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* In ''WebVideo/EscapeTheNight'', some of the guests cross the line. Mostly by SpeakingIllOfTheDead, whicb is usually a sign they don't have the groups best interests at heart.
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* In ''WebVideo/EscapeTheNight'', some of the guests cross the line. Mostly by SpeakingIllOfTheDead, whicb [[SpeakIllOfTheDead speaking ill of the dead]], which is usually a sign they don't have the groups best interests at heart.
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** DeStorm definitely crossed the line when he mocked Lauren's death in front of Alex, just to KickTheDog. He continues to do this after seeing how much it affects Alex' mental state, mostly for sadistic pleasure.
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** DeStorm [=DeStorm=] definitely crossed the line when he mocked Lauren's death in front of Alex, just to KickTheDog. He continues to do this after seeing how much it affects Alex' mental state, mostly for sadistic pleasure.
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* In ''WebVideo/EscapeTheNight'', some of the guests cross the line. Mostly by SpeakingIllOfTheDead, whicb is usually a sign they don’t have the groups best interests at heart.
** GloZell claims to be protecting the group when she turns everyone against Justine, but her callous mocking of her after she dies and trying to shift the blame to Joey makes it clear that she only got rid of them because of {{Greed}} rather then being the WellIntentionedExtremist she claims herself to be.
** Matt didn’t cross it when he murdered Sierra, which was [[AccidentalMurder purely accidental]]. He did cross it when he used her death to mock Lele and Eva and later tries to cheat in a challenge against his OnlyFriend Timothy.
** DeStorm definitely crossed the line when he mocked Lauren’s death in front of Alex, just to KickTheDog. He continues to do this after seeing how much it affects Alex’ mental state, mostly for sadistic pleasure.
** Nikita crosses it when she shoots Manny out of self-preservation. Sure, it was a SadisticChoice and felt terrible about it, but her lack of hesitation when pulling the trigger made fans think she cried more out of self-pity then anything else.
*** Nikita may have crossed the line when she manipulated Roi into pulling a HeroicSacrifice and then called him a ‘weak link’ afterwards.
** GloZell claims to be protecting the group when she turns everyone against Justine, but her callous mocking of her after she dies and trying to shift the blame to Joey makes it clear that she only got rid of them because of {{Greed}} rather then being the WellIntentionedExtremist she claims herself to be.
** Matt didn’t cross it when he murdered Sierra, which was [[AccidentalMurder purely accidental]]. He did cross it when he used her death to mock Lele and Eva and later tries to cheat in a challenge against his OnlyFriend Timothy.
** DeStorm definitely crossed the line when he mocked Lauren’s death in front of Alex, just to KickTheDog. He continues to do this after seeing how much it affects Alex’ mental state, mostly for sadistic pleasure.
** Nikita crosses it when she shoots Manny out of self-preservation. Sure, it was a SadisticChoice and felt terrible about it, but her lack of hesitation when pulling the trigger made fans think she cried more out of self-pity then anything else.
*** Nikita may have crossed the line when she manipulated Roi into pulling a HeroicSacrifice and then called him a ‘weak link’ afterwards.
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** From LetsPlay/{{Sjin}}'s "Feed the World" series, eventual KnightOfCerebus Strawfingers is revealed to have crossed the line through CerebusRetcon, when it turns out he murdered [[spoiler:Abel's parents]].
** The ''Yoglabs'' series by and large revolves around a MadScientist group experimenting, but there are nevertheless some particularly horrendous moments that are taken deadly seriously.
** The ''Yoglabs'' series by and large revolves around a MadScientist group experimenting, but there are nevertheless some particularly horrendous moments that are taken deadly seriously.
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** From LetsPlay/{{Sjin}}'s "Feed the World" ''WebVideo/FeedTheWorld'' series, eventual KnightOfCerebus Strawfingers is revealed to have crossed the line through CerebusRetcon, when it turns out he murdered [[spoiler:Abel's parents]].
** The''Yoglabs'' ''WebVideo/YogLabs'' series by and large revolves around a MadScientist group experimenting, but there are nevertheless some particularly horrendous moments that are taken deadly seriously.
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** In Duncan and Kim's series "Flux Buddies 2.0" [[spoiler: [[EvilTwin Lalnable Hector]]]] crosses the line [[spoiler: by [[KickTheDog murdering all of Duncan and Kim's Chocobos bloodily for no reason.]]]]
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** In Duncan and Kim's series "Flux Buddies ''WebVideo/FluxBuddies 2.0" 0'' [[spoiler: [[EvilTwin Lalnable Hector]]]] crosses the line [[spoiler: by [[KickTheDog murdering all of Duncan and Kim's Chocobos bloodily for no reason.]]]]
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* ''Literature/JeffTheKiller'':
** Jeff crosses the point of no return by killing his entire family.
** The TerribleTrio responsible for his StartOfDarkness, Randy, Keith, and Troy, crosses it by attacking Jeff at a party and threatening to shoot the party goers if they try to stop them from killing Jeff.
