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* The Pro-registration side in ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' turned out to be this. The goal? Insert some accountability into superheroics. The means? Creating an insane clone of [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]], imprisonment without trial in a hellish extradimensional prison for anyone people who didn't go along with it, granting functional pardons and extra powers to supervillains, notably putting ''[[{{Spiderman}} Norman]] [[AxCrazy Osborn]]'' in charge of a government agency, and the conscription at gunpoint of teenagers with superpowers.

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* The Pro-registration side in ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' turned out to be this. The goal? Insert some accountability into superheroics. The means? Creating an insane clone of [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]], imprisonment without trial in a hellish extradimensional prison for anyone people who didn't go along with it, granting functional pardons and extra powers to supervillains, notably putting ''[[{{Spiderman}} Norman]] [[AxCrazy Osborn]]'' ''ComicBook/NormanOsborn'' in charge of a government agency, and the conscription at gunpoint of teenagers with superpowers.

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** The SuperHero [[https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-greatest-possible-superhero Utilitarian]] will not only stop a crime but will go on to harvest the organs of the criminal, because in spite of the killing, the lives that will be saved will result in a net gain in lives.

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** In [[http://smbc-comics.com/comic/god-computer "God Computer"]], the God-Computer ruling humanity by threat of force orders them to maximise happiness. Where things get really perverse is when they take its orders literally (it's not like they have a choice) and it gets a dose of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. It depends on perspective whether the Totalitarian Utilitarian here is the computer, the humans, or the system formed by both together.


** Charles di Britannia [[spoiler: and his wife Marianne have a plan to Kill "God" and prevent anyone from lying]].

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** Charles di Britannia [[spoiler: and his wife Marianne have a plan to Kill "God" and prevent anyone from lying]]. lying. Shame it has the "small" side effect of removing indivituality to the point no one would be considered human anymore]].
** Schneizel's Damocles plan is basically this. [[spoiler: He blows up the biggest cities in the world to force the rest of the world to bow to him, putting an end to conflict as everyone will be too scared to fight against him.]]


* [[GodEmperor The Lord Ruler]] of ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'' tried his hardest to be this. [[spoiler: Pity [[OmnicidalManiac Ruin]] was in telepathic contact with him for his whole thousand-year reign, twisting his utopian vision into a postapocalyptic nightmare]].

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* [[GodEmperor The Lord Ruler]] of ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'' tried his hardest to be this. [[spoiler: Pity [[OmnicidalManiac Ruin]] was in telepathic contact with him for his whole thousand-year reign, twisting his utopian vision into a postapocalyptic post-apocalyptic nightmare]].



*** The difference is explained in the MMO. Turns out that [[spoiler:individuals forced to work together means that different viewpoints and resistances act as safeguards and vaccines. The ENTIRE Borg were hacked by psychopaths a LONG time ago.]]

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*** The difference is explained in the MMO. Turns out that [[spoiler:individuals forced to work together means that different viewpoints and resistances act as safeguards and vaccines. The ENTIRE Borg Collective were hacked by psychopaths a LONG time ago.]]


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There are three basic flavors of Totalitarian Utilitarian:

* '''The problem is the means''':
** The TU has a good goal that many would support, given that it is fundamentally good and noble, but only the TU thinks the means they have chosen are acceptable. Perhaps this particular road to utopia is PoweredByAForsakenChild or simply includes a nauseating level of [[SlidingScaleOfUnavoidableVersusUnforgivable so-called 'necessary' sacrifices]].
** The TU has a good goal that many would support, given that it is fundamentally good and noble, but the means the TU has chosen have hidden/'hidden' costs. Though it'll [[MathematiciansAnswer 'solve' the original problem]], it'll bring about something even worse. For example, they may try to prevent crime... by sacrificing everyone's souls to an eldritch abomination so they will no longer have [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill personalities or feel the desire to steal.]] They may not have even realized that this is a problem.

