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* '''Subverted''':
** After Bob puts the AssInAmbassador, Tropestan threatens to [[DisproportionateRetribution nuke Wikistan if they ever send someone like that again]].
** Tropestan launches a nuke at another country.
* '''Double Subverted''':
** If only for pragmatic reasons, Tropestan never intends to follow through with that threat, even if Wikistan ''does'' later send the worst diplomats ever.
** It's not Wikistan; it's a country that either does not have nukes, or has ''much'' less powerful ones, not a superpower with the same (or better) weapons.

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* '''Subverted''':
** After Bob puts the AssInAmbassador,
'''Subverted''': Tropestan threatens to [[DisproportionateRetribution nuke develops an anti nuclear defense system that will prevent Wikistan if they ever send someone like that again]].
** Tropestan launches a nuke at another country.
from nuking them back.
* '''Double Subverted''':
** If only for pragmatic reasons,
Subverted''': Tropestan never intends to follow scientists determine it will not prevent enough nukes from getting through with that threat, even if Wikistan ''does'' later send the worst diplomats ever.
** It's not Wikistan; it's a country that either does not have nukes, or has ''much'' less powerful ones, not a superpower with the same (or better) weapons.
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* '''Deconstructed''': With the ever surmounting forces of nuclear proliferation, both countries tend to leave themselves open to other problems besides Tropestan invading Wikistan and vice versa: terrorist groups, nuclear meltdowns, giant monsters, and even rogue superhumans getting their hands on either country's arsenal.

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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
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With the ever surmounting forces of nuclear proliferation, both countries tend to leave themselves open to other problems besides Tropestan invading Wikistan and vice versa: terrorist groups, nuclear meltdowns, giant monsters, and even rogue superhumans getting their hands on either country's arsenal.



* '''Reconstructed''': It may not stop all of the crazies, but as long as there's enough sane (or sane...ish) people in command who are afraid of this, a possibility of peace still exists.

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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
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It may not stop all of the crazies, but as long as there's enough sane (or sane...ish) people in command who are afraid of this, a possibility of peace still exists.exists.
** Tropestan can easily occupy the parts of Wikistan it wants with conventional military forces and the latter can't resist it the conventional way; however, the latter ''do'' have enough nuclear weapons to bring about worldwide ruin. Tropestan and the rest of the world wouldn't believe Wikistan if it said it would launch all its nukes, but Wikistan couches it in more vague language like "we reserve the right to use all measures to defend ourselves", and FogOfWar means it's impossible to tell for sure what Wikistan's government is thinking, whether it might actually be willing to drag the whole world with them if they are destroyed, means the conventional military operation is now too high of an existential risk for Tropestan to do.
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** Wikistan has invested greatly in its nuclear program... [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's]] ''[[CripplingOverspecialization all]]'' they have in terms of military force. When Tropestan occupies parts of their country, the leadership ends up being unable to respond since they wouldn't want to risk mutual annihilation for the loss of territory.

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** Wikistan has invested greatly in its nuclear program... [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's]] ''[[CripplingOverspecialization all]]'' [[CripplingOverspecialization they have have]] in terms of military force. When Tropestan occupies parts of their country, the leadership ends up being unable to respond in any meaningful fashion since the only option they wouldn't want to risk have is mutual annihilation annihilation, something the leaders of Wikistan are reluctant to do for the loss of territory.obvious reasons.
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** Wikistan has invested greatly in its nuclear program... [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's]] ''[[CripplingOverspecialization all]]'' they have in terms of military force. When Tropestan occupies parts of their country, the leadership ends up being unable to respond since they wouldn't want to risk mutual annihilation for the loss of territory.
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* '''Straight''': Tropestan ''hates'' [[{{Wiki/Wikipedia}} Wikistan]], but will never launch a nuclear warhead at them, because Tropestan knows that Wikistan ''also'' has nukes... and would not hesitate to retaliate.