** Jeff crosses the point of no return by killing his entire family.
** The TerribleTrio responsible for his StartOfDarkness, Randy, Keith, and Troy, crosses it by attacking Jeff at a party and threatening to shoot the party goers if they try to stop them from killing Jeff.
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** ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
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** ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': ''Literature/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
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* ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'': The leaders of the extinct alien species HIE-156-CZE (commonly called the Jesters), a species known for cruel jokes and {{deadly prank}}s, crossed it when they traveled to an alien planet in suspended animation, [[GodGuise disguised themselves as the local civilization's gods]], forced the aliens to perform painful and humiliating acts for their own amusement while sending footage back to their home planet to entertain their people, and then wiped out the entire civilization via ColonyDrop when they were done. Even in-universe, the few AIs they had created decided this was unforgivable, and [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters wiped out the entire Jester civilization]], viewing them as a threat to other intelligent species. However, because this incident was recorded by the Muuh, an alien species known for [[UnreliableNarrator blending fact and fiction in their historical records]], whether this incident actually happened as described is a RiddleForTheAges.
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* ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'': ''Website/OrionsArm'': The leaders of the extinct alien species HIE-156-CZE (commonly called the Jesters), a species known for cruel jokes and {{deadly prank}}s, crossed it when they traveled to an alien planet in suspended animation, [[GodGuise disguised themselves as the local civilization's gods]], forced the aliens to perform painful and humiliating acts for their own amusement while sending footage back to their home planet to entertain their people, and then wiped out the entire civilization via ColonyDrop when they were done. Even in-universe, the few AIs they had created decided this was unforgivable, and [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters wiped out the entire Jester civilization]], viewing them as a threat to other intelligent species. However, because this incident was recorded by the Muuh, an alien species known for [[UnreliableNarrator blending fact and fiction in their historical records]], whether this incident actually happened as described is a RiddleForTheAges.
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* ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'': The leaders of the extinct alien species HIE-156-CZE (commonly called the Jesters), a species known for cruel jokes and {{deadly prank}}s, crossed it when they traveled to an alien planet in suspended animation, [[GodGuise disguised themselves as the local civilization's gods]], forced the aliens to perform painful and humiliating acts for their own amusement while sending footage back to their home planet to entertain their people, and then wiped out the entire civilization via ColonyDrop when they were done. Even in-universe, the few AIs they had created decided this was unforgivable, and [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters wiped out the entire Jester civilization]], viewing them as a threat to other intelligent species. However, because this incident was recorded by the Muuh, an alien species known for [[UnreliableNarrator blending fact and fiction in their historical records]], whether this incident actually happened as described is a RiddleForTheAges.
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* ''Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses'':
** WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' crossed it when he killed an entire family during his review of 8 Crazy Nights just because their poor sense of humor and annoying laughter got on his nerves.
** ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'':
*** Parodied in-universe by Dark Nella Saga. The Chick only realizes Dark Nella is evil when she finds that Minnesota's big ball of twine has been destroyed. Oh no!
*** With the Todd storyline, Chick became a concretely psychotic stalker at one of three instances. Either forcing him regularly to be her CaptiveDate, being too happily willing to rape him, or preying on his money insecurities to make him do a review with her; take your pick.
** WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' crossed it when he killed an entire family during his review of 8 Crazy Nights just because their poor sense of humor and annoying laughter got on his nerves.
** ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'':
*** Parodied in-universe by Dark Nella Saga. The Chick only realizes Dark Nella is evil when she finds that Minnesota's big ball of twine has been destroyed. Oh no!
*** With the Todd storyline, Chick became a concretely psychotic stalker at one of three instances. Either forcing him regularly to be her CaptiveDate, being too happily willing to rape him, or preying on his money insecurities to make him do a review with her; take your pick.
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* ''Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses'':
** WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' crossed it when he killed an entire family during his review of 8 Crazy Nights just because their poor sense of humor and annoying laughter got on his nerves.
** ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'':
***''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'': Parodied in-universe by Dark Nella Saga. The Chick only realizes Dark Nella is evil when she finds that Minnesota's big ball of twine has been destroyed. Oh no!
*** With the Todd storyline, Chick became a concretely psychotic stalker at one of three instances. Either forcing him regularly to be her CaptiveDate, being too happily willing to rape him, or preying on his money insecurities to make him do a review with her; take your pick.no!
** WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic'' crossed it when he killed an entire family during his review of 8 Crazy Nights just because their poor sense of humor and annoying laughter got on his nerves.
** ''WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick'':
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*** With the Todd storyline, Chick became a concretely psychotic stalker at one of three instances. Either forcing him regularly to be her CaptiveDate, being too happily willing to rape him, or preying on his money insecurities to make him do a review with her; take your pick.
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* Due to the GreyAndGrayMorality on the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP'', it is ''very'' difficult to reach a consensus on who and when a character has crossed the Line, but there ''are'' a couple of characters who are typically considered to have crossed the MEH and become irredeemable canon-wise.
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* Due to the GreyAndGrayMorality on the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP'', ''WebVideo/DreamSMP'', it is ''very'' difficult to reach a consensus on who and when a character has crossed the Line, but there ''are'' a couple of characters who are typically considered to have crossed the MEH and become irredeemable canon-wise.