* '''The problem is the goal''':
** The TU has a goal that few would support, given just how extreme and [[InsaneTrollLogic illogical]] it is. Any principle can become NightmareFuel if one divorces it from common sense and basic human decency. For example:
*** We should maximize the average happiness. This can most easily be done by constantly, and secretly, exterminating the unhappiest people.
*** We should maximize the total happiness. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_addition_paradox Since even starving people are capable of happiness, we should raise the total population as high as possible, regardless of each individual's quality of life.]]
*** Negative Utilitarianism: Instead of maximizing happiness, we should only focus on minimizing suffering. However, since all living things suffer to some extent we can only eliminate suffering by [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds putting the unhappy out of their misery]] - or by exterminating ''everyone''.
*** We should ''[[HappinessIsMandatory make]]'' [[HappinessIsMandatory everyone happy]], people who are unhappy should be [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul cured]] of this condition using the [[LotusEaterMachine latest technology or magitek]].

* '''The problem is the 'problem'''':
** [[WindmillCrusader The TU has a goal that more or less everyone can agree is misinformed, insane, or both]] - they're willing to [[ShootTheDog make]] [[AMillionIsAStatistic (huge)]] [[SenselessSacrifice sacrifices]] in the name of [[AllForNothing a completely useless goal]]. For example, they might try to fix the endemic and civilisation-destroying catastrophe of ant-theft... by organising the sacrificial murder of the entire population of New Delhi as an offering to a non-existent supernatural entity that they think will solve the problem with its magic.


** In [[https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-04-03 the strip for 2012-04-03]], a utilitarian computer is created to replace government, deciding what everyone should do to maximise total happiness. It actually works fine until a guy called Felix show up who's capable of experiencing so much happiness that everyone else's good is sacrificed for him and it still amounts to a greater total.

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** In [[https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-04-03 the strip for 2012-04-03]], a utilitarian computer is created to replace government, deciding what everyone should do to maximise total happiness. It actually works fine until a guy called Felix show shows up who's capable of experiencing so much happiness that everyone else's good is sacrificed for him and it still amounts to a greater total.


* {{Exaggerated}} in ''WebComic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'', [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/evil-ethics "Evil Ethics"]]: A kid espouses [[ForTheEvulz evil]] utilitarianism, which requires immediately committing the most evil-seeming acts that are thought to maximize overall happiness. (The other kid disagrees, being an [[PrinciplesZealot evil deontologist]].)

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* ''WebComic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal''
** In [[https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-04-03 the strip for 2012-04-03]], a utilitarian computer is created to replace government, deciding what everyone should do to maximise total happiness. It actually works fine until a guy called Felix show up who's capable of experiencing so much happiness that everyone else's good is sacrificed for him and it still amounts to a greater total.
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{{Exaggerated}} in ''WebComic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'', [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/evil-ethics "Evil Ethics"]]: A kid espouses [[ForTheEvulz evil]] utilitarianism, which requires immediately committing the most evil-seeming acts that are thought to maximize overall happiness. (The other kid disagrees, being an [[PrinciplesZealot evil deontologist]].)


* In ''Film/{{Serenity}}'' there is the Alliance, which tried to create a more peaceful world through chemical testing [[spoiler:leading to untold numbers of deaths and the creation of a breed of rampaging psychopath space pirate]], and their hatchet man, the Operative. Notably, the Operative acknowledges that when they've ''built'' their "perfect" world, he won't have any place in it.

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* In ''Film/{{Serenity}}'' there is the Alliance, which tried to create a more peaceful world through chemical testing [[spoiler:leading to untold numbers of deaths and the creation of a breed of rampaging psychopath space pirate]], and their hatchet man, the Operative. Notably, the Operative acknowledges that when they've ''built'' their "perfect" world, [[NoPlaceForMeThere he won't have any place in it.it]].


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* '''The problem is the goal:'''

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* '''The problem is the 'problem':'''

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* An example of |Erase Humans -> Erase Suffering| logic is in LightNovel/BookOfBantorra. The girlfriend of the evil priest has developed this philosophy, due to being imprisoned within the priest's soul for ages along with the souls of thousands, if not millions or billions, who have been stuck in the purgatory of existing in a allegoral plantless desert. This turns her into the big bad, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds type, and forces EVERYONE ELSE (who isn't a monster or too tired to exist) to participate in the fight for Book-Earth.

