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** Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.

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** Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, [[Film/SonysUniverseOfMarvelCharacters Sony's attempts to take Spider-verse characters and put them in in]] {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.

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See RunningTheAsylum, when other creators are considered [[WickedStepmother evil step-parents]].

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* Creator/JossWhedon was largely absent from season six of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', as he was working on ''Series/{{Firefly}}''. The result was a season that was disliked by a lot of fans, with the exception of the beloved "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E7OnceMoreWithFeeling Once More With Feeling]]", which, funnily enough, was Joss' sole contribution to that season.


* ''VideoGame/SlyCooperThievesInTime'' was developed by Creator/SanzaruGames instead of Sucker Punch. While the game was initially praised for being faithful to [[Franchise/SlyCooper the original trilogy]], it was eventually panned by fans and critics alike for [[spoiler:Penelope's nonsensical SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome]] and having a DownerEnding that the creators [[LeftHanging won't resolve with a sequel]]. Most fans have since shunned Sanzaru and [[FanonDiscontinuity disowned the game]], and it quickly became a well-known case of {{Sequelitis}}.

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* ''VideoGame/SlyCooperThievesInTime'' was developed by Creator/SanzaruGames instead of Sucker Punch. While the game was initially praised for being faithful to [[Franchise/SlyCooper [[VideoGame/SlyCooper the original trilogy]], it was eventually panned by fans and critics alike for [[spoiler:Penelope's nonsensical SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome]] and having a DownerEnding that the creators [[LeftHanging won't resolve with a sequel]]. Most fans have since shunned Sanzaru and [[FanonDiscontinuity disowned the game]], and it quickly became a well-known case of {{Sequelitis}}.


* Creator/RobertJordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunner volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[AuthorExistenceFailure passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet [=McDougal=] did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...

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* Creator/RobertJordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunner volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[AuthorExistenceFailure passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet [=McDougal=] did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness wordiness, languid pace and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...


* Creator/Robert Jordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunner volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[AuthorExistenceFailure passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet [=McDougal=] did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...

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* Creator/Robert Jordan Creator/RobertJordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunner volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[AuthorExistenceFailure passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet [=McDougal=] did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...


* Creator/Robert Jordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunner volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[AuthorExistenceFailure passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet McDougal did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...

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* Creator/Robert Jordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunner volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[AuthorExistenceFailure passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet McDougal [=McDougal=] did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...

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* Creator/Robert Jordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunner volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[AuthorExistenceFailure passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet McDougal did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...


* After Creator/MontyOum death, some fans of ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' felt that Creator/RoosterTeeth hasn't done a good job continuing the series, usually citing the fight scenes not having Monty's unique flair and believing the story isn't moving in the direction he would have wanted.

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* After Creator/MontyOum Creator/MontyOum's death, some fans of ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' felt that Creator/RoosterTeeth hasn't done a good job continuing the series, usually citing the fight scenes not having Monty's unique flair and believing the story isn't moving in the direction he would have wanted.


* The general consensus among fans of ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' is that the show's quality dipped after Stephen Hillenburg left the series following ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobSquarePantsMovie''. Season 4 is considered to be the start of the SeasonalRot, but it has enough good episodes that some will include it with seasons 1-3 as the Golden Age of [=SpongeBob=]. Season 5 has fewer defenders than Season 4 and seasons 6-8 are almost universally detested for producing some of the most unfunny, crude and NauseaFuel episodes ever in a kid's show. Hillenburg returned for seasons 9-11 and many agree that the quality started to go up again (though still paling in comparison to the first three seasons) but Hillenburg passed away in 2018, so it's likely that this trope will come into play again.

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* The general consensus among fans of ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' is that the show's quality dipped after Stephen Hillenburg left the series following ''WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobSquarePantsMovie''. Season 4 is considered to be the start of the SeasonalRot, but it has enough good episodes that some will include it with seasons 1-3 as the Golden Age of [=SpongeBob=]. Season 5 has fewer defenders than Season 4 and seasons 6-8 are almost universally detested for producing some of the most unfunny, crude and NauseaFuel episodes ever in a kid's show. Hillenburg returned for seasons 9-11 and many agree that the quality started to go up again (though still paling in comparison to the first three seasons) but Hillenburg passed away of ALS in November 2018, so it's likely that this trope will come into play again.


** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least the directors listed above) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around. Fox has also begun making some darker entries in the series such as ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which have been critically acclaimed but just wouldn't tonally fit within the MCU.
** Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered some from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although new take was well-received but Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, Sony's attempts to take Spiderverse characters and put them in {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting mixed response and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.
** In the case of ''Daredevil'', its MCU revival as a [[Series/{{Daredevil|2015}} Netflix TV series]] was received much better than [[Film/{{Daredevil}} the Fox movie]], reinforcing the view. The same goes for Season Two's reinvention of the Punisher, with Jon Bernthal's portrayal receiving high praise when [[Film/ThePunisher1989 previous]] [[Film/ThePunisher2004 incarnations]] [[Film/PunisherWarZone failed]]; even earning him [[Series/ThePunisher2017 his own spinoff show]]. Elektra Natchios, also added in season 2, didn't quite the same universal praise as the Punisher, but still was a much better response than [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own movie]] got.
** Averted by ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}''. Not only was it successful without Marvel's involvement, but there are fears that Deadpool being part of the MCU would require a tonal shift away from what helped ''make'' his movie a success - it's filled to the brim with profanity, gore, sex jokes, and BlackComedy; having too much adult content for a family-friendly franchise and being too wacky for the MCU's serious, mature-audiences Netflix arm.

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** There are mixed opinions regarding this when it comes to the ''X-Men'' films. On the one hand, Marvel has done well with the MCU and having the X-Men film rights would open them up to crossovers that both sides could benefit from. On the other hand, some feel that Fox (or at least the directors listed above) hasn't done badly with their X-Men films, and that the franchise's "oppressed minority" metaphor works better when there aren't a bunch of other superhumans running around. Fox has also begun making some darker entries in the series such as ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which have been critically acclaimed but just wouldn't tonally fit within the MCU.
MCU. Following the acquisition of Fox by Disney, debates have sprung up about how much creative involvement should be given to the people who worked on the X-Men films at Fox.
** Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered some from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU. Although the new take was well-received but well-received, Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, Sony's attempts to take Spiderverse Spider-verse characters and put them in {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting mixed a mixed-to-negative response for its SoBadItsGood nature and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.
** In the case of ''Daredevil'', its MCU revival as a [[Series/{{Daredevil|2015}} Netflix TV series]] was received much better than [[Film/{{Daredevil}} the Fox movie]], reinforcing the view. The same goes for Season Two's reinvention of the Punisher, with Jon Bernthal's portrayal receiving high praise when [[Film/ThePunisher1989 previous]] [[Film/ThePunisher2004 incarnations]] [[Film/PunisherWarZone failed]]; failed]], even earning him [[Series/ThePunisher2017 his own spinoff show]]. Elektra Natchios, also added in season 2, didn't quite the same universal praise as the Punisher, but still was a much better response than [[Film/{{Elektra}} her own movie]] got.
** Averted by ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}''. Not only was it successful without Marvel's involvement, but there are fears that Deadpool being part of the MCU (which is especially likely due to Disney's acquisition of Fox) would require a tonal shift away from what helped ''make'' his movie a success - it's filled to the brim with profanity, gore, sex jokes, and BlackComedy; having too much adult content for a family-friendly franchise and being too wacky for the MCU's serious, mature-audiences Netflix arm. arm.



** The one franchise that almost everyone agrees would be better back at Marvel is ''Fantastic Four'', as [[Film/FantasticFour2005 the 2005 film and its sequel]] were below-average and [[Film/FantasticFour2015 the 2015 reboot]] [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright.]]

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** The one franchise that almost everyone agrees would be better back at Marvel is ''Fantastic Four'', as [[Film/FantasticFour2005 the 2005 film and its sequel]] were below-average and [[Film/FantasticFour2015 the 2015 reboot]] [[BoxOfficeBomb bombed outright.]]


