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* '''Defied''': Bob knows Alice will resent the strict training regiment she has him under, so he allows Alice opportunities to try new things.

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* '''Defied''': Bob knows Alice will resent the strict training regiment she he has him her under, so he allows Alice opportunities to try new things.



** Alice becomes a world-class musician, playing to sold-out crowds at major concert halls. Bob, still bitter that Alice didn't go into a career about fighting, gets surrounded by reporters, journalists, bloggers, and fans requesting for Bob to talk about his daughter's rise to fame. Bob, unable to deal with constant reminders that her daughter is a successful ''musician'' and not a warrior and knowing she will never sway Alice back to fighting, commits suicide with a note reading, "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) The world will never understand.]]"
** The steps Bob takes to keep Alice on the path to becoming a warrior are flat-out child abuse and even when they lead him to get arrested and tossed into prison for life, he's either distraught that society decided to stand behind Alice and her "stupid dream" instead of his efforts at doing his job as a parent or he's proud that part of the denouement was Alice reaching her RageBreakingPoint and smashing his nose in just the way he taught her, crowing that she may still have a future as a warrior even as everybody looks at him like he's gone insane.

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** Alice becomes a world-class musician, playing to sold-out crowds at major concert halls. Bob, still bitter that Alice didn't go into a career about fighting, gets surrounded by reporters, journalists, bloggers, and fans requesting for Bob to talk about his daughter's rise to fame. Bob, unable to deal with constant reminders that her his daughter is a successful ''musician'' and not a warrior and knowing she he will never sway Alice back to fighting, commits suicide with a note reading, "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) The world will never understand.]]"
** The steps Bob takes to keep Alice on the path to becoming a warrior are flat-out child abuse and even when abuse. When they lead him to get getting arrested and tossed into prison for life, he's either distraught that society decided to stand behind Alice and her "stupid dream" instead of his efforts at doing his job as a parent parent; or he's proud that part of the denouement was Alice reaching her RageBreakingPoint and smashing his nose in just the way he taught her, crowing that she may still have a future as a warrior even as everybody looks at him like he's gone insane.

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** The steps Bob takes to keep Alice on the path to becoming a warrior are flat-out child abuse and even when they lead him to get arrested and tossed into prison for life, he's either distraught that society decided to stand behind Alice and her "stupid dream" instead of his efforts at doing his job as a parent or he's proud that part of the denouement was Alice reaching her RageBreakingPoint and smashing his nose in just the way he taught her, crowing that she may still have a future as a warrior even as everybody looks at him like he's gone insane.

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** Bob badgers and relentlessly tries to manipulate Alice... into being a world-famous science-fiction writer and astronaut. Alice would rather be a dentist, or an electrician, if given the choice.


* '''Gender Inverted''': Andrew loves to play the piano, but her mother Betty forbids him from playing because it takes time away from his warrior training.

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* '''Gender Inverted''': Andrew loves to play the piano, but her his mother Betty forbids him from playing because it takes time away from his warrior training.


* '''Straight''': Alice loves to play the piano, but her mother Betty forbids her from playing because it takes time away from her warrior training.

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* '''Straight''': Alice loves to play the piano, but her mother Betty father Bob forbids her from playing because it takes time away from her warrior training.



** Alice is [[MadArtist obsessed with playing the piano]] to the point of self harm, and Betty wants nothing more than for Alice to be a BloodKnight.
** Alice wants to play the piano really bad. Betty can't have that, so Betty kills off every piano teacher in the town and blows up the local musical instrument stores ensuring that Alice cannot possibly play the piano.
* '''Downplayed''': Betty buys a piano for Alice and signs her up for lessons, but seems skeptical that she could pursue it professionally. She pressures her to prioritize her warrior training.

