History MoralEventHorizon / FireEmblem

** Like Arvis, [[DragonRider King Travant]] is a WellIntentionedExtremist who just wants what's best for his country, but it's hard to like him after he [[spoiler:tracks down and kills Quan, Ethlyn, and half the Leonster knights, then kidnaps baby Altena so he can have the Gáe Bolg]].

** [[spoiler:Validar]] crosses it by [[spoiler:murdering Aversa's whole family and brainwashing her into being his servant ''when she was younger], as revealed in [=SpotPass=] content.

** [[spoiler:Validar]] has many MEH crossings under his belt. Having his [[spoiler:own blood son/daughter, [[PlayerCharacter Robin]], '''[[SuperBreedingProgram bred and raised]] as the prospect vessel of [[GodOfEvil Grima]]''']] is pretty despicable, but might be EvilCannotComprehendGood as he himself was also raised this way. Thus, the worst one is [[spoiler:murdering Aversa's whole family and brainwashing her into being his servant ''when she was a little girl'']], as revealed in [=SpotPass=] content.

** Zephia [[spoiler:fitting Veyle with a helmet that will permanently suppress her good personality in favor of her evil personality, effectively killing the real Veyle]]. This, combined with [[spoiler:killing her fellow Hound Marni for trying to break the helmet]] causes [[TokenGoodTeammate Mauvier]] to decide she's gone too far and [[spoiler:[[HeelFaceTurn join the Divine Dragon]]'s forces]]. It also results in some players considering [[spoiler:her AlasPoorVillain sendoff [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to be unearned]]]].

** [[spoiler:Veyle's evil personality]] crosses it by leading an army to burn the Firenese port of Florra to the ground.

** Rhea crosses it at the end of the Crimson Flower route when she [[spoiler: orders Fhirdiad to be burned to the ground to kill the Black Eagle Strike Force, fully unwilling to let the innocent civilians evacuate and uncaring that they will be caught in the crossfire]]. And this is ''[[UngratefulBastard after]]'' [[spoiler: Fhirdiad ''gave her shelter'' and their king just died to protect her]].

** [[spoiler:Veyle's evil personality]] crosses it by leading an army to burn the Firenese port of Florra to the

** Lang is revealed as early as the first chapter to commit a wide variety of atrocities, including robbing from civillians, taking away young girls ([[SexSlave undoubtedly for a gruesome fate]]), planning to slaughter the families of those who rebelled against him, and trying to kill the young heirs of Grust (who are just [[WouldHurtAChild young teens]]).

** Mad King Ashnard, BigBad of the first game, pumped Rajaion, prince of the dragon [[OurWerebeastsAreDifferent laguz]], full of a PsychoSerum that both drove him insane and [[ShapeshifterModeLock mode-locked]] him into his dragon form, then used him as a mount -- all after using his sister's child, which Ashnard fathered, as bait to lure him in (he then abandoned their son).

** With the release of Wave 4 DLC, some players lost all respect for [[spoiler:the Church of Seiros and, by extension, Rhea herself]] due to information found in the Abyss Library, [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse regardless of]] [[ParanoiaFuel her reasons.]] [[spoiler:If what one of the books says is true, Rhea is responsible for banning certain inventions, specifically oil, the telescope and the printing press (as opposed to the woodblock printing that is accepted), as well as rendering autopsies taboo, in effect hindering Fodlan's ability to learn, or improve medical science. While there were some debates about whether the books in the library were real or not, WordOfGod has confirmed that they are in a [[https://serenesforest.net/2020/03/24/three-houses-nintendo-dream-interview-reveals-first-route-claudes-real-name/ Nintendo Dream Interview]], though said interview also notes that Seiros/Rhea did not intend to keep such progress from happening at all but rather tried to slow it down, raising the question again as to how "current" the info in the Abyss books is (the anatomy model Manuela has in particular making it seem like autopsies are allowed now)]].

** Garon has ''many'' moments, but the worst include: [[spoiler:giving orders to break through Xander and Robin's intentions to spare many Hoshidan prisoners of war after Sakura and Yukimura's defeats]] ''and'' [[spoiler:trying to force Corrin into murdering Ryoma after he's defeated (which Ryoma can only counter ''via a HeroicSuicide'')]] (''Conquest'') and [[spoiler:intending to fully destroy ''both'' Hoshido and Nohr]] (Chapter 17 ''Revelation''). It's then revealed [[spoiler:that the Garon we know is nothing but a corpse that is kept alive and brainwashed by the next guy on this list, so Garon himself subverts the trope]].

