlague biowarfare]] labs. That's how the Jews became extinct, why China is full of zombies, and why red hair is a death sentence. [[DepopulationBomb Two-thirds of the world's population died]] because of bigotry, insanity, or ancestral hatred. Because of ideas. There's only one way to kill an idea: you have to [[KillEmAll kill every person who holds it]]."''

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->''"I am stronger than man, stronger than machine. I... am an ''idea.''"''
->''"If you want to kill me, go ahead. I may die but my ideals will live on!"''
-->-- '''Urgot''', ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends''

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->''"The
'''Sisteena''', ''VideoGame/TacticsOgre''

->'''Delaryn Summermoon:''' I grieve for you. You've made ''life'' your enemy. And that is a war you'll never win. You can kill us... but you cannot kill hope.\\
'''Sylvanas Windrunner:''' [[HopeCrusher Can't I?]]
-->-- ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', before Sylvanas [[spoiler:orders Teldrassil to be burned down]]
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->''"[[InformationWantsToBeFree The
open source movement movement]] gave every idea an army of researchers. They turned military secrets into public knowledge, and children's science kits into [[SyntheticPlague biowarfare]] labs. That's how the Jews became extinct, why China is full of zombies, and why red hair is a death sentence. [[DepopulationBomb Two-thirds of the world's population died]] because of bigotry, insanity, or ancestral hatred. Because of ideas. There's only one way to kill an idea: you have to [[KillEmAll kill every person who holds it]].it."''




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-->-- '''Mina Loveberry''' in a rare villainous example of this trope, ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', "Cleaved"

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-->-- '''Mina Loveberry''' in a rare villainous example of this trope, Loveberry''', ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', "Cleaved"
"[[Recap/StarVsTheForcesOfEvilS4E37Cleaved Cleaved]]"
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-> ''"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world. An idea whose time has come."''
-->-- Anonymous

-> ''In overthrowing me you have cut down in [[UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}} Saint Domingue]] only the trunk of the tree of liberty; it will spring up again from the roots, for they are numerous and they are deep.''
-->--'''Toussaint Louverture'''

->''"“Order prevails in Berlin!” You foolish lackeys! Your “order” is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will “rise up again, clashing its weapons,” and to your horror it will proclaim with trumpets blazing: I was, I am, I shall be!"''

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-> ''"There ->''"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world. An idea whose time has come."''
-->-- Anonymous

-> ''In
'''Anonymous'''

->''"In
overthrowing me you have cut down in [[UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}} Saint Domingue]] only the trunk of the tree of liberty; it will spring up again from the roots, for they are numerous and they are deep.''
-->--'''Toussaint
"''
-->-- '''Toussaint
Louverture'''

->''"“Order ->''"'Order prevails in Berlin!” Berlin!' You foolish lackeys! Your “order” 'order' is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will “rise 'rise up again, clashing its weapons,” weapons,' and to your horror it will proclaim with trumpets blazing: I was, I am, I shall be!"''



->''"[[{{Pun}} Venceréis, pero no convenceréis.]]"''[[note]]"[[LostInTranslation You will win, but you will not convince]]."[[/note]]
-->--'''Miguel de Unamuno''', [[UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar 1936]]

to:

->''"[[{{Pun}} Venceréis, pero no convenceréis.]]"''[[note]]"[[LostInTranslation convenceréis]]."'' [[note]]"[[LostInTranslation You will win, but you will not convince]]."[[/note]]
-->--'''Miguel -->-- '''Miguel de Unamuno''', [[UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar 1936]]



-->-- '''Last words of UsefulNotes/CheGuevara''', attributed.

-> ''They will be able to cut all the flowers, but they will not be able to stop the spring.''

to:

-->-- '''Last words of UsefulNotes/CheGuevara''', attributed.

-> ''They
'''UsefulNotes/CheGuevara''', attributed last words

->''"They
will be able to cut all the flowers, but they will not be able to stop the spring.''"''



-> ''Force binds for a time; ideas enchain forever.''
-->--'''Inscription on the National Library of UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}'''

->''"When some theorize about the Nazi Germany winning World War II, they imagine the Nazis dominating the globe and surviving forever. This is entirely possible; it could've happened had the situation been right. Who knows? But as we see time and time again in human history, empires and countries fall. Even if they do not collapse, they change ideologies. Politics and societies evolve from one generation to the next. Even if Nazi Germany won the war, this doesn't mean the Reich that Hitler oversaw would survive forever. The 1940's German Reich that we think of certainly couldn't survive forever. So what is the biggest effect of a Nazi victory in this alternate timeline? Ideology."''

->''"Ideology shapes mankind. It shapes our beliefs, our morals to an extent, how we see ourselves as people on this Earth. The gods we worship, the politics we think, not in the current time but those few ideas are able to stick and, through the butterfly effect, define what we think it means to be human. The writings of Marx affected millions of people across the globe, either by force or by inspiration. Each idea is stuck at a crossroads whether it should survive or not. Fascism is no different. Forever legitimizing this political experiment in this alternate world, at least to the inhabitants. When the Nazis lost World War II in our timeline, the most important part was the death of the ideology. The Nuremberg trials gave evidence to the atrocities that Nazism spawned, Hitler's war brought death and destruction to Germany, no mass resistance ever occurred to defend Hitler's legacy."''

->''"In this alternate timeline, this never happens. If the Nazis manage to maintain a successful nation until Hitler's death, the ideology he spurred would be immortalized. The best comparison is with the founding fathers and the United States. American politics is diverse, but no matter what, there is never a politician or mainstream figure who disagrees with the ideas of the founders and the constitution. This is because the ideology has become a part of the culture in the United States. As the founders died, they became more than men, but idols to look back on and emulate. The politics of each party is its own way of interpreting the words of the constitution. Not to compare the founders to the Nazis, but the same logic would still apply. If all went well for Nazi Germany, decades after Adolf Hitler's death, even if the Third Reich collapsed, there could be major differences between fascists and Nazi parties."''