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About permeant shifts in portrayal to outright villainy. The Foundation and Bright are still as a whole treated as Anti-Heroes. And Chained Sinkhole.
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* The [[NoNameGiven mysterious]] [[EvilSorcerer mage]] of ''Literature/TheQuestportChronicles'' jumps straight across when he [[spoiler:destroys Questport]]. To make matters worse, the heroes still aren't sure ''why'' he did it.
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* The [[NoNameGiven mysterious]] [[EvilSorcerer mysterious mage]] of ''Literature/TheQuestportChronicles'' jumps straight across when he [[spoiler:destroys Questport]]. To make matters worse, the heroes still aren't sure ''why'' he did it.
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** "[[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-590 SCP-590]] is not to be named as anything other then Five Ninety. He is a tool to be used, not someone's friend, sibling, or child. Anyone found forming attachments to an SCP will be removed to a less people-intensive duty." A teenage boy who has the power to heal any human ailment by touching someone and taking the ailment to himself. The way the Foundation took advantage of this is infecting him with mental retardation to keep him pliable. Where they ''really'' cross the MoralEventHorizon is that [[spoiler:the person who suggested it, Dr. Bright, is ''his older brother.'']]
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** "[[http://scp-wiki.Invoked with [[https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-590 SCP-590]] com/scp-1459 1459]], a machine whose sole purpose is not for its user to be named as anything other then Five Ninety. He is a tool come up with cruel and twisted ways to be used, not someone's friend, sibling, or child. Anyone found forming attachments to an SCP will be removed to [[KickTheDog kill a less people-intensive duty." A teenage boy who has puppy]], with the power to heal any human ailment by touching someone and taking only reward being [[DudeWheresMyReward a cookie]] of a variety the ailment to himself. user [[UndesirablePrize usually hates]]. The way machine even lampshades this at the Foundation took advantage end of each "game":
--->"[[ImGoingToHellForThis Yeah, you're totally going to hell for this]]. Play again?"
** [[EmoTeen SCP-531-D]] crossed this by using his RealityWarper powers to [[RapeAsDrama rape]] several of the female staff. He rationalizes that [[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization it wasn't rape because they all said yes]], but Clef reminds him that [[QuestionableConsent his powers made it so they had no choice but to say yes]]. Needless to say, this isinfecting ultimately what led to him getting [[KilledOffForReal terminated]].
** The unnamed {{Jerkass}} who ruined poor [[BenevolentGenie SCP-1481]] crossed it by wishing him into becoming an "alcoholic j-j-j-junkie tweaker crackhead" ForTheEvulz and making sure that the wish could ''never'' be reversed.
** Dr. Paris Kiran, a researcher involved withmental retardation [[https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3017 SCP-3017]], crosses it when she [[spoiler:burns down a house full of innocent people simply because she wanted to keep him pliable. Where they ''really'' cross the MoralEventHorizon is "punish" 3017 after she was affected by 3017's infohazard]].
** The Scarlet King crosses it by raping a goddess named Sanna to death, which would end up creating SCP-231. If that[[spoiler:the person who suggested didn’t do it, devouring his own siblings certainly would have.
** SCP-953 crosses it by convincing a mother to cook and eat her own child.
%%** Dr.Bright, is ''his older brother.'']]Elliot Emerson crossed it by terminating an entire wing of anomalies, which included a child as well.
--->"[[ImGoingToHellForThis Yeah, you're totally going to hell for this]]. Play again?"
** [[EmoTeen SCP-531-D]] crossed this by using his RealityWarper powers to [[RapeAsDrama rape]] several of the female staff. He rationalizes that [[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization it wasn't rape because they all said yes]], but Clef reminds him that [[QuestionableConsent his powers made it so they had no choice but to say yes]]. Needless to say, this is
** The unnamed {{Jerkass}} who ruined poor [[BenevolentGenie SCP-1481]] crossed it by wishing him into becoming an "alcoholic j-j-j-junkie tweaker crackhead" ForTheEvulz and making sure that the wish could ''never'' be reversed.
** Dr. Paris Kiran, a researcher involved with
** The Scarlet King crosses it by raping a goddess named Sanna to death, which would end up creating SCP-231. If that
** SCP-953 crosses it by convincing a mother to cook and eat her own child.
%%** Dr.
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Not an MEH if it is portrayed as morally necessary to prevent a worse evil. And we don't know enough about 2165 to say if it counts (if it had agency or it's an unfair overration by the Foundation), and MEH is about shifts in the characters portrayal so having nothing known about it means nothing is being changed,
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** There's also SCP-231-7 and the containment process for her, 110-Montauk, which is [REDACTED]. It's so horrible that anyone who performs it gets mind-wiped (if they don't commit suicide first)... [[AndIMustScream and then they do it again]]...
** Even worse, this is a NecessaryEvil ([[EvenEvilHasStandards They don't want to preform the procedure on SCP-231-7]], but she will give birth to a [[EldritchAbomination monster that is said to bring forth the end of time]] if they don't). The Foundation doesn't really believe in a MoralEventHorizon. (It can be argued that they ''can't afford'' to believe in a Moral Event Horizon.)
