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As always, it is important to remember that Administrivia/TropesAreTools. It ''can'' be taken to an extreme, where the choices are between Pure Evil and [[DesignatedHero Good Because the Writers Say So]]. This can make the protagonist difficult to sympathize with and lead to DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.
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* Literature/TheBible can be depicted this way in fanon, see GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, with either side depicted as the "gray".


* The Kori No Tatakai in Myth/JapaneseMythology is a battle between two groups of {{Youkai}}: the ChaoticEvil Kitsune and the ChaoticNeutral [[TheTrickster trickster]] Tanuki.

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* The Kori No Tatakai in Myth/JapaneseMythology is a battle between two groups of {{Youkai}}: the ChaoticEvil Kitsune ChaoticEvil-type {{Kitsune}} and the ChaoticNeutral [[TheTrickster trickster]] Tanuki.ChaoticNeutral-type {{Tanuki}}.


* In {{WebVideo/Jreg}},Ancap is a sleazy businessman who purchases child sex slaves and owns recreational nukes, in addition to being a wealthy snob, and he is the only one of the extremists who refuses to kill his moderate counterpart.

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* In {{WebVideo/Jreg}},Ancap ''Machinima/HalfLifeButTheAIIsSelfAware'', in one corner you have the Science Team, a group of dangerously unhinged and amoral weirdos who range from merely odd to downright psychotic who, whether accidentally or intentionally, kill any civilians they run across without fail, and even Tommy and Gordon, the most traditionally heroic of them, have moments of amorality and [[AxCrazy Ax Craziness]], but have redeeming qualities, genuinely care about each other, and will at least try on occasion to save the civilians they run across, even if they always fail and wind up killing them themselves. In the other hand, you have the US Military, a bunch of idiots whose strategies consist of killing every civilian they run across and even their own men and [[spoiler:may have sold out humanity to an EldritchAbomination]], the aliens, who are AlwaysChaoticEvil and attack everything on sight for no reason, and the BigBad [[spoiler:Benrey, a delusional EldritchAbomination MadGod who also acts like a total {{Jerkass}} and tries to destroy the world because he didn't get to play on the PlayStationPlus.]]
* In {{WebVideo/Jreg}}, Ancap
is a sleazy businessman who purchases child sex slaves and owns recreational nukes, in addition to being a wealthy snob, and he is the only one of the extremists who refuses to kill his moderate counterpart.



* In ''HalfLifeButTheAIIsSelfAware'', in one corner you have the Science Team, a group of dangerously unhinged and amoral weirdos who range from merely odd to downright psychotic who, whether accidentally or intentionally, kill any civilians they run across without fail, and even Tommy and Gordon, the most traditionally heroic of them, have moments of amorality and [[AxCrazy Ax Craziness]], but have redeeming qualities, genuinely care about each other, and will at least try on occasion to save the civilians they run across, even if they always fail and wind up killing them themselves. In the other hand, you have the US Military, a bunch of idiots whose strategies consist of killing every civilian they run across and even their own men and [[spoiler:may have sold out humanity to an EldritchAbomination]], the aliens, who are AlwaysChaoticEvil and attack everything on sight for no reason, and the BigBad [[spoiler:Benrey, a delusional EldritchAbomination MadGod who also acts like a total {{Jerkass}} and tries to destroy the world because he didn't get to play on the PlayStationPlus.]]

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* In ''Theatre/{{Agrippina}}'', Agrippina is the EvilMatriarch in the story, but other characters, save for Otho (who is more a pawn than a player), are far from being the paragons of virtue. Claudius is a weak-willed adulterer, Poppea is a manipulative flirt, Nero is a RoyalBrat and tyrant in the making, and Narcissus and Pallas are [[ProfessionalButtKisser Professional Butt-Kissers]].


* ''Franchise/{{MarvelUniverse}}'': The villains tend to be straight up bad guys most of the time while the heroes genuinely heroic and noble tend to have infighting, personal problems and personal issues that gets in their way half of the time. Some of them tend to have bad publicity such as ComicBook/{{Spider Man}} and ComicBook/{{X-Men}}.

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* ''Franchise/{{MarvelUniverse}}'': The villains tend to be straight up bad guys most of the time while the heroes genuinely heroic and noble tend to have infighting, personal problems and personal issues that gets in their way half of the time. Some of them tend to have bad publicity such as ComicBook/{{Spider Man}} and ComicBook/{{X-Men}}.ComicBook/{{X Men}}.