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* An example of |Erase Humans -> Erase Suffering| logic is in LightNovel/BookOfBantorra. The girlfriend of the evil priest has developed this philosophy, due to being imprisoned within the priest's soul for ages along with the souls of thousands, if not millions or billions, who have been stuck in the purgatory of existing in a allegoral plantless desert. This turns her into the big bad, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds type, and forces EVERYONE ELSE (who isn't a monster or too tired to exist) to participate in the fight for Book-Earth.



* In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', this is revealed to be Thanos's motive. His comic counterpart was literally in love with Death, and used the Infinity Gauntlet to wipe out half of all life as a "tribute" to her. Here, he wants to do the same thing... because he believes the universe is headed for the same OverpopulationCrisis that destroyed his home.
-->'''Thanos:''' If life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist. It needs correcting.

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* In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', this is revealed to be Thanos's Thanos' motive. His comic counterpart was literally in love with Death, and used the Infinity Gauntlet to wipe out half of all life as a "tribute" to her. Here, he wants to do the same thing... because he believes the universe is headed for the same OverpopulationCrisis that destroyed his home.
-->'''Thanos:''' -->'''Thanos''': If life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist. It needs correcting.



* Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' contains a very grim [[SatireParodyPastiche satire]] of this concept: The ruling party are trying to make sure that the party members are the happiest people in the world - by making their lives hell but making everyone else's life far worse! And of course it [[SarcasmMode works great]]. Even the protagonist [[MoreThanMindControl agrees with the party about everything...]] [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil eventually]].

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* Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' contains a very grim [[SatireParodyPastiche satire]] {{satire|ParodyPastiche}} of this concept: The ruling party are trying to make sure that the party members are the happiest people in the world - by making their lives hell but making everyone else's life far worse! And of course it [[SarcasmMode works great]]. Even the protagonist [[MoreThanMindControl agrees with the party about everything...]] everything]]... [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil eventually]].



* ''Franchise/StarWars'' EU treats [[BigBad Jacen Solo]] like this [[RetCon after his demise.]]

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'' EU treats [[BigBad Jacen Solo]] like this [[RetCon after his demise.]]demise]].



* The Illusive Man of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' and his organization [[KnightTemplar Cerberus]] are dedicated to the protection, prosperity, and improvement of mankind in the galaxy. Of course that means that he wants to defeat every alien race that could ever possibly be a threat (i.e. ''all of them''), is quite fond of PlayingWithSyringes, and will kill anybody who could conceivably threaten one of his goals (including any of his own employees). [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans History will vindicate him, after all.]] Worst part? ''He may be right.'' [[HeroWithBadPublicity The Council and the Alliance are just two steps short of declaring Shepard a criminal.]] The best that Shepard's [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Reasonable Superiors]] can do is prevent that from happening. [[DealWithTheDevil Cerberus is the only]] [[EnemyMine ally Shepard has.]]\\\

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* The Illusive Man of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' and his organization [[KnightTemplar Cerberus]] are dedicated to the protection, prosperity, and improvement of mankind in the galaxy. Of course that means that he wants to defeat every alien race that could ever possibly be a threat (i.e. ''all of them''), is quite fond of PlayingWithSyringes, and will kill anybody who could conceivably threaten one of his goals (including any of his own employees). [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans History will vindicate him, after all.]] all]]. Worst part? ''He may be right.'' [[HeroWithBadPublicity The Council and the Alliance are just two steps short of declaring Shepard a criminal.]] criminal]]. The best that Shepard's [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Reasonable Superiors]] can do is prevent that from happening. [[DealWithTheDevil Cerberus is the only]] [[EnemyMine ally Shepard has.]]\\\has]].\\\



--> '''[=GLaDOS=]:''' [[MadScientist Aperture Science]]: [[IDidWhatIHadToDo We do what we must]], [[ItAmusedMe because we can]]. [[TheNeedsOfTheMany For the good of all of us]], [[AssuranceBackfire except the ones who are dead]].
* ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'''s BigBad, [[spoiler:[[BaitAndSwitchBoss Kerghan]]]], believes [[TheExtremistWasRight (rightly so)]] that death equals eternal peace as opposed to the constant struggle of life. [[OmnicidalManiac He draws the logical conclusion.]] The most disturbing thing is that he makes his case so well, and has such compelling evidence for his premises, you may well find yourself agreeing with him.

