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Enter the Heroic Heelization Speech: the unintended result of a successful attempt to make the hero question their self worth, motivation, and goals. On these occasions, the hero, upon being given the breaking speech, agrees with every word the villain has said, that they are acting out a fantasy savior complex, or that the [[CrapsackWorld world is otherwise so lost]] that their actions have no worth anyway. The hero will then go on to explain how these newfound realizations given to them by their antagonist have shown them that there's no reason why they can't give the villains a healthy taste of their own medicine.

The Heroic Heelization Speech is all about two things: a morality shift, and {{irony}}. The morality shift occurs when the hero become sympathetic to the villain's point of view or methods, the irony occurs when the villain becomes a victim of said realization.

A hero giving this speech may slide into AntiHero or [[FaceHeelTurn villain]] territory: whether the hero goes all the way over to the dark side or not depends on whether the hero is seriously going dark, or is just making a point, and whether or not [[MoralityChain someone is there]] to stop them. Sometimes, a hero making this speech can have good sense slapped into them by a fellow hero, or the people they've saved before reminding them of the good they've done.

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Enter the Heroic Heelization Speech: the unintended result of a successful attempt to make the hero heroes question their self worth, motivation, and goals. On these occasions, the hero, heroes, upon being given the breaking speech, agrees with every word the villain has said, that they are acting out a fantasy savior complex, or that the [[CrapsackWorld world is otherwise so lost]] that their actions have no worth anyway. The hero heroes will then go on to explain how these newfound realizations given to them by their antagonist have shown them that there's no reason why they can't give the villains a healthy taste of their own medicine.

The Heroic Heelization Speech is all about two things: a morality shift, and {{irony}}. The morality shift occurs when the hero heroes become sympathetic to the villain's point of view or methods, the irony occurs when the villain becomes a victim of said realization.

A hero giving this speech may slide into AntiHero or [[FaceHeelTurn villain]] territory: whether the hero goes all the way over to the dark side or not depends on whether the hero is seriously going dark, or is just making a point, and whether or not [[MoralityChain someone is there]] to stop them. him/her. Sometimes, a hero making this speech can have good sense slapped into them him/her by a fellow hero, or the people they've saved before reminding them the hero of the good they've the hero has done.


* In the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE22JokersFavor Joker's Favor]]", {{Everyman}} Charlie Collins gives one of these to ComicBook/TheJoker of all people, after Joker has terrorized him and his family for years.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' episode "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE22JokersFavor Joker's Favor]]", {{Everyman}} Charlie Collins gives one of these to ComicBook/TheJoker of all people, after Joker has terrorized him and his family for years.


* In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', in the episode "Joker[='=]s Favor", Charlie gives one of these to [[MonsterClown The Joker]] of all people, after Joker has terrorized him and his family for years.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', in the episode "Joker[='=]s Favor", "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE22JokersFavor Joker's Favor]]", {{Everyman}} Charlie Collins gives one of these to [[MonsterClown The Joker]] ComicBook/TheJoker of all people, after Joker has terrorized him and his family for years.



* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'': "A Better World" - in an alternate universe, Superman corners President Luthor in the White House. Luthor is trying to escape after a [[NoodleIncident plot that has apparently gone terribly wrong]] at some point ''after'' he deliberately murdered the Flash. Luthor is about to launch some device (possibly nukes), but is told by Superman that he can stop him. Luthor taunts Superman, saying that Superman's ego is the whole reason for this mess (because Superman could have ''killed'' him anytime [[ThouShaltNotKill but didn't]]) and goes on to gloat that the worst thing that will happen is he will go to jail for a while before breaking out and starting the whole thing all over again. Superman calmly agrees and says it's time for him to take responsibility for his role in Luthor's villainy... before frying him with his heat vision.
-->'''Superman:''' I did love being a hero. But if this is where it leads...I'm done with it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'': "A "[[Recap/JusticeLeagueS2E11And12ABetterWorld A Better World" - World]]" starts in an alternate universe, AlternateUniverse where Superman corners President Luthor ComicBook/LexLuthor in the White House. Luthor is trying to escape after a [[NoodleIncident plot that has apparently gone terribly wrong]] at some point ''after'' he deliberately murdered the Flash.ComicBook/TheFlash. Luthor is about to launch some device (possibly nukes), but is told by Superman that he can stop him. Luthor taunts Superman, saying that Superman's ego is the whole reason for this mess (because Superman could have ''killed'' him anytime [[ThouShaltNotKill but didn't]]) and goes on to gloat that the worst thing that will happen is he will go to jail for a while before breaking out and starting the whole thing all over again. Superman calmly agrees and says it's time for him to take responsibility for his role in Luthor's villainy... before frying him with his heat vision.
-->'''Superman:''' I did love being a hero. But if this is where it leads...I'm done with it.
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** "[[/Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS04E10OurManBashir Our Man Bashir]]": Dr. Bashir is playing a Franchise/JamesBond-like character in a [[HolodeckMalfunction holodeck program that accidentally assimilated several other crew members]]. To avoid getting either himself or his friends killed by the malfunctioning program, Bashir has his character do a FaceHeelTurn and join the BigBad, giving a speech mirroring one Garak gave him about how the reward for being a faithful agent was usually an early death.

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** "[[/Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS04E10OurManBashir "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS04E10OurManBashir Our Man Bashir]]": Dr. Bashir is playing a Franchise/JamesBond-like character in a [[HolodeckMalfunction holodeck program that accidentally assimilated several other crew members]]. To avoid getting either himself or his friends killed by the malfunctioning program, Bashir has his character do a FaceHeelTurn and join the BigBad, giving a speech mirroring one Garak gave him about how the reward for being a faithful agent was usually an early death.


* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'':
** Episode "Our Man Bashir", Dr. Bashir is playing a James Bond-like character in a [[HolodeckMalfunction holodeck program that accidentally assimilated several other crew members]]. To avoid getting either himself or his friends killed by the malfunctioning program, Bashir has his character do a FaceHeelTurn and join the BigBad, giving a speech mirroring one Garak gave him about how the reward for being a faithful agent was usually an early death.
** In "The Pale Moonlight", [[TheCaptain Sisko]] violently confronts Garek about his scheming and the resulting deaths, and gets a scathing BreakingSpeech in response. The episode ends with Sisko finishing [[FramingDevice his personal log of the episode's events]] with this trope. Its a little ambiguous whether the sentiment is genuine or if he's just trying to convince ''himself'' he's comfortable violating his principles and morality (and covering it up to maintain the ruse) if it means giving TheFederation a fighting chance in a HopelessWar.

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''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' provides two examples.
** Episode "Our "[[/Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS04E10OurManBashir Our Man Bashir", Bashir]]": Dr. Bashir is playing a James Bond-like Franchise/JamesBond-like character in a [[HolodeckMalfunction holodeck program that accidentally assimilated several other crew members]]. To avoid getting either himself or his friends killed by the malfunctioning program, Bashir has his character do a FaceHeelTurn and join the BigBad, giving a speech mirroring one Garak gave him about how the reward for being a faithful agent was usually an early death.
** "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E19InThePaleMoonlight In "The the Pale Moonlight", Moonlight]]": [[TheCaptain Sisko]] violently confronts Garek about his scheming and the resulting deaths, and gets a scathing BreakingSpeech in response. The episode ends with Sisko finishing [[FramingDevice his personal log of the episode's events]] with this trope. Its a little ambiguous whether the sentiment is genuine or if he's just trying to convince ''himself'' he's comfortable violating his principles and morality (and covering it up to maintain the ruse) if it means giving TheFederation a fighting chance in a HopelessWar.