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** Alice is [[MadArtist obsessed with playing the piano]] to the point of self harm, and Betty Bob wants nothing more than for Alice to be a BloodKnight.
** Alice wants to play the piano really bad. Betty Bob can't have that, so Betty Bob kills off every piano teacher in the town and blows up the local musical instrument stores ensuring that Alice cannot possibly play the piano.
* '''Downplayed''': Betty Bob buys a piano for Alice and signs her up for lessons, but seems skeptical that she could pursue it professionally. She He pressures her to prioritize her warrior training.



** Alice is young and her ideas for her future are likely foolish or unlikely to succeed. Betty just wants Alice to have a fallback set of skills.
** Betty [[AbusiveParents despises Alice]] and is [[ManipulativeBastard deliberately trying to crush Alice's spirit]]. She demands Alice [[SnipeHunt meet an impossible goal]] while [[ControlFreak shaming everything she does that's unrelated]].
** Betty comes from a culture where AsskickingEqualsAuthority, and she believes teaching Alice to fight will help gain respect for the both of them more so than if Alice learns playing the piano.
** Betty wants something to show off to other parents, and she'd rather show off that her daughter is a skilled warrior than an accomplished musician.
** After years, Alice still plays the piano like a beginner, but Betty notices she can effortlessly defeat bullies at school who pick on her. Betty just wants Alice to play to her strengths.
** Betty is a ControlFreak and wants absolute control over her daughter's activities. Betty planned out for Alice to be a warrior and will not let Alice do anything else.
** Betty was taught by her own mother to be an accomplished fighter. She wants Alice to [[FollowInMyFootsteps follow in her footsteps]] because fighting is the only thing Betty knows how to teach, and Betty feels ashamed if her daughter pursues a path in which Betty cannot help.

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** Alice is young and her ideas for her future are likely foolish or unlikely to succeed. Betty Bob just wants Alice to have a fallback set of skills.
** Betty Bob [[AbusiveParents despises Alice]] and is [[ManipulativeBastard deliberately trying to crush Alice's spirit]]. She He demands Alice [[SnipeHunt meet an impossible goal]] while [[ControlFreak shaming everything she does that's unrelated]].
** Betty Bob comes from a culture where AsskickingEqualsAuthority, and she he believes teaching Alice to fight will help gain respect for the both of them more so than if Alice learns playing the piano.
** Betty Bob wants something to show off to other parents, and she'd he'd rather show off that her his daughter is a skilled warrior than an accomplished musician.
** After years, Alice still plays the piano like a beginner, but Betty Bob notices she can effortlessly defeat bullies at school who pick on her. Betty Bob just wants Alice to play to her strengths.
** Betty Bob is a ControlFreak and wants absolute control over her his daughter's activities. Betty Bob planned out for Alice to be a warrior and will not let Alice do anything else.
** Betty Bob was taught by her his own mother to be an accomplished fighter. She He wants Alice to [[FollowInMyFootsteps follow in her footsteps]] because fighting is the only thing Betty Bob knows how to teach, and Betty Bob feels ashamed if her his daughter pursues a path in which Betty Bob cannot help.



** Betty has to badger Alice into doing things other than taking up the family business or following in Betty's footsteps.
** Alice thinks that her mom shouldn't pursue a degree or get a job once all her children grow up.
* '''Subverted''': Betty encourages Alice to experiment and do the things she loves best.
* '''Double Subverted''': ... but secretly sabotages all these attempts to drive Alice into willingly doing what Betty wants.

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** Betty Bob has to badger Alice into doing things other than taking up the family business or following in Betty's Bob's footsteps.
** Alice thinks that her mom dad shouldn't pursue a degree or get a job once all her his children grow up.
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* '''Gender Inverted''': Andrew loves to play the piano, but her mother Betty forbids him from playing because it takes time away from his warrior training.
* '''Subverted''': Betty Bob encourages Alice to experiment and do the things she loves best.
* '''Double Subverted''': ... but secretly sabotages all these attempts to drive Alice into willingly doing what Betty Bob wants.