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--> '''[=GLaDOS=]:''' '''[=GLaDOS=]''': [[MadScientist Aperture Science]]: [[IDidWhatIHadToDo We do what we must]], [[ItAmusedMe because we can]]. [[TheNeedsOfTheMany For the good of all of us]], [[AssuranceBackfire except the ones who are dead]].
* ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'''s BigBad, [[spoiler:[[BaitAndSwitchBoss Kerghan]]]], believes [[TheExtremistWasRight (rightly so)]] that death equals eternal peace as opposed to the constant struggle of life. [[OmnicidalManiac He draws the logical conclusion.]] conclusion]]. The most disturbing thing is that he makes his case so well, and has such compelling evidence for his premises, you may well find yourself agreeing with him.



-->'''Mattie:''' Five people every twenty years to keep that monster asleep? More people die from dog bites every year. Hell, more people die from me every year!

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-->'''Mattie:''' -->'''Mattie''': Five people every twenty years to keep that monster asleep? More people die from dog bites every year. Hell, more people die from me every year!



* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'': [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in surprising nuance and subtlety as [[TheHighQueen Princess Bubblegum's]] FatalFlaw. On the one hand, the Land of Ooo is a CrapsaccharineWorld and the [[MadeOfPlasticine Candy People]] are [[TooDumbToLive not very savvy to its many dangers]]. Caring for her people is a [[{{Workaholic}} full-time job]], as they are [[InherentInTheSystem quick to panic and doubt]], to say nothing of the many dangers that find their way to the kingdom's borders. As such, [[VetinariJobSecurity the Candy Kingdom's all but guaranteed to collapse if/when PB permanently leaves power]] but - to top it all off - she is ''not'' immortal and (being more-or-less the LastOfHerKind) has ''[[YourDaysAreNumbered has no idea how long her life may truly last]]''. On the other hand, her [[IDidWhatIHadToDo methods of peacekeeping]] are... [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans extreme]]. SurveillanceAsThePlotDemands, PlayingWithSyringes, {{Realpolitik}} and other forms of DirtyBusiness are all on the table. Roughly half the hardships that befall the kingdom are her experiments GoneHorriblyWrong, she [[ManipulativeBastard keeps the local]] KidHero [[ManipulativeBastard in her pocket]] and she's caused two [[ZombieApocalypse Zombie outbreaks]] to date.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'': [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] {{Played with}} in surprising nuance and subtlety as [[TheHighQueen Princess Bubblegum's]] FatalFlaw. On the one hand, the Land of Ooo is a CrapsaccharineWorld and the [[MadeOfPlasticine Candy People]] are [[TooDumbToLive not very savvy to its many dangers]]. Caring for her people is a [[{{Workaholic}} full-time job]], as they are [[InherentInTheSystem quick to panic and doubt]], to say nothing of the many dangers that find their way to the kingdom's borders. As such, [[VetinariJobSecurity the Candy Kingdom's all but guaranteed to collapse if/when PB permanently leaves power]] but - to top it all off - she is ''not'' immortal and (being more-or-less the LastOfHerKind) has ''[[YourDaysAreNumbered has no idea how long her life may truly last]]''. On the other hand, her [[IDidWhatIHadToDo methods of peacekeeping]] are... [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans extreme]]. SurveillanceAsThePlotDemands, PlayingWithSyringes, {{Realpolitik}} and other forms of DirtyBusiness are all on the table. Roughly half the hardships that befall the kingdom are her experiments GoneHorriblyWrong, she [[ManipulativeBastard keeps the local]] KidHero [[ManipulativeBastard in her pocket]] and she's caused two [[ZombieApocalypse Zombie outbreaks]] to date.


* In ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'', Friend Computer maximizes happiness by simply [[HappinessIsMandatory making unhappiness a capital offense]]. Are you happy? Thought so.

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'', Friend The Computer maximizes happiness by simply [[HappinessIsMandatory making unhappiness a capital criminal offense]]. Are you happy? Thought so.The severity varies by campaign and edition, from simple fines for pessimism to summary execution for frowning in the face of the enemy.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Stannis Baratheon is this if you subscribe to the belief that he really ''is'' devoted to TheNeedsOfTheMany and isn't just using it to justify his egomania.

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