* ''ComicBook''/{{Batman}}: While most of the heroes tend to be more straight up heroic and try not to commit morally questionable acts unless they have to, Batman has no problems doing that and while he is better than most of his rogues gallery, tends to have problems such as trusting issues, being too harsh and using brutal methods to get what he needs to stop them while keeping to his no-killing rule most of the time.

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* ''ComicBook''/{{Batman}}: ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'': While most of the heroes tend to be more straight up heroic and try not to commit morally questionable acts unless they have to, Batman has no problems doing that and while he is better than most of his rogues gallery, tends to have problems such as trusting issues, being too harsh and using brutal methods to get what he needs to stop them while keeping to his no-killing rule most of the time.

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* ''ComicBook''/{{Batman}}: While most of the heroes tend to be more straight up heroic and try not to commit morally questionable acts unless they have to, Batman has no problems doing that and while he is better than most of his rogues gallery, tends to have problems such as trusting issues, being too harsh and using brutal methods to get what he needs to stop them while keeping to his no-killing rule most of the time.


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* ''Franchise/{{MarvelUniverse}}'': The villains tend to be straight up bad guys most of the time while the heroes genuinely heroic and noble tend to have infighting, personal problems and personal issues that gets in their way half of the time. Some of them tend to have bad publicity such as ComicBook/{{Spider Man}} and ComicBook/{{X-Men}}.


* In ''WebAnimation/TheFrolloShow'', nearly every major character is a bitter, rude and neutral individual. The titular protagonist is widely considered to be [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame one of the most despicable villains ever to appear in a Disney film]], as well as an extremely perverted, manipulative and brutish person on the show, but he also saves Paris from [[ZombieApocalypse a horde of zombies]], and he [[HeroicSacrifice heroically sacrifices]] himself to destroy a nuclear device his Arabian cousin was planning to detonate over America (he gets better). His best friend [[WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast Gaston]] is an arrogant, childish JerkJock who blasts a guy's head off for giving him 9.8 instead of 10 points in a contest. [[Anime/PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt Panty and Stocking]] are... well, [[AntiHero Panty]] [[SirSwearsALot and]] [[ReallyGetsAround Stocking]]. The people they fight are, amazingly, even worse than they are.

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* In ''WebAnimation/TheFrolloShow'', {{WebVideo/Jreg}},Ancap is a sleazy businessman who purchases child sex slaves and owns recreational nukes, in addition to being a wealthy snob, and he is the only one of the extremists who refuses to kill his moderate counterpart.
* In''WebAnimation/TheFrolloShow'',
nearly every major character is a bitter, rude and neutral individual. The titular protagonist is widely considered to be [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame one of the most despicable villains ever to appear in a Disney film]], as well as an extremely perverted, manipulative and brutish person on the show, but he also saves Paris from [[ZombieApocalypse a horde of zombies]], and he [[HeroicSacrifice heroically sacrifices]] himself to destroy a nuclear device his Arabian cousin was planning to detonate over America (he gets better). His best friend [[WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast Gaston]] is an arrogant, childish JerkJock who blasts a guy's head off for giving him 9.8 instead of 10 points in a contest. [[Anime/PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt Panty and Stocking]] are... well, [[AntiHero Panty]] [[SirSwearsALot and]] [[ReallyGetsAround Stocking]]. The people they fight are, amazingly, even worse than they are.


* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' goes perfectly with this trope, especially after the movie.

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* While the main heroes ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' are good people, the overall Autobot/Decepticon conflict is frequently shown in this light: Ultra Magnus is OK with lying to the public if he thinks it will protect the peace, someone like [[{{Jerkass}} Sentinel Prime]] is a [[TheNeidermeyer high ranking officer]] while [[TheHero Optimus]] is [[AlmightyJanitor a space bridge repairman]], and they won the great war by [[spoiler:creating an Autobot as a superweapon and making him deliberately unintelligent so he doesn't question his own destructive actions]]. Meanwhile the Decepticons are [[AbsoluteXenophobe universally hostile to all other forms of life]], are more than happy to manipulate potential allies and scrap them when they finish serving their purpose, and field test [=WMDs=] in populated civilian territories out of petty revenge.