->''"He would remain an idol to these alternate people throughout the world. As generations are born and can't remember a time before the Nazis, the ideology is normalized in the eyes of the people. Now this isn't to say the world would be Nazi, yet this would show that Nazism would play a much larger role in mankind's future than in our timeline. Marx's ideas are emulated and debated today among communists. In this alternate timeline, as more people are born into this Nazi-influenced world, their own ideas on Fascism might be shaped by the times they live in. A dark alternate spectrum of political thought based around fascism. As the centuries would move on, people would look back on the war in ways we don't even know now. In our timeline, centuries from now, World War II will remain a defining moment in mankind's history. This single conflict shaped the economic, social, and political changes that shaped our modern world. It will only grow more influential in the centuries to come, as the actions we make today influence the decisions of our descendants. World War II could've been the end to entire cultures. It already devastated so much of the globe, but it very well could've been worse, becoming a new chapter in human history. One not led by Nazis, but one led by people inspired by Hitler and have an influential say in the globe."''
-->--'''WebAnimation/AlternateHistoryHub''' [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]], ''What if Nazi Germany Won World War II?''

to:

-> ''Force ->''"Force binds for a time; ideas enchain forever.''
-->--'''Inscription
"''
-->-- '''Inscription
on the National Library of UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}'''

->''"When some theorize about the Nazi Germany winning World War II, they imagine the Nazis dominating the globe and surviving forever. This is entirely possible; it could've happened had the situation been right. Who knows? But as we see time and time again in human history, empires and countries fall. Even if they do not collapse, they change ideologies. Politics and societies evolve from one generation to the next. Even if Nazi Germany won the war, this doesn't mean the Reich that Hitler oversaw would survive forever. The 1940's German Reich that we think of certainly couldn't survive forever. So what is the biggest effect of a Nazi victory in this alternate timeline? Ideology."''

->''"Ideology
\\
Ideology
shapes mankind. It shapes our beliefs, our morals to an extent, how we see ourselves as people on this Earth. The gods we worship, the politics we think, not in the current time but those few ideas are able to stick and, through the butterfly effect, define what we think it means to be human. The writings of Marx affected millions of people across the globe, either by force or by inspiration. Each idea is stuck at a crossroads whether it should survive or not. Fascism is no different. Forever legitimizing this political experiment in this alternate world, at least to the inhabitants. When the Nazis lost World War II in our timeline, the most important part was the death of the ideology. The Nuremberg trials gave evidence to the atrocities that Nazism spawned, Hitler's war brought death and destruction to Germany, no mass resistance ever occurred to defend Hitler's legacy."''

->''"In
\\
In
this alternate timeline, this never happens. If the Nazis manage to maintain a successful nation until Hitler's death, the ideology he spurred would be immortalized. The best comparison is with the founding fathers and the United States. American politics is diverse, but no matter what, there is never a politician or mainstream figure who disagrees with the ideas of the founders and the constitution. This is because the ideology has become a part of the culture in the United States. As the founders died, they became more than men, but idols to look back on and emulate. The politics of each party is its own way of interpreting the words of the constitution. Not to compare the founders to the Nazis, but the same logic would still apply. If all went well for Nazi Germany, decades after Adolf Hitler's death, even if the Third Reich collapsed, there could be major differences between fascists and Nazi parties."''

->''"He
\\
He
would remain an idol to these alternate people throughout the world. As generations are born and can't remember a time before the Nazis, the ideology is normalized in the eyes of the people. Now this isn't to say the world would be Nazi, yet this would show that Nazism would play a much larger role in mankind's future than in our timeline. Marx's ideas are emulated and debated today among communists. In this alternate timeline, as more people are born into this Nazi-influenced world, their own ideas on Fascism might be shaped by the times they live in. A dark alternate spectrum of political thought based around fascism. As the centuries would move on, people would look back on the war in ways we don't even know now. In our timeline, centuries from now, World War II will remain a defining moment in mankind's history. This single conflict shaped the economic, social, and political changes that shaped our modern world. It will only grow more influential in the centuries to come, as the actions we make today influence the decisions of our descendants. World War II could've been the end to entire cultures. It already devastated so much of the globe, but it very well could've been worse, becoming a new chapter in human history. One not led by Nazis, but one led by people inspired by Hitler and have an influential say in the globe."''
-->--'''WebAnimation/AlternateHistoryHub''' -->-- ''WebAnimation/AlternateHistoryHub'' [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]], ''What if Nazi Germany Won World War II?''

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->''"You can't kill an idea, can you? Not once it's made a home... there."''
-->-- '''Sherlock Holmes''', ''Series/{{Sherlock}}''



-->-- '''Leo Gold''', '''''VideoGame/DeusEx'''''

to:

-->-- '''Leo Gold''', '''''VideoGame/DeusEx'''''
''VideoGame/DeusEx''



-->-- '''Freddy Beaumont''', ''Videogame/TheSecretWorld''

to:

-->-- '''Freddy Beaumont''', ''Videogame/TheSecretWorld''
''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld''

->''"I am stronger than man, stronger than machine. I... am an ''idea.''"''
-->-- '''Urgot''', ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends''
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-->--'''AlternateHistoryHub''' [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]], ''What if Nazi Germany Won World War II?''

to:

-->--'''AlternateHistoryHub''' -->--'''WebAnimation/AlternateHistoryHub''' [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]], ''What if Nazi Germany Won World War II?''
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->"''I know you, Peter. I know you. From a ravaged little boy wanting love...to a torn man craving respect, identity, pride. Peter...I don't fear you. So you may do at any time what you wish. But this last one reminder to you. You can never kill an idea with a bullet, Peter. Never.''"
-->-- '''Ernst''', ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'', "He's Alive"

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->''"You can take my life. It doesn't matter anymore. [...] We fought for our dream and we lost, but you can't hold my people down forever. One day, we'll rise up again, and we will win. Go on. Shoot. What are you waiting for?"''
-->-- '''North''' [[spoiler:if Markus died at the freedom march, Jericho fails to win the Battle for Detroit under North's command, and Connor remained a loyal machine]], ''VideoGame/DetroitBecomeHuman''

to:

