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** After having been the BigBad for the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E1MareInTheMoon series]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony premiere]], a reformed Nightmare Moon (now going by her original persona of Princess Luna), shows up on [[AllHallowsEve Nightmare Night]] in the second season's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E4LunaEclipsed "Luna Eclipsed"]]. Seeing how the day she appeared on was all about ponies fearing her old, evil persona, her arrival on a black chariot, her [[VoiceOfTheLegion booming, boisterous, echoing voice]] that she insists all princesses must speak in for their subjects to listen to them, and her use of SpockSpeak and RoyalWe, has everypony is too frightened to even give her a chance. (The way [[PhysicalGod her mood warps weather]] doesn't help either). Subverted in that the end of the episode reveals that [[spoiler: every one knows that she's reformed and do fully accept her. They just figured she knew about the holiday and was having fun with it, leading her join the festivities with gusto]].

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** After having been the BigBad for the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E1MareInTheMoon series]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony premiere]], a reformed Nightmare Moon (now going by her original persona of Princess Luna), shows up on [[AllHallowsEve [[UsefulNotes/AllHallowsEve Nightmare Night]] in the second season's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E4LunaEclipsed "Luna Eclipsed"]]. Seeing how the day she appeared on was all about ponies fearing her old, evil persona, her arrival on a black chariot, her [[VoiceOfTheLegion booming, boisterous, echoing voice]] that she insists all princesses must speak in for their subjects to listen to them, and her use of SpockSpeak and RoyalWe, has everypony is too frightened to even give her a chance. (The way [[PhysicalGod her mood warps weather]] doesn't help either). Subverted in that the end of the episode reveals that [[spoiler: every one knows that she's reformed and do fully accept her. They just figured she knew about the holiday and was having fun with it, leading her join the festivities with gusto]].


* In ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Borderlands=]''[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] MassiveMultiplayerCrossover, Sarah is on the receiving end of a downplayed version [[spoiler:though this is ultimately averted with some reservation as her allies accept her, despite the fact that if she were to go rogue the Siren could easily kill everybody]]. Given her [[AMillionIsAStatistic past]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist actions]], NighInvulnerability, questions about her [[JustFollowingOrders original motive]], array of extremely potent PsychicPowers, and general dislike for someone who thought [[KillEmAll murder was the answer]] it's understandable that Samantha Shepard & Co. don't embrace her with open arms. Likely the only reason they're putting up with her at all is due to [[spoiler:the Flood]].

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* In ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', a ''MassEffect''[=/=]''StarWars''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Borderlands=]''[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] ''Franchise/MassEffect''[=/=]''Franchise/StarWars''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Borderlands=]''[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] MassiveMultiplayerCrossover, Sarah is on the receiving end of a downplayed version [[spoiler:though this is ultimately averted with some reservation as her allies accept her, despite the fact that if she were to go rogue the Siren could easily kill everybody]]. Given her [[AMillionIsAStatistic past]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist actions]], NighInvulnerability, questions about her [[JustFollowingOrders original motive]], array of extremely potent PsychicPowers, and general dislike for someone who thought [[KillEmAll murder was the answer]] it's understandable that Samantha Shepard & Co. don't embrace her with open arms. Likely the only reason they're putting up with her at all is due to [[spoiler:the Flood]].


* [[NobleDemon Lord Darigan]] from ''Website/{{Neopets}}'' is a textbook example of this. Despite being an ObviouslyEvil BatOutOfHell, he was in fact a WellIntentionedExtremist who was trying to take back from [[LightIsNotGood Meridell]] and their JerkAss ruler, King Skarl. However, even though [[YankTheDogsChain his side won]], their land wasn't restored, and [[DiabolusExMachina he underwent a]] FaceHeelTurn out of nowhere. Then, when he returned, he defeated [[DragonAscendant Lord Kass]] and saved Meridell. You'd think he'd be in the Gallery of Heroes now, right? Nope! He's STILL in the Gallery Of Evil and considered a villain! *WHAP WHAP WHAP*

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* [[NobleDemon Lord Darigan]] from ''Website/{{Neopets}}'' is a textbook example of this. ''Website/{{Neopets}}''. Despite being looking like an ObviouslyEvil BatOutOfHell, he was in fact a WellIntentionedExtremist who was trying to take back from [[LightIsNotGood Meridell]] and their JerkAss [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold good but incredibly selfish]] ruler, King Skarl. However, even though [[YankTheDogsChain his side won]], their land wasn't restored, and [[DiabolusExMachina he underwent a]] FaceHeelTurn out of nowhere.FaceHeelTurn. Then, when he returned, he defeated [[DragonAscendant Lord Kass]] and saved Meridell. You'd think he'd be in the Gallery of Heroes now, right? Nope! He's but instead hes STILL in the Gallery Of Evil and considered a villain! *WHAP WHAP WHAP*Evil. [[WatsonianVsDoylist Though this could be chalked up more to the creators just neglecting to update the Galleries.]]