A hero giving this speech may slide into Anti-hero or villain territory: whether the hero goes all the way over to the dark side or not depends on whether the hero is seriously going dark, or is just making a point, and whether or not [[MoralityChain someone is there]] to stop them. Sometimes, a hero making this speech can have good sense slapped into them by a fellow hero, or the people they've saved before reminding them of the good they've done.

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\nA hero giving this speech may slide into Anti-hero AntiHero or villain [[FaceHeelTurn villain]] territory: whether the hero goes all the way over to the dark side or not depends on whether the hero is seriously going dark, or is just making a point, and whether or not [[MoralityChain someone is there]] to stop them. Sometimes, a hero making this speech can have good sense slapped into them by a fellow hero, or the people they've saved before reminding them of the good they've done.



* The ''Comicbook/{{Empowered}}'' special "PEW! PEW! PEW!" revolves around the eponymous heroine continuing to struggle with the lack of respect she receives while battling several minor supervillains going on shooting sprees for petty reasons -- who were all using a specific brand of {{BFG}}, [=TeknoFetish=]. Emp had noticed that the [=TeknoFetish=] user agreement essentially warned that the guns would manipulate their users into "uncontrollable rage episodes", but gets caught by the wreckage of one weapon from a defeated villain. The smartgun then reassembles itself, larger than before, while driving Empowered into a homicidal rage by MoreThanMindControl. However, Empowered decides that what she's really angry about is the gun trying to use her as a puppet, and blasts it, [[DisproportionateRetribution along with most of the building she's standing on]], to pieces before she calms down.

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* The ''Comicbook/{{Empowered}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Empowered}}'' special "PEW! PEW! PEW!" revolves around the eponymous heroine continuing to struggle with [[DudeWheresMyRespect the lack of respect she receives receives]] while battling several minor supervillains going on shooting sprees for petty reasons -- who were all using a specific brand of {{BFG}}, [=TeknoFetish=]. Emp had noticed that the [=TeknoFetish=] user agreement essentially warned that the guns would manipulate their users into "uncontrollable rage episodes", but gets caught by the wreckage of one weapon from a defeated villain. The smartgun then reassembles itself, larger than before, while driving Empowered into a homicidal rage by MoreThanMindControl. However, Empowered decides that what she's really angry about is the gun trying to use her as a puppet, and blasts it, [[DisproportionateRetribution along with most of the building she's standing on]], to pieces before she calms down.



* [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Gadget]] does this in the fanfic "[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/582131/1/Gadget-in-Chains Gadget in Chains]]": after being framed for a crime she didn't commit, and thrown in a hellhole of a prison in place of Lawhiney, an escaping Gadget happens upon Lawhiney on the road. When Gadget figures out who it is she is dealing with, and exactly how big the scam is, that, combined with some of the things she had to do to get out of prison, make her give a speech about how easy it is to not give a damn, before beating the tar out of Lawhiney and trying to kill her.

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* [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Gadget]] Gadget does this in the ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'' fanfic "[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/582131/1/Gadget-in-Chains Gadget in Chains]]": after Chains]]". After being framed [[FrameUp framed]] for a crime she didn't commit, and thrown in a hellhole of a prison in place of her EvilTwin Lawhiney, an escaping Gadget happens upon Lawhiney on the road. When Gadget figures out who it is she is dealing with, and exactly how big the scam is, that, combined with some of the things she had to do to get out of prison, make her give a speech about how easy it is to not give a damn, before beating the tar out of Lawhiney and trying to kill her.


->"I did love being a hero. But if this is where it leads...I'm done with it."
-->-- '''Justice Lord Superman'''

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* In ''WebComic/EightBitTheater'', White Mage has one (with some prodding from Black Mage) after Onrac is destroyed for the second time and she thinks her efforts at that point are futile.