** This was a common sentiment when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from ''Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3''. Gunn's irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the Z-list Guardians into household names. Internally, a number of Marvel directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused to take over the film as director. Subsequently, Gunn was rehired as many the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.

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** This was a common sentiment when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from ''Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3''. Gunn's irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the Z-list Guardians into household names. Internally, a number of Marvel directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused to take over the film as director. Subsequently, Gunn was rehired as many the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.

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** ''VideoGame/MightyNo9'' (a SpiritualSuccessor helmed by Keiji Inafune) and ''Mega Man 11'' (created in-house at Capcom) provide an inversion: The heavily TroubledProduction of ''Mighty No. 9'' led to it releasing in a state that is widely considered a [[SoOkayItsAverage mediocre disappointment]], whereas ''Mega Man 11'' released to considerably more favorable reviews and is generally thought of as the boost the series needed to reenter the spotlight after its eight-year hiatus. The failure of ''Mighty'' also resulted in many of Inafune's contributions to the ''Mega Man'' series being reevaluated after the fact, with a lot of his claims to fame at Capcom discovered to be either overblown or not as important as once thought (as Creator/HidekiKamiya once pointed out on his Twitter, Inafune didn't actually design Mega Man himself--he was only an illustrator when the first game was in development--so his title as "the father of ''Mega Man''" is slightly exaggerated.)


** Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered some from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU; the new take was well-received but Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, Sony's attempts to take Spiderverse characters and put them in {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting mixed response and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.

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** Zigzagged with the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise. [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy The original trilogy]] predates the MCU, and the first two films are well-regarded, while the third is divisive. [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries The following reboot duology]] suffered some from being a FranchiseZombie, and ''both'' cases had ExecutiveMeddling to blame for most of their problems. Sony then struck a deal to [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming reboot Spider-Man again with Marvel co-producing]], integrating the character into the MCU; the MCU. Although new take was well-received but Marvel has stated they can't take all the credit, as some of the praised elements came from Sony's side of the collaboration. On the other hand, Sony's attempts to take Spiderverse characters and put them in {{Divorced Installment}}s has been all over the board, with ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' getting mixed response and ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' receiving unanimous praise.



** Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3: A common sentiment after Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from the project was that it would be a ToughActToFollow for any director to handle this film, given Gunn's distinct take on the characters and their franchise. Internally, a number of Marvel directors, such as Creator/TaikaWaititi, were so supportive of Gunn that they refused any opportunity to work on the film. Both of these factors likely played a role in the studio's decision to rehire Gunn months later.

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** Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3: A This was a common sentiment after when Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from the project was that it would be a ToughActToFollow for any director to handle this film, given ''Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3''. Gunn's distinct take on irreverent {{bathos}}-flavored directorial style was responsible for turning the characters and their franchise. Z-list Guardians into household names. Internally, a number of Marvel directors, such as Creator/TaikaWaititi, directors like Creator/TaikaWaititi were so supportive of Gunn that they refused any opportunity to work on take over the film. Both of these factors likely played a role in the studio's decision to rehire film as director. Subsequently, Gunn months later.was rehired as many the executives at Marvel and Disney couldn't find a replacement director who could do the franchise justice.


** Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3: A common sentiment after Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from the project was that it would be a ToughActToFollow for any director to handle this film, given Gunn's distinct take on the characters and their franchise. Internally, a number of Marvel directors, such as Creator/TaikaWaititi, were so supportive of Gunn that they refused any opportunity to work on the film. Both of these factors likely played a role in the studio's decision to rehire Gunn months later.

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** Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3: Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3: A common sentiment after Creator/JamesGunn was suspended from the project was that it would be a ToughActToFollow for any director to handle this film, given Gunn's distinct take on the characters and their franchise. Internally, a number of Marvel directors, such as Creator/TaikaWaititi, were so supportive of Gunn that they refused any opportunity to work on the film. Both of these factors likely played a role in the studio's decision to rehire Gunn months later.

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