* In ''[[https://ficbook.net/readfic/8120226 The Disappeared Ships, Carrots and All the Rest]]'', a galaxy-level criminal decides to reform after just barely avoiding execution, and joins the SpacePolice force instead. The only one to fully believe and support him is his former arch-enemy, while everyone else's reaction usually ranges from unhidden caution to "OhCrap! [=SOS=]!" It gets better with time as he proves his HeelFaceTurn.

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* In ''[[https://ficbook.net/readfic/8120226 The Disappeared Ships, Carrots and All the Rest]]'', a galaxy-level criminal decides to reform after just barely avoiding execution, and joins the SpacePolice force instead. The only one to fully believe and support him is his former arch-enemy, while everyone else's reaction usually ranges from unhidden caution to "OhCrap! [=SOS=]!" It gets better with time as he proves his HeelFaceTurn.

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* In ''[[https://ficbook.net/readfic/8120226 The Disappeared Ships, Carrots and All the Rest]]'', a galaxy-level criminal decides to reform after just barely avoiding execution, and joins the SpacePolice force instead. The only one to fully believe and support him is his former arch-enemy, while everyone else's reaction usually ranges from unhidden caution to "OhCrap! [=SOS=]!" It gets better with time as he proves his HeelFaceTurn.


** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' gives us a rare male BrokenBird in the form of [[spoiler:King Gangrel... [[AxCrazy yes, that Gangrel]]. Should you recruit him in his Spotpass chapter, the player will discover, via supports and quotes, that he regrets ''all'' of the actions that he did for the first part of the game on an incredibly deep level, and he has absolutely nothing left to fight for. The Avatar cuts him a break (moreso if a female Avatar marries him), and he even looks out for [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Emmeryn]], the same woman he wanted dead, if she joins your group. Despite most of his actions being unjustifiable, Chrom is never able to forgive him. And Gangrel is ''painfully'' aware of how this is a consequence of his own actions -- even when he had a ''massive'' DarkAndTroubledPast, this is not enough of a reason for him to do the horrible things he did. (Walhart and Aversa, the other Atoners of the game, at least did the just-as-bad things they did after being brainwashed/manipulated by the Grimleal, unlike Gangrel who did them ''out of his own will''.)]]

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** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' gives us a rare male BrokenBird in the form of [[spoiler:King Gangrel... [[AxCrazy yes, that Gangrel]]. Should you recruit him in his Spotpass chapter, the player will discover, via supports and quotes, that he regrets ''all'' of the actions that he did for the first part of the game on an incredibly deep level, and he has absolutely nothing left to fight for. The Avatar cuts him a break (moreso if a female Avatar marries him), and he even looks out for [[LaserGuidedAmnesia Emmeryn]], the same woman he wanted dead, if she joins your group. Despite most of his actions being unjustifiable, Chrom is never able to forgive him. And Gangrel is ''painfully'' aware of how this is a consequence of his own actions -- even when he had a ''massive'' DarkAndTroubledPast, bit of a FreudianExcuse of his mother dying, this is not enough of a reason for him to do the horrible things he did. (Walhart and Aversa, the other Atoners of the game, at least did the just-as-bad things they did after being brainwashed/manipulated by the Grimleal, unlike Gangrel who did them ''out of his own will''.)]]


* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Vegeta gets this treatment after the Frieza Saga. Aside from Goku and Bulma, not one of the other Z-Fighters can stand him and have no qualms against informing him as such to his face, not that he really gives a shit what they think. Case in point: after Vegeta is [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]] by Perfect Cell, Krillin tells him point-blank that he's ''only'' helping him for Trunks' sake and wouldn't care one bit if Vegeta ''did'' die. It's justified; even if he was technically on their side, Vegeta was still a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] {{Jerkass}}, and their TokenEvilTeammate. He didn't pull an actual HeelFaceTurn until the end of the Buu Saga.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': Vegeta gets this treatment after the Frieza Saga. Aside from Goku and Bulma, not one of the other Z-Fighters can stand him and have no qualms against informing him as such to his face, not that he really gives a shit damn what they think. Case in point: after Vegeta is [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]] by Perfect Cell, Krillin tells him point-blank that he's ''only'' helping him for Trunks' sake and wouldn't care one bit if Vegeta ''did'' die. It's justified; even if he was technically on their side, Vegeta was still a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] {{Jerkass}}, and their TokenEvilTeammate. He didn't pull an actual HeelFaceTurn until the end of the Buu Saga.



