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** Early in the first book has Harry mentioning that Science as "the great religion of the 20th Century" has been treated as the source of all the answers and those answers don't include monsters or magic, which means people are left without a clue when they encounter the supernatural. One character [[spoiler:Butters]] confrontation with this is something of a subplot in ''Literature/DeadBeat''.
** That said the series actually treats science with a fair amount of respect. Harry is often shown using(abusing really) various laws of physics, usually mass and/or momentum, to assist his spells in order to enhance their effects or impact. And [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome there was that thing with the dinosaur]]. Late in the series [[spoiler:Butters]] combines his scientific mind and training with Bob's exhaustive knowledge and is able to develop several new and powerful applications of magic.
** On balance while science is wrong this stems from important facts being missing from its models due to society having decided the supernatural does not exist not that any particular portion of it views are individually wrong.

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** Early in the first book has Harry mentioning that Science as "the great religion of the 20th Century" has been treated as the source of all the answers and those answers don't include monsters or magic, which means people are left without a clue when they encounter the supernatural. One character [[spoiler:Butters]] character's confrontation with this is -- [[spoiler:Butters]] --is something of a subplot in ''Literature/DeadBeat''.
** That said the series actually treats science with a fair amount of respect. Harry is often shown using(abusing using (abusing really) various laws of physics, usually mass and/or momentum, to assist his spells in order to enhance their effects or impact. And [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome there was that thing with the dinosaur]]. Late [[Literature/SkinGame Late]] in the series [[spoiler:Butters]] combines his scientific mind and training with Bob's exhaustive knowledge and is able to develop several new and powerful applications of magic.
** On balance while science is wrong this stems from important facts being missing from its models due to society having decided the supernatural does not exist exist, not that any particular portion of it its views are individually wrong.

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* ''Literature/TheThreeBodyProblem'': The world's foremost physicists are being DrivenToSuicide because of evidence that there are no unified laws of physics and that, at a subatomic scale, everything degenerates into random chance. Ultimately {{Subverted|Trope}} when it's revealed that [[spoiler:hostile {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s are interfering with the particle-accelerator experiments to prevent humanity from reaching their level of technological advancement]].


* Played straight with the German Sterligov, Russian millionaire. He takes it UpToEleven, claiming that science is not only ''wrong'' but downright [[TechnologyIsEvil Evil]], and therefore should be purged from the Earth [[KnightTemplar along with all the scientists and teachers]]. He promptly followedhis own advice and moved with his family to a house in the middle of nowhere, to live in his ideal lifestyle without all that damned technology, education and medical care. He still preaches his views. [[{{Hypocrite}} Through the Internet]].

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* Played straight with the German Sterligov, Russian millionaire. He takes it UpToEleven, claiming that science is not only ''wrong'' but downright [[TechnologyIsEvil Evil]], and therefore should be purged from the Earth [[KnightTemplar along with all the scientists and teachers]]. He promptly followedhis followed his own advice and moved with his family to a house in the middle of nowhere, to live in his ideal lifestyle without all that damned technology, education and medical care. He still preaches his views. [[{{Hypocrite}} Through the Internet]].

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** Of course, anybody who ''actually believes'' that science is only valid for white men would [[MovingTheGoalposts interpret that response as evidence of the West's domination of other cultures]], so [[PreachingToTheChoir it wouldn't actually convince anybody who isn't already sympathetic to his views]].

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* Mocked in ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'' when Mac tries to win an argument by proving that “science is a liar sometimes”. It quickly becomes apparent that he has no idea how science works, as he just cites instances of [[ScienceMarchesOn famous scientists having their theories disproved by later scientists]]. Dennis turns it against him by baiting him into trying to prove his point by ''dis''proving evolution, which Mac fails at catastrophically.


** That said the series actually treats science with a fair amount of respect. Harry is often shown using(abusing really) various laws of physics, usually mass and/or momentum, to assist his spells in order to enhance their effects or impact. And [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome there was that thing with the dinosaur]]. Late in the series [[spoiler:Butters]] combines his scientific mind and training with Bob's exhaustive knowledge and is able to develop several new and powerful applications of magic.

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** That said the series actually treats science with a fair amount of respect. Harry is often shown using(abusing really) various laws of physics, usually mass and/or momentum, to assist his spells in order to enhance their effects or impact. And [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome there was that thing with the dinosaur]]. Late in the series [[spoiler:Butters]] combines his scientific mind and training with Bob's exhaustive knowledge and is able to develop several new and powerful applications of magic.



* ScottAdams loves this trope in his written work. See his statements on the paranormal and evolution.