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* In ''WebComic/EightBitTheater'', White Mage has one (with some prodding from Black Mage) after Onrac is destroyed for the second time and she thinks her efforts at that point are futile. In keeping with the trope, not only does this not get Black Mage what he wanted (deciding to be evil doesn't make White Mage any more willing to overlook Black Mage's laundry list of faults, so he's no closer to sleeping with her), but it also gives the {{Villain Protagonist}}s of the comic a slightly harder time, because WM determines that her new calling is "precision violence" and gives Red Mage a kicking.


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* In ''What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?'', Franchise/{{Superman}} appears to have gone this route. If the world is looking for him to be pushed over the edge by DarkerAndEdgier heroes, then he'll give them a DarkerAndEdgier Superman. It's terrifying.

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* In ''What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?'', Franchise/{{Superman}} appears to have gone this route. If the world is looking for him to be pushed over the edge by DarkerAndEdgier heroes, then he'll give them a DarkerAndEdgier Superman. It's terrifying. [[spoiler:This was, in fact, a ruse to make the world realize just how dangerous the Elite's worldview really is.]]



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* Like in its original inspiration, the aforementioned ''What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?'', {{Franchise/Superman}} in both ''WesternAnimation/SupermanVsTheElite'' and the comic book source of said animated story. During their final fight, Superman takes a number of gruesome hits, to lull his opponents into a false sense of security, then uncorks a larger fraction of his full power, using it to present the illusion that he is killing each member of The Elite. When Manchester Black calls him on this, he replies that he finally understands what it is that they've been trying to tell him, and from now on he's going to be fighting crime their way. Unfortunately for them, they're going to be the first people he uses their new philosophy on. [[spoiler: Fortunately for them, also like in the comic, he was [=BSing=] them to make a point.]]
* In ''WesternAnimation/SupermanShazamTheReturnOfBlackAdam'', [[Comicbook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] does this after finally getting the upper hand on Black Adam, who had been taunting him just moments earlier with Marvel's weakness.
-->'''Superman:''' Easy there. You've got him.
-->'''Black Adam:''' It changes you, does it not? The power.
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' It only changes that I can choose my own fate now.
-->'''Black Adam:''' Like a god, maybe.
-->'''Superman:''' That's enough.
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' No, I have to. To protect them.
-->'''Superman:''' How? By being like him?
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' By being stronger than him.
-->'''Superman:''' Then be strong. Be good.

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* {{Franchise/Superman}} in both ''WesternAnimation/SupermanVsTheElite'' and the comic book source of said animated story. During their final fight, Superman takes a number of gruesome hits, to lull his opponents into a false sense of security, then uncorks a larger fraction of his full power, using it to present the illusion that he is killing each member of The Elite. When Manchester Black calls him on this, he replies that he finally understands what it is that they've been trying to tell him, and from now on he's going to be fighting crime their way. Unfortunately for them, they're going to be the first people he uses their new philosophy on. [[spoiler: Fortunately for them, he was [=BSing=] them to make a point]]



** While not looking to go as far as the Justice Lords did, the end of the story has League-Batman surmising that they can't defeat their Heel-counterparts if they themselves aren't willing to cross ''some'' kind of line.
** The fight between the two versions of Batman is basically a philosophical debate about which of them is keeping true to their mission. Lord Batman actually ''wins'' the debate when he argues that their "tyranny" ensures no 8-year-old kid will ever have to see his parents murdered before his eyes. League Batman cannot think of a rebuttal to that and admits defeat. However, later the two of them drive past a man [[AllCrimesAreEqual getting arrested for complaining about the prices at a restaurant]] and [[ComebackTomorrow he finally thinks of one]].
--->'''League Batman:''' They'd love it here, don't you think?\\
'''Lord Batman:''' Who?\\
'''League Batman:''' Mom and Dad. [[SarcasmMode They'd be]] ''[[SarcasmMode so]]'' [[SarcasmMode proud of you]].\\
'''Lord Batman:''' ...Just drive.
* In the anthology ''[[WesternAnimation/SupermanShazamTheReturnOfBlackAdam Superman/Shazam]]'', [[Comicbook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] does this after finally getting the upper hand on Black Adam, who had been taunting him just moments earlier with Marvel's weakness.
-->'''Superman:''' Easy there. You've got him.
-->'''Black Adam:''' It changes you, does it not? The power.
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' It only changes that I can choose my own fate now.
-->'''Black Adam:''' Like a god, maybe.
-->'''Superman:''' That's enough.
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' No, I have to. To protect them.
-->'''Superman:''' How? By being like him?
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' By being stronger than him.
-->'''Superman:''' Then be strong. Be good.