** Despite being a WellIntentionedExtremist, Arvis crosses this in Chapter 5 where he throws a party for Sigurd, who has all but cleared his name. That's not the MEH; what happens ''at'' the party is. [[spoiler:He basically brings out his new wife, Deirdre, ''who was Sigurd's wife before she was brainwashed'', to mock Sigurd, laughs at him for his naivety, and then has a group of mages drop [[DeathFromAbove meteors]] on ''the entire party'' -- which, by the way, includes his younger brother.]] [[MemeticMutation "Arvis, you dastard!"]] [[NastyParty sums it up pretty well]].

** [[spoiler:Validar]] has many MEH crossings under his belt. Having his [[spoiler:own blood son/daughter, [[PlayerCharacterRobin]], '''[[SuperBreedingProgram bred and raised]] as the prospect vessel of [[GodOfEvil Grima]]''']] is pretty despicable, but might be EvilCannotComprehendGood as he himself was also raised this way. Thus, the worst one is [[spoiler:murdering Aversa's whole family and brainwashing her into being his servant ''when she was a little girl'']], as revealed in [=SpotPass=] content.

** [[spoiler:Validar]] has many MEH crossings under his belt. Having his [[spoiler:own blood son/daughter, [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]], '''[[SuperBreedingProgram bred and raised]] as the prospect vessel of [[GodOfEvil Grima]]''']] is pretty despicable, but might be EvilCannotComprehendGood as he himself was also raised this way. Thus, the worst one is [[spoiler:murdering Aversa's whole family and brainwashing her into being his servant ''when she was a little girl'']], as revealed in [=SpotPass=] content.

** Hans and his troops [[spoiler:massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an [[CruelAndUnusualDeath especially brutal way]]) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians]] in ''Conquest'' Chapter 13.
** Garon has ''many'' moments, but the worst include: [[spoiler:giving orders to break through Xander and the Avatar's intentions to spare many Hoshidan prisoners of war after Sakura and Yukimura's defeats]] ''and'' [[spoiler:trying to force the Avatar into murdering Ryoma after he's defeated (which Ryoma can only counter ''via a HeroicSuicide'')]] (''Conquest'') and [[spoiler:intending to fully destroy ''both'' Hoshido and Nohr]] (Chapter 17 ''Revelation''). It's then revealed [[spoiler:that the Garon we know is nothing but a corpse that is kept alive and brainwashed by the next guy on this list, so Garon himself subverts the trope]].
** The GreaterScopeVillain [[spoiler:Anankos]] also has several moments qualifying as this, and the biggest ones are: [[spoiler:corrupting the aforementioned Garon from a troubled but still loving king to a bloodthirsty tyrant that caused at least two wars for him]] and [[spoiler:reviving the murdered Sumeragi and set him up to kill the Avatar (which resulted in Sumeragi killing ''his own widow'' Mikoto when she realised this and went TakingTheBullet for the Avatar)]] (all paths); [[spoiler:[[MoreThanMindControl corrupting the very troubled Takumi]] into becoming his thrall and the FinalBoss of the game]] (''Conquest''), [[spoiler:forcibly reviving the aforementioned Mikoto and her sister Arete as his BrainwashedAndCrazy slaves alongside Sumeragi]] (''Revelation''); [[spoiler:manipulating [[WellDoneSonGuy his daughter Lilith]] for years and siccing her on the heroes]] (''Hidden Truths'' DLC); and [[spoiler:destroying ''several'' worlds, then setting up the few survivors from the game's Second Generation into a sort of DeadlyGame]] (''Heirs of Fate'' DLC).

** Gharnef, who starts by [[spoiler:murdering Linde's dad, Miloah, due to jealousy for not inheriting [[LightTheWay Aura]]]], and later not only manipulating [[spoiler:Emperor Hardin and getting him BrainwashedAndCrazy]], but [[spoiler:kidnapping and brainwashing Elice, Nyna, Maria, and Lena so they'll be {{Human Sacrifice}}s for Medeus]]. And the newest games add another one: [[spoiler:brainwashing Eremiya [[DespairEventHorizon when she was right in the lowest point of her life]], then having her raise {{Tykebomb}}s for him... and once she loses the fight against Marth's group, he debrainwashes her ''only to mock her and have her die in despair''. Eremiya was a total bitch, but not even she deserved that! Especially since '''Gharnef made her that way!!!''']]

** Despite being a WellIntentionedExtremist, Arvis crosses this in Chapter 5, wherein he throws a party for Sigurd, who has all but cleared his name. That's not the MEH; what ''happens'' at the party is. [[spoiler:He basically brings out his new wife, Deirdre, ''who was Sigurd's wife before she was brainwashed'', to mock Sigurd, laughs at him for his naivety, and then has a group of mages drop [[DeathFromAbove meteors]] on ''the entire party'' -- which, by the way, includes his younger brother.]] [[MemeticMutation "Arvis, you dastard!"]] [[NastyParty sums it up pretty well]].

** Sonia [[spoiler:making the revelation that she killed Nino's real parents, that she never had any care or love whatsoever toward Nino, and then attempting to kill Nino herself. When the aforementioned "butcher" witnesses such stuff, this is the push he needs for his HeelFaceTurn]].
** It's followed by [[spoiler:Nergal giving a kidnapped Ninian a brutal HannibalLecture in which he browbeats and verbally abuses her into reverting to her Dragon form, setting her loose so she would be slain by Eliwood without him knowing it (and under the control of the Durandal sword, made for killing dragons), and then not only revealing it to Eliwood as Ninian dies in his arms (throwing Eliwood into a state of utter despair), but '''laughing about it'''. Did we mention that it's all but stated that ''Ninian is his long-lost daughter?'' Not even the fact that [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget he lost his memories]] is good enough to get him off the hook for that, considering his glee when he tells Eliwood that he's fatally injured the girl who loved him.]]

** Lekain, easily the most horrible person in both games. To say nothing of the fact that he hands out [[spoiler:Blood Pacts]] like candy, this lovely fellow [[spoiler:bumped off his country's beloved empress, framed a race of {{Actual Pacifist}}s for the crime, then whipped his countrymen into a genocidal frenzy, in the aftermath of which only four of said race were left]]. TheReveal that he was one who gave the order for the genocide immediately puts him in a separate class from the rest of the series' villains, and every named character clamours for his head on a pike.
** General Jarod, DiscOneFinalBoss of the first part of the second game, treats a conquered country like his personal playground, casually committing atrocities everywhere he goes for his own enjoyment. The [=MEH=] probably comes when he has his men shoot a preteen boy in the back. Micaiah heals him, but ''still''.

* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' is no slouch in regards to this...
** [[TheCaligula King Gangrel]] has his moment when he not only [[spoiler:captures Emmeryn]], but he forces her and [[spoiler:Chrom]] into a SadisticChoice that finishes [[spoiler:with Emmeryn's HeroicSuicide]]... and then ''laughs about it''. It's '''NO''' wonder that [[spoiler:Chrom]] is absolutely enraged afterwards [[spoiler:and that, after his BreakTheHaughty -> HeelFaceTurn, Gangrel is [[TheAtoner NOT pleased with himself]]]].

** [[spoiler:Validar]] has many MEH crossings under his belt. Having his [[spoiler:own blood son/daughter, [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]], '''[[SuperBreedingProgram bred and raised]] as the prospect vessel of [[EvilGod Grima]]''']] is pretty despicable, but might be EvilCannotComprehendGood as he himself was also raised this way. Thus, the worst one is [[spoiler:murdering Aversa's whole family and brainwashing her into being his servant ''when she was a little girl'']], as revealed in spotpass content.

** Hans and his troops [[spoiler:massacre not only the remaining Hoshidan and Cheve knight casualties (including killing Scarlet in an especially brutal way) that were left behind by the Avatar, but also Cheve civilians]] in ''Conquest'' Chapter 13.

** Solon crosses it when he [[spoiler:drives a bunch of innocent villagers murderously berserk using dark magic]], motivated purely ForScience. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the Flame Emperor is disturbed at that one]], and they're not exactly a saint themselves.

** With the release of Wave 4 DLC, some players lost all respect for [[spoiler:the Church of Seiros and, by extension, Rhea herself]] due to information found in the Abyss Library, [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse regardless of]] [[ParanoiaFuel her reasons.]] [[spoiler:If what the one of the books says is true, Rhea is responsible for banning certain inventions, specifically oil, the telescope and the printing press (as opposed to the woodblock printing that is accepted), as well as rendering autopsies taboo, in effect hindering Fodlan's ability to learn, or improve medical science. While there were some debates about whether the books in the library were real or not, WordOfGod has confirmed that they are in a [[https://serenesforest.net/2020/03/24/three-houses-nintendo-dream-interview-reveals-first-route-claudes-real-name/ Nintendo Dream Interview]], though said interview also notes that Seiros/Rhea did not intend to keep such progress from happening at all but rather tried to slow it down, raising the question again as to how "current" the info in the Abyss books is (the anatomy model Manuela has in particular making it seem like autopsies are allowed now)]].