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* '''Straight''': Tropestan ''hates'' [[{{Wiki/Wikipedia}} [[Website/{{Wikipedia}} Wikistan]], but will never launch a nuclear warhead at them, because Tropestan knows that Wikistan ''also'' has nukes... and would not hesitate to retaliate.
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* '''Reconstructed''': It may not stop all of the crazies, but as long as there's enough sane (or sane...ish) people in command who are afraid of this, a possibility of peace still exists.
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* ''Played For Horror''': [[MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds Why stop at having any of them be used by adults when a child could build one and/or use it all by oneself?]] Aside from enviromentalists, pacifists, and one's [[Creator/HideoKojima Kideo Hojima]] with the optional rabid fanbase, [[EvenEvilHasStandards even warhawks and terrorists would tremble at the thought of the world ending at the hands of a child!]]

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* ''Played '''Played For Horror''': [[MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds Why stop at having any of them be used by adults when a child could build one and/or use it all by oneself?]] Aside from [[ThinkOfTheChildren concerned parents]], enviromentalists, pacifists, and one's [[Creator/HideoKojima Kideo Hojima]] with the optional rabid fanbase, [[EvenEvilHasStandards even warhawks and terrorists would tremble at the thought of the world ending at the hands of a child!]]



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** Tropestan and Wikistan [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything show each other increasingly large...dildoes]].

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** Tropestan and Wikistan [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything show each other increasingly large... dildoes]].



* '''Exploited''': The government of Wikistan gradually downsizes its military spendings (apart from the units that service its nukes, and some other crucial ones like the Air Force or the Border Guard), being sure that as long as they have their nukes no one is going to invade them.

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* '''Exploited''': The government of Wikistan gradually downsizes its military spendings (apart from the units that service its nukes, nukes and some other crucial ones like the Air Force or and/or the Border Guard), being sure that as long as they have their nukes no one is going to invade them.



** [[GeneralRipper General Bob]] takes over the military of Tropestan, and the first thing he does is to launch all the nukes it has at Wikistan. So his own country is gonna get bombed to kingdom come as well -- what about it? As long as at least ''two'' Tropestan soldiers survive (and him to command them) and ''no'' Wikistanies survive at all, [[WeHaveReserves he's okay to call it a "victory".]]

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** [[GeneralRipper General Bob]] takes over the military of Tropestan, and the first thing he does is to launch all the nukes it has at Wikistan. So his own country is gonna get bombed to kingdom come as well -- what about it? As long as at least ''two'' Tropestan soldiers survive (and him to command them) and ''no'' Wikistanies Wikistanis survive at all, [[WeHaveReserves he's okay to call it a "victory".]]



** Tropestan starts its campaign military campaign to expand by attacking Dictionaryland to kingdom come with its nukes instead, because this latter country doesn't has nuclear measures in place (or maybe it does, but it's a variation of TheMoscowCriterion and [[ArmiesAreEvil Tropestan's military]] decides it can afford to lose its capital).

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** Tropestan starts its campaign military campaign to expand by attacking Dictionaryland to kingdom come with its nukes instead, because this the latter country doesn't has nuclear measures in place (or maybe it does, but it's a variation of TheMoscowCriterion UsefulNotes/TheMoscowCriterion and [[ArmiesAreEvil Tropestan's military]] decides it can afford to lose its capital).



* '''Deconstructed''': With the ever surmounting forces of nuclear proliferation, both countries tend to leave themselves open to other problems besides Tropestan invading Wikistan and vice versa: terrorist groups, nuclear meltdowns, giant monsters, and even rogue superhumans getting their hands on either country's arsenal.
* ''Played For Horror''': [[MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds Why stop at having any of them be used by adults when a child could build one and/or use it all by oneself?]] Aside from enviromentalists, pacifists, and one's [[Creator/HideoKojima Kideo Hojima]] with the optional rabid fanbase, [[EvenEvilHasStandards even warhawks and terrorists would tremble at the thought of the world ending at the hands of a child!]]



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* '''Straight''': Tropestan ''hates'' [[{{Wiki/Wikipedia}} Wikistan]], but will never launch a nuclear warhead at them, because Tropestan knows that Wikistan ''also'' has nukes...and would not hesitate to retaliate.

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* '''Straight''': Tropestan ''hates'' [[{{Wiki/Wikipedia}} Wikistan]], but will never launch a nuclear warhead at them, because Tropestan knows that Wikistan ''also'' has nukes... and would not hesitate to retaliate.



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* '''Downplayed''': ???Wikistan's cannot literally meet Tropestan's capacity for military might pound for pound, but it still can cause enough chaos through a different method (such as a greater capacity for information warfare) that will drive Tropestan to ruin if they try a full frontal assault.