** [[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2165 SCP-2165]]. Whatever it did was so far beyond the pale that the entire universe, in consensus, erased it from the timeline, and made sure no creature, entity or even force would ever acknowledge anything about SCP-2165 ever again, effectively exiling whatever it was from existence as a whole.
** Even worse, this is a NecessaryEvil ([[EvenEvilHasStandards They don't want to preform the procedure on SCP-231-7]], but she will give birth to a [[EldritchAbomination monster that is said to bring forth the end of time]] if they don't). The Foundation doesn't really believe in a MoralEventHorizon. (It can be argued that they ''can't afford'' to believe in a Moral Event Horizon.)
** [[http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2165 SCP-2165]]. Whatever it did was so far beyond the pale that the entire universe, in consensus, erased it from the timeline, and made sure no creature, entity or even force would ever acknowledge anything about SCP-2165 ever again, effectively exiling whatever it was from existence as a whole.
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*** General Joe Huffington (formerly head of the Indiana [[TheKlan KKK) crosses this when he responds to the assassination of General Carleton (his superior) by a black woman with an order to treat all African-Americans as enemy combatants, in effect ordering the Army of the Ohio to carry out genocide. The resultant massacres prompt the Red Army to go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, complete with using [[DeadlyGas chemical weapons]], wiping out the Army of the Ohio (and liberating western Kentucky and Tennessee) within weeks.
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*** General Joe Huffington (formerly head of the Indiana [[TheKlan KKK) KKK]]) crosses this when he responds to the assassination of General Carleton (his superior) by a black woman with an order to treat all African-Americans as enemy combatants, in effect ordering the Army of the Ohio to carry out genocide. The resultant massacres prompt the Red Army to go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, complete with using [[DeadlyGas chemical weapons]], wiping out the Army of the Ohio (and liberating western Kentucky and Tennessee) within weeks.
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** ''Literature/TheFireNeverDies'':
*** General Joe Huffington (formerly head of the Indiana [[TheKlan KKK) crosses this when he responds to the assassination of General Carleton (his superior) by a black woman with an order to treat all African-Americans as enemy combatants, in effect ordering the Army of the Ohio to carry out genocide. The resultant massacres prompt the Red Army to go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, complete with using [[DeadlyGas chemical weapons]], wiping out the Army of the Ohio (and liberating western Kentucky and Tennessee) within weeks.
*** William Joseph Simmons, founder and head of the Klan, crosses this when he [[spoiler:launches a [[TheCoup military coup]] against Vice-President Marshall after Marshall takes advantage of President Wilson's stroke to begin surrender talks. He even murders General Pershing to ensure that no one is in a position to stop him. In so doing, Simmons only prolongs the Whites' inevitable defeat and brings about the destruction of Washington itself.]]
*** General Joe Huffington (formerly head of the Indiana [[TheKlan KKK) crosses this when he responds to the assassination of General Carleton (his superior) by a black woman with an order to treat all African-Americans as enemy combatants, in effect ordering the Army of the Ohio to carry out genocide. The resultant massacres prompt the Red Army to go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, complete with using [[DeadlyGas chemical weapons]], wiping out the Army of the Ohio (and liberating western Kentucky and Tennessee) within weeks.
*** William Joseph Simmons, founder and head of the Klan, crosses this when he [[spoiler:launches a [[TheCoup military coup]] against Vice-President Marshall after Marshall takes advantage of President Wilson's stroke to begin surrender talks. He even murders General Pershing to ensure that no one is in a position to stop him. In so doing, Simmons only prolongs the Whites' inevitable defeat and brings about the destruction of Washington itself.]]
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** Mechakara firmly crossed it when he [[spoiler: tried to [[DrivenToSuicide drive Linkara to suicide]] (and it was ''not'' PlayedForLaughs), by making him think he was [[AbusiveParents the father]] of the girl who was turned into his magic gun.]]
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** Mechakara firmly crossed it when he [[spoiler: tried to [[DrivenToSuicide drive Linkara to suicide]] (and it was ''not'' PlayedForLaughs), by making him think he was [[AbusiveParents the father]] of the girl child who was turned into his magic gun.]]
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* In the LetsPlay/{{Yogscast}} [[Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries playthrough of]] ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', this has come up a number of times despite the BlackComedy.
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* In the LetsPlay/{{Yogscast}} [[Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries [[WebVideo/YogscastMinecraftSeries playthrough of]] ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', this has come up a number of times despite the BlackComedy.