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** While not looking to go as far as the Justice Lords did, the end of the story has League-Batman surmising that they can't defeat their Heel-counterparts if they themselves aren't willing to cross ''some'' kind of line.
** The fight between the two versions of Batman is basically a philosophical debate about which of them is keeping true to their mission. Lord Batman actually ''wins'' the debate when he argues that their "tyranny" ensures no 8-year-old kid will ever have to see his parents murdered before his eyes. League Batman cannot think of a rebuttal to that and admits defeat. However, later the two of them drive past a man [[AllCrimesAreEqual getting arrested for complaining about the prices at a restaurant]] and [[ComebackTomorrow he finally thinks of one]].
--->'''League Batman:''' They'd love it here, don't you think?\\
'''Lord Batman:''' Who?\\
'''League Batman:''' Mom and Dad. [[SarcasmMode They'd be]] ''[[SarcasmMode so]]'' [[SarcasmMode proud of you]].\\
'''Lord Batman:''' ...Just drive.
* In the anthology ''[[WesternAnimation/SupermanShazamTheReturnOfBlackAdam Superman/Shazam]]'', [[Comicbook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] does this after finally getting the upper hand on Black Adam, who had been taunting him just moments earlier with Marvel's weakness.
-->'''Superman:''' Easy there. You've got him.
-->'''Black Adam:''' It changes you, does it not? The power.
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' It only changes that I can choose my own fate now.
-->'''Black Adam:''' Like a god, maybe.
-->'''Superman:''' That's enough.
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' No, I have to. To protect them.
-->'''Superman:''' How? By being like him?
-->'''Captain Marvel:''' By being stronger than him.
-->'''Superman:''' Then be strong. Be good.

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->"I did love being a hero. But if this is where it leads...I'm done with it."
-->-- '''Justice Lord Superman'''


* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'':
* "A Better World" - in an alternate universe, Superman corners President Luthor in the White House. Luthor is trying to escape after a [[NoodleIncident plot that has apparently gone terribly wrong]] at some point ''after'' he deliberately murdered the Flash. Luthor is about to launch some device (possibly nukes), but is told by Superman that he can stop him. Luthor taunts Superman, saying that Superman's ego is the whole reason for this mess (because Superman could have ''killed'' him anytime [[ThouShaltNotKill but didn't]]) and goes on to gloat that the worst thing that will happen is he will go to jail for a while before breaking out and starting the whole thing all over again. Superman calmly agrees and says it's time for him to take responsibility for his role in Luthor's villainy... before frying him with his heat vision.

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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'':
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''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'': "A Better World" - in an alternate universe, Superman corners President Luthor in the White House. Luthor is trying to escape after a [[NoodleIncident plot that has apparently gone terribly wrong]] at some point ''after'' he deliberately murdered the Flash. Luthor is about to launch some device (possibly nukes), but is told by Superman that he can stop him. Luthor taunts Superman, saying that Superman's ego is the whole reason for this mess (because Superman could have ''killed'' him anytime [[ThouShaltNotKill but didn't]]) and goes on to gloat that the worst thing that will happen is he will go to jail for a while before breaking out and starting the whole thing all over again. Superman calmly agrees and says it's time for him to take responsibility for his role in Luthor's villainy... before frying him with his heat vision.