->''"You !!Fiction
[[AC: Anime]]
->''You
can take my life. It doesn't matter anymore. [...] We fought for our dream and we lost, destroy planets, but you can't hold my people down forever. One day, we'll rise up again, and we will win. Go on. Shoot. What are you waiting for?"''
-->-- '''North''' [[spoiler:if Markus died at the freedom march, Jericho fails
can never destroy what I am, "friend".''
-->--'''Son Goku'''
to win the Battle for Detroit under North's command, and Connor remained a loyal machine]], ''VideoGame/DetroitBecomeHuman''
'''Freeza''', ''Anime/DragonBallZ''

[[AC: Comic Books]]



->''"We failed, [[BenevolentAI Janet]]. But maybe someday, someone else will succeed."''
-->-- '''[[AscendedDemon Michael]]''', ''Series/TheGoodPlace'', "Jeremy Bearimy"

->''"Y'know, you can get rid of me. It's ''so'' easy. But the sweet thing is I'll never ''really'' be gone, 'cause I've got good ideas! And the thing about good ideas is they tend to kinda hang around like a bad fart."''
-->-- '''Mina Loveberry''' in a rare villainous example of this trope, ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', "Cleaved"

->''"The Devil is an idea. In all those civilizations, just an idea. But an idea is hard to kill. An idea could escape."''
-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit "The Satan Pit"]]

-> ''Over time, any sentence uttered long and loud enough becomes fixed. Becomes a truth. Provided, of course, you can outlast the dissent and silence your opponents. But should you succeed – and remove all challengers – then what remains is, by default, now true.''\\
''Is it truth in some objective sense? No. But how does one ever achieve an objective point of view? The answer is you don't. It is literally, physically impossible. There are too many variables. Too many fields and formulae to consider. We can try, of course. We can inch closer and closer to a revelation. But we'll never reach it. Not ever...''\\
''And so I have realized, that so long as The Templars exist, they will attempt to bend reality to their will. They recognize there is no such thing as an absolute truth – or if there is – we are hopelessly under-equipped to recognize it. And so in its place, they seek to create their own explanation. It is the guiding principle of their so-named "New World Order"; to reshape existence in their own image. It is not about artifacts. Not about men. These are merely tools. It's about concepts. Clever of them. For how does one wage war against a concept?''\\
''It is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings – these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself... ''
-->--'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', "Codex"

-> ''"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world. An idea whose time has come."''
-->-- Anonymous

-> ''"If you gun down the messenger''\\
''You guarantee that he will be made into a saint''\\
''A martyr of the free word."''
-->-- '''Epica''', "Martyr of the Free Word"

to:

->''"We failed, [[BenevolentAI Janet]]. But maybe someday, someone else will succeed.[[AC: Film]]
->''"What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - fully understood - that sticks.
"''
-->-- '''[[AscendedDemon Michael]]''', ''Series/TheGoodPlace'', "Jeremy Bearimy"

->''"Y'know,
'''Cobb''', ''Film/{{Inception}}''

[[AC: Literature]]
->''"'They can't get inside you,' she had said. [[DefiedTrope But they could get inside you]]. 'What happens to you here is forever,' O'Brien had said. That was a true word. There were things, your own acts, from which you could never recover. Something was killed in your breast: burnt out, cauterized out.''
-->-- ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''

->''"I am the one thing
you can get rid of me. It's ''so'' easy. But the sweet thing is I'll never ''really'' be gone, 'cause I've got good ideas! And the thing about good ideas is they tend to kinda hang around like a bad fart.kill. I am Hope."''
-->-- '''Mina Loveberry''' in a rare villainous example '''Kelsier''' [[spoiler: right before dying]], ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Mistborn: The Final Empire]]''

->''"Cattle die, kinsmen die, you yourself will also die; but the fair fame never dies
of this trope, ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', "Cleaved"

->''"The Devil is an idea. In all those civilizations, just an idea. But an idea is hard to kill. An idea could escape.
him who has earned it."''
-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit "The Satan Pit"]]

-> ''Over time, any sentence uttered long and loud enough becomes fixed. Becomes a truth. Provided, of course, you can outlast the dissent and silence your opponents. But should you succeed – and remove all challengers – then what remains is, by default, now true.''\\
''Is it truth in some objective sense? No. But how does one ever achieve an objective point of view? The answer is you don't. It is literally, physically impossible. There are too many variables. Too many fields and formulae to consider. We can try, of course. We can inch closer and closer to a revelation. But we'll never reach it. Not ever...''\\
''And so I have realized, that so long as The Templars exist, they will attempt to bend reality to their will. They recognize there is no such thing as an absolute truth – or if there is – we are hopelessly under-equipped to recognize it. And so in its place, they seek to create their own explanation. It is the guiding principle of their so-named "New World Order"; to reshape existence in their own image. It is not about artifacts. Not about men. These are merely tools. It's about concepts. Clever of them. For how does one wage war against a concept?''\\
''It is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings – these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself... ''
-->--'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', "Codex"

-> ''"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world. An idea whose time has come."''
-->-- Anonymous

-> ''"If you gun down the messenger''\\
''You guarantee that he will be made into a saint''\\
''A martyr of the free word."''
-->-- '''Epica''', "Martyr of the Free Word"
-->--'''[[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]]''', ''[[Literature/PoeticEdda Hávamál]]''

[[AC: Music]]



-->-- '''Ace Of Base''', "Happy Nation"

->''"Your kind is always looking for villains. So much better to have something- someone -to fight than face the reality of it: that what you're fighting isn't physical; it isn't even metaphysical! It's an idea made real. You can't shoot fireballs at an idea. Ideas are like viruses- invisible, all-pervasive... '''invincible'''."''
-->-- '''Freddy Beaumont''', ''Videogame/TheSecretWorld''

->"''It has been dead for a thousand years; but its idea is still alive. Have you ever fought an idea? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill.''"
-->-- '''Gowron''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Rightful Heir"

->"''You can deny me all you want, but you can't deny Ben Sisko! He exists! That future, that space station, all those people, they exist in here, in my mind! I created it, and every one of you knew it, you read it! It's here! Do you hear what I'm telling you?! You can pulp a story, but '''you cannot destroy an idea!''' Don't you understand?! That's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea! That future...I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand?! It's real...I created it, and it's real! '''It's real'''...''"
-->-- '''Cpt. Benjamin Sisko''' (as 1950s author Benny Russell), ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Far Beyond The Stars"