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** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
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** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', ''Literature/RedsARevolutionaryTimeline'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
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** The gang [[DiscussedTrope discuss]] this trope in their riff of ''Jeff the Killer Vs. Michael Myers'', when [[FatalAttraction Jeff the Killer and Jane the Killer start making out,]] ''[[CanonDefilement despite being mortal enemies.]]'' Jacob points out that it seems very unlikely that Jane would have been able to even ''forgive'' Jeff for [[YouKilledMyFather killing her friends and family]] and [[KillItWithFire lighting her on fire]] back in ''Jane The Killer: The Real Story'', let alone make out with him. [[ShoutOut They even reference the term "Moral Event Horizion"!]] [[note]](Then again, due to the lack of a firm Jeff The Killer canon, it's possible the author of ''Jeff the Killer Vs. Michael Myers'' never read ''Jane The Killer: The Real Story'', but still...)[[/note]]
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** The gang [[DiscussedTrope discuss]] this trope in their riff of ''Jeff the Killer Vs. Michael Myers'', when [[FatalAttraction [[CriminallyAttractive Jeff the Killer and Jane the Killer start making out,]] ''[[CanonDefilement despite being mortal enemies.]]'' Jacob points out that it seems very unlikely that Jane would have been able to even ''forgive'' Jeff for [[YouKilledMyFather killing her friends and family]] and [[KillItWithFire lighting her on fire]] back in ''Jane The Killer: The Real Story'', let alone make out with him. [[ShoutOut They even reference the term "Moral Event Horizion"!]] [[note]](Then again, due to the lack of a firm Jeff The Killer canon, it's possible the author of ''Jeff the Killer Vs. Michael Myers'' never read ''Jane The Killer: The Real Story'', but still...)[[/note]]
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* In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain''.]] [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
* ''[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/how-silent-fall-the-cherry-blossoms.280585/ How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms]]'': The titular Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night serves as Imperial Japan's MEH. Through [[TheMengele horrific experiments performed on humans]], they develop a strain of Bubonic Plague which is then dropped on the United States by the air force. Hundreds are killed by the operation, which triggers destructive rioting all over America.
* ''Literature/IcarusFalls'':
** Exactly when Leonid Brezhnev crosses it is unclear: if not when he [[DisproportionateRetribution assassinates Mao and nukes China over a border dispute]], then during the Soviet Civil War when he [[spoiler:gives the order to launch Russia's nuclear arsenal at all rebel-held cities, shooting all who object]].
** Lin Biao crosses it with his order to use every WeaponOfMassDestruction at his disposal against the Nationalist rebels, including [[DeadlyGas poison gas]] and anthrax, and sending waves of ChildSoldiers armed with knives to the front lines to remedy his manpower shortage.
** [[WesternTerrorists The Paladin group]] [[spoiler:unleash a bio-weapon against the Soviet Union's crops, plunging Russia into famine, and nuke Mecca, killing thousands]].
** Sanjay Gandhi [[spoiler:orchestrates an attack on the Indian Parliament by Hindu nationalists in which moderate politicians are massacred by the dozen, giving him an excuse to crack down on India's Sikhs]].
* In ''Literature/NewDealCoalitionRetained'', the Warsaw Pact finally cross it [[spoiler:during World War 3 with their flagrant use of chemical weapons throughout the war]]. InUniverse, those in the Middle East view them as having crossed it with [[spoiler:the Darbandikhan chemical massacre, when Iranian forces bombard Darbandikhan with chemical shells and kill thousands of Kurds, having already begun sending them to concentration camps]]. Meanwhile, the Western Allies believe they crossed it with [[spoiler:the Great Raid on Athens, the worst war crime since World War 2. Three Soviet air squadrons drop sarin bombs on Athens, Piraeus, Sparta, Corinth and Kalamatra rather than wait for them to surrender, leading to around 14, 0000 deaths and crushing Greece's resistance]].
* In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
* In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
* ''Literature/WebersGermanyTheVeterinarianTotalitarian'': Weber, Heydrich and the rest of the Third Reich cross it with the TTL version of the FinalSolution. Rather than sending undesirables to camps as in OTL, they deport them to African colonies to be enslaved and gradually worked to death. As if that weren't enough, they also begin a gradual sterilisation program to ensure that the targeted groups end with this generation. Heydrich in particular sends slaves to work near a volcanic lake, where the fumes asphyxiate them.
* ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
* ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
* ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
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* In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain''.]] [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
* ''[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/how-silent-fall-the-cherry-blossoms.280585/ How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms]]'': The titular Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night serves as Imperial Japan's MEH. Through [[TheMengele horrific experiments performed on humans]], they develop a strain of Bubonic Plague which is then dropped on the United States by the air force. Hundreds are killed by the operation, which triggers destructive rioting all over America.
* ''Literature/IcarusFalls'':
** Exactly when Leonid Brezhnev crosses it is unclear: if not when he [[DisproportionateRetribution assassinates Mao and nukes China over a border dispute]], then during the Soviet Civil War when he [[spoiler:gives the order to launch Russia's nuclear arsenal at all rebel-held cities, shooting all who object]].
** Lin Biao crosses it with his order to use every WeaponOfMassDestruction at his disposal against the Nationalist rebels, including [[DeadlyGas poison gas]] and anthrax, and sending waves of ChildSoldiers armed with knives to the front lines to remedy his manpower shortage.
** [[WesternTerrorists The Paladin group]] [[spoiler:unleash a bio-weapon against the Soviet Union's crops, plunging Russia into famine, and nuke Mecca, killing thousands]].
** Sanjay Gandhi [[spoiler:orchestrates an attack on the Indian Parliament by Hindu nationalists in which moderate politicians are massacred by the dozen, giving him an excuse to crack down on India's Sikhs]].