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* ScottAdams Creator/ScottAdams loves this trope in his written work. See his statements on the paranormal and evolution.



* One RogueAngel has this as belief of a group of extreme {{Nature Lover}}s who feel even the most basic advances like farming are evil and wish to return humanity to it's hunter-gatherer roots.

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* One RogueAngel has this as belief of a group of extreme {{Nature Lover}}s who feel even the most basic advances like farming are evil and wish to return humanity to it's its hunter-gatherer roots.



* Deconstructed by Dara O'Briain in one of his live shows, where he discusses homeopathy and his irritation with it. He points out that the real-life accusation levelled at science that "it doesn't know everything" is inherently flawed because the whole point of science is that scientists are ''fully aware'' that they don't know everything, and if they did "it'd stop" -- there would be no point in continuing. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYba0m6ztE&feature=related Enjoy!]] Don't drink while he's talking.
* ''Music/TimMinchin'' really hates this trope and will often go on rants about homepathy but perhaps the best example of this would be his beat poem [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk Storm]]

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* Deconstructed by Dara O'Briain in one of his live shows, where he discusses homeopathy and his irritation with it. He points out that the real-life accusation levelled leveled at science that "it doesn't know everything" is inherently flawed because the whole point of science is that scientists are ''fully aware'' that they don't know everything, and if they did "it'd stop" -- there would be no point in continuing. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYba0m6ztE&feature=related Enjoy!]] Don't drink while he's talking.
* ''Music/TimMinchin'' really hates this trope and will often go on rants about homepathy homeopathy but perhaps the best example of this would be his beat poem [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk Storm]]Storm]].



* Believers in the paranormal-- PsychicPowers, AlienAbduction, and other NewAge ideas-- often criticize science for being too closed-minded to accept their ideas. These people usually fail to give compelling evidence to wake the interests of more conventional scientists. Naturally, the latter group would be excited by new stuff; imagine dropping a ghost on the table of a scientist, they would be delighted to analyze it and help you out with more. Alas, since that hasn't happened yet, most of them remain sceptical.

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* Believers in the paranormal-- PsychicPowers, AlienAbduction, and other NewAge ideas-- often criticize science for being too closed-minded to accept their ideas. These people usually fail to give compelling evidence to wake the interests of more conventional scientists. Naturally, the latter group would be excited by new stuff; imagine dropping a ghost on the table of a scientist, they would be delighted to analyze it and help you out with more. Alas, since that hasn't happened yet, most of them remain sceptical.skeptical.



* Played straight with the German Sterligov, russian millionare. He takes it UpToEleven, claiming that science is not only ''wrong'' but downright [[TechnologyIsEvil Evil]], and therefore should be purged from the Earth [[KnightTemplar along with all the scientists and teachers]]. He promptly follows his own advice and moved with his family to a house in the middle of nowhere, to live in his ideal lifestyle without all that damned technology, education and medical care. He still preaches his views. [[{{Hypocrite}} Through the Internet]].

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* Played straight with the German Sterligov, russian millionare.Russian millionaire. He takes it UpToEleven, claiming that science is not only ''wrong'' but downright [[TechnologyIsEvil Evil]], and therefore should be purged from the Earth [[KnightTemplar along with all the scientists and teachers]]. He promptly follows his followedhis own advice and moved with his family to a house in the middle of nowhere, to live in his ideal lifestyle without all that damned technology, education and medical care. He still preaches his views. [[{{Hypocrite}} Through the Internet]].


* ''Series/{{QI}}'': Joked about when Creator/DavidMitchell goes on a rant upon being informed that the ''Principia Mathematica'', published in 1910, takes around 500 pages to prove that "1 + 1 = 2".

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* ''Series/{{QI}}'': Joked about when Creator/DavidMitchell Creator/{{David Mitchell|Actor}} goes on a rant upon being informed that the ''Principia Mathematica'', published in 1910, takes around 500 pages to prove that "1 + 1 = 2".

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* ''Series/{{QI}}'': Joked about when Creator/DavidMitchell goes on a rant upon being informed that the ''Principia Mathematica'', published in 1910, takes around 500 pages to prove that "1 + 1 = 2".
-->'''Mitchell''': That's a bit late for the 20th century, I say. You have a lot riding on 1 + 1 = 2. Quite a lot of building going on, an international economy... what happens if you find out 1 + 1 doesn't equal 2? What do we do? Just burn everything! God knows anything can fall on your head. Money? You might as well eat it. Just forget civilisation.


** Early in the first book has Harry mentioning that Science as "the great religion of the 20th Century" has been treated as the source of all the answers and those answers don't include monsters or magic, which means people are left without a clue when they encounter the supernatural. One character [[spoiler:Butters]] confrontation with this is something of a subplot in ''Dead Beat''.

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** Early in the first book has Harry mentioning that Science as "the great religion of the 20th Century" has been treated as the source of all the answers and those answers don't include monsters or magic, which means people are left without a clue when they encounter the supernatural. One character [[spoiler:Butters]] confrontation with this is something of a subplot in ''Dead Beat''.''Literature/DeadBeat''.


** In the sourcebook ''Second Sight'', science is presented not only as being wrong about PsychicPowers, but actively ''damaging'' to their activation - scientific scrutiny makes them harder to use. Which is, of course, why no use of psychic ability ever passed the Randi Challenge (aside from the fact that everyone who entered was a charlatan; actual psychics were too busy conning casinos or playing the stock market). To be even more specific, it's not science itself but ''skepticism'' which weakens psychic powers, it just unhappily coincides that scientists are the best equipped and inclined to be skeptical. As presented, psychic powers are strengthened in the presence of true believers, but a group of skeptics (or just one who has bought the Merit "Doubting Thomas") will alter probability to the point where the likelihood of success becomes equal to the likelihood of achieving a CriticalFailure.

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** In the sourcebook ''Second Sight'', science is presented not only as being wrong about PsychicPowers, but actively ''damaging'' to their activation - scientific scrutiny makes them harder to use. Which is, of course, why no use of psychic ability ever passed the Randi Challenge (aside from the fact that everyone who entered was a charlatan; actual psychics were too busy conning casinos or playing the stock market). To be even more specific, it's not science itself but ''skepticism'' which weakens psychic powers, it just unhappily coincides that scientists are the best equipped and inclined to be skeptical. As presented, psychic powers are strengthened in the presence of true believers, but a group of skeptics (or just one who has bought the Merit "Doubting Thomas") will alter probability to the point where the likelihood of success becomes equal to the likelihood of achieving a CriticalFailure. This is an explanation many self-described psychics have used for why they can't do things while skeptics are watching too. The skeptics feel this is more likely just an excuse however.



* One common misunderstanding about what science is regards "procedural naturalism", a concept that actually goes back to the 12th century. The basic idea is that one must assume natural causes and only use natural causes in describing phenomena. There are two sides to this. First is that something like Intelligent Design is not, by definition, scientific. This is not to say that assuming intelligent design cannot lead to practical applications with repeatable results and such, but it doesn't follow the paradigm. To the extent that making non-natural assumptions leads to falsifiable predictions that are confirmed, science is wrong (or at least, incomplete). The second part is taking procedural naturalism (as an assumption) and making the leap to an assertion that only natural causes can describe phenomena. This is known as ontological or philosophical naturalism and is a metaphysical proposition. As such, it cannot be "proven" right or wrong, at least not by what is itself considered to be science. Whether it's Hume's Problem with Induction or Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, there is no way to be sure. Making the assertion is itself not scientific. This trope includes the opposite assertion which - not surprisingly - is just as unscientific, but alleged to be moreso because of this confusion.
* Scientific approaches to questions of morality can be criticized as not scientific because abstract concepts of right, wrong, good, evil and the like have no physical characteristics - in and of themselves - from which empirical observations can be made. Hume's Law laid out the Is-Ought Problem: normative prescriptions can not be deduced from empirical observation and description. To describe good or evil, one must define it, but that is the whole point: you must choose axioms for what is good or evil before you can test them. Noting the above entry, one can assume that morals are a product of evolutionary psychobiology but that is still just an assumption. It may even provide descriptive and predictive power but there is no way to show that someone "should" do something in some circumstance without falling back on your original assumption. You can't tell if it is correct, but it is bad science. This trope can assert that the things that are most important to human beings - love, beauty, justice - cannot be measured and therefore cannot be approached scientifically. While scientists can study one's brain's composition and activity to determine what triggers certain emotions and the effects of experiencing what one likes / dislikes, claiming that personal preferences are objectively "right or wrong" is a very flawed statement.

