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** Evidence prooves that Beethoven ''was'' a Tropelonian... and then lost historical records are discovered, showing that the setting is Tropelon, not Earth. ...And then it turns out Beethoven was really from Earth all along.
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** Evidence prooves proves that Beethoven ''was'' a Tropelonian... and then lost historical records are discovered, showing that the setting is Tropelon, not Earth. ...And then it turns out Beethoven was really from Earth all along.
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** The character isn't a historical figure, but is instead [[{{Expy}} based off them]].
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** Their involvement wasn't divergent with their existing role. J. Edgar Hoover's involvement with alien cover ups at the time wasn't really a much of a surprise given that you were dealing with domestic coverups of aliens in his time.
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* '''Subverted''': Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropelon but it turns out to be nothing more than stories and rumors to which there is nothing.
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** Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropelon but it turns out to be nothing more than stories and rumors to which there is nothing.
** Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropelon but it turns out to be nothing more than stories and rumors to which there is nothing.
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** A historical figure doesn't have any supernatural traits while alive and only gets them after being [[OurVampiresAreDifferent raised]] [[OurGhostsAreDifferent from]] [[OurSpiritsAreDifferent the]] [[TheUndead dead]].
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** It's never ''stated'' that Beethoven was an alien spy from planet Tropelon, but is is implied.
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** [[NapoleonDelusion The alien spy from Tropelon]] ''[[NapoleonDelusion thinks]]'' [[NapoleonDesusion he's Beethoven, but he really isn't.]]
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** [[NapoleonDelusion The alien spy from Tropelon]] ''[[NapoleonDelusion thinks]]'' [[NapoleonDesusion [[NapoleonDelusion he's Beethoven, but he really isn't.]]
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** Or, every RealLife historical figure has something to do with something weird. JohnLennon was a vampire hunter, Isaac Newton was switched with a copy by aliens, etc.
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** Or, every RealLife historical figure has something to do with something weird. JohnLennon Music/JohnLennon was a vampire hunter, Isaac Newton was switched with a copy by aliens, etc.
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** Everyone ''except'' Beethoven was an alien spy.
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* '''Parodied''': If you play the "Ode to Joy" backwards, you can hear the chorus chanting "I am from Tropelon!"
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** If you play the "Ode to Joy" backwards, you can hear the chorus chanting "I am from Tropelon!"
** If you play the "Ode to Joy" backwards, you can hear the chorus chanting "I am from Tropelon!"
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Evidence prooves that Beethoven ''was'' a Tropelonian... and then lost historical records are discovered, showing that the setting is Tropelon, not Earth. ...And then it turns out Beethoven was really from Earth all along.
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** Evidence prooves that Beethoven ''was'' a Tropelonian... and then lost historical records are discovered, showing that the setting is Tropelon, not Earth. ...And then it turns out Beethoven was really from Earth all along.
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** Colonel Sanders was an alien spy from Tropelan.
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** This is a universe with FunctionalMagic, common alien interaction or [[ClarkesThirdLaw both.]] Major historical figures would obviously try to take advantage of it.
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** Their involvement wasn't divergent with their existing role. J. Edgar Hoover's involvement with alien cover ups at the time wasn't really a much of a surprise given that you were dealing with domestic coverups of aliens in his time.
** Beethoven was just a regular great composer. Until he got replaced by aliens. Alice gets the aliens to release him and leave by impersonating their legendary and revered figure Allistondas, the ruler of the first city. However Alice really was her - she ended up going back in time later and filling her role in a stable time loop.
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* '''Exploited''': ???Alice upon getting stuck in the past decides to seek out historic figures because they are most likely aliens who would either have or help lead to time travel. Space travelers have better technology to work with after all.
* '''Played For Laughs''': Beethoven is obviously [[WeirdnessCensor a seven foot tall lizardman like alien]] [[PaperThinDisguise wearing just a powdered wig]]. When Alice points this out they consider her utterly mad.
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* '''Straight''': Ludwig van Beethoven, one of the greatest composers of all time, was really an alien spy for the planet Tropetron.
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* '''Straight''': Ludwig van Beethoven, one of the greatest composers of all time, was really an alien spy for the planet Tropetron.Tropelon.
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** Tropetronians have been observing human history for quite some time, and have access to technology and mental abilities far beyond humans; it is natural that a few of them would stick out.
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** Humans land on Tropetron and infiltrate its society to observe them. Some famous figures in Tropetronian history are humans in disguise.