* In ''Literature/NewDealCoalitionRetained'', the Warsaw Pact finally cross it [[spoiler:during World War 3 with their flagrant use of chemical weapons throughout the war]]. InUniverse, those in the Middle East view them as having crossed it with [[spoiler:the Darbandikhan chemical massacre, when Iranian forces bombard Darbandikhan with chemical shells and kill thousands of Kurds, having already begun sending them to concentration camps]]. Meanwhile, the Western Allies believe they crossed it with [[spoiler:the Great Raid on Athens, the worst war crime since World War 2. Three Soviet air squadrons drop sarin bombs on Athens, Piraeus, Sparta, Corinth and Kalamatra rather than wait for them to surrender, leading to around 14, 0000 deaths and crushing Greece's resistance]].
* In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
* In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
* ''Literature/WebersGermanyTheVeterinarianTotalitarian'': Weber, Heydrich and the rest of the Third Reich cross it with the TTL version of the FinalSolution. Rather than sending undesirables to camps as in OTL, they deport them to African colonies to be enslaved and gradually worked to death. As if that weren't enough, they also begin a gradual sterilisation program to ensure that the targeted groups end with this generation. Heydrich in particular sends slaves to work near a volcanic lake, where the fumes asphyxiate them.
* ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
* ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
* ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
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** In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain''.]] [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
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* ''Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom'' has several examples:
** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
** In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain''.]] [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
** In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
** ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
** ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
** ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
** In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain''.]] [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
** In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
** ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
** ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
** ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
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*''Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom'' has several examples:
** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
**In ''Literature/TheAngloAmericanNaziWar'', [[spoiler:Acting Fuhrer Himmler]] crosses this when he issues Order 571, which has German forces destroy several culturally-significant cities, thousands of years of irreplaceable history, [[IfICantHaveYou in preference to allowing the Allies to have them]]. [[spoiler:This includes a thorough destruction of Paris, ''which is televised to Britain''.]] [[EvilIsPetty Modern historians in this universe compare the Nazis' actions to a jealous, bitter ex-spouse squirreling away some assets and then ruining everything they can get their fingers on]].
* ''[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/how-silent-fall-the-cherry-blossoms.280585/ How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms]]'': The titular Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night serves as Imperial Japan's MEH. Through [[TheMengele horrific experiments performed on humans]], they develop a strain of Bubonic Plague which is then dropped on the United States by the air force. Hundreds are killed by the operation, which triggers destructive rioting all over America.
* ''Literature/IcarusFalls'':
** Exactly when Leonid Brezhnev crosses it is unclear: if not when he [[DisproportionateRetribution assassinates Mao and nukes China over a border dispute]], then during the Soviet Civil War when he [[spoiler:gives the order to launch Russia's nuclear arsenal at all rebel-held cities, shooting all who object]].
** Lin Biao crosses it with his order to use every WeaponOfMassDestruction at his disposal against the Nationalist rebels, including [[DeadlyGas poison gas]] and anthrax, and sending waves of ChildSoldiers armed with knives to the front lines to remedy his manpower shortage.
** [[WesternTerrorists The Paladin group]] [[spoiler:unleash a bio-weapon against the Soviet Union's crops, plunging Russia into famine, and nuke Mecca, killing thousands]].
** Sanjay Gandhi [[spoiler:orchestrates an attack on the Indian Parliament by Hindu nationalists in which moderate politicians are massacred by the dozen, giving him an excuse to crack down on India's Sikhs]].
* In ''Literature/NewDealCoalitionRetained'', the Warsaw Pact finally cross it [[spoiler:during World War 3 with their flagrant use of chemical weapons throughout the war]]. InUniverse, those in the Middle East view them as having crossed it with [[spoiler:the Darbandikhan chemical massacre, when Iranian forces bombard Darbandikhan with chemical shells and kill thousands of Kurds, having already begun sending them to concentration camps]]. Meanwhile, the Western Allies believe they crossed it with [[spoiler:the Great Raid on Athens, the worst war crime since World War 2. Three Soviet air squadrons drop sarin bombs on Athens, Piraeus, Sparta, Corinth and Kalamatra rather than wait for them to surrender, leading to around 14, 0000 deaths and crushing Greece's resistance]].
* In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
* In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
** * ''Literature/WebersGermanyTheVeterinarianTotalitarian'': Weber, Heydrich and the rest of the Third Reich cross it with the TTL version of the FinalSolution. Rather than sending undesirables to camps as in OTL, they deport them to African colonies to be enslaved and gradually worked to death. As if that weren't enough, they also begin a gradual sterilisation program to ensure that the targeted groups end with this generation. Heydrich in particular sends slaves to work near a volcanic lake, where the fumes asphyxiate them.
* ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
** * ''Literature/TwilightOfTheRedTsar'': Joseph Stalin was already over the line, OTL. But he goes even further than OTL when he begins his own Holocaust of the Soviet Jews, which later expands into a Baltic Holocaust. [[spoiler: And then he completely obliterates the People's Republic of China in war, unleashing biological weapons and nuclear bombs]].