->''"I'd expect [[PlayerCharacter you]] to say that; you never truly believed in us. [[KnightTemplar Cerberus]] isn't just an organization or the people behind it. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not so easily destroyed."''
-->-- '''The Illusive Man''', ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''

->''You can destroy planets, but you can never destroy what I am, "friend".''
-->--'''Son Goku''' to '''Freeza''', ''Anime/DragonBallZ''

to:

-->-- '''Ace Of Base''', '''Music/AceOfBase''', "Happy Nation"

->''"Your kind is always looking for villains. So much better to have something- someone -to fight than ->''Put him up against the wall''\\
''Shoot him up with pentothal''\\
\\
''Shoot him up with lead''\\
''You won't call back what's been said''\\
''Put him in the ground''\\
''But one day you'll look around''\\
\\
''There'll be a
face the reality of it: that what you're fighting isn't physical; it isn't even metaphysical! It's an idea made real. You can't shoot fireballs at an idea. Ideas are like viruses- invisible, all-pervasive... '''invincible'''."''
you don't know''\\
''Voicing thoughts you've heard before''
-->-- '''Freddy Beaumont''', ''Videogame/TheSecretWorld''

->"''It has been dead for a thousand years; but its idea is still alive. Have
'''Music/BruceCockburn''', "Maybe The Poet"

-> ''"If
you ever fought an idea? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill.''"
-->-- '''Gowron''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Rightful Heir"

->"''You can deny me all you want, but you can't deny Ben Sisko! He exists! That future,
gun down the messenger''\\
''You guarantee
that space station, all those people, they exist in here, in my mind! I created it, and every one he will be made into a saint''\\
''A martyr
of you knew it, you read it! It's here! Do you hear what I'm telling you?! You can pulp a story, but '''you cannot destroy an idea!''' Don't you understand?! That's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea! That future...I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand?! It's real...I created it, and it's real! '''It's real'''...''"
-->-- '''Cpt. Benjamin Sisko''' (as 1950s author Benny Russell), ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Far Beyond The Stars"

->''"I'd expect [[PlayerCharacter you]] to say that; you never truly believed in us. [[KnightTemplar Cerberus]] isn't just an organization or
the people behind it. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not so easily destroyed.free word."''
-->-- '''The Illusive Man''', ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''

->''You can destroy planets, but you can never destroy what I am, "friend".''
-->--'''Son Goku''' to '''Freeza''', ''Anime/DragonBallZ''
'''Music/{{Epica}}''', "Martyr of the Free Word"



[[AC: Live-Action TV]]
->''"The Devil is an idea. In all those civilizations, just an idea. But an idea is hard to kill. An idea could escape."''
-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit "The Satan Pit"]]

->''"We failed, [[BenevolentAI Janet]]. But maybe someday, someone else will succeed."''
-->-- '''[[AscendedDemon Michael]]''', ''Series/TheGoodPlace'', "Jeremy Bearimy"

-> '''Jerome Valeska:''' Good ol' Gordon. Always playing by the rules. That's why I'll outlive you. That's why I'm loved, 'cause I don't give a damn about the rules.\\
'''Jim Gordon:''' It's a long way down. You sure you'll outlive me?\\
'''Jerome:''' Oh, I'm sure, 'cause I'm more than a man. I'm an idea, a philosophy. And I will live on in the shadows within Gotham's discontent. You'll be seeing me soon. Au revoir!
-->-- ''Series/{{Gotham}}'', "[[Recap/GothamS4E18ThatsEntertainment That's Entertainment]]"

->"''It has been dead for a thousand years; but its idea is still alive. Have you ever fought an idea? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill.''"
-->-- '''Gowron''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Rightful Heir"

->'''Tokath:''' I know that there are those among you who may question what I'm about to do. And you would not be wrong to do so. I have questioned myself. I have spent the night considering my decision, challenging myself to justify whether it is right. And I have reached the conclusion that it is absolutely necessary to put this man to death. [[WellIntentionedExtremist What we have built together would be destroyed by this man. And I cannot allow that to happen.]] I give you one last chance to accept our way of life.
->'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.
-->-- ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Birthright: Part II"

->"''You can deny me all you want, but you can't deny Ben Sisko! He exists! That future, that space station, all those people, they exist in here, in my mind! I created it, and every one of you knew it, you read it! It's here! Do you hear what I'm telling you?! You can pulp a story, but '''you cannot destroy an idea!''' Don't you understand?! That's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea! That future...I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand?! It's real...I created it, and it's real! '''It's real'''...''"
-->-- '''Cpt. Benjamin Sisko''' (as 1950s author Benny Russell), ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Far Beyond The Stars"

[[AC: Video Games]]
-> ''Over time, any sentence uttered long and loud enough becomes fixed. Becomes a truth. Provided, of course, you can outlast the dissent and silence your opponents. But should you succeed – and remove all challengers – then what remains is, by default, now true.''\\
''Is it truth in some objective sense? No. But how does one ever achieve an objective point of view? The answer is you don't. It is literally, physically impossible. There are too many variables. Too many fields and formulae to consider. We can try, of course. We can inch closer and closer to a revelation. But we'll never reach it. Not ever...''\\
''And so I have realized, that so long as The Templars exist, they will attempt to bend reality to their will. They recognize there is no such thing as an absolute truth – or if there is – we are hopelessly under-equipped to recognize it. And so in its place, they seek to create their own explanation. It is the guiding principle of their so-named "New World Order"; to reshape existence in their own image. It is not about artifacts. Not about men. These are merely tools. It's about concepts. Clever of them. For how does one wage war against a concept?''\\
''It is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings – these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself... ''
-->--'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', "Codex"



->''"The open source movement gave every idea an army of researchers. They turned military secrets into public knowledge, and children's science kits into [[SyntheticPlague biowarfare]] labs. That's how the Jews became extinct, why China is full of zombies, and why red hair is a death sentence. [[DepopulationBomb Two-thirds of the world's population died]] because of bigotry, insanity, or ancestral hatred. Because of ideas. There's only one way to kill an idea: you have to [[KillEmAll kill every person who holds it]]."''
-->-- '''Jacob Doe''', ''Webcomic/GenocideMan''