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** Humans land on Tropetron Tropelon and infiltrate its society to observe them. Some famous figures in Tropetronian Tropelonian history are humans in disguise.
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* '''Subverted''': Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron but it turns out to be nothing more than stories and rumors to which there is nothing.
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* '''Subverted''': Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron Tropelon but it turns out to be nothing more than stories and rumors to which there is nothing.
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** Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron. It is later discovered that this evidence was fabricated...by a cabal of vampires who invented the idea of "Tropetronian observers" to cover up their own existence. Beethoven was one of these vampires.
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** Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron.Tropelon. It is later discovered that this evidence was fabricated...by a cabal of vampires who invented the idea of "Tropetronian "Tropetlnian observers" to cover up their own existence. Beethoven was one of these vampires.
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* '''Parodied''': If you play the "Ode to Joy" backwards, you can hear the chorus chanting "I am from Tropetron!"
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Evidence prooves that Beethoven ''was'' a Tropetronian... and then lost historical records are discovered, showing that the setting is Tropetron, not Earth. ...And then it turns out Beethoven was really from Earth all along.
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* '''Parodied''': If you play the "Ode to Joy" backwards, you can hear the chorus chanting "I am from Tropetron!"
Tropelon!"
* '''Zig Zagged''': Evidence prooves that Beethoven ''was'' aTropetronian... Tropelonian... and then lost historical records are discovered, showing that the setting is Tropetron, Tropelon, not Earth. ...And then it turns out Beethoven was really from Earth all along.
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* '''Invoked''': Tropetronian agents are under orders to attempt to influence human culture as much as they possibly can.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Beethoven was a normal human being which shared a body with a Tropetronian in return for his musical skill, making him appear perfectly human from birth to death.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Beethoven was a normal human being which shared a body with a Tropetronian Tropelonian in return for his musical skill, making him appear perfectly human from birth to death.
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** Along with nearly every other German/Austrian composer active at around the same time.
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* '''Subverted''': Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron but it turns out to be nothing more than stories and rumors to which there is nothing.
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** Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron. It is later discovered that this evidence was fabricated...by a cabal of vampires who invented the idea of "Tropetronian observers" to cover up their own existence. Beethoven was one of these vampires.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Beethoven was a normal human being which shared a body with a Tropetronian in return for his musical skill, making him appear perfectly human from birth to death.
* '''Reconstructed''': Beethoven was a normal human being which shared a body with a Tropetronian in return for his musical skill, making him appear perfectly human from birth to death.
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* '''Averted''': Ludwig van Beethoven, one of the greatest composers who ever lived, was an exceptional human being, no more, no less.
* '''Enforced''': The author is a fan of classical music and wants to find a way to work his favorite composer into the story, even if it is just a throw away reference.
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* '''Averted''': Ludwig van Beethoven, one of the greatest composers who ever lived, was an exceptional human being, no more, no less.
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* '''Conversed''': "If the aliens needed a competent spy, why'd they choose ''Beethoven''?"
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* '''Conversed''': "If the aliens needed a competent spy, why'd they choose ''Beethoven''?" ''Beethoven''?"
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* '''Deconstructed''': TheIlluminati have been manipulating history and the media to promote their former members' fame and profile, and thus make people believe that history is decided by a small number of great individuals. They believe this will prevent uprisings and maintain their position as a secretive oligarchy. In reality, there wasn't much special about Beethoven - he's only famous ''because'' he was part of TheMasquerade.
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**"Your majesty, our glorious empire needs to find out about these humans while they are still weak. Lets insert an agent as a famous music composer entertaining rich people; that way he will keep an eye on important human rulers and they will never suspect us."
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** Humans land on Tropetron and infiltrate its society to observe them. Some famous figures in Tropetronian history are humans in disguise.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron. It is later discovered that this evidence was fabricated...by a cabal of vampires who invented the idea of "Tropetronian observers" to cover up their own existence. Beethoven was one of these vampires.
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** Evidence is revealed indicating that Beethoven was a spy for Tropetron. It is later discovered that this evidence was fabricated...by a cabal of vampires who invented the idea of "Tropetronian observers" to cover up their own existence. Beethoven was one of these vampires.
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* '''Discussed''': "Beethoven? A spy? Only spacemen from Venus would even ''consider'' him as a spy!"
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* '''Discussed''': "Beethoven? A spy? Only spacemen from Venus would be crazy enough to even ''consider'' him using a deaf composer as a spy!"
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