** [[GeneralRipper General Bob]] takes over the military of Tropestan, and the first thing he does is to launch all the nukes it has at Wikistan.

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** [[GeneralRipper General Bob]] takes over the military of Tropestan, and the first thing he does is to launch all the nukes it has at Wikistan. So his own country is gonna get bombed to kingdom come as well -- what about it? As long as at least ''two'' Tropestan soldiers survive (and him to command them) and ''no'' Wikistanies survive at all, [[WeHaveReserves he's okay to call it a "victory".]]


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** Tropestan starts its campaign military campaign to expand by attacking Dictionaryland to kingdom come with its nukes instead, because this latter country doesn't has nuclear measures in place (or maybe it does, but it's a variation of TheMoscowCriterion and [[ArmiesAreEvil Tropestan's military]] decides it can afford to lose its capital).
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* '''Straight''': Tropestan ''hates'' [[TheOtherWiki Wikistan]], but will never launch a nuclear warhead at them, because Tropestan knows that Wikistan ''also'' has nukes...and would not hesitate to retaliate.

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* '''Straight''': Tropestan ''hates'' [[TheOtherWiki [[{{Wiki/Wikipedia}} Wikistan]], but will never launch a nuclear warhead at them, because Tropestan knows that Wikistan ''also'' has nukes...and would not hesitate to retaliate.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Tropestan will never send any branch of its military to Wikistan, because Tropestan knows that they have soldiers/sailors/airmen/SpaceMarines/etc. too.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Tropestan will never send any ''any'' branch of its military to Wikistan, because Tropestan knows that they have soldiers/sailors/airmen/SpaceMarines/etc. too.



** [[NukeTaboo Nuclear weapons don't exist]] InUniverse.

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** [[NukeTaboo [[NuclearWeaponsTaboo Nuclear weapons don't exist]] InUniverse.



* '''Invoked''': Tropestan and Wikistan develop some kind of rivalry or hatred for one another...and both develop nuclear weapons, and are aware of their rival/enemy doing likewise.
* '''Exploited''': The government of Wikistan gradually downsizes its military spendings (apart from the units that service its nukes, and some other crucial ones, like the Air Force or the Border Guard), being sure that as long as they have their nukes no one is going to invade them.
* '''Defied''': [[GeneralRipper General Bob]] takes over the military of Tropestan, and the first thing he does is to launch all the nukes it has at Wikistan.
* '''Discussed''': ???

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* '''Invoked''': Tropestan and Wikistan develop some kind of rivalry or hatred for one another... and both develop nuclear weapons, and are aware of their rival/enemy doing likewise.
* '''Exploited''': The government of Wikistan gradually downsizes its military spendings (apart from the units that service its nukes, and some other crucial ones, ones like the Air Force or the Border Guard), being sure that as long as they have their nukes no one is going to invade them.
* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
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[[GeneralRipper General Bob]] takes over the military of Tropestan, and the first thing he does is to launch all the nukes it has at Wikistan.Wikistan.
** The military leadership of Tropestan finds a less bloody way to take over Wikistan, like sending spec ops to Wikistan's nuclear facilities first to capture and disarm their nukes, so that the invasion by conventional forces would be easier; or supporting pro-Tropestan insurgencies in Wikistan so that they would eventually stage a coup in Wikistan's capitol and install a government loyal to Tropestan, etc.

* '''Discussed''': ???"Our intelligence reports tell us that so many of our neighboring countries actively developing mass destruction weapon programs. I say, shall we start pursuing it ourselves, so that in case of an invasion we could provide an adequate answer?"
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???



** Nuclear weapons don't exist InUniverse.

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** [[NukeTaboo Nuclear weapons don't exist exist]] InUniverse.



* '''Exploited''':
* '''Defied''': Tropestan launches all the nukes it has at Wikistan.

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* '''Exploited''':
'''Exploited''': The government of Wikistan gradually downsizes its military spendings (apart from the units that service its nukes, and some other crucial ones, like the Air Force or the Border Guard), being sure that as long as they have their nukes no one is going to invade them.
* '''Defied''': Tropestan launches [[GeneralRipper General Bob]] takes over the military of Tropestan, and the first thing he does is to launch all the nukes it has at Wikistan.
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** Tropestan and Wikistan [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything show each other]] [[FreudWasRight increasingly large...dildoes]].

