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** Ebert's review of ''Film/EastOfEden'' mentions that his notes start out remarking that the film was slow and uninvolving; by the fourth page he's writing a grocery list instead.

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** Ebert's review of ''Film/EastOfEden'' ''Film/ExitToEden'' mentions that his notes start out remarking that the film was slow and uninvolving; by the fourth page he's writing a grocery list instead.


* Played with in-universe in ''VideoGame/WurmOnline'', whose PVP servers have an ExcusePlot about three [[CosmeticallyDifferentSides largely interchangeable]] factions fighting a low-key ForeverWar over land and resources, with some sort of CosmicChessGame between the gods going on in the background that seems not to affect anything in the gameworld besides occasionallyspawning raid bosses... But the non-PVP servers are explicitly described in the lore as being their own separate faction, formed of people who've decided that the war is stupid and pointless and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere walked away to go do their own thing.]] One cannot help but suspect a bit of RealitySubtext there, given how many players PlayTheGameSkipTheStory.

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* Played with in-universe in ''VideoGame/WurmOnline'', whose PVP servers have an ExcusePlot about three [[CosmeticallyDifferentSides largely interchangeable]] factions fighting a low-key ForeverWar over land and resources, with some sort of CosmicChessGame between the gods going on in the background that seems not to affect anything in the gameworld besides occasionallyspawning periodically spawning a new raid bosses...boss... But the non-PVP servers are explicitly described in the lore as being their own separate faction, formed of people who've decided that the war is stupid and pointless and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere walked away to go do their own thing.]] One cannot help but suspect a bit of RealitySubtext there, given how many players PlayTheGameSkipTheStory.


Many {{Horror}}/monster/{{Disaster Movie}}s try to avoid this by DevelopingDoomedCharacters, only to make the audience care ''less'' about the characters because they aren't getting [[JustHereForGodzilla the slaughter they came there to see]], and wondering why they're spending the first quarter-to-third of the movie with people they don't give a flip about. Or course, those who ''are'' JustHereForGodzilla might have the patience to wait things out.

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Many {{Horror}}/monster/{{Disaster Movie}}s try to avoid this by DevelopingDoomedCharacters, only to make the audience care ''less'' about the characters because they aren't getting [[JustHereForGodzilla the slaughter they came there to see]], and wondering why they're spending the first quarter-to-third of the movie with people they don't give a flip about. Or Of course, those who ''are'' JustHereForGodzilla might have the patience to wait things out.


A phrase coined by Dorothy Jones Heydt in a science-fiction based Website/{{Usenet}} group in 1991 to describe an AudienceReaction to a work of fiction where the characters are either so universally bland and unengaging or so unlikable and unsympathetic that the reader simply loses interest in their fate and, by extension, the work as a whole. This can happen with or without the presence of [[BadWritingIndex more objective shortcomings]], but the most interesting examples tend to be those where this is a critic's main complaint, single-handedly dragging an otherwise well-made story down to where it's unengaging.

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A phrase coined by Dorothy Jones Heydt in a science-fiction based Website/{{Usenet}} group in 1991 to describe an AudienceReaction to a work of fiction where the characters are either so universally bland and unengaging or so unlikable and unsympathetic that the reader simply loses interest in their fate and, by extension, the work as a whole. This can happen with or without the presence of [[BadWritingIndex [[WritingPitfallIndex more objective shortcomings]], but the most interesting examples tend to be those where this is a critic's main complaint, single-handedly dragging an otherwise well-made story down to where it's unengaging.


* This comes up a lot in [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee's]] reviews of games (Yahtzee, as a writer himself, being a very story-based gamer), perhaps most amusingly cited in his own review of ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein2009'' (which was [[CrazyAwesome entirely delivered in limerick form]]):

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* This comes up a lot in [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee's]] reviews of games (Yahtzee, as a writer himself, being a very story-based gamer), perhaps most amusingly cited in his own review of ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein2009'' (which was [[CrazyAwesome entirely delivered in limerick form]]):form):

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** Ebert's review of ''Film/EastOfEden'' mentions that his notes start out remarking that the film was slow and uninvolving; by the fourth page he's writing a grocery list instead.


* ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'' is ''[[SnarkBait infamous]]'' for this. With almost all of the characters being {{flat|Character}}, [[TheScrappy annoying]], and/or just plain [[{{Jerkass}} unlikable]], you can't find yourself rooting for anyone to make it through in the end, with the exception of [[EnsembleDarkhorse Akiko Glitter]], [[spoiler:who is, of course, the ''only'' character to die]]. There is also the fact that Gene has what WebVideo/{{Bobsheaux}} claimed is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2egaTGOwE#t=11m00s "probably the most depressing character motivation I've ever heard in my life."]] Add to it that WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter said that it doesn’t remind him of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', or even ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', but it actually reminded him of the Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg films, which are {{Shallow Parod|y}}ies notorious for being unfunny.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'' is ''[[SnarkBait infamous]]'' ''infamous'' for this. With almost all of the characters being {{flat|Character}}, [[TheScrappy annoying]], and/or just plain [[{{Jerkass}} unlikable]], you can't find yourself rooting for anyone to make it through in the end, with the exception of [[EnsembleDarkhorse Akiko Glitter]], [[spoiler:who is, of course, the ''only'' character to die]]. There is also the fact that Gene has what WebVideo/{{Bobsheaux}} claimed is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2egaTGOwE#t=11m00s "probably the most depressing character motivation I've ever heard in my life."]] Add to it that WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter said that it doesn’t remind him of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', or even ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', but it actually reminded him of the Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg films, which are {{Shallow Parod|y}}ies notorious for being unfunny.

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* Played with in-universe in ''VideoGame/WurmOnline'', whose PVP servers have an ExcusePlot about three [[CosmeticallyDifferentSides largely interchangeable]] factions fighting a low-key ForeverWar over land and resources, with some sort of CosmicChessGame between the gods going on in the background that seems not to affect anything in the gameworld besides occasionallyspawning raid bosses... But the non-PVP servers are explicitly described in the lore as being their own separate faction, formed of people who've decided that the war is stupid and pointless and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere walked away to go do their own thing.]] One cannot help but suspect a bit of RealitySubtext there, given how many players PlayTheGameSkipTheStory.


--> "It's hard to care about the events of an alternate universe that wouldn't exist or matter anyway after a few months. It's harder still when the overwhelming majority of the characters are so hideously unlikeable that you get the impression the world would be better off destroyed. Add in the fact that the only character from "our" DCU is Barry Allen, widely regarded as a CreatorsPet, and you have a comic that winds up mostly being a lot of empty, unpleasant noise."

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--> "It's hard "I mean, how much killing does it really take to underscore the point that Earth-Flashpoint is a horrible place? At a certain point it all just fades into meaninglessness, a body count for the sake of a body count, all of it entirely without heft or import because it’s effectively an "imaginary story" giving the serial reader no point at which to sympathize or otherwise care about the events of an alternate universe dead bodies left in its wake. For a comics company that wouldn't exist or matter anyway after a few months. It's harder still when has predicated its existence on the overwhelming majority idea of the characters are so hideously unlikeable stories that you get the impression the world would be better off destroyed. Add in the fact "matter" to create an enormous MacGuffin of a story that the only character from "our" DCU exists to propel the company into its reboot is Barry Allen, widely regarded as a CreatorsPet, and you have a comic that winds up mostly being a lot of empty, unpleasant noise.shocking for all the wrong reasons."


-->''...His wife banged the pastor—after being convinced that Pete was dead, by the way. Pete's reasoning was not only flawed, but also so inherently stupid that it makes for bad storytelling, leading to not only a unsatisfactory conclusion, but you groaning out loud at the stupidity of the author who thought that it was a good idea. And it turns out, the wife didn't even bang the pastor. She fucked the slave, which doesn't make anything better, story-wise. If anything, it makes things worse because you realise the whole story, from Pete killing the pastor, to us reading about his time in the war and him being brave amounted to nothing because he was an idiot. I don't mean that in terms of his personality; idiots can be made into convincing characters. No, he was an idiot character, spun from nothing and given the slightest substance and depth.''

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-->''...His wife banged the pastor—after being convinced that Pete was dead, by the way. Pete's reasoning was not only flawed, but also so inherently stupid that it makes for bad storytelling, leading to not only a unsatisfactory conclusion, but you groaning out loud at the stupidity of the author who thought that it was a good idea. And it turns out, the wife didn't even bang the pastor. She fucked the slave, which doesn't make anything better, story-wise. [[IdiotPlot If anything, it makes things worse because you realise the whole story, from Pete killing the pastor, to us reading about his time in the war and him being brave amounted to nothing because he was an idiot. I don't mean that in terms of his personality; idiots can be made into convincing characters. No, he was an idiot character, spun from nothing and given the slightest substance and depth.'']]''

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* The Average Viewer [[https://theaverageviewer.home.blog/2019/02/27/john-grisham-the-reckoning-2018-a-three-part-tale-that-couldve-finished-in-one/ certainly felt this way]] about ''Literature/TheReckoning'' by the time it revealed ''why'' Pete Banning murdered Pastor Bell.
-->''...His wife banged the pastor—after being convinced that Pete was dead, by the way. Pete's reasoning was not only flawed, but also so inherently stupid that it makes for bad storytelling, leading to not only a unsatisfactory conclusion, but you groaning out loud at the stupidity of the author who thought that it was a good idea. And it turns out, the wife didn't even bang the pastor. She fucked the slave, which doesn't make anything better, story-wise. If anything, it makes things worse because you realise the whole story, from Pete killing the pastor, to us reading about his time in the war and him being brave amounted to nothing because he was an idiot. I don't mean that in terms of his personality; idiots can be made into convincing characters. No, he was an idiot character, spun from nothing and given the slightest substance and depth.''