** From the point of view of his fans, good ol' Spike certainly qualifies. Even after his attempts at redemption, he is almost never really trusted by the Scoobies, who continually hound him with abuse and scorn. On the other hand, 120 years of him killing for fun. Plus, when he was originally forced to beg for their help, he spent a lot of time telling them how much he hated them and how he was going to kill them all, first chance he got. The abuse and scorn wasn't exactly one-sided. Even when he started trying to be what Buffy wanted, some of his attempts were... off, and the gang knew quite well that he was motivated by feelings for Buffy rather than a genuine desire for redemption. There's a difference. Even if he was planning not to repeat his past evil actions, he didn't actually feel remorse for them. Speaking pre-Season Seven.

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** From the point of view of his fans, good ol' Spike certainly qualifies. Even after his attempts at redemption, he Spike is almost never really trusted by the Scoobies, who continually hound him with abuse and scorn. On the other hand, 120 years of him killing for fun. Plus, when fun.
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he was originally forced to beg for their help, he spent a lot of time telling them how much he hated them and how he was going to kill them all, first chance he got. The abuse and scorn wasn't weren't exactly one-sided. Even when he started trying to be what Buffy wanted, some of his attempts were... off, and the gang knew quite well that he was motivated by feelings for Buffy rather than a genuine desire for redemption. There's a difference. Even if he was planning not to repeat his past evil actions, he didn't actually feel remorse for them. Speaking pre-Season Seven.them.
*** Even after Spike gets his soul, Xander remains wary of him (the years of antagonism between the two of them not going away that simply) while Giles spends a good amount of Season 7 dismissive of his capacity for change and instead criticizes Buffy for leaning so closely on Spike as an ally. It gets to the point where Giles, worried about the consequences of the First Evil's brainwashing effect on Spike (and annoyed that Buffy removed the chip in Spike's head after it started malfunctioning instead of installing a new one), decided to help Robin Wood in his attempt to kill Spike rather than trust that the vampire had the capacity to overcome the trigger.

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* In ''Literature/ThisIsNotAWerewolfStory,'' [[spoiler:Vincent]], due to both misunderstandings and petty revenge, betrays Raul to the villain and gets him {{Shapeshifter Mode Lock}}ed; it's a couple of months before his guilt finally becomes so overwhelming that he confesses and helps Raul get back to normal. Raul admits that he ''wants'' to forgive him but finds it hard, as he still has nightmares about the experience.


* At the end of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls2013'', BigBad Sunset Shimmer [[HeelFaceTurn sees the error of her ways]] thanks to the Elements of Harmony, and tries to become a better person. The sequel, ''[[Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'', has the character attempting to escape this trope, as even those who don't constantly give her {{death glare}}s and verbal jabs behave passive-aggressively towards her, including her new friends. [[BigBad The Dazzlings]] take ''a lot'' of pleasure in [[KickTheDog rubbing it in her face]] about how she's treated. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She fights through her guilt and self-doubt]] to play a key role in saving the day, gaining the school's trust and acceptance]].]]
** Following ''Equestria Girls'' works will have the character as ForgivenButNotForgotten, with the topic remaining a touchy subject and one special even having the villain's motive be that she thinks Sunset was EasilyForgiven.

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* At the end of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls2013'', BigBad Sunset Shimmer [[HeelFaceTurn sees the error of her ways]] thanks to the Elements of Harmony, and tries to become a better person. The sequel, ''[[Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'', has the character attempting to escape this trope, as even those who don't constantly give her {{death glare}}s and verbal jabs behave passive-aggressively towards her, including her new friends. [[BigBad The Dazzlings]] take ''a lot'' of pleasure in [[KickTheDog rubbing it in her face]] about how she's treated. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She fights through her guilt and self-doubt]] to play a key role in saving the day, gaining the school's trust and acceptance]].]]
acceptance]].
** Following ''Equestria Girls'' works will have the character as ForgivenButNotForgotten, with the topic of Sunset's pre-HeelFaceTurn actions still remaining a touchy subject for a while, and one special even having the villain's motive be that she thinks Sunset was EasilyForgiven.


* At the end of ''Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'', BigBad Sunset Shimmer [[HeelFaceTurn sees the error of her ways]] thanks to the Elements of Harmony, and tries to become a better person. The sequel, ''[[Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'', has the character attempting to escape this trope, as even those who don't constantly give her [[DeathGlare nasty looks]] and verbal jabs behave passive-aggressively towards her, including her new friends. [[BigBad The Dazzlings]] take ''a lot'' of pleasure in [[KickTheDog rubbing it in her face]] about how she's treated. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She fights through her guilt and self-doubt to play a key role in saving the day, gaining the school's trust and acceptance]].]]
** This turns into a case of ForgivenButNotForgotten, because the topic remains a touchy subject when it's referenced in further sequels.

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* At the end of ''Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'', ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls2013'', BigBad Sunset Shimmer [[HeelFaceTurn sees the error of her ways]] thanks to the Elements of Harmony, and tries to become a better person. The sequel, ''[[Westernanimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'', has the character attempting to escape this trope, as even those who don't constantly give her [[DeathGlare nasty looks]] {{death glare}}s and verbal jabs behave passive-aggressively towards her, including her new friends. [[BigBad The Dazzlings]] take ''a lot'' of pleasure in [[KickTheDog rubbing it in her face]] about how she's treated. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She fights through her guilt and self-doubt self-doubt]] to play a key role in saving the day, gaining the school's trust and acceptance]].]]
** This turns into a case of Following ''Equestria Girls'' works will have the character as ForgivenButNotForgotten, because with the topic remains remaining a touchy subject when it's referenced in further sequels.and one special even having the villain's motive be that she thinks Sunset was EasilyForgiven.


** Later in the same series, this scenario is repeated almost verbatim with a repentant (though hopelessly tongue-tied) Zuko. Eventually, he comes to them peacefully, even going so far as to kneel before them in surrender, Katara still attacks him and chases him off, suspicious due to ''[[TheFarmerAndTheViper his earlier vulnerable moment]]''. Later, thanks in part again to Toph's truth-telling abilities (though hampered when he accidentally attacks her), he is able to win grudging acceptance. Katara remains unconvinced and swears to dog his footsteps and take bloody vengeance if he screws up even slightly. A few episodes later, she does end up forgiving him.

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** Later in the same series, this scenario is repeated almost verbatim with a repentant (though hopelessly tongue-tied) Zuko. Eventually, he comes to them peacefully, even going so far as to kneel before them in surrender, Katara still attacks him and chases him off, suspicious due to ''[[TheFarmerAndTheViper his earlier vulnerable moment]]''. Later, thanks in part again to Toph's truth-telling abilities (though hampered when he accidentally attacks her), he is able to win grudging acceptance. Katara remains unconvinced and swears to dog his footsteps watch him closely and take bloody vengeance if he screws up even slightly. A few episodes later, she does end up forgiving him.


** After having been the BigBad for the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E1MareInTheMoon first two]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony episodes]], a reformed version of Nightmare Moon (now Princess Luna), shows up on [[AllHallowsEve Nightmare Night]] in the second season's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E4LunaEclipsed "Luna Eclipsed"]]. Seeing how the day she appeared on was all about ponies fearing her old, evil persona, her arrival on a black chariot, and her [[VoiceOfTheLegion booming, boisterous, echoing voice]] that she insists all princesses must speak in for their subjects to listen to them speaking in SpockSpeak and RoyalWe, everypony is too frightened to even give her a chance. (The way [[PhysicalGod her mood warps weather and her hooves can crack the earth]] don't help either.) Of course, [[spoiler:this is because they LIKE being scared. They haven't seen her ever since her attempt to make eternal night, but at the very least word got out she was reformed. They just figured she knew about the holiday and was having fun with it, and presumably future appearances of Luna will have her treated like royalty.]]
** [[MadGod Discord]], the BigBad of the season 2 premiere, is "reformed" by Fluttershy in mid-season-3, yet he spends most of season 4 trying to get everyone else to stop giving him the cold shoulder (especially since his aloof, callous attitude really doesn't help his case).
** Despite turning over a new leaf at the end of [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E5MagicDuel "Magic Duel"]], [[MilesGloriosus Trixie]] notices that other ponies still avoid her and whisper about her past deeds behind her back. It also turns out that Twilight wasn't quite as forgiving to Trixie as she originally let on, though as she states when called out on it, this has more to do with the fact that Trixie ''still'' kinda acts like a smug jerk towards her.