** * ''WebOriginal/ZhirinovskysRussianEmpire'': Vladimir Zhirinosvky and the UIS jump around horizon several times, with genocide, political repression, and international thuggery. But [[InUniverse the specific moment]] when the world community realized how insane Mad Vlad was when he sent a letter to Helmut Kohl, proposing a ''joint Nazi-style invasion of Poland'', followed by locking Poles in concentration camps, and later organizing attacks on the German, Israeli and Polish embassies.
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** In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
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* ''[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/how-silent-fall-the-cherry-blossoms.280585/ How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms]]'': The titular Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night serves as Imperial Japan's MEH. Through [[TheMengele horrific experiments performed on humans]], they develop a strain of Bubonic Plague which is then dropped on the United States by the air force. Hundreds are killed by the operation, which triggers destructive rioting all over America.
* ''Literature/IcarusFalls'':
** Exactly when Leonid Brezhnev crosses it is unclear: if not when he [[DisproportionateRetribution assassinates Mao and nukes China over a border dispute]], then during the Soviet Civil War when he [[spoiler:gives the order to launch Russia's nuclear arsenal at all rebel-held cities, shooting all who object]].
** Lin Biao crosses it with his order to use every WeaponOfMassDestruction at his disposal against the Nationalist rebels, including [[DeadlyGas poison gas]] and anthrax, and sending waves of ChildSoldiers armed with knives to the front lines to remedy his manpower shortage.
** [[WesternTerrorists The Paladin group]] [[spoiler:unleash a bio-weapon against the Soviet Union's crops, plunging Russia into famine, and nuke Mecca, killing thousands]].
** Sanjay Gandhi [[spoiler:orchestrates an attack on the Indian Parliament by Hindu nationalists in which moderate politicians are massacred by the dozen, giving him an excuse to crack down on India's Sikhs]].
* In ''Literature/NewDealCoalitionRetained'', the Warsaw Pact finally cross it [[spoiler:during World War 3 with their flagrant use of chemical weapons throughout the war]]. InUniverse, those in the Middle East view them as having crossed it with [[spoiler:the Darbandikhan chemical massacre, when Iranian forces bombard Darbandikhan with chemical shells and kill thousands of Kurds, having already begun sending them to concentration camps]]. Meanwhile, the Western Allies believe they crossed it with [[spoiler:the Great Raid on Athens, the worst war crime since World War 2. Three Soviet air squadrons drop sarin bombs on Athens, Piraeus, Sparta, Corinth and Kalamatra rather than wait for them to surrender, leading to around 14, 0000 deaths and crushing Greece's resistance]].
* In ''Literature/{{Reds}}'', [=MacArthur=]'s [[DayOfTheJackboot counterrevolution]], which included letting Klansmen run wild across the South, and assassinating Huey Long, and the Louisiana State Legislature, all because the Communists won a fair election. In-universe, this is what triggers the Second American Revolution.
* In ''[[spoiler: Rumsfeldia]]:Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears'', the sequel to ''Literature/FearLoathingAndGumboOnTheCampaignTrailSeventyTwo'', it is hard to know when [[spoiler: [[PresidentEvil Donald Rumsfeld]]]] sails over the line, but there are some things: killing[=/=]disappearing political opponents, [[spoiler: using voting fraud to win the 1984 election]], ripping all forms of worker's rights and environmental regulation, giving military aid to [[AmoralAfrikaner Magnus Malan]]. [[spoiler: But the worst moment is when Liberty Legions are ordered to kill wounded soldiers so as to not pay for their welfare]].
* ''Literature/AWorldOfLaughterAWorldOfTears'': [[InUniverse In the eyes of the African American community]] is when [[spoiler: white racists brutally murder Ernest Green of the Little Rock Nine]]. After that, the nonviolent Civil Rights Movement collapses, and black Americans start engaging in terrorism. [[spoiler: Another line is when the Florida police commit a massacre against the black community in Tampa. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Soviet Union thought the Florida State Government should be prosecuted for war crimes]]]].
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** In ''Literature/AsOneStarSetsAnotherRises'', there are potential candidates for when the Third Reich first crossed it. They massacred Jewish civilians in Poznan and Berlin, but if not then, they all but crossed it when they [[spoiler: bombed a German town with a ''radium-laced bomb'', just because the French occupied it, killing and poisoning tens of thousands]].
*** [[MoralGuardians Movement for Traditional America]], despite having knowledge about the Holocaust, continued to lobby Congress to stay out of the Holocaust. If that wasn't bad enough, [[spoiler: several members of the MfTA try to start a race riot in Futureville during a bigoted protest, even killing a police officer]].
*** [[MoralGuardians Movement for Traditional America]], despite having knowledge about the Holocaust, continued to lobby Congress to stay out of the Holocaust. If that wasn't bad enough, [[spoiler: several members of the MfTA try to start a race riot in Futureville during a bigoted protest, even killing a police officer]].
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* Due to the GreyAndGrayMorality on the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP'', it is ''very'' difficult to reach a consensus on who and when a character has crossed the Line, but there ''are'' a couple of characters who are typically considered to have crossed the MEH and become irredeemable canon-wise.