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* While the main heroes ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' are good people, the overall Autobot/Decepticon conflict is frequently shown in this light: as one morally-flawed group fighting an outright evil one: Ultra Magnus is OK with lying to the public if he thinks it will protect the peace, someone like [[{{Jerkass}} Sentinel Prime]] is a [[TheNeidermeyer high ranking officer]] while [[TheHero Optimus]] is [[AlmightyJanitor a space bridge repairman]], and they won the great war by [[spoiler:creating an Autobot as a superweapon and making him deliberately unintelligent so he doesn't question his own destructive actions]]. Meanwhile the Decepticons are [[AbsoluteXenophobe universally hostile to all other forms of life]], are more than happy to manipulate potential allies and scrap them when they finish serving their purpose, and field test [=WMDs=] in populated civilian territories out of petty revenge.


* While the main cast of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' seems to be mostly good, the overall Autobot/Decepticon conflict is frequently shown in this light: Ultra Magnus is OK with lying to the public if he thinks it will protect the peace, someone like [[{{Jerkass}} Sentinel Prime]] is a [[TheNeidermeyer high ranking officer]] while [[TheHero Optimus]] is [[AlmightyJanitor a space bridge repairman]], and they won the great war by [[spoiler:creating an Autobot as a superweapon and making him deliberately unintelligent so he doesn't question his own destructive actions]]. Meanwhile the Decepticons are [[AbsoluteXenophobe universally hostile to all other forms of life]], are more than happy to manipulate potential allies and scrap them when they finish serving their purpose, and field test [=WMDs=] in populated civilian territories out of petty revenge.

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* While the main cast of heroes ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' seems to be mostly good, are good people, the overall Autobot/Decepticon conflict is frequently shown in this light: Ultra Magnus is OK with lying to the public if he thinks it will protect the peace, someone like [[{{Jerkass}} Sentinel Prime]] is a [[TheNeidermeyer high ranking officer]] while [[TheHero Optimus]] is [[AlmightyJanitor a space bridge repairman]], and they won the great war by [[spoiler:creating an Autobot as a superweapon and making him deliberately unintelligent so he doesn't question his own destructive actions]]. Meanwhile the Decepticons are [[AbsoluteXenophobe universally hostile to all other forms of life]], are more than happy to manipulate potential allies and scrap them when they finish serving their purpose, and field test [=WMDs=] in populated civilian territories out of petty revenge.

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* In ''HalfLifeButTheAIIsSelfAware'', in one corner you have the Science Team, a group of dangerously unhinged and amoral weirdos who range from merely odd to downright psychotic who, whether accidentally or intentionally, kill any civilians they run across without fail, and even Tommy and Gordon, the most traditionally heroic of them, have moments of amorality and [[AxCrazy Ax Craziness]], but have redeeming qualities, genuinely care about each other, and will at least try on occasion to save the civilians they run across, even if they always fail and wind up killing them themselves. In the other hand, you have the US Military, a bunch of idiots whose strategies consist of killing every civilian they run across and even their own men and [[spoiler:may have sold out humanity to an EldritchAbomination]], the aliens, who are AlwaysChaoticEvil and attack everything on sight for no reason, and the BigBad [[spoiler:Benrey, a delusional EldritchAbomination MadGod who also acts like a total {{Jerkass}} and tries to destroy the world because he didn't get to play on the PlayStationPlus.]]

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* About the only positive thing you can say about Andrew Johnson in ''Podcast/EighteenSixtyFive'' is that he opposed succession in his native Tennessee, and remained loyal to the Union. Edwin Stanton and his cause of opposing Johnson are clearly on the right-side of history, but his isnít above using questionable methods and underhanded tactics to achieve his goals.
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* The New Earth Government from ''FanFic/AeonNatumEngel'' and ''FanFic/AeonEntelechyEvangelion'' is much, much more ruthless than its ''TabletopGame/CthulhuTech'' counterpart, and the Migou have a very good reason for invading Earth.
* FanFic/AlexandraQuick runs on this about half the time (usually whenever John Manuelito is involved). The rest of the time it's GreyAndGreyMorality.

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* The New Earth Government from ''FanFic/AeonNatumEngel'' ''Fanfic/AeonNatumEngel'' and ''FanFic/AeonEntelechyEvangelion'' ''Fanfic/AeonEntelechyEvangelion'' is much, much more ruthless than its ''TabletopGame/CthulhuTech'' counterpart, and the Migou have a very good reason for invading Earth.
* FanFic/AlexandraQuick ''Fanfic/AlexandraQuick'' runs on this about half the time (usually whenever John Manuelito is involved). The rest of the time it's GreyAