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* ''Grunge'' is a very loosely defined term that was thrown around a lot in the 90's to describe basically every alternative rock band under the sun, as a result, the term is frequently applied to rock bands as light and radio accessible as Music/PearlJam, Music/StoneTemplePilots and Music/TheSmashingPumpkins, to bands that borderline into other heavier genres such as StonerRock, HardcorePunk, DoomMetal, NoiseRock or even SludgeMetal -- such as Music/{{Melvins}} and Music/{{Tad}}, while some bands tend to toe the line between the two, usually appealing to the masses with lighter radio tunes as singles, and then appealing to their more devoted fans in their back catalogue; most notably Music/AliceInChains (contrast ''Rooster'', ''Down In A Hole'' and practically anything on the ''Jar of Flies EP'' to the aptly titled ''Sludge Factory'', ''Grind'', ''Dam That River'' and ''Stone''), Music/{{Soundgarden}} (''Black Hole Sun'', ''Rusty Cage'' and ''Fell On Black Days'' in comparison to their Sabbath-influenced ''Fourth of July'', ''Room A Thousand Years Wide'' and ''Birth Ritual'') and Music/{{Nirvana}} (''Lithium'', ''Polly'', ''All Apologies'', etc -- with ''Paper Cuts'', ''Tourettes'', ''Endless, Nameless'' and almost everything on their ''"Bleach"'' album.

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* ''Grunge'' is a very loosely defined term that was thrown around a lot in the 90's to describe basically every alternative rock band under the sun, as a result, the term is frequently applied to rock bands as light and radio accessible as Music/PearlJam, Music/StoneTemplePilots and Music/TheSmashingPumpkins, to bands that borderline into other heavier genres such as StonerRock, HardcorePunk, DoomMetal, NoiseRock or even SludgeMetal -- such as Music/{{Melvins}} and Music/{{Tad}}, while some bands tend to toe the line between the two, usually appealing to the masses with lighter radio tunes as singles, and then appealing to their more devoted fans in their back catalogue; most notably Music/AliceInChains (contrast ''Rooster'', ''Down In A Hole'' and practically anything on the ''Jar of Flies EP'' to the aptly titled ''Sludge Factory'', ''Grind'', ''Dam That River'' and ''Stone''), Music/{{Soundgarden}} (''Black Hole Sun'', ''Rusty Cage'' and ''Fell On Black Days'' in comparison to their Sabbath-influenced ''Fourth of July'', ''Room A Thousand Years Wide'' and ''Birth Ritual'') and Music/{{Nirvana}} (''Lithium'', ''Polly'', ''All Apologies'', etc -- with ''Paper Cuts'', ''Tourettes'', ''Endless, Nameless'' and almost everything on their ''"Bleach"'' album.album).


* As time goes on, those rock/metal bands at the top of this chart go to increasingly insane lengths to top one another or themselves, which causes the chart to compress itself to accommodate the new hardness. So a 6 now could be a 4 or 5 ten years from now, an 11 may become a 10, a 1 may disappear altogether, and so on.[[note]]However, it can also be argued that, contrasting with three or more previous decades of rapid escalation, the scale itself is rather stable since at least the mid-90's and the establishment of the second-wave black metal, brutal death and grindcore subgenres. While some new subgenres did appear since, they usually weren't at the very upper end of the scale, and they didn't significantly redefine the scale.[[/note]]

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* As time goes on, those rock/metal bands at the top of this chart go to increasingly insane lengths to top one another or themselves, which causes the chart to compress itself to accommodate the new hardness. So a 6 now could be a 4 or 5 ten years from now, an 11 may become a 10, a 1 may disappear altogether, and so on.[[note]]However, it can also be argued that, contrasting with three or more previous decades of rapid escalation, the scale itself is rather stable since at least the mid-90's and the establishment of the second-wave black metal, brutal death and grindcore subgenres. While some new subgenres did appear since, they usually weren't didn't appear at the very upper end of the scale, and they didn't significantly redefine the scale.[[/note]]