** Alice fights tooth and nail to play the piano... and she ''sucks''. Betty wants Alice to be a warrior because she think's she'd be successful at it... and she sucks at that ''too!''
** Betty finds a way to kill two birds with one stone: Lock Alice and her piano teacher up in a room, give both of them weapons, and forces Alice to kill her piano teacher.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Betty disapproves of Alice's hobbies, but it's only teasing. Alice prefers her hobbies to what her mom wants her to do, only to realize she doesn't like those hobbies and is doing it solely to rebel.
* '''Averted''': Alice doesn't have hobbies that distract her from her true calling, and Betty wouldn't mind if she did because they help round out a person.

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** Alice fights tooth and nail to play the piano... and she ''sucks''. Betty Bob wants Alice to be a warrior because she think's he thinks she'd be successful at it... and she sucks at that ''too!''
** Betty Bob finds a way to kill two birds with one stone: Lock Alice and her piano teacher up in a room, give both of them weapons, and forces Alice to kill her piano teacher.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Betty Bob disapproves of Alice's hobbies, but it's only teasing. Alice prefers her hobbies to what her mom dad wants her him to do, only to realize she he doesn't like those hobbies and is doing it solely to rebel.
* '''Averted''': Alice doesn't have hobbies that distract her from her true calling, and Betty Bob wouldn't mind if she he did because they help round out a person.



* '''Lampshaded''': "Alice, I realize I sound just like my own mother when I say this..."

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* '''Lampshaded''': "Alice, I realize I sound just like my own mother father when I say this..."



** Alice wants to make Betty angry, so she takes up hobbies that she knows will annoy her.
** Betty wants Alice to become passionate about something, so she tries to forbid her hobbies to help her find the one she truly loves.
* '''Exploited''': Clara, Alice's jealous younger sister, tells Betty rumors about Alice not training in favor of hobbies.
* '''Defied''': Betty knows Alice will resent the strict training regiment she has her under, so she allows Alice opportunities to try new things.
* '''Discussed''': "Betty, forcing Alice to follow a path she don't want, ''and'' denying her choice won't end well."

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** Alice wants to make Betty Bob angry, so she takes up hobbies that she knows will annoy her.him.
** Betty Bob wants Alice to become passionate about something, so she he tries to forbid her hobbies to help her find the one she truly loves.
* '''Exploited''': Clara, Betty, Alice's jealous younger sister, tells Betty Bob rumors about Alice not training in favor of hobbies.
* '''Defied''': Betty Bob knows Alice will resent the strict training regiment she has her him under, so she he allows Alice opportunities to try new things.
* '''Discussed''': "Betty, "Bob, forcing Alice to follow a path she don't want, ''and'' denying her choice won't end well."



* '''Deconstructed''': Betty does this to relive her dreams by proxy, which were ironically taken taken from her by a mother doing the exact same thing.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice and Betty live in a world where Alice doing anything ''but'' what Betty knows to be best will mean Alice's suffering or death later in life. Like a post apocalyptic world or royal family.
* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': Usually this plot is used to make Alice sympathetic and ends with Betty reconsidering her opinion. It's instead used to make Betty sympathetic by showcasing how she better knows Alice's strengths and what it would take for her to succeed, while Alice is oblivious and disrespectful.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Betty Bob does this to relive her his dreams by proxy, which were ironically taken taken from her him by a mother father doing the exact same thing.
* '''Reconstructed''': Alice and Betty Bob live in a world where Alice doing anything ''but'' what Betty Bob knows to be best will mean Alice's suffering or death later in life. Like a post apocalyptic world or royal family.
* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': Usually this plot is used to make Alice sympathetic and ends with Betty Bob reconsidering her opinion. It's instead used to make Betty Bob sympathetic by showcasing how she he better knows Alice's strengths and what it would take for her to succeed, while Alice is oblivious and disrespectful.



** Alice is awful at her hobbies, and Betty's idea of a good career goal for Alice would make her dirt poor and miserable.
** Betty throws a tantrum any time someone tells her that Alice is wonderful at playing the piano.
** Alice plays the piano on national broadcast. Betty runs screaming onto the stage, destroys the piano, and drags Alice away, kicking and screaming. The audience applauds, thinking it was part of the performance.

