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* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does the EnhancedInterrogationTechniques version with the nerd, who's being [[ItMakesSenseInContext questioned as to the location of]] [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Mordor]]. He finally asks what they want him to say.[[note]] "Pakistan."[[/note]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does the EnhancedInterrogationTechniques version with the nerd, who's being [[ItMakesSenseInContext questioned as to the location of]] [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Mordor]]. He finally asks tells them what they want him to say.[[note]] "Pakistan."[[/note]]






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* Lampshaded/spoofed in ''ComicBook/TheInvisibles'' when Sir Miles is using the drug ''Key 17'' to mess with King Mob's mind. He causes King Mob to see, among other things, five fingers where there are four. The illustration is subtly creepy.
** At the end, when King Mob escapes, he returns the favor: "How many fingers am I holding up, Sir Miles? [[FlippingTheBird Just two.]]"

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* Lampshaded/spoofed in ''ComicBook/TheInvisibles'' when Sir Miles is using the drug ''Key 17'' to mess with King Mob's mind. He causes King Mob to see, among other things, five fingers where there are four. The illustration is subtly creepy.
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creepy. At the end, when King Mob escapes, he returns the favor: "How many fingers am I holding up, Sir Miles? [[FlippingTheBird Just two.]]"



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* Lampshaded by Nice Guy Eddie, in Film/ReservoirDogs:
-->" "If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!"
* ''Film/LandOfTheBlind'': The new regime apparently mandates vegetarianism, and forces dissidents in the re-education camps to recite: [[FourTermsFallacy "A dry crust of bread is better than nothing, but nothing is better than a big juicy steak. Therefore, dry crust of bread is better than a big juicy steak."]] Plus of course "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."

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* Lampshaded Private Plato in ''ComicStrip/BeetleBailey'' creates an instant demonstration by Nice Guy Eddie, in Film/ReservoirDogs:
-->" "If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started
giving [[YesMan Lt. Sonny Fuzz]] a black piece of paper and expressing confusion over the goddamn Chicago fire, now alleged fact that don't necessarily make it fucking so!"
* ''Film/LandOfTheBlind'': The new regime apparently mandates vegetarianism, and forces dissidents in
the re-education camps to recite: [[FourTermsFallacy "A dry crust of bread is better than nothing, but nothing is better than a big juicy steak. Therefore, dry crust of bread is better than a big juicy steak."]] Plus of course "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."general said it was white.



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* Lampshaded by Nice Guy Eddie, in ''Film/ReservoirDogs'':
-->'''Nice Guy Eddie:''' If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!
* ''Film/LandOfTheBlind'': The new regime apparently mandates vegetarianism, and forces dissidents in the re-education camps to recite: [[FourTermsFallacy "A dry crust of bread is better than nothing, but nothing is better than a big juicy steak. Therefore, dry crust of bread is better than a big juicy steak."]] Plus of course "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."
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* In the ''Series/BabylonFive'' episode "Intersections in Real Time," John Sheridan's torture and interrogation of is based around manipulating perspective and convincing Sheridan to accept the fact that the truth is fluid, and therefore he's a mutineer, a conspirator, a terrorist, and a victim of alien influence. They needed him to sincerely believe his confession in order to fool telepathic scans. However, he manages to rather effectively turn the logic around against his interrogator by saying that, essentially, just as their truth is valid to them, so is his to himself.
--> '''John Sheridan:''' You know, it's funny, I was thinking about what you said, that the preeminent truth of our age is that you cannot fight the system. But if, as you say, the truth is fluid, that the truth is subjective, then maybe you can fight the system. As long as just one person refuses to be broken, refuses to bow down.
--> '''Interrogator:''' But can you win?
--> '''John Sheridan:''' Every time I say '''"no."'''

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* In the ''Series/BabylonFive'' episode "Intersections in Real Time," Time", John Sheridan's torture and interrogation of is based around manipulating perspective and convincing Sheridan to accept the fact that the truth is fluid, and therefore he's a mutineer, a conspirator, a terrorist, and a victim of alien influence. They needed needs him to sincerely believe his confession in order to fool telepathic scans. However, he manages to rather effectively turn the logic around against his interrogator by saying that, essentially, just as their truth is valid to them, so is his to himself.
--> '''John -->'''John Sheridan:''' You know, it's funny, I was thinking about what you said, that the preeminent truth of our age is that you cannot fight the system. But if, as you say, the truth is fluid, that the truth is subjective, then maybe you can fight the system. As long as just one person refuses to be broken, refuses to bow down.
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down.\\
'''Interrogator:''' But can you win?
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win?\\
'''John Sheridan:''' Every time I say '''"no."'''



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* Private Plato in ''ComicStrip/BeetleBailey'' creates an instant demonstration by giving [[YesMan Lt. Sonny Fuzz]] a black piece of paper and expressing confusion over the alleged fact that the general said it was white.
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[[ComicallyMissingThePoint ůSo, Torture = 3?]]

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[[ComicallyMissingThePoint ůSo, [[ComicallyMissingThePoint ...So, Torture = 3?]]
3?]]


* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list [[HopeSpot "2 + 2 = "]] instead. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]
* Dostoevsky offers us this joyful piece of wisdom:

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* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list [[HopeSpot "2 + 2 = "]] instead. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]
5"]].
* Dostoevsky Creator/FyodorDostoevsky offers us this joyful piece of wisdom:


* ''Film/LandOfTheBlind'': The new regime apparently mandates vegetarianism, and forces dissidents in the re-education camps to recite: [[FourTermsFallacy "A dry crust of bread is better than nothing, but nothing is better than a big juicy steak. Therefore, dry crust of bread is better than a big juicy steak."]] Plus of course "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."



** Dostoevsky is actually inverting this trope: the torture comes from the reality that 2*2 = 4 and that there is no realistic hope to escape from it. Only when you can say 2*2 = something other than 4, can there be hope and freedom. Perhaps a version of IRejectYourReality when the reality is gloomy and tortuous.

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** Dostoevsky is actually inverting this trope: the torture comes from the reality that 2*2 2 + 2 = 4 and that there is no realistic hope to escape from it. Only when you can say 2*2 2 + 2 = something other than 4, can there be hope and freedom. Perhaps a version of IRejectYourReality when the reality is gloomy and tortuous.



** The Sith have a tendency to use this and BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil on Jedi captives. Unfortunately, it's often successful because the Sith are not only exploiting loopholes in the Jedi's dogma of emotional repression, but they also exploit the Order's ''chronic'' bad habit of [[HalfTruth telling their rank-and-file "a certain point of view"]] when it comes to critical information.

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** * The Sith have a tendency to use this and BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil on Jedi captives. Unfortunately, it's often successful because the Sith are not only exploiting loopholes in the Jedi's dogma of emotional repression, but they also exploit the Order's ''chronic'' bad habit of [[HalfTruth telling their rank-and-file "a certain point of view"]] when it comes to critical information.


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* Creator/AlbertCamus wrote, very similarly to Orwell "again and again there comes a time in history when the man who dares to say that two and two makes four is punished by death" in his book ''Literature/ThePlague''.

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* In ''Literature/NightWatch'', the utterly mad Captain Findthee Swing uses craniometrics to determine whether someone was a criminal or not. And funnily enough, "after a short stay in the care of his much more direct underlings, he would inevitably be proven right".


* Hilarious -- and simultaneously terrifying -- is the ShoutOut to this trope in ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}''. Midway through the struggle with BigBad [[spoiler:[=GlaDOs=], she]] angrily seethes, "You think you're doing some damage? Two plus two is... f-f-f-f- Ten. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope ...In base FOUR!]] [[OhCrap I'm FINE!]]"]]

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* Hilarious -- and simultaneously terrifying -- is the ShoutOut to this trope in ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}''. Midway through the struggle with BigBad [[spoiler:[=GlaDOs=], [[spoiler:[=GlaDOS=], she]] angrily seethes, "You think you're doing some damage? Two plus two is... f-f-f-f- Ten. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope ...In base FOUR!]] [[OhCrap I'm FINE!]]"]]


* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': Interestingly, if you shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer round, he claims he has drug resssistannce trrraiiinnninnng. Repeated shots eventually make him insist "Two plus two equals five. TWO plus two equals FIVE..." without any outside assistance. As it turns out, he's intentionally ''torturing himself with reinforced contradictory beliefs'' because [[spoiler:Venom Snake is on the verge of accidentally breaking his hypnosis, and like in IV, he kind of needs to semi-forget that Venom Snake ISN'T Big Boss to pull this insurrection off]].

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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': Interestingly, if you shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer round, he claims he has drug resssistannce trrraiiinnninnng. Repeated shots eventually make him insist "Two plus two equals five. TWO plus two equals FIVE..." without any outside assistance. As it turns out, he's intentionally ''torturing himself with reinforced contradictory beliefs'' because [[spoiler:Venom Snake is on the verge of accidentally breaking his hypnosis, and like in IV, ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}'', he kind of needs to semi-forget that Venom Snake ISN'T ''isn't'' Big Boss to pull this insurrection off]].



* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/ChalkZone'' a horrible counselor sets out to make sure that Rudy understands what is "real" and what isn't. She straps him to a chair that shows him two pictures (generally a photo and a cartoon image) and asks him which is better. Every time he gets it wrong, it honks loudly at him. Later in the episode, we see him feebly trying to answer and getting honk after honk after honk until he says "whatever you say", which is the answer she was looking for. She even uses the word "ungood" instead of "bad," straight of ''1984'''s Newspeak dictionary!

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* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/ChalkZone'' a horrible counselor sets out to make sure that Rudy understands what is "real" and what isn't. She straps him to a chair that shows him two pictures (generally a photo and a cartoon image) and asks him which is better. Every time he gets it wrong, it honks loudly at him. Later in the episode, we see him feebly trying to answer and getting honk after honk after honk until he says "whatever you say", which is the answer she was looking for. She even uses the word "ungood" instead of "bad," straight of ''1984'''s Newspeak dictionary!dictionary.



* [[ParodiedTrope Spoofed]] in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Fishsticks" when Music/KanyeWest, [[ComicallyMissingThePoint denying that ]][[DontExplainTheJoke liking fish sticks makes him a gay fish]], tracks down Carlos Mencia, believed at the time to be [[spoiler:the originator of the "fish sticks" joke]], and tortures him. When Mencia is [[IRejectYourReality unable to crack]] and [[ItMakesSenseInContext break from the "reality" of the joke]], Kanye [[LudicrousGibs decapitates him with a baseball bat]].

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* [[ParodiedTrope Spoofed]] in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Fishsticks" when Music/KanyeWest, [[ComicallyMissingThePoint [[ItMakesSenseInContext denying that ]][[DontExplainTheJoke liking fish sticks makes him a gay fish]], tracks down Carlos Mencia, believed at the time to be [[spoiler:the originator of the "fish sticks" joke]], and tortures him. When Mencia is [[IRejectYourReality unable to crack]] and [[ItMakesSenseInContext break from the "reality" of the joke]], Kanye [[LudicrousGibs decapitates him with a baseball bat]].


* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': Interestingly, if you shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer round, he claims he has [[CrowningMomentOfFunny drug resssistannce trrraiiinnninnng]]. Repeated shots eventually make him insist "Two plus two equals five. TWO plus two equals FIVE..." without any outside assistance. As it turns out, he's intentionally ''torturing himself with reinforced contradictory beliefs'' because [[spoiler:Venom Snake is on the verge of accidentally breaking his hypnosis, and like in IV, he kind of needs to semi-forget that Venom Snake ISN'T Big Boss to pull this insurrection off]].

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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': Interestingly, if you shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer round, he claims he has [[CrowningMomentOfFunny drug resssistannce trrraiiinnninnng]].trrraiiinnninnng. Repeated shots eventually make him insist "Two plus two equals five. TWO plus two equals FIVE..." without any outside assistance. As it turns out, he's intentionally ''torturing himself with reinforced contradictory beliefs'' because [[spoiler:Venom Snake is on the verge of accidentally breaking his hypnosis, and like in IV, he kind of needs to semi-forget that Venom Snake ISN'T Big Boss to pull this insurrection off]].


* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/ChalkZone'' a horrible counselor sets out to make sure that Rudy understands what is "real" and what isn't. She straps him to a chair that shows him two pictures (generally a photo and a cartoon image) and asks him which is better. Every time he gets it wrong, it honks loudly at him. Later in the episode, we see him feebly trying to answer and getting honk after honk after honk until he says "whatever you say", which is the answer she was looking for.

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* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/ChalkZone'' a horrible counselor sets out to make sure that Rudy understands what is "real" and what isn't. She straps him to a chair that shows him two pictures (generally a photo and a cartoon image) and asks him which is better. Every time he gets it wrong, it honks loudly at him. Later in the episode, we see him feebly trying to answer and getting honk after honk after honk until he says "whatever you say", which is the answer she was looking for. She even uses the word "ungood" instead of "bad," straight of ''1984'''s Newspeak dictionary!


* The image source comes from the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Chain of Command, Part II." Picard is captured during a black op and taken to [[TortureTechnician Gul Madred]] (masterfully played by David Warner), who thinks that Picard knows Federation defense plans. Madred tries to force Picard to tell him that there are five lights on the wall when there are really only four. Every time Picard insists that there are four, Madred zaps him with an AgonyBeam. When Picard is finally released, he defiantly proclaims "[[PunctuatedForEmphasis THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!]]" to Madred as he is leaving, but it's not as [[DefiantToTheEnd triumphant]] as it seems -- later, Picard admits to Troi that not only would he have readily ''said'' there were five lights just to make the pain stop if he hadn't been released at that exact moment, he was so much at his wits' end that he for a moment actually ''saw'' five lights.

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* The image source comes from the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Chain of Command, Part II." Picard is captured during a black op and taken to [[TortureTechnician Gul Madred]] (masterfully played by David Warner), Creator/DavidWarner), who thinks that Picard knows Federation defense plans. Madred tries to force Picard to tell him that there are five lights on the wall when there are really only four. Every time Picard insists that there are four, Madred zaps him with an AgonyBeam. When Picard is finally released, he defiantly proclaims "[[PunctuatedForEmphasis THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!]]" to Madred as he is leaving, but it's not as [[DefiantToTheEnd triumphant]] as it seems -- later, Picard admits to Troi that not only would he have readily ''said'' there were five lights just to make the pain stop if he hadn't been released at that exact moment, he was so much at his wits' end that he for a moment actually ''saw'' five lights.


** During the Salem witch trials, as dramatised in ''Theatre/TheCrucible'', Giles Corey was one of the few who [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight."]]

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** During the Salem witch trials, as dramatised in ''Theatre/TheCrucible'', Giles Corey was one of the few who [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight."]]"]] [[IncrediblyLamePun Clearly, this man had stones.]]


* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsay Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsay comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsay slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."

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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsay Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsay comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsay slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."


A MindRape technique [[TropeCodifier popularised]] by ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': The villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means using ColdBloodedTorture (both physical and psychological) to make the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], [[LogicBomb or irrational]].

The villain needs to make him believe that 2 + 2 = 5. It is said that the Truth will set you Free, and when truth loses all meaning, it becomes just another method of Orwellian [[MoreThanMindControl Mind Control]].

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A MindRape technique [[TropeCodifier popularised]] by ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': The villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means using ColdBloodedTorture (both physical and psychological) to make the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], and/or [[LogicBomb or irrational]].

The villain needs to make him the hero believe that 2 + 2 = 5. It is said that the Truth will set you Free, and when truth loses all meaning, it becomes just another method of Orwellian [[MoreThanMindControl Mind Control]].


* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsey Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsey comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsey slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."

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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsey Ramsay Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsey Ramsay comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsey Ramsay slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."


'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]].



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'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant [[JustForFun/IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]].


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