* As time goes on, those rock/metal bands at the top of this chart go to increasingly insane lengths to top one another or themselves, which causes the chart to compress itself to accommodate the new hardness. So a 6 now could be a 4 or 5 ten years from now, an 11 may become a 10, a 1 may disappear altogether, and so on.[[note]]However, it can also be argued that, contrasting with two-three previous decades of rapid escalation, the scale itself is rather stable since at least the mid-90's and the establishment of the second-wave black metal, brutal death and grindcore subgenres. While some new subgenres did appear since, they usually weren't at the very upper end of the scale, and they didn't significantly redefine the scale.[[/note]]

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* As time goes on, those rock/metal bands at the top of this chart go to increasingly insane lengths to top one another or themselves, which causes the chart to compress itself to accommodate the new hardness. So a 6 now could be a 4 or 5 ten years from now, an 11 may become a 10, a 1 may disappear altogether, and so on.[[note]]However, it can also be argued that, contrasting with two-three three or more previous decades of rapid escalation, the scale itself is rather stable since at least the mid-90's and the establishment of the second-wave black metal, brutal death and grindcore subgenres. While some new subgenres did appear since, they usually weren't at the very upper end of the scale, and they didn't significantly redefine the scale.[[/note]]


* As time goes on, those rock/metal bands at the top of this chart go to increasingly insane lengths to top one another or themselves, which causes the chart to compress itself to accommodate the new hardness. So a 6 now could be a 4 or 5 ten years from now, an 11 may become a 10, a 1 may disappear altogether, and so on.

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* As time goes on, those rock/metal bands at the top of this chart go to increasingly insane lengths to top one another or themselves, which causes the chart to compress itself to accommodate the new hardness. So a 6 now could be a 4 or 5 ten years from now, an 11 may become a 10, a 1 may disappear altogether, and so on.[[note]]However, it can also be argued that, contrasting with two-three previous decades of rapid escalation, the scale itself is rather stable since at least the mid-90's and the establishment of the second-wave black metal, brutal death and grindcore subgenres. While some new subgenres did appear since, they usually weren't at the very upper end of the scale, and they didn't significantly redefine the scale.[[/note]]


** Likewise, the term ''sludge'' has been loosely used to describe progressive and post-metal bands like Music/{{Neurosis}}, Music/{{Mastodon}}, Baroness, and Isis which may sit at an 8, to bands like Music/{{Eyehategod}}, Meth Drinker, Toadliquor, Grief, Bottom Feeder, and Open Tomb which sit pretty comfortably in the 10 realm due to their absolutely crushing bass and riffs, raw production values, and a typically abrasive and disgusting vocal style -- bands at this heavier end also tend to share similar elements with crust, grindcore and powerviolence due to the genre's overall punk influences, meaning it's quite common for bands such as Primitive Man and Pale Mare to even cross into 11.

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** Likewise, the term ''sludge'' has been loosely used to describe progressive and post-metal bands like Music/{{Neurosis}}, Music/{{Mastodon}}, Baroness, and Isis which may sit at an 8, to bands like Music/{{Eyehategod}}, Meth Drinker, Toadliquor, Grief, Bottom Feeder, and Open Tomb which sit pretty comfortably in the 10 realm due to their absolutely crushing bass and riffs, raw production values, and a typically abrasive and disgusting vocal style -- bands at this heavier end also tend to share similar elements with crust, grindcore and powerviolence due to the genre's overall punk influences, influences ''combined with'' heavier doom elements, meaning it's quite common for newer bands such as Primitive Man Man, Couch Slut and Pale Mare to even ditch the elder's groovy southern influence and cross into 11.11 territory.


* Likewise, the term ''sludge'' has been used to describe progressive and post-metal bands like Neurosis, Mastodon, Baroness and ISIS which may sit at an 8, to bands like Music/Eyehategod, Meth Drinker, Toadliquor, Grief, Bottom Feeder, and Open Tomb which sit pretty comfortably in the 10 realm due to their absolutely crushing bass and riffs, raw production values, and a typically very abrasive and disgusting vocal style -- bands at this heavier end also tend to share similar elements with crust, grindcore and powerviolence due to the genre's overall punk influences, meaning quite a few newer bands at the extreme-end such as Primitive Man and Pale Mare can even cross into 11.