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* One common misunderstanding about what science is regards "procedural "methodological naturalism", a concept that actually goes back to the 12th century. The basic idea is that one must assume natural causes and only use natural causes in describing phenomena. There are two sides to this. First is that something like Intelligent Design is not, by definition, scientific. This is not to say that assuming intelligent design cannot lead to practical applications with repeatable results and such, but it doesn't follow the paradigm. To the extent that making non-natural assumptions leads to falsifiable predictions that are confirmed, science is wrong (or at least, incomplete). The second part is taking procedural methodological naturalism (as an assumption) and making the leap to an assertion that only natural causes can describe phenomena. This is known as ontological or philosophical naturalism and is a metaphysical proposition. As such, it cannot be "proven" right or wrong, at least not by what is itself considered to be science. Whether it's Hume's Problem with Induction or Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, there is no way to be sure. Making the assertion is itself not scientific. This trope includes the opposite assertion which - not surprisingly - is just as unscientific, but alleged to be moreso because of this confusion.
* Scientific approaches to questions of morality can be criticized as not scientific because abstract concepts of right, wrong, good, evil and the like have no physical characteristics - in and of themselves - from which empirical observations can be made. Hume's Law laid out the Is-Ought Problem: normative prescriptions can not be deduced from empirical observation and description. To describe good or evil, one must define it, but that is the whole point: you must choose axioms for what is good or evil before you can test them. Noting the above entry, one can assume that morals are a product of evolutionary psychobiology but that is still just an assumption. It may even provide descriptive and predictive power but there is no way to show that someone "should" do something in some circumstance without falling back on your original assumption. You can't tell if it is correct, but it is bad science. This trope can assert that the things that are most important to human beings - love, beauty, justice - cannot be measured and therefore cannot be approached scientifically. While scientists can study one's brain's composition and activity to determine what triggers certain emotions and the effects of experiencing what one likes / dislikes, claiming that personal preferences are objectively scientifically "right or wrong" is a very flawed statement.statement.


* Krzysztof Kieślowski's ''Decalogue I'': professor father and genius son think everything can be understood in mathematics and solved through their computer. The computer is able to calculate what the mother is doing, but comes up blank when the son asks what she is dreaming of (a religious aunt is able to provide the answer: she is dreaming of her son of course). The son goes skating on a frozen lake, because the computer says the ice will hold three times his weight. The ice breaks and the son is frozen to death.

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* Krzysztof Kieślowski's Creator/KrzysztofKieslowski's ''Decalogue I'': professor father and genius son think everything can be understood in mathematics and solved through their computer. The computer is able to calculate what the mother is doing, but comes up blank when the son asks what she is dreaming of (a religious aunt is able to provide the answer: she is dreaming of her son of course). The son goes skating on a frozen lake, because the computer says the ice will hold three times his weight. The ice breaks and the son is frozen to death.


This can also contradict one of the most prevalent sub-tropes of ScienceIsBad, namely, NewTechnologyIsEvil. After all, evil technology presumably ''works'', which means that at least ''that'' science wasn't (empirically) wrong. One possible way to have both tropes is {{Aesoptinium}}; ''because'' science is wrong, the technology became evil in a way the scientists didn't intend, though we can still say Science Is Bad because the scientists [[GenreSavvy should have known better]] than to make something with PotentialApplications.

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This can also contradict one of the most prevalent sub-tropes of ScienceIsBad, namely, NewTechnologyIsEvil. After all, evil technology presumably ''works'', which means that at least ''that'' science wasn't (empirically) wrong. One possible way to have both tropes is {{Aesoptinium}}; ''because'' science is wrong, the technology became evil in a way the scientists didn't intend, though we can still say Science Is Bad because the scientists [[GenreSavvy should have known better]] better than to make something with PotentialApplications.


* [[http://arassara.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/quino-fisica.jpg This strip]] by ''ComicStrip/{{Quino}}'' illustrates {{God}}'s opinion on the Laws of Physics.

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* [[http://arassara.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/quino-fisica.jpg This strip]] by ''ComicStrip/{{Quino}}'' ''Creator/{{Quino}}'' illustrates {{God}}'s opinion on the Laws of Physics.


** Early in the first book has Harry mentioning that Science as "the great religion of the 20th Century" has been treated as the source of all the answers and those answers don't include monsters or magic, which means people are left without a clue when they encounter the supernatural. One character (Butters) confrontation with this is something of a subplot in ''Dead Beat''.

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** Early in the first book has Harry mentioning that Science as "the great religion of the 20th Century" has been treated as the source of all the answers and those answers don't include monsters or magic, which means people are left without a clue when they encounter the supernatural. One character (Butters) [[spoiler:Butters]] confrontation with this is something of a subplot in ''Dead Beat''.

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** Although deeper digging into the game provides a more moderate moral, in that "just" because there is a scientific explanation for something does not mean it is not divine, such as saying that knowing how a rainbow is created doesn't make it any less beautiful.

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