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** Ironically, Sasuke is also hit with this on the other side of the spectrum, namely when he [[MindRape Mind Rapes]] Sakura into an illusion of death that is meant to be a heartless KickTheDog moment from him but given that previously Sakura tries to confess her feelings for Sasuke ''again'' despite having millions of reasons she should move on from him (The very fact that she confesses after his MotiveRant to TakeOverTheWorld makes this even more prominent), Sasuke basically has every right to call her an annoying whore who couldn't even stood up for herself.

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** Ironically, Sasuke is also hit with this on the other side of the spectrum, namely when he [[MindRape Mind Rapes]] Sakura into an illusion of death that is meant to be a heartless KickTheDog moment from him but given that previously Sakura tries to confess her feelings for Sasuke ''again'' despite having millions of reasons she should move on from him (The very fact that she confesses after his MotiveRant to TakeOverTheWorld makes this even more prominent), Sasuke basically has every right to call her an annoying whore who couldn't even stood up for herself.annoying.


* The dragon prince paints dark magic as evil but it functions mostly on killing bugs. This is never stated, even when good characters defend dark magic. Dark magic can potentially save lives with only caterpillars as a sacrifice, but this is also never stated.

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* The dragon prince ''WesternAnimation/TheDragonPrince'' paints dark magic as evil but it functions mostly on killing bugs. This is never stated, even when good characters defend dark magic. Dark magic can potentially save lives with only caterpillars as a sacrifice, but this is also never stated.

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* The dragon prince paints dark magic as evil but it functions mostly on killing bugs. This is never stated, even when good characters defend dark magic. Dark magic can potentially save lives with only caterpillars as a sacrifice, but this is also never stated.


* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where ComicBook/TheJoker is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':
-->'''Jason Todd:''' Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled. I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt.\\

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' Franchise/{{Batman}}'s one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where ComicBook/TheJoker is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum Asylum's status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and the fact that countless lives would undeniably be safe safer without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of either HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':
-->'''Jason Todd:''' Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly Blindly, stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled. I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt.\\



'''Jason Todd:''' ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion Why]]?'' I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent. I'm talking about him. Just him. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.\\

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'''Jason Todd:''' ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion Why]]?'' Why?]]'' I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent. I'm talking about him. Just him. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.\\

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* ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' is infamous for the fact that far too many episodes involve "antagonists" whose only real crime is to have views, opinions or beliefs that differ to the near-caricature GoodOldBoys mentality of Hank Hill. Some examples include the man who makes a very comfortable living by picking up animal feces in novel ways and who offers to take Bobby on as his apprentice, and the Christian youth group pastor who tries to make Christianity more inviting to the youth by showing it doesn't need to be stodgy, allowing the youths under his care to have skateboarding lessons and listen to New Rock. Invariably, some ham-handed way to make Hank "right" for opposing these people is presented.


* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] than him. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That beginning, that [[HeWhoFightsMonsters she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] no better than him.him]]. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.


* Franchise/WonderWoman killing Maxwell Lord. Lord was busily trying to bring about small-scale Armageddon, had control of one of the most powerful beings on Earth, was using that control to have Superman beat Batman to death, and himself said, while under the Lasso of Truth, that killing him was the only way to stop him. Despite this, everyone in-universe acts like Wonder Woman killed him in cold blood for jaywalking, and since DC has a fairly strong tradition of Killing Is Always Wrong, it's heavily implied we're supposed to think this of her too. Unlike other examples of this trope, Wonder Woman is absolutely candid about what she did, including the fact that she considered herself completely justified due to the extraordinary circumstances. And she is also willing- even eager- to stand trial for it. (She is acquitted).

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* Franchise/WonderWoman killing Maxwell Lord. Lord was busily trying to bring about small-scale Armageddon, had control of one of the most powerful beings on Earth, was using that control to have Superman beat Batman to death, and himself said, while under the Lasso of Truth, that killing him was the only way to stop him. Despite this, everyone in-universe acts like Wonder Woman killed him in cold blood for jaywalking, and since DC has a fairly strong tradition of Killing Is Always Wrong, ThouShallNotKill, it's heavily implied we're supposed to think this of her too. Unlike other examples of this trope, Wonder Woman is absolutely candid about what she did, including the fact that she considered herself completely justified due to the extraordinary circumstances. And she is also willing- even eager- to stand trial for it. (She is acquitted).acquitted.)



* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where ComicBook/TheJoker is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where ComicBook/TheJoker is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':


* In ''Franchise/YuGiOh'', anytime a duelist sacrifices their own monster to progress their duel, they are often chastised by the heroes for being heartless of their own monsters. Most famously, Yami Yugi sacrificing his monsters for Catapult Turtle's effect in order to defeat Raphael is supposed to be seen as a sign of MoralEventHorizon. The problem is the fact Duel Monsters, for all [[SeriousBusiness intents and purposes]], is still just a game, and sacrificing is a critical part of the gameplay, especially during the early era. Not to mention that since he couldn't attack due to Swords of Revealing Light, what else could he do? By the time three turns have passed, Raphael could have probably drawn a winning card that could end up defeating the Pharaoh, thus he has no other choice but to finish him off as soon as possible to prevent such an incident from happening. And he's used Catapult Turtle several times before without it being mentioned. Hell, in his rematch with Raphael, he uses Brave Attack (a card that destroys your own monsters), and Raphael even points out that it's basically the same thing as last time, but Yami Yugi claims that this time, he's doing it because of unity or something despite the two cards being functionally identical in terms of what they do.

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* In ''Franchise/YuGiOh'', anytime a duelist sacrifices their own monster to progress their duel, they are often chastised by the heroes for being heartless of to their own monsters. Most famously, Yami Yugi sacrificing his monsters for Catapult Turtle's effect in order to defeat Raphael is supposed to be seen as a sign of MoralEventHorizon. The problem is the fact Duel Monsters, for all [[SeriousBusiness intents and purposes]], is still just a game, and sacrificing is a critical part of the gameplay, especially during the early era. Not to mention that since he couldn't attack due to Swords of Revealing Light, what else could he do? By the time three turns have passed, Raphael could have probably drawn a winning card that could end up defeating the Pharaoh, thus he has no other choice but to finish him off as soon as possible to prevent such an incident from happening. And he's used Catapult Turtle several times before without it being mentioned. Hell, in his rematch with Raphael, he uses Brave Attack (a card that destroys your own monsters), and Raphael even points out that it's basically the same thing as last time, but Yami Yugi claims that this time, he's doing it because of unity or something despite the two cards being functionally identical in terms of what they do.



* In ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' the main characters, known as ''Night Raid'' are an assassination group who are on a mission to overthrow TheEmpire and are wanted criminals as a result. They don't even try to justify their actions either and flat out admit that they are straight up killers for hire. The series ''tries'' to paint the conflict between the rebellion and the empire as GrayAndGreyMorality; However, TheEmpire is the embodiment of a CrapsackWorld. The nobles constantly kill and/or rape any women they get their hands on. The strongest soldier they have is a NobleDemon, but rather than do anything about the obviously troubled world she perpetuates it because she prefers the violence and destruction that come with rebellions against the empire. Any attempt at changing things from within the empire diplomatically has led to said individuals being killed. And the one who's the mastermind behind all of this is the ObviouslyEvil Prime Minister who is using his influence over the emperor to get away with it. Its pretty hard ''not'' to side with Night Raid's methods given the above; Its not even like they kill indiscriminately either as they verify if their targets actually committed any crimes or not, yet most characters they kill are quick to call them out on their actions as if ''they're'' the evil ones.

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* In ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' the main characters, known as ''Night Raid'' Raid'', are an assassination group who are on a mission to overthrow TheEmpire and are wanted criminals as a result. They don't even try to justify their actions either and flat out admit that they are straight up killers for hire. The series ''tries'' to paint the conflict between the rebellion and the empire as GrayAndGreyMorality; However, GrayAndGreyMorality, but TheEmpire is the embodiment of a CrapsackWorld. The nobles constantly kill and/or rape any women they get their hands on. The strongest soldier they have is a NobleDemon, but rather than do anything about the obviously troubled world she perpetuates it because she prefers the violence and destruction that come with rebellions against the empire. Any attempt at changing things from within the empire diplomatically has led to said individuals being killed. And the one who's the mastermind behind all of this is the ObviouslyEvil Prime Minister who is using his influence over the emperor to get away with it. Its It's pretty hard ''not'' to side with Night Raid's methods given the above; Its it's not even like they kill indiscriminately either as they verify if their targets actually committed any crimes or not, yet most characters they kill are quick to call them out on their actions as if ''they're'' the evil ones.


--> '''Jason Todd:''' Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled. I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt.
--> '''Batman:''' You don't undertstand. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I'll never come back]].
--> '''Jason Todd:''' ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion Why]]?'' I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent. I'm talking about him. Just him. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.
--> '''Batman:''' ...I can't. I'm sorry.

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--> '''Jason -->'''Jason Todd:''' Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled. I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt. \n--> \\
'''Batman:''' You don't undertstand.understand. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I'll never come back]].
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back]].\\
'''Jason Todd:''' ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion Why]]?'' I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent. I'm talking about him. Just him. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.
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you.\\
'''Batman:''' ...I can't. I'm sorry.


* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' gives us Terra's struggle with his Darkness, which is supposed to be a massive IronicEcho between him and Riku. However, whereas Riku willingly accepted Darkness in the original ''Kingdom Hearts'', Terra actually has it forced upon him [[note]]While he's never been Darkness-free, it never actually becomes a problem until Master Xehanort tampers with it during Terra's Mark of Mastery exam.[[/note]]. Furthermore, while Riku clearly started JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope during the course of the original game, Terra's only known crime -- allegedly stealing Aurora's Heart via the power of Darkness -- is actually the combined fault of Maleficent and Master Xehanort for temporarily invoking BrainwashedAndCrazy on him. Additionally, Riku deliberately attacked Sora and co. out of anger and arrogance, whereas Terra only willingly resorts to Darkness as a self-defensive last resort against Braig, Eraqus, Xehanort, etc. And yet Riku ended up being the much luckier one, being able to start redeeming himself immediately after the original game; Terra, meanwhile, ends up receiving a far longer-lasting FateWorseThanDeath -- which many fans just see as blatant DisproportionateRetribution for events largely out of his control to begin with -- and he's still MIA as of ''Dream Drop Distance''.

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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' gives us Terra's struggle with his Darkness, which is supposed to be a massive IronicEcho between him and Riku. However, whereas Riku willingly accepted Darkness in the original ''Kingdom Hearts'', Terra actually has it forced upon him him. [[note]]While he's never been Darkness-free, it never actually becomes a problem until Master Xehanort tampers with it during Terra's Mark of Mastery exam.[[/note]]. [[/note]] Furthermore, while Riku clearly started JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope during the course of the original game, Terra's only known crime -- allegedly stealing Aurora's Heart via the power of Darkness -- is actually the combined fault of Maleficent and Master Xehanort for temporarily invoking BrainwashedAndCrazy on him. Additionally, Riku deliberately attacked Sora and co. out of anger and arrogance, whereas Terra only willingly resorts to Darkness as a self-defensive last resort against Braig, Eraqus, Xehanort, etc. And yet Riku ended up being the much luckier one, being able to start redeeming himself immediately after the original game; Terra, meanwhile, ends up receiving a far longer-lasting FateWorseThanDeath -- which many fans just see as blatant DisproportionateRetribution for events largely out of his control to begin with -- and he's still MIA as of ''Dream Drop Distance''.



* [[PlayerCharacter Cpt. Martin Walker]] in ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'' [[TragicMistake inadvertently crosses the line]] when he [[spoiler:uses white phosphorus on enemy soldiers, horribly killing the many civilians it's revealed they were protecting in the process]]. Walker is ultimately portrayed ([[WhatTheHellHero and called out]]) as [[NeverMyFault refusing to accept his mistake]] when he claims [[IDidWhatIHadToDo he had no other choice]], but do to GameplayAndStorySegregation, he's right. There is no way to learn about [[spoiler:the civilians]] beforehand, and enemies will [[RespawningEnemies infinitely respawn]] until they kill you or you use [[spoiler:the white phosphorus]], so you can't defeat them without the collateral. This and the other "evil" things you do are rationalizable as self-defense, as [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption no peaceful alternative options exist]] [[spoiler:until the ending]]. The developers responded to the criticism by saying there is a peaceful option; stop playing the game, which is obviously not a viable option in-universe.

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* [[PlayerCharacter Cpt. Martin Walker]] in ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'' [[TragicMistake inadvertently crosses the line]] when he [[spoiler:uses white phosphorus on enemy soldiers, horribly killing the many civilians it's revealed they were protecting in the process]]. Walker is ultimately portrayed ([[WhatTheHellHero and called out]]) as [[NeverMyFault refusing to accept his mistake]] when he claims [[IDidWhatIHadToDo he had no other choice]], but do due to GameplayAndStorySegregation, he's right. There is no way to learn about [[spoiler:the civilians]] beforehand, and enemies will [[RespawningEnemies infinitely respawn]] until they kill you or you use [[spoiler:the white phosphorus]], so you can't defeat them without the collateral. This and the other "evil" things you do are rationalizable as self-defense, as [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption no peaceful alternative options exist]] [[spoiler:until the ending]]. The developers responded to the criticism by saying there is a peaceful option; stop playing the game, which is obviously not a viable option in-universe.


* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBeseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] than him. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBeseria'' ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] than him. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBeseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] than him. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Marge Be Not Proud" presents Bart's shoplifting as above and beyond his usual prankery, but at this point in the series he's already smashed all the windows in Mr. Burns' mansion, been involved with the Mob, and been expelled from school for massive property damage at least once.


* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where [[CompleteMonster The Joker]] is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where [[CompleteMonster The Joker]] ComicBook/TheJoker is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where [[CompleteMonster The Joker]] is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':
--> '''Jason Todd:''' Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled. I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt.
--> '''Batman:''' You don't undertstand. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I'll never come back]].
--> '''Jason Todd:''' ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion Why]]?'' I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent. I'm talking about him. Just him. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.
--> '''Batman:''' ...I can't. I'm sorry.

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