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* ** Likewise, the term ''sludge'' has been loosely used to describe progressive and post-metal bands like Neurosis, Mastodon, Baroness Music/{{Neurosis}}, Music/{{Mastodon}}, Baroness, and ISIS Isis which may sit at an 8, to bands like Music/Eyehategod, Music/{{Eyehategod}}, Meth Drinker, Toadliquor, Grief, Bottom Feeder, and Open Tomb which sit pretty comfortably in the 10 realm due to their absolutely crushing bass and riffs, raw production values, and a typically very abrasive and disgusting vocal style -- bands at this heavier end also tend to share similar elements with crust, grindcore and powerviolence due to the genre's overall punk influences, meaning it's quite a few newer common for bands at the extreme-end such as Primitive Man and Pale Mare can to even cross into 11.


# Lighter DeathMetal (especially MelodicDeathMetal) or harder ThrashMetal. Most experimental metal groups creep up to this level as well. You'll also find a lot of the less abrasive 'true' BlackMetal here. To the uninitiated, songs at this level and beyond could be NightmareFuel in musical form. Here is about where you start to get singers [[HarshVocals growling]] or [[MetalScream screaming]] for most of the song; this is also probably the highest level that can be attained with clean singing as the main vocal style. Lyrics may be very violent or just generally extremely dark. This is the last zone where you are likely to find hardcore punk that doesn't have a substantial metal or noise infusion. {{Metalcore}} continues to be found here, as well as the lighter end of {{deathcore}}. This is also pure HardcorePunk[='=]s absolute peak of hardness in the scale. Most viking/folk metal that has a significant infusion of BlackMetal or DeathMetal falls here. A lot of the heavier side of GrooveMetal is found here. ProgressiveMetal at this level often incorporates extreme metal elements. PowerMetal can be found here, but it almost always involves crossover with other genres at this point (see Music/ScarSymmetry and Music/ChildrenOfBodom for examples). This is the home level of the three big melodeath bands (Music/InFlames, Music/AtTheGates and Music/DarkTranquillity) before they changed styles, as well as Music/AmonAmarth and later Music/FleshgodApocalypse. Similarly, of the big four of thrash, this was Slayer's playing field most of the time[[note]]Although at their time they would've been the prime level 10 example.[[/note]]. In regards to Industrial, however, this is the home level for some EBM/Electronic Body Music[[note]]See Combichrist and Auto Aggression's examples at this level.[[/note]].

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# Lighter DeathMetal (especially MelodicDeathMetal) or harder ThrashMetal. Most experimental metal groups creep up to this level as well. You'll also find a lot of the less abrasive 'true' BlackMetal here. To the uninitiated, songs at this level and beyond could be NightmareFuel in musical form. Here is about where you start to get singers [[HarshVocals growling]] or [[MetalScream screaming]] for most of the song; this is also probably the highest level that can be attained with clean singing as the main vocal style. Lyrics may be very violent or just generally extremely dark. This is the last zone where you are likely to find hardcore punk that doesn't have a substantial metal or noise infusion. {{Metalcore}} continues to be found here, as well as the lighter end of {{deathcore}}. This is also pure HardcorePunk[='=]s absolute peak of hardness in the scale. Most viking/folk metal that has a significant infusion of BlackMetal or DeathMetal falls here. A lot of the heavier side of GrooveMetal is found here.here, and this is the absolute dropping off point of a very select few {{Grunge}} bands. ProgressiveMetal at this level often incorporates extreme metal elements. PowerMetal can be found here, but it almost always involves crossover with other genres at this point (see Music/ScarSymmetry and Music/ChildrenOfBodom for examples). This is the home level of the three big melodeath bands (Music/InFlames, Music/AtTheGates and Music/DarkTranquillity) before they changed styles, as well as Music/AmonAmarth and later Music/FleshgodApocalypse. Similarly, of the big four of thrash, this was Slayer's playing field most of the time[[note]]Although at their time they would've been the prime level 10 example.[[/note]]. In regards to Industrial, however, this is the home level for some EBM/Electronic Body Music[[note]]See Combichrist and Auto Aggression's examples at this level.[[/note]].



# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]]. Noise Rock at this level is virtually indistinguishable from HarshNoise. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become annoying to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.

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# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]].[[/note]], as well as the absolute filthiest of [[Main/DoomMetal sludge]]. Noise Rock at this level is virtually indistinguishable from HarshNoise. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become annoying to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.


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* Likewise, the term ''sludge'' has been used to describe progressive and post-metal bands like Neurosis, Mastodon, Baroness and ISIS which may sit at an 8, to bands like Music/Eyehategod, Meth Drinker, Toadliquor, Grief, Bottom Feeder, and Open Tomb which sit pretty comfortably in the 10 realm due to their absolutely crushing bass and riffs, raw production values, and a typically very abrasive and disgusting vocal style -- bands at this heavier end also tend to share similar elements with crust, grindcore and powerviolence due to the genre's overall punk influences, meaning quite a few newer bands at the extreme-end such as Primitive Man and Pale Mare can even cross into 11.


* In general, a band will have songs that are higher or lower on the scale than their usual level, hence why websites like Wikipedia put some bands and/or albums as both rock and metal. (Compare [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlVdPl-oEmg "Tourette's"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSYplu_3fA "Polly"]], both by {{Music/Nirvana}}.) It's easier to just judge each song by itself. You also have bands that [[NewSoundAlbum change their style]], often becoming [[DarkerAndEdgier heavier]], [[LighterAndSofter softer]], or becoming a genre that's [[GenreBusting much harder to classify altogether]].

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* In general, a band will have songs that are higher or lower on the scale than their usual level, hence why websites like Wikipedia put some bands and/or albums as both rock and metal. (Compare [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlVdPl-oEmg "Tourette's"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSYplu_3fA "Polly"]], both by {{Music/Nirvana}}.Music/{{Nirvana}}.) It's easier to just judge each song by itself. You also have bands that [[NewSoundAlbum change their style]], often becoming [[DarkerAndEdgier heavier]], [[LighterAndSofter softer]], or becoming a genre that's [[GenreBusting much harder to classify altogether]].



* ''Grunge'' is a very loosely defined term that was thrown around a lot in the 90's to describe basically every alternative rock band under the sun, as a result, the term is frequently applied to rock bands as light and radio accessible as Music/PearlJam, Music/StoneTemplePilots and Music/TheSmashingPumpkins, to bands that borderline into other heavier genres such as StonerRock, HardcorePunk, DoomMetal, NoiseRock or even SludgeMetal -- such as Music/{{Melvins}} and Music/{{Tad}}, while some bands tend to toe the line between the two, usually appealing to the masses with lighter radio tunes as singles, and then appealing to their more devoted fans in their back catalogue; most notably Music/AliceInChains (contrast ''Rooster'', ''Down In A Hole'' and practically anything on the ''Jar of Flies EP'' to the aptly titled ''Sludge Factory'', ''Grind'', ''Dam That River'' and ''Stone''), Music/{{Soundgarden}} (''Black Hole Sun'', ''Rusty Cage'' and ''Fell On Black Days'' in comparison to their Sabbath-influenced ''Fourth of July'', ''Room A Thousand Years Wide'' and ''Birth Ritual'') and Music/Nirvana (''Lithium'', ''Polly'', ''All Apologies'', etc -- with ''Paper Cuts'', ''Tourettes'', ''Endless, Nameless'' and almost everything on their ''"Bleach"'' album.

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* ''Grunge'' is a very loosely defined term that was thrown around a lot in the 90's to describe basically every alternative rock band under the sun, as a result, the term is frequently applied to rock bands as light and radio accessible as Music/PearlJam, Music/StoneTemplePilots and Music/TheSmashingPumpkins, to bands that borderline into other heavier genres such as StonerRock, HardcorePunk, DoomMetal, NoiseRock or even SludgeMetal -- such as Music/{{Melvins}} and Music/{{Tad}}, while some bands tend to toe the line between the two, usually appealing to the masses with lighter radio tunes as singles, and then appealing to their more devoted fans in their back catalogue; most notably Music/AliceInChains (contrast ''Rooster'', ''Down In A Hole'' and practically anything on the ''Jar of Flies EP'' to the aptly titled ''Sludge Factory'', ''Grind'', ''Dam That River'' and ''Stone''), Music/{{Soundgarden}} (''Black Hole Sun'', ''Rusty Cage'' and ''Fell On Black Days'' in comparison to their Sabbath-influenced ''Fourth of July'', ''Room A Thousand Years Wide'' and ''Birth Ritual'') and Music/Nirvana Music/{{Nirvana}} (''Lithium'', ''Polly'', ''All Apologies'', etc -- with ''Paper Cuts'', ''Tourettes'', ''Endless, Nameless'' and almost everything on their ''"Bleach"'' album.


* Corollarily, anything beyond 11 (and to a lesser extent, the harshest and most abrasive Level 11 material) starts to fall under [[HarshNoise Noise]]. Noise is a category for [[GenreBusting unsortable]] [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly experimental]] music that is extreme in ways other than being "heavy" in a traditional fashion. Anything by most Noise artists (with a few exceptions from Music/{{Merzbow}} and Music/MariaCross) is guaranteed to go off the high end of the scale. There really are no identifiable guitars, basses, drums, or even vocals,[[note]]Or there may be one or two discernible instrument sounds but are played in an unlistenable manner[[/note]] and the music tends to become overwhelmed with extended techniques including computer sound manipulation. Here artists (and listeners) are mainly interested in exploring the limits of what can be interpreted musically, whereas at 11 listeners and musicians are merely interested in pushing the boundaries of existing genres. However, the [[SensoryAbuse genre-fucking mutability]] of things like Level 11 {{grindcore}}, {{industrial}}, noise rock, [[{{Dubstep}} brostep]] and mathcore tends to create ambiguity in this respect.

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* Corollarily, anything beyond 11 (and to a lesser extent, the harshest and most abrasive Level 11 material) starts to fall under [[HarshNoise Noise]]. Noise is a category for [[GenreBusting unsortable]] [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly [[GenreBusting experimental]] music that is extreme in ways other than being "heavy" in a traditional fashion. Anything by most Noise artists (with a few exceptions from Music/{{Merzbow}} and Music/MariaCross) is guaranteed to go off the high end of the scale. There really are no identifiable guitars, basses, drums, or even vocals,[[note]]Or there may be one or two discernible instrument sounds but are played in an unlistenable manner[[/note]] and the music tends to become overwhelmed with extended techniques including computer sound manipulation. Here artists (and listeners) are mainly interested in exploring the limits of what can be interpreted musically, whereas at 11 listeners and musicians are merely interested in pushing the boundaries of existing genres. However, the [[SensoryAbuse genre-fucking mutability]] of things like Level 11 {{grindcore}}, {{industrial}}, noise rock, [[{{Dubstep}} brostep]] and mathcore tends to create ambiguity in this respect.



* In general, a band will have songs that are higher or lower on the scale than their usual level, hence why websites like Wikipedia put some bands and/or albums as both rock and metal. (Compare [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlVdPl-oEmg "Tourette's"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSYplu_3fA "Polly"]], both by {{Music/Nirvana}}.) It's easier to just judge each song by itself. You also have bands that [[NewSoundAlbum change their style]], often becoming [[DarkerAndEdgier heavier]], [[LighterAndSofter softer]], or becoming a genre that's [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly much harder to classify altogether]].

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* In general, a band will have songs that are higher or lower on the scale than their usual level, hence why websites like Wikipedia put some bands and/or albums as both rock and metal. (Compare [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlVdPl-oEmg "Tourette's"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSYplu_3fA "Polly"]], both by {{Music/Nirvana}}.) It's easier to just judge each song by itself. You also have bands that [[NewSoundAlbum change their style]], often becoming [[DarkerAndEdgier heavier]], [[LighterAndSofter softer]], or becoming a genre that's [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly [[GenreBusting much harder to classify altogether]].



* And even within a song, there can be some parts that tend to be lighter or heavier. This tends to be seen more often in EpicRocking songs and [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly experimental]] compositions. Some songs start off light and gradually become heavier, while others start off really heavy and soften from then on. Then there are songs that [[MoodWhiplash shift from light to heavy]] with [[ScareChord extreme suddenness]]. As a general rule, it is recommended to listen to a particular song from start to finish before making assessments and putting them in the scale.
* Songs by progressive, experimental, and avant-garde groups tend to be more difficult (or impossible) to classify. Some bands make a point of changing tempos, dynamics, and style to portray a wider range of emotions and ideas, as well as using sharp contrasts to make heavy moments seem heavier and vice versa. This naturally becomes more common with longer songs (see Music/{{Rush}}'s 2112 in level 6 examples), as twenty nonstop minutes of either blasting or light swing could easily be boring to the point of unlistenable. Classical examples include Music/{{Yes}} and Music/KingCrimson, while more recent projects such as Music/TheFallOfTroy and Music/MaudlinOfTheWell mix [[SopranoAndGravel clean vocals with growls or screams]]. Bands such as Music/FaithNoMore, Iwrestledabearonce, Music/{{Sigh}}, Music/DirEnGrey, Music/{{Celldweller}} and Music/{{Ulver}} would take NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly to extreme levels, even going as far as [[GenreRoulette switching from one genre to another]] or [[GenreBusting playing an outright weird form of music]], sometimes resulting in songs that span nearly the entire scale.

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* And even within a song, there can be some parts that tend to be lighter or heavier. This tends to be seen more often in EpicRocking songs and [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly [[GenreBusting experimental]] compositions. Some songs start off light and gradually become heavier, while others start off really heavy and soften from then on. Then there are songs that [[MoodWhiplash shift from light to heavy]] with [[ScareChord extreme suddenness]]. As a general rule, it is recommended to listen to a particular song from start to finish before making assessments and putting them in the scale.
* Songs by progressive, experimental, and avant-garde groups tend to be more difficult (or impossible) to classify. Some bands make a point of changing tempos, dynamics, and style to portray a wider range of emotions and ideas, as well as using sharp contrasts to make heavy moments seem heavier and vice versa. This naturally becomes more common with longer songs (see Music/{{Rush}}'s 2112 in level 6 examples), as twenty nonstop minutes of either blasting or light swing could easily be boring to the point of unlistenable. Classical examples include Music/{{Yes}} and Music/KingCrimson, while more recent projects such as Music/TheFallOfTroy and Music/MaudlinOfTheWell mix [[SopranoAndGravel clean vocals with growls or screams]]. Bands such as Music/FaithNoMore, Iwrestledabearonce, Music/{{Sigh}}, Music/DirEnGrey, Music/{{Celldweller}} and Music/{{Ulver}} would take NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly GenreBusting to extreme levels, even going as far as [[GenreRoulette switching from one genre to another]] or [[GenreBusting playing an outright weird form of music]], sometimes resulting in songs that span nearly the entire scale.


# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]]. Noise Rock at this level is virtually indistinguishable from HarshNoise. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become DarthWiki/MostAnnoyingSound incarnate to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.

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# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]]. Noise Rock at this level is virtually indistinguishable from HarshNoise. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become DarthWiki/MostAnnoyingSound incarnate annoying to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.


# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]]. Noise Rock at this level is virtually indistinguishable from HarshNoise. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become MostAnnoyingSound incarnate to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.