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* Jeremy of ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' feels this way about the two main characters of ''WesternAnimation/{{Trolls}}'' because he finds Poppy to be such a complete idiot and Branch to be such a jerk that he doesn't care to see either of them succeed:
--> Jesus, this movie cast maybe the two most likeable leads in the WORLD but gave them such huge character flaws that it's impossible to root for EITHER of them!


Note that "not caring about what happens to" a character is not the same as "[[TheScrappy not liking]]" them -- some character archetypes, such as the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist or HateSink, work because they are conduits for LaserGuidedKarma. In other words, even if you ''hate'' the character, you still ''care about what happens to them'' (because you want to see them get their comeuppance), [[LoveToHate so you'll still follow the story]]. The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but rather '''apathy''' -- and this trope is about when that apathy has set in.

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Note that "not caring about what happens to" a character is not the same as "[[TheScrappy not liking]]" them -- some character archetypes, such as the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist or HateSink, work because they are conduits for LaserGuidedKarma. In other words, even if you ''hate'' the character, you still ''care ''[[LoveToHate care about what happens to them'' them]]'' (because you want to see them get their comeuppance), [[LoveToHate so you'll still follow the story]].story. The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but rather '''apathy''' -- and this trope is about when that apathy has set in.


Note that "not caring about what happens to" a character is not the same as "[[TheScrappy not liking]]" them -- some character archetypes, such as the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist or HateSink, work because they are conduits for LaserGuidedKarma. In other words, even if you ''hate'' the character, you still ''care about what happens to them'' (because you want to see them get their comeuppance), so you'll still follow the story. The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but rather '''apathy''' -- and this trope is about when that apathy has set in.

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Note that "not caring about what happens to" a character is not the same as "[[TheScrappy not liking]]" them -- some character archetypes, such as the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist or HateSink, work because they are conduits for LaserGuidedKarma. In other words, even if you ''hate'' the character, you still ''care about what happens to them'' (because you want to see them get their comeuppance), [[LoveToHate so you'll still follow the story.story]]. The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but rather '''apathy''' -- and this trope is about when that apathy has set in.


* ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'' is ''[[SnarkBait infamous]]'' for this. With almost all of the characters being {{flat|Character}}, [[TheScrappy annoying]], and/or just plain [[{{Jerkass}} unlikable]], you can't find yourself rooting for anyone to make it through in the end, with the exception of [[EnsembleDarkhorse Akiko Glitter]], [[spoiler:who is, of course, the ''only'' character to die]]. There is also the fact that Gene has what WebVideo/{{Bobsheaux}} claimed is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2egaTGOwE#t=11m00s "probably the most depressing character motivation I've ever heard in my life."]] Add to it that WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter said that it doesn’t remind him of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', or even ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', but it actually reminded him of the Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg films, which are {{Shallow Parod|y}}ies notorious for being unfunny.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheEmojiMovie'' is ''[[SnarkBait infamous]]'' for this. With almost all of the characters being {{flat|Character}}, [[TheScrappy annoying]], and/or just plain [[{{Jerkass}} unlikable]], you can't find yourself rooting for anyone to make it through in the end, with the exception of [[EnsembleDarkhorse Akiko Glitter]], [[spoiler:who is, of course, the ''only'' character to die]]. There is also the fact that Gene has what WebVideo/{{Bobsheaux}} claimed is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2egaTGOwE#t=11m00s "probably the most depressing character motivation I've ever heard in my life."]] Add to it that WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter said that it doesn’t remind him of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'', or even ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', but it actually reminded him of the Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg films, which are {{Shallow Parod|y}}ies notorious for being unfunny.



* The original version of ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'' was a much darker story, where the predator/prey tension was exemplified by requiring predators to wear shock collars to keep their primitive, savage ways under control. While the creative team tried to present the existence of shock collars in a lighter, comedic tone, the audience during internal viewings kept reporting that they didn't ''want'' the city to survive the movie's conflict because of the way it was treating a portion of its citizens. The creators took the advice and removed the shock collars from the story and instead focused on social bias, prejudice and stereotyping as the source of tension between predator and prey.

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* The original version of ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'' was a much darker story, where the predator/prey tension was exemplified by requiring predators to wear shock collars to keep their primitive, savage ways under control. While the creative team tried to present the existence of shock collars in a lighter, comedic tone, the audience during internal viewings kept reporting that they didn't ''want'' the city to survive the movie's conflict because of the way it was treating a portion of its citizens. The creators took the advice and removed the shock collars from the story and instead focused on social bias, prejudice and stereotyping as the source of tension between predator and prey.

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