->''"I am the one thing you can never kill. I am Hope."''
-->-- '''Kelsier''' [[spoiler: right before dying]], ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Mistborn: The Final Empire]]''

to:

->''"The open source movement gave every idea an army of researchers. They turned military secrets into public knowledge, ->''"You can take my life. It doesn't matter anymore. [...] We fought for our dream and children's science kits into [[SyntheticPlague biowarfare]] labs. That's how the Jews became extinct, why China is full of zombies, we lost, but you can't hold my people down forever. One day, we'll rise up again, and why red hair is a death sentence. [[DepopulationBomb Two-thirds of the world's population died]] because of bigotry, insanity, or ancestral hatred. Because of ideas. There's only one way to kill an idea: we will win. Go on. Shoot. What are you have to [[KillEmAll kill every person who holds it]]."''
waiting for?"''
-->-- '''Jacob Doe''', ''Webcomic/GenocideMan''

->''"I am
'''North''' [[spoiler:if Markus died at the one thing you can never kill. I am Hope."''
-->-- '''Kelsier''' [[spoiler: right before dying]], ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Mistborn: The Final Empire]]''
freedom march, Jericho fails to win the Battle for Detroit under North's command, and Connor remained a loyal machine]], ''VideoGame/DetroitBecomeHuman''



->''"What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - fully understood - that sticks."''
-->-- '''Cobb''', ''Film/{{Inception}}''

->''"Cattle die, kinsmen die, you yourself will also die; but the fair fame never dies of him who has earned it."''
-->--'''[[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]]''', ''[[Literature/PoeticEdda Hávamál]]''

to:

->''"What is ->''"I'd expect [[PlayerCharacter you]] to say that; you never truly believed in us. [[KnightTemplar Cerberus]] isn't just an organization or the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An people behind it. Cerberus is an idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an That idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - fully understood - that sticks.not so easily destroyed."''
-->-- '''Cobb''', ''Film/{{Inception}}''

->''"Cattle die, kinsmen die,
'''The Illusive Man''', ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''

->''"Your kind is always looking for villains. So much better to have something- someone -to fight than face the reality of it: that what you're fighting isn't physical; it isn't even metaphysical! It's an idea made real. You can't shoot fireballs at an idea. Ideas are like viruses- invisible, all-pervasive... '''invincible'''."''
-->-- '''Freddy Beaumont''', ''Videogame/TheSecretWorld''

[[AC: Web Comic]]
->''"The open source movement gave every idea an army of researchers. They turned military secrets into public knowledge, and children's science kits into [[SyntheticPlague biowarfare]] labs. That's how the Jews became extinct, why China is full of zombies, and why red hair is a death sentence. [[DepopulationBomb Two-thirds of the world's population died]] because of bigotry, insanity, or ancestral hatred. Because of ideas. There's only one way to kill an idea:
you yourself will also die; but the fair fame never dies of him have to [[KillEmAll kill every person who has earned it.holds it]]."''
-->--'''[[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]]''', ''[[Literature/PoeticEdda Hávamál]]''
-->-- '''Jacob Doe''', ''Webcomic/GenocideMan''

[[AC: Western Animation]]
->''"Y'know, you can get rid of me. It's ''so'' easy. But the sweet thing is I'll never ''really'' be gone, 'cause I've got good ideas! And the thing about good ideas is they tend to kinda hang around like a bad fart."''
-->-- '''Mina Loveberry''' in a rare villainous example of this trope, ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', "Cleaved"

!!Real Life
-> ''"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world. An idea whose time has come."''
-->-- Anonymous

-> ''In overthrowing me you have cut down in [[UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}} Saint Domingue]] only the trunk of the tree of liberty; it will spring up again from the roots, for they are numerous and they are deep.''
-->--'''Toussaint Louverture'''

->''"“Order prevails in Berlin!” You foolish lackeys! Your “order” is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will “rise up again, clashing its weapons,” and to your horror it will proclaim with trumpets blazing: I was, I am, I shall be!"''
-->-- '''Rosa Luxemburg''', mere hours before her arrest and subsequent murder by the Freikorps



->''"'They can't get inside you,' she had said. [[DefiedTrope But they could get inside you]]. 'What happens to you here is forever,' O'Brien had said. That was a true word. There were things, your own acts, from which you could never recover. Something was killed in your breast: burnt out, cauterized out.''
-->-- ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''

->''"When some theorize about the Nazi Germany winning World War II, they imagine the Nazis dominating the globe and surviving forever. This is entirely possible; it could've happened had the situation been right. Who knows? But as we see time and time again in human history, empires and countries fall. Even if they do not collapse, they change ideologies. Politics and societies evolve from one generation to the next. Even if Nazi Germany won the war, this doesn't mean the Reich that Hitler oversaw would survive forever. The 1940's German Reich that we think of certainly couldn't survive forever. So what is the biggest effect of a Nazi victory in this alternate timeline? Ideology."''

->''"Ideology shapes mankind. It shapes our beliefs, our morals to an extent, how we see ourselves as people on this Earth. The gods we worship, the politics we think, not in the current time but those few ideas are able to stick and, through the butterfly effect, define what we think it means to be human. The writings of Marx affected millions of people across the globe, either by force or by inspiration. Each idea is stuck at a crossroads whether it should survive or not. Fascism is no different. Forever legitimizing this political experiment in this alternate world, at least to the inhabitants. When the Nazis lost World War II in our timeline, the most important part was the death of the ideology. The Nuremberg trials gave evidence to the atrocities that Nazism spawned, Hitler's war brought death and destruction to Germany, no mass resistance ever occurred to defend Hitler's legacy."''

->''"In this alternate timeline, this never happens. If the Nazis manage to maintain a successful nation until Hitler's death, the ideology he spurred would be immortalized. The best comparison is with the founding fathers and the United States. American politics is diverse, but no matter what, there is never a politician or mainstream figure who disagrees with the ideas of the founders and the constitution. This is because the ideology has become a part of the culture in the United States. As the founders died, they became more than men, but idols to look back on and emulate. The politics of each party is its own way of interpreting the words of the constitution. Not to compare the founders to the Nazis, but the same logic would still apply. If all went well for Nazi Germany, decades after Adolf Hitler's death, even if the Third Reich collapsed, there could be major differences between fascists and Nazi parties."''