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** Tropestan and Wikistan [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything show each other]] [[FreudWasRight other increasingly large...dildoes]].

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* '''Basic Trope''': A country with [[AtomicHate nukes]] (or other serious weapons) will not attack another country that has similar weapons.

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* '''Basic Trope''': A country with [[AtomicHate nukes]] (or other serious weapons) will not attack another country that has similar weapons.
weapons.



* '''Subverted''': After Bob puts the AssInAmbassador, Tropestan threatens to [[DisproportionateRetribution nuke Wikistan if they ever send someone like that again]].

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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
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After Bob puts the AssInAmbassador, Tropestan threatens to [[DisproportionateRetribution nuke Wikistan if they ever send someone like that again]].



* '''Double Subverted''': If only for pragmatic reasons, Tropestan never intends to follow through with that threat, even if Wikistan ''does'' later send the worst diplomats ever.

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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
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If only for pragmatic reasons, Tropestan never intends to follow through with that threat, even if Wikistan ''does'' later send the worst diplomats ever.



* '''Parodied''': Tropestan and Wikistan [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything show each other]] [[FreudWasRight increasingly large...dildoes]].

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* '''Parodied''': '''Parodied''':
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Tropestan and Wikistan [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything show each other]] [[FreudWasRight increasingly large...dildoes]].



* '''Averted''': Tropestan and Wikistan don't threaten each other with nukes, and may not even ''have'' them.

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* '''Averted''': '''Averted''':
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Tropestan and Wikistan don't threaten each other with nukes, and may not even ''have'' them.



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** The threat is over something trivial, such as ShipToShipCombat involving the leaders of Tropestan and Wikistan.



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Lampshaded: ???\n Invoked: ???\n Exploited: ???\n Defied: ???\n Discussed: ???\n Conversed: *'''Lampshaded''': "We can't nuke Wikistan! If we do, they'll do the same to us!"
*'''Invoked''': Tropestan and Wikistan develop some kind of rivalry or hatred for one another...and both develop nuclear weapons, and are aware of their rival/enemy doing likewise.
*'''Exploited''':
*'''Defied''': Tropestan launches all the nukes it has at Wikistan.
*'''Discussed''': ???
*'''Conversed''':
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*'''Basic Trope''': A country with [[AtomicHate nukes]] (or other serious weapons) will not attack another country that has similar weapons.

*'''Straight''': Tropestan ''hates'' [[TheOtherWiki Wikistan]], but will never launch a nuclear warhead at them, because Tropestan knows that Wikistan ''also'' has nukes...and would not hesitate to retaliate.
*'''Exaggerated''': Tropestan will never send any branch of its military to Wikistan, because Tropestan knows that they have soldiers/sailors/airmen/SpaceMarines/etc. too.
*'''Downplayed''': ???
*'''Justified''': It's not a good idea to use something as serious as a nuke against a rival nation that has the same; to do so would cause them to retaliate (and possibly get other countries involved, too).
*'''Inverted''': Tropestan launches a nuke at Wikistan precisely ''because'' they have nukes, too; Tropestan wants to wipe out Wikistan by launching before Wikistan has a chance.
*'''Subverted''': After Bob puts the AssInAmbassador, Tropestan threatens to [[DisproportionateRetribution nuke Wikistan if they ever send someone like that again]].
** Tropestan launches a nuke at another country.
*'''Double Subverted''': If only for pragmatic reasons, Tropestan never intends to follow through with that threat, even if Wikistan ''does'' later send the worst diplomats ever.
** It's not Wikistan; it's a country that either does not have nukes, or has ''much'' less powerful ones, not a superpower with the same (or better) weapons.
*'''Parodied''': Tropestan and Wikistan [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything show each other]] [[FreudWasRight increasingly large...dildoes]].
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*'''Averted''': Tropestan and Wikistan don't threaten each other with nukes, and may not even ''have'' them.
** Tropestan and Wikistan are allies.
** Nuclear weapons don't exist InUniverse.
*'''Enforced''': TruthInTelevision, RuleOfDrama
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