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** Alice is awful at her hobbies, and Betty's Bob's idea of a good career goal for Alice would make her dirt poor and miserable.
** Betty Bob throws a tantrum any time someone tells her him that Alice is wonderful at playing the piano.
** Alice plays the piano on national broadcast. Betty Bob runs screaming onto the stage, destroys the piano, and drags Alice away, kicking and screaming. The audience applauds, thinking it was part of the performance.



** The strain tears Alice and Betty apart, and leads to both leading unhappy lives.
** Alice becomes a world-class musician, playing to sold-out crowds at major concert halls. Betty, still bitter that Alice didn't go into a career about fighting, gets surrounded by reporters, journalists, bloggers, and fans requesting for Betty to talk about her daughter's rise to fame. Betty, unable to deal with constant reminders that her daughter is a successful ''musician'' and not a warrior and knowing she will never sway Alice back to fighting, commits suicide with a note reading, "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) The world will never understand.]]"

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** The strain tears Alice and Betty Bob apart, and leads to both leading unhappy lives.
** Alice becomes a world-class musician, playing to sold-out crowds at major concert halls. Betty, Bob, still bitter that Alice didn't go into a career about fighting, gets surrounded by reporters, journalists, bloggers, and fans requesting for Betty Bob to talk about her his daughter's rise to fame. Betty, Bob, unable to deal with constant reminders that her daughter is a successful ''musician'' and not a warrior and knowing she will never sway Alice back to fighting, commits suicide with a note reading, "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) The world will never understand.]]"


* '''Exaggerated''': Alice is [[MadArtist obsessed with playing the piano]] to the point of self harm, and Betty wants nothing more than for Alice to be a BloodKnight.

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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
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Alice is [[MadArtist obsessed with playing the piano]] to the point of self harm, and Betty wants nothing more than for Alice to be a BloodKnight.BloodKnight.
** Alice wants to play the piano really bad. Betty can't have that, so Betty kills off every piano teacher in the town and blows up the local musical instrument stores ensuring that Alice cannot possibly play the piano.



** Betty comes from a culture where AsskickingEqualsAuthority, and she believes teaching Alice to fight will help gain respect for the both of them more so than if Alice learns playing the piano.
** Betty wants something to show off to other parents, and she'd rather show off that her daughter is a skilled warrior than an accomplished musician.
** After years, Alice still plays the piano like a beginner, but Betty notices she can effortlessly defeat bullies at school who pick on her. Betty just wants Alice to play to her strengths.
** Betty is a ControlFreak and wants absolute control over her daughter's activities. Betty planned out for Alice to be a warrior and will not let Alice do anything else.
** Betty was taught by her own mother to be an accomplished fighter. She wants Alice to [[FollowInMyFootsteps follow in her footsteps]] because fighting is the only thing Betty knows how to teach, and Betty feels ashamed if her daughter pursues a path in which Betty cannot help.



* '''Parodied''': Alice fights tooth and nail to play the piano... and she ''sucks''. Betty wants Alice to be a warrior because she think's she'd be successful at it... and she sucks at that ''too!''

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* '''Parodied''': '''Parodied''':
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Alice fights tooth and nail to play the piano... and she ''sucks''. Betty wants Alice to be a warrior because she think's she'd be successful at it... and she sucks at that ''too!''''too!''
** Betty finds a way to kill two birds with one stone: Lock Alice and her piano teacher up in a room, give both of them weapons, and forces Alice to kill her piano teacher.



* '''Played For Laughs''': Alice is awful at her hobbies, and Betty's idea of a good career goal for Alice would make her dirt poor and miserable.
* '''Played For Drama''': The strain tears Alice and Betty apart, and leads to both leading unhappy lives.