->''"He would remain an idol to these alternate people throughout the world. As generations are born and can't remember a time before the Nazis, the ideology is normalized in the eyes of the people. Now this isn't to say the world would be Nazi, yet this would show that Nazism would play a much larger role in mankind's future than in our timeline. Marx's ideas are emulated and debated today among communists. In this alternate timeline, as more people are born into this Nazi-influenced world, their own ideas on Fascism might be shaped by the times they live in. A dark alternate spectrum of political thought based around fascism. As the centuries would move on, people would look back on the war in ways we don't even know now. In our timeline, centuries from now, World War II will remain a defining moment in mankind's history. This single conflict shaped the economic, social, and political changes that shaped our modern world. It will only grow more influential in the centuries to come, as the actions we make today influence the decisions of our descendants. World War II could've been the end to entire cultures. It already devastated so much of the globe, but it very well could've been worse, becoming a new chapter in human history. One not led by Nazis, but one led by people inspired by Hitler and have an influential say in the globe."''
-->--'''AlternateHistoryHub''' [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]], ''What if Nazi Germany Won World War II?''



->''"“Order prevails in Berlin!” You foolish lackeys! Your “order” is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will “rise up again, clashing its weapons,” and to your horror it will proclaim with trumpets blazing: I was, I am, I shall be!"''
-->-- '''Rosa Luxemburg''', mere hours before her arrest and subsequent murder by the Freikorps

->'''Tokath:''' I know that there are those among you who may question what I'm about to do. And you would not be wrong to do so. I have questioned myself. I have spent the night considering my decision, challenging myself to justify whether it is right. And I have reached the conclusion that it is absolutely necessary to put this man to death. [[WellIntentionedExtremist What we have built together would be destroyed by this man. And I cannot allow that to happen.]] I give you one last chance to accept our way of life.
->'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.
-->-- ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Birthright: Part II"

->''Put him up against the wall''\\
''Shoot him up with pentothal''\\
\\
''Shoot him up with lead''\\
''You won't call back what's been said''\\
''Put him in the ground''\\
''But one day you'll look around''\\
\\
''There'll be a face you don't know''\\
''Voicing thoughts you've heard before''
-->-- '''Music/BruceCockburn''', "Maybe The Poet"

-> '''Jerome Valeska:''' Good ol' Gordon. Always playing by the rules. That's why I'll outlive you. That's why I'm loved, 'cause I don't give a damn about the rules.\\
'''Jim Gordon:''' It's a long way down. You sure you'll outlive me?\\
'''Jerome:''' Oh, I'm sure, 'cause I'm more than a man. I'm an idea, a philosophy. And I will live on in the shadows within Gotham's discontent. You'll be seeing me soon. Au revoir!
-->-- ''Series/{{Gotham}}'', "[[Recap/GothamS4E18ThatsEntertainment That's Entertainment]]"



-> ''In overthrowing me you have cut down in [[UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}} Saint Domingue]] only the trunk of the tree of liberty; it will spring up again from the roots, for they are numerous and they are deep.''
-->--'''Toussaint Louverture'''

to:

-> ''In overthrowing me you have cut down in [[UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}} Saint Domingue]] only ->''"When some theorize about the trunk Nazi Germany winning World War II, they imagine the Nazis dominating the globe and surviving forever. This is entirely possible; it could've happened had the situation been right. Who knows? But as we see time and time again in human history, empires and countries fall. Even if they do not collapse, they change ideologies. Politics and societies evolve from one generation to the next. Even if Nazi Germany won the war, this doesn't mean the Reich that Hitler oversaw would survive forever. The 1940's German Reich that we think of certainly couldn't survive forever. So what is the biggest effect of a Nazi victory in this alternate timeline? Ideology."''

->''"Ideology shapes mankind. It shapes our beliefs, our morals to an extent, how we see ourselves as people on this Earth. The gods we worship, the politics we think, not in the current time but those few ideas are able to stick and, through the butterfly effect, define what we think it means to be human. The writings of Marx affected millions of people across the globe, either by force or by inspiration. Each idea is stuck at a crossroads whether it should survive or not. Fascism is no different. Forever legitimizing this political experiment in this alternate world, at least to the inhabitants. When the Nazis lost World War II in our timeline, the most important part was the death
of the tree ideology. The Nuremberg trials gave evidence to the atrocities that Nazism spawned, Hitler's war brought death and destruction to Germany, no mass resistance ever occurred to defend Hitler's legacy."''

->''"In this alternate timeline, this never happens. If the Nazis manage to maintain a successful nation until Hitler's death, the ideology he spurred would be immortalized. The best comparison is with the founding fathers and the United States. American politics is diverse, but no matter what, there is never a politician or mainstream figure who disagrees with the ideas
of liberty; it the founders and the constitution. This is because the ideology has become a part of the culture in the United States. As the founders died, they became more than men, but idols to look back on and emulate. The politics of each party is its own way of interpreting the words of the constitution. Not to compare the founders to the Nazis, but the same logic would still apply. If all went well for Nazi Germany, decades after Adolf Hitler's death, even if the Third Reich collapsed, there could be major differences between fascists and Nazi parties."''

->''"He would remain an idol to these alternate people throughout the world. As generations are born and can't remember a time before the Nazis, the ideology is normalized in the eyes of the people. Now this isn't to say the world would be Nazi, yet this would show that Nazism would play a much larger role in mankind's future than in our timeline. Marx's ideas are emulated and debated today among communists. In this alternate timeline, as more people are born into this Nazi-influenced world, their own ideas on Fascism might be shaped by the times they live in. A dark alternate spectrum of political thought based around fascism. As the centuries would move on, people would look back on the war in ways we don't even know now. In our timeline, centuries from now, World War II
will spring up again from remain a defining moment in mankind's history. This single conflict shaped the roots, for they are numerous economic, social, and they are deep.''
-->--'''Toussaint Louverture'''
political changes that shaped our modern world. It will only grow more influential in the centuries to come, as the actions we make today influence the decisions of our descendants. World War II could've been the end to entire cultures. It already devastated so much of the globe, but it very well could've been worse, becoming a new chapter in human history. One not led by Nazis, but one led by people inspired by Hitler and have an influential say in the globe."''
-->--'''AlternateHistoryHub''' [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]], ''What if Nazi Germany Won World War II?''

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-->-- Creator/PabloNeruda

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-->-- Creator/PabloNeruda
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-->--Inscription on the National Library of UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}

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-->--Inscription -->--'''Inscription on the National Library of UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}'''

-> ''In overthrowing me you have cut down in [[UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}} Saint Domingue]] only the trunk of the tree of liberty; it will spring up again from the roots, for they are numerous and they are deep.''
-->--'''Toussaint Louverture'''
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-->--Inscription on the National Library of UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}
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->''"“Order prevails in Berlin!” You foolish lackeys! Your “order” is built on sand. Tomorrow the revolution will “rise up again, clashing its weapons,” and to your horror it will proclaim with trumpets blazing: I was, I am, I shall be!"''
-->-- '''Rosa Luxemburg''', mere hours before her arrest and subsequent murder by the Freikorps
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-> ''They will be able to cut all the flowers, but they will not be able to stop the spring.''
-->-- Creator/PabloNeruda
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-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E9TheSatanPit "The Satan Pit"]]

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-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E9TheSatanPit [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E9TheSatanPit "The Satan Pit"]]
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->''"You can take my life. It doesn't matter anymore. [...] We fought for our dream and we lost, but you can't hold my people down forever. One day, we'll rise up again, and we will win. Go on. Shoot. What are you waiting for?"''
-->-- '''North''' [[spoiler:if Markus died at the freedom march, Jericho fails to win the Battle for Detroit under North's command, and Connor remained a loyal machine]], ''VideoGame/DetroitBecomeHuman''

->''"Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof."''
-->-- '''V''', ''ComicBook/VForVendetta''

->''"We failed, [[BenevolentAI Janet]]. But maybe someday, someone else will succeed."''
-->-- '''[[AscendedDemon Michael]]''', ''Series/TheGoodPlace'', "Jeremy Bearimy"

->''"Y'know, you can get rid of me. It's ''so'' easy. But the sweet thing is I'll never ''really'' be gone, 'cause I've got good ideas! And the thing about good ideas is they tend to kinda hang around like a bad fart."''
-->-- '''Mina Loveberry''' in a rare villainous example of this trope, ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', "Cleaved"

->''"The Devil is an idea. In all those civilizations, just an idea. But an idea is hard to kill. An idea could escape."''
-->-- '''The Tenth Doctor''', ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E9TheSatanPit "The Satan Pit"]]

-> ''Over time, any sentence uttered long and loud enough becomes fixed. Becomes a truth. Provided, of course, you can outlast the dissent and silence your opponents. But should you succeed – and remove all challengers – then what remains is, by default, now true.''\\
''Is it truth in some objective sense? No. But how does one ever achieve an objective point of view? The answer is you don't. It is literally, physically impossible. There are too many variables. Too many fields and formulae to consider. We can try, of course. We can inch closer and closer to a revelation. But we'll never reach it. Not ever...''\\
''And so I have realized, that so long as The Templars exist, they will attempt to bend reality to their will. They recognize there is no such thing as an absolute truth – or if there is – we are hopelessly under-equipped to recognize it. And so in its place, they seek to create their own explanation. It is the guiding principle of their so-named "New World Order"; to reshape existence in their own image. It is not about artifacts. Not about men. These are merely tools. It's about concepts. Clever of them. For how does one wage war against a concept?''\\
''It is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings – these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself... ''
-->--'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', "Codex"

-> ''"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world. An idea whose time has come."''
-->-- Anonymous

-> ''"If you gun down the messenger''\\
''You guarantee that he will be made into a saint''\\
''A martyr of the free word."''
-->-- '''Epica''', "Martyr of the Free Word"

-> ''"Ideas by man and only that will last''\\
''And over time we've learned from the past''\\
''That no man's fit to rule the world alone''\\
''A man will die but not his ideas."''
-->-- '''Ace Of Base''', "Happy Nation"

->''"Your kind is always looking for villains. So much better to have something- someone -to fight than face the reality of it: that what you're fighting isn't physical; it isn't even metaphysical! It's an idea made real. You can't shoot fireballs at an idea. Ideas are like viruses- invisible, all-pervasive... '''invincible'''."''
-->-- '''Freddy Beaumont''', ''Videogame/TheSecretWorld''

->"''It has been dead for a thousand years; but its idea is still alive. Have you ever fought an idea? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill.''"
-->-- '''Gowron''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Rightful Heir"

->"''You can deny me all you want, but you can't deny Ben Sisko! He exists! That future, that space station, all those people, they exist in here, in my mind! I created it, and every one of you knew it, you read it! It's here! Do you hear what I'm telling you?! You can pulp a story, but '''you cannot destroy an idea!''' Don't you understand?! That's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea! That future...I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand?! It's real...I created it, and it's real! '''It's real'''...''"
-->-- '''Cpt. Benjamin Sisko''' (as 1950s author Benny Russell), ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Far Beyond The Stars"

->''"I'd expect [[PlayerCharacter you]] to say that; you never truly believed in us. [[KnightTemplar Cerberus]] isn't just an organization or the people behind it. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not so easily destroyed."''
-->-- '''The Illusive Man''', ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''

->''You can destroy planets, but you can never destroy what I am, "friend".''
-->--'''Son Goku''' to '''Freeza''', ''Anime/DragonBallZ''

->''"You can put out the candle, but you can't put out the fire.''\\
''Once the flame begins to catch, the wind will blow it higher."''
-->-- '''Music/PeterGabriel''', Biko

->''"Even when your kind appears to triumph...Still we rise again. And do you know why? It is because the Order is born of a realization. We require no creed, no indoctrination by desperate old men. All we need is that the world be as it is. And THIS is why the Templars will never be destroyed!"''
-->-- '''Haytham Kenway''', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''