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** After having been the BigBad for the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E1MareInTheMoon first two]] series]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony episodes]], premiere]], a reformed version of Nightmare Moon (now going by her original persona of Princess Luna), shows up on [[AllHallowsEve Nightmare Night]] in the second season's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E4LunaEclipsed "Luna Eclipsed"]]. Seeing how the day she appeared on was all about ponies fearing her old, evil persona, her arrival on a black chariot, and her [[VoiceOfTheLegion booming, boisterous, echoing voice]] that she insists all princesses must speak in for their subjects to listen to them speaking in them, and her use of SpockSpeak and RoyalWe, has everypony is too frightened to even give her a chance. (The way [[PhysicalGod her mood warps weather and her hooves can crack the earth]] don't weather]] doesn't help either.) Of course, [[spoiler:this is because they LIKE being scared. They haven't seen her ever since her attempt to make eternal night, but at either). Subverted in that the very least word got out she was reformed. end of the episode reveals that [[spoiler: every one knows that she's reformed and do fully accept her. They just figured she knew about the holiday and was having fun with it, and presumably future appearances of Luna will have leading her treated like royalty.]]
join the festivities with gusto]].
** [[MadGod Discord]], the BigBad of the season 2 premiere, is "reformed" reformed by Fluttershy in mid-season-3, yet he spends most the following season, but she's the only person that gives him an honest shot, leading to a RedemptionFailure at the end of season 4 trying to get everyone else to stop giving him fourwhere he joins up with that episode's villain. Ironically, it's the cold shoulder (especially since his aloof, callous attitude really doesn't help his case).
aftermath of ''this'' that finally makes the others accept him.
** Despite turning over a new leaf at the end of [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E5MagicDuel "Magic Duel"]], [[MilesGloriosus Trixie]] notices that other ponies still avoid her and whisper about her past deeds behind her back. It also turns out that Twilight wasn't quite as forgiving to Trixie as she originally let on, though as she states when called out on it, she claims this has is more to do with the fact that Trixie ''still'' kinda acts like a smug jerk towards her.


* Possible example, as the plot hasn't finished: ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'' has Dirk, a JerkAss JerkJock [[TestosteronePoisoning Testosterone-poisoned]] DomesticAbuser who was arrested after beating his girlfriend Toni and now works as a garbage man, [[ContrivedCoincidence coincidentally]] on the same block as his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend Brad (the title character's older brother). He claims he's found Jesus in jail and he'll be leaving, never to return (Brad thinks he's dying; readers think he might be joining the priesthood or simply changing shifts or moving). Toni's response is to threaten him with a creepy phone call he made and Brad has Luanne's classmate pretend Toni moved. Dirk is not convinced but doesn't retaliate; he even rescues Brad's mom after a bookshelf falls on her, causing Brad's parents to refer to him as a "creepy, evil superhero".

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* Possible example, as the plot hasn't finished: ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}'' has Dirk, a JerkAss JerkJock [[TestosteronePoisoning Testosterone-poisoned]] DomesticAbuser {{Domestic Abuse}}r who was arrested after beating his girlfriend Toni and now works as a garbage man, [[ContrivedCoincidence coincidentally]] on the same block as his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend Brad (the title character's older brother). He claims he's found Jesus in jail and he'll be leaving, never to return (Brad thinks he's dying; readers think he might be joining the priesthood or simply changing shifts or moving). Toni's response is to threaten him with a creepy phone call he made and Brad has Luanne's classmate pretend Toni moved. Dirk is not convinced but doesn't retaliate; he even rescues Brad's mom after a bookshelf falls on her, causing Brad's parents to refer to him as a "creepy, evil superhero".

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* In ''Fanfic/APrizeForThreeEmpires'', the Franchise/XMen reluctantly agree to give just-reformed villain ComicBook/{{Rogue}} a chance, but ComicBook/CarolDanvers refuses to. It took a long while for Carol to accept Rogue wasn't the same person who ruined her life, and even so Carol knew they would never be close.
* Jara from ''Fanfic/KaraOfRokyn'' was an abusive jerkass who beat up and humiliated [[ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} Kara]] because the young heroine wouldn't sleep with her. Eventually Jara loses a wrestling match to Kara and decides to turn over a new leaf and become a better person. She is forgiven by her ex-rival but not by her family and friends, who don't want her anywhere near from Kara.

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* ''ComicBook/WonderWomanRebirth'': While Diana and Etta forgive Barbara for her time as ComicBook/{{Cheetah}}, [[spoiler:ComicBook/SteveTrevor]] doesn't.

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