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* '''Played For Laughs''': Laughs''':
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Alice is awful at her hobbies, and Betty's idea of a good career goal for Alice would make her dirt poor and miserable.
** Betty throws a tantrum any time someone tells her that Alice is wonderful at playing the piano.
** Alice plays the piano on national broadcast. Betty runs screaming onto the stage, destroys the piano, and drags Alice away, kicking and screaming. The audience applauds, thinking it was part of the performance.
* '''Played For Drama''': Drama''':
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The strain tears Alice and Betty apart, and leads to both leading unhappy lives.lives.
** Alice becomes a world-class musician, playing to sold-out crowds at major concert halls. Betty, still bitter that Alice didn't go into a career about fighting, gets surrounded by reporters, journalists, bloggers, and fans requesting for Betty to talk about her daughter's rise to fame. Betty, unable to deal with constant reminders that her daughter is a successful ''musician'' and not a warrior and knowing she will never sway Alice back to fighting, commits suicide with a note reading, "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) The world will never understand.]]"


* '''Downplayed''':
** Betty buys a piano for Alice and signs her up for lessons, but seems skeptical that she could pursue it professionally. She pressures her to prioritize her warrior training.

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* '''Downplayed''':
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'''Downplayed''': Betty buys a piano for Alice and signs her up for lessons, but seems skeptical that she could pursue it professionally. She pressures her to prioritize her warrior training.


** Both agree that Alice can choose her own life, and that Betty has Alice's interests at heart. So straining their relationship by totally disregarding the other's wishes is foolish.


* '''Justified''': Alice is young and her ideas for her future are likely foolish or unlikely to succeed. Betty just wants Alice to have a fallback set of skills.

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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
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Alice is young and her ideas for her future are likely foolish or unlikely to succeed. Betty just wants Alice to have a fallback set of skills.

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** Betty [[AbusiveParents despises Alice]] and is [[ManipulativeBastard deliberately trying to crush Alice's spirit]]. She demands Alice [[SnipeHunt meet an impossible goal]] while [[ControlFreak shaming everything she does that's unrelated]].


[[{{Full Name Ultimatum}} Alice Marie Troperson]], how many times do I have to tell you, go back to {{Fantasy-Forbidding Father}}! You'll never amount to anything if you hang around with riff-raff like this page.

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[[{{Full Name Ultimatum}} [[FullNameUltimatum Alice Marie Troperson]], how many times do I have to tell you, go back to {{Fantasy-Forbidding Father}}! FantasyForbiddingFather! You'll never amount to anything if you hang around with riff-raff like this page.


* '''Downplayed''': Both agree that Alice can choose her own life, and that Betty has Alice's interests at heart. So straining their relationship by totally disregarding the other's wishes is foolish.

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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
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Both agree that Alice can choose her own life, and that Betty has Alice's interests at heart. So straining their relationship by totally disregarding the other's wishes is foolish.
** Betty buys a piano for Alice and signs her up for lessons, but seems skeptical that she could pursue it professionally. She pressures her to prioritize her warrior training.


* '''Inverted''': Betty has to badger Alice into doing things other than taking up the family business or following in Betty's footsteps.

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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
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Betty has to badger Alice into doing things other than taking up the family business or following in Betty's footsteps.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Betty disapproves of Alice's hobbies, but it's only teasing. Alice prefers her hobbies to what her mom want's her to do, only to realize she doesn't like those hobbies and is doing it solely to rebel.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Betty disapproves of Alice's hobbies, but it's only teasing. Alice prefers her hobbies to what her mom want's wants her to do, only to realize she doesn't like those hobbies and is doing it solely to rebel.



* '''Invoked''': Alice wants to make Betty angry, so she takes up hobbies that she knows will annoy her.

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Alice wants to make Betty angry, so she takes up hobbies that she knows will annoy her.





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Back [[{{Full Name Ultimatum}} Alice Marie Troperson]], how many times do I have to tell you, go back to {{Fantasy-Forbidding Father}}.Father}}! You'll never amount to anything if you hang around with riff-raff like this page.


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