->''"The open source movement gave every idea an army of researchers. They turned military secrets into public knowledge, and children's science kits into [[SyntheticPlague biowarfare]] labs. That's how the Jews became extinct, why China is full of zombies, and why red hair is a death sentence. [[DepopulationBomb Two-thirds of the world's population died]] because of bigotry, insanity, or ancestral hatred. Because of ideas. There's only one way to kill an idea: you have to [[KillEmAll kill every person who holds it]]."''
-->-- '''Jacob Doe''', ''Webcomic/GenocideMan''

->''"I am the one thing you can never kill. I am Hope."''
-->-- '''Kelsier''' [[spoiler: right before dying]], ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Mistborn: The Final Empire]]''

->''"You can't fight ideas with bullets."''
-->-- '''Leo Gold''', '''''VideoGame/DeusEx'''''

->''"What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - fully understood - that sticks."''
-->-- '''Cobb''', ''Film/{{Inception}}''

->''"Cattle die, kinsmen die, you yourself will also die; but the fair fame never dies of him who has earned it."''
-->--'''[[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]]''', ''[[Literature/PoeticEdda Hávamál]]''

->''"[[{{Pun}} Venceréis, pero no convenceréis.]]"''[[note]]"[[LostInTranslation You will win, but you will not convince]]."[[/note]]
-->--'''Miguel de Unamuno''', [[UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar 1936]]

->''"'They can't get inside you,' she had said. [[DefiedTrope But they could get inside you]]. 'What happens to you here is forever,' O'Brien had said. That was a true word. There were things, your own acts, from which you could never recover. Something was killed in your breast: burnt out, cauterized out.''
-->-- ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''

->''"When some theorize about the Nazi Germany winning World War II, they imagine the Nazis dominating the globe and surviving forever. This is entirely possible; it could've happened had the situation been right. Who knows? But as we see time and time again in human history, empires and countries fall. Even if they do not collapse, they change ideologies. Politics and societies evolve from one generation to the next. Even if Nazi Germany won the war, this doesn't mean the Reich that Hitler oversaw would survive forever. The 1940's German Reich that we think of certainly couldn't survive forever. So what is the biggest effect of a Nazi victory in this alternate timeline? Ideology."''

->''"Ideology shapes mankind. It shapes our beliefs, our morals to an extent, how we see ourselves as people on this Earth. The gods we worship, the politics we think, not in the current time but those few ideas are able to stick and, through the butterfly effect, define what we think it means to be human. The writings of Marx affected millions of people across the globe, either by force or by inspiration. Each idea is stuck at a crossroads whether it should survive or not. Fascism is no different. Forever legitimizing this political experiment in this alternate world, at least to the inhabitants. When the Nazis lost World War II in our timeline, the most important part was the death of the ideology. The Nuremberg trials gave evidence to the atrocities that Nazism spawned, Hitler's war brought death and destruction to Germany, no mass resistance ever occurred to defend Hitler's legacy."''

->''"In this alternate timeline, this never happens. If the Nazis manage to maintain a successful nation until Hitler's death, the ideology he spurred would be immortalized. The best comparison is with the founding fathers and the United States. American politics is diverse, but no matter what, there is never a politician or mainstream figure who disagrees with the ideas of the founders and the constitution. This is because the ideology has become a part of the culture in the United States. As the founders died, they became more than men, but idols to look back on and emulate. The politics of each party is its own way of interpreting the words of the constitution. Not to compare the founders to the Nazis, but the same logic would still apply. If all went well for Nazi Germany, decades after Adolf Hitler's death, even if the Third Reich collapsed, there could be major differences between fascists and Nazi parties."''

->''"He would remain an idol to these alternate people throughout the world. As generations are born and can't remember a time before the Nazis, the ideology is normalized in the eyes of the people. Now this isn't to say the world would be Nazi, yet this would show that Nazism would play a much larger role in mankind's future than in our timeline. Marx's ideas are emulated and debated today among communists. In this alternate timeline, as more people are born into this Nazi-influenced world, their own ideas on Fascism might be shaped by the times they live in. A dark alternate spectrum of political thought based around fascism. As the centuries would move on, people would look back on the war in ways we don't even know now. In our timeline, centuries from now, World War II will remain a defining moment in mankind's history. This single conflict shaped the economic, social, and political changes that shaped our modern world. It will only grow more influential in the centuries to come, as the actions we make today influence the decisions of our descendants. World War II could've been the end to entire cultures. It already devastated so much of the globe, but it very well could've been worse, becoming a new chapter in human history. One not led by Nazis, but one led by people inspired by Hitler and have an influential say in the globe."''
-->--'''AlternateHistoryHub''' [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]], ''What if Nazi Germany Won World War II?''

->''"I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man."''
-->-- '''Last words of UsefulNotes/CheGuevara''', attributed.

->'''Tokath:''' I know that there are those among you who may question what I'm about to do. And you would not be wrong to do so. I have questioned myself. I have spent the night considering my decision, challenging myself to justify whether it is right. And I have reached the conclusion that it is absolutely necessary to put this man to death. [[WellIntentionedExtremist What we have built together would be destroyed by this man. And I cannot allow that to happen.]] I give you one last chance to accept our way of life.
->'''Worf:''' Those are eloquent word, Tokath, but the truth is, I am being executed because I brought something dangerous to your young people. Knowledge. Knowledge of their origins. Knowledge of the real reasons you are here in this camp. The truth is a threat to you.
-->-- ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Birthright: Part II"

->''Put him up against the wall''\\
''Shoot him up with pentothal''\\
\\
''Shoot him up with lead''\\
''You won't call back what's been said''\\
''Put him in the ground''\\
''But one day you'll look around''\\
\\
''There'll be a face you don't know''\\
''Voicing thoughts you've heard before''
-->-- '''Music/BruceCockburn''', "Maybe The Poet"

-> '''Jerome Valeska:''' Good ol' Gordon. Always playing by the rules. That's why I'll outlive you. That's why I'm loved, 'cause I don't give a damn about the rules.\\
'''Jim Gordon:''' It's a long way down. You sure you'll outlive me?\\
'''Jerome:''' Oh, I'm sure, 'cause I'm more than a man. I'm an idea, a philosophy. And I will live on in the shadows within Gotham's discontent. You'll be seeing me soon. Au revoir!
-->-- ''Series/{{Gotham}}'', "[[Recap/GothamS4E18ThatsEntertainment That's Entertainment]]"

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