** [[PresidentEvil Jschlatt]] crossed it when he [[spoiler:ordered Tubbo's PublicExecution (who was [[WouldHurtAChild around 16 at the time]]) for being TheMole for [[LaResistance Pogtopia]]]] during the [[WhamEpisode Manburg Festival]], despite everyone else in attendance, including his own cabinet [[spoiler:and (however briefly) ''the executioner himself'']], [[EveryoneHasStandards objecting]] and voicing alternatives such as [[spoiler:imprisoning him]]. And for bonus points, Schlatt made Tubbo organize the Manburg Festival, i.e. unknowingly ''plan [[spoiler:his own execution]]'', which is something that [[AscendedFridgeHorror Tubbo himself acknowledges later on]].
** Although Dream is the BigBad of the roleplay overall, his intentions can still be argued to be at least somewhat [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] and understandable throughout the first season. But then, in Season 2, he [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild abused, psychologically tortured]] and gaslighted Tommy during his Exile from L'Manburg (which he [[TheChessmaster manipulated into occurring]])]], which alone pushes him close to the edge... and then [[spoiler:when he found Tommy's secret stash of items in a hidden chest, he [[KickTheDog blows it up]] and drives Tommy to the brink of ''[[DrivenToSuicide suicide]]'']], easily [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope skydiving off the slippery slope]] and cementing his crossing of the MEH on his way down.
** [[PresidentEvil Jschlatt]] crossed it when he [[spoiler:ordered Tubbo's PublicExecution (who was [[WouldHurtAChild around 16 at the time]]) for being TheMole for [[LaResistance Pogtopia]]]] during the [[WhamEpisode Manburg Festival]], despite everyone else in attendance, including his own cabinet [[spoiler:and (however briefly) ''the executioner himself'']], [[EveryoneHasStandards objecting]] and voicing alternatives such as [[spoiler:imprisoning him]]. And for bonus points, Schlatt made Tubbo organize the Manburg Festival, i.e. unknowingly ''plan [[spoiler:his own execution]]'', which is something that [[AscendedFridgeHorror Tubbo himself acknowledges later on]].
** Although Dream is the BigBad of the roleplay overall, his intentions can still be argued to be at least somewhat [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] and understandable throughout the first season. But then, in Season 2, he [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild abused, psychologically tortured]] and gaslighted Tommy during his Exile from L'Manburg (which he [[TheChessmaster manipulated into occurring]])]], which alone pushes him close to the edge... and then [[spoiler:when he found Tommy's secret stash of items in a hidden chest, he [[KickTheDog blows it up]] and drives Tommy to the brink of ''[[DrivenToSuicide suicide]]'']], easily [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope skydiving off the slippery slope]] and cementing his crossing of the MEH on his way down.
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* ''WebVideo/TheIrateGamer'':
** The Gamer [[DesignatedHero himself]] murdering Kool-Aid Man for doing what he does on Christmas.
** In the ''Franchise/StarTrek: 25th Anniversary'' review, he kills [[RedShirt Lieutenant Drunkard]] by beaming him down onto Apandana, a planet with gaseous atmosphere. [[DisproportionateRetribution All because he was insulted.]]
--->'''[[http://irategamersucks.blogspot.com/2013/05/my-sensors-indicate-massive-amounts-of.html BatDanNight]]:''' Holy shit! That was needlessly cruel! I know the character was annoying and I even predicted he would die (red shirt) but I didn't expect it to be that awful! I thought it would be a Gorn or a Klingon or something. [[WhatTheHellHero You're the hero! You’re not supposed to do this!]]
** The Gamer [[DesignatedHero himself]] murdering Kool-Aid Man for doing what he does on Christmas.
** In the ''Franchise/StarTrek: 25th Anniversary'' review, he kills [[RedShirt Lieutenant Drunkard]] by beaming him down onto Apandana, a planet with gaseous atmosphere. [[DisproportionateRetribution All because he was insulted.]]
--->'''[[http://irategamersucks.blogspot.com/2013/05/my-sensors-indicate-massive-amounts-of.html BatDanNight]]:''' Holy shit! That was needlessly cruel! I know the character was annoying and I even predicted he would die (red shirt) but I didn't expect it to be that awful! I thought it would be a Gorn or a Klingon or something. [[WhatTheHellHero You're the hero! You’re not supposed to do this!]]
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The entry refers to a real person and writing terrible, disturbing shit for shock value does not constitute being irredeemably evil.
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** Interestingly, Jacob considers the ''author'' of ''Dating Game'' to have crossed the line when he [[spoiler:had the SerialKiller wife [[WouldHurtAChild kill off her two sons]] (one of whom was an '''infant''') in horribly gruesome ways [[StuffedInTheFridge just for shock value]]]]. After reading about this, he angrily refuses to read any more of the story (leaving his cohorts Matt and Toby to finish it), and [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech gives the author one of the show's most brutal verbal beatdowns at the end of the episode]], in a tone dripping with nothing but pure, [[TranquilFury calm]] '''''hatred''''' (in stark contrast to the comparatively gentle ribbing of the story from the beginning of the episode).