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# UpToEleven: Music/AnalCunt is here, along with the harder side of [=grindcore=] especially the subgenres of pornogrind, noisegrind and goregrind. The most extreme DeathMetal (examples from the brutal death metal and slam death metal subgenres usually end up here) and BlackMetal [[note]]See Teitanblood's, Deathspell Omega's and Anaal Nathrakh's examples at this level[[/note]] also lies here. The very heaviest mathcore (technical[[note]]e.g. Ion Dissonance, Music/TheDillingerEscapePlan[[/note]], chaotic hardcore[[note]]e.g. Converge, Death Dust Extractor[[/note]]) can also reach this level. Most recently, DoomMetal has also managed to climb to this level; in recent years this level has become the province of death/doom, funeral doom, and drone metal[[note]]See [[Music/SunnO Sunn O)))]]'s and Music/{{Khanate}}'s examples at this level.[[/note]]. Noise Rock at this level is virtually indistinguishable from HarshNoise. Crossovers of HeavyMetal and electronic music rarely get up to this level, but this is home to power electronics and most hardcore techno (especially speedcore and noisecore), and most of the hardest IDM/Braindance[[note]]See Autechre's, Venetian Snares's and Squarepusher's examples at this level, you will see...[[/note]], the most extreme drum and bass[[note]]Level 11 dnb will often have monster speed and may sound near-indistinguishable from industrial music to most people. Music/{{Noisia}}[='=]s harsher output resides here, for example.[[/note]] and dubstep[[note]]Level 11 dubstep will have a very harsh drop, heavily distorted bass and hardly any room for breathing. This is Music/{{Excision}}[='=]s home level, but other dubstep musicians such as Flux Pavilion, Doctor P, Skrillex and Devilman have managed to creep up here.[[/note]] can be found here too. Songs at this level often invoke auditory SensoryAbuse in [[HellIsThatNoise all]] [[BrownNote its]] [[ScareChord forms]], and can quickly become MostAnnoyingSound DarthWiki/MostAnnoyingSound incarnate to many listeners. [[HarshVocals Growling]] or [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl screaming]] will always sound [[TheUnintelligible unintelligible]] and almost inhuman, and often pitch-shifting or other computer-aided effects are used to drive the vocal range beyond what could normally be sustained during singing[[note]](astoundingly though, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObHhRnvCqk not always]])[[/note]]. Cleans are virtually absent, but if cleans are present, they'll usually be a haunting OneWomanWail or OminousLatinChanting. Drums are so fast that it sounds like a ''solid wall of black noise'', or are so slow that a snare hits at the first second and the next beat ''never comes.'' Guitars and bass are heavier than a black hole, the heaviest known object in reality, and will (almost) surely sound like a chainsaw. Any and all electronic instrumentation will sound like a mess of chattering noise and beeping sounds. Production plays a ''very important'' role at this level: it may be [[ThreeChordsAndTheTruth extremely raw and low-fi]], or [[LoudnessWar highly polished but intentionally brickwalled to deafening levels]]. In other words, the music in this level is [[WesternAnimation/{{Metalocalypse}} blacker than the blackest black times infinity.]] Significant elements of this class are [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible experimental]] in nature, although [[StealthParody stealth parodists]] commonly make their way up here as well.


* While each level represents a certain standard of musical hardness, within each level, some songs may be harder or softer than the established standards. This variance among songs within levels leads to each level being split into 5 subcategories: Borderline (straddles the line between two levels), soft ([[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin a soft example of a level X song]]), standard ([[CaptainObvious average example]]), solid (a particularly relevant example of the music's hardness at a certain level, it is harder than standard, but softer than hard), and hard (an obviously harder example). The soft and hard subcategories are subsequently split up in other two subcategories, very soft and soft; hard and very hard.

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* While each level represents a certain standard of musical hardness, within each level, some songs may be harder or softer than the established standards. This variance among songs within levels leads to each level being split into 5 subcategories: Borderline (straddles the line between two levels), soft ([[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin a soft example of a level X song]]), standard ([[CaptainObvious average example]]), (average example), solid (a particularly relevant example of the music's hardness at a certain level, it is harder than standard, but softer than hard), and hard (an obviously harder example). The soft and hard subcategories are subsequently split up in other two subcategories, very soft and soft; hard and very hard.

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** When trying to classify songs that span multiple levels on a scale (for example, a song that goes from 3 to 7), some people place these in an average of the song's hardness (which in this case would be a 5). However, since the harder parts of a song tend to stand out more, other people would place such songs based on their heaviest part (in this case, a 7). Which is the correct way to classify these songs, or whether they should even be classified at all, is very subjective.

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