*** The fight between the two versions of Batman is basically a philosophical debate about which of them is keeping true to their mission. Lord Batman actually ''wins'' the debate when he argues that their "tyranny" ensures no 8-year-old kid will ever have to see his parents murdered before his eyes. League Batman cannot think of a rebuttal to that and admits defeat. However, later the two of them drive past a man [[AllCrimesAreEqual getting arrested for complaining about the prices at a restaurant]] and [[ComebackTomorrow he finally thinks of one]].
---->'''League Batman:''' They'd love it here, don't you think?\\

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*** ** The fight between the two versions of Batman is basically a philosophical debate about which of them is keeping true to their mission. Lord Batman actually ''wins'' the debate when he argues that their "tyranny" ensures no 8-year-old kid will ever have to see his parents murdered before his eyes. League Batman cannot think of a rebuttal to that and admits defeat. However, later the two of them drive past a man [[AllCrimesAreEqual getting arrested for complaining about the prices at a restaurant]] and [[ComebackTomorrow he finally thinks of one]].
---->'''League --->'''League Batman:''' They'd love it here, don't you think?\\


* [[RescueRangers Gadget]] does this in the fanfic "[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/582131/1/Gadget-in-Chains Gadget in Chains]]": after being framed for a crime she didn't commit, and thrown in a hellhole of a prison in place of Lawhiney, an escaping Gadget happens upon Lawhiney on the road. When Gadget figures out who it is she is dealing with, and exactly how big the scam is, that, combined with some of the things she had to do to get out of prison, make her give a speech about how easy it is to not give a damn, before beating the tar out of Lawhiney and trying to kill her.

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* [[RescueRangers [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Gadget]] does this in the fanfic "[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/582131/1/Gadget-in-Chains Gadget in Chains]]": after being framed for a crime she didn't commit, and thrown in a hellhole of a prison in place of Lawhiney, an escaping Gadget happens upon Lawhiney on the road. When Gadget figures out who it is she is dealing with, and exactly how big the scam is, that, combined with some of the things she had to do to get out of prison, make her give a speech about how easy it is to not give a damn, before beating the tar out of Lawhiney and trying to kill her.


* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'' episode "A Better World", in an alternate universe, Superman corners President Luthor in the White House. Luthor is trying to escape after a [[NoodleIncident plot that has apparently gone terribly wrong]] at some point ''after'' he deliberately murdered the Flash. Luthor is about to try to attempt to launch some device (possibly nukes), but is told by Superman that he can stop him. Luthor taunts Superman, saying that Superman's ego is the whole reason for this mess (because Superman could have ''killed'' him anytime [[ThouShaltNotKill but didn't]]) and goes on to gloat that the worst thing that will happen is he will go to jail for a while before breaking out and starting the whole thing all over again. Superman calmly agrees and says it's time for him to take responsibility for his role in Luthor's villainy... before frying him with his heat vision.
-->'''Superman:''' I did enjoy being a hero. But if this is where it leads...I'm done with it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'' episode ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'':
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"A Better World", World" - in an alternate universe, Superman corners President Luthor in the White House. Luthor is trying to escape after a [[NoodleIncident plot that has apparently gone terribly wrong]] at some point ''after'' he deliberately murdered the Flash. Luthor is about to try to attempt to launch some device (possibly nukes), but is told by Superman that he can stop him. Luthor taunts Superman, saying that Superman's ego is the whole reason for this mess (because Superman could have ''killed'' him anytime [[ThouShaltNotKill but didn't]]) and goes on to gloat that the worst thing that will happen is he will go to jail for a while before breaking out and starting the whole thing all over again. Superman calmly agrees and says it's time for him to take responsibility for his role in Luthor's villainy... before frying him with his heat vision.
-->'''Superman:''' I did enjoy love being a hero. But if this is where it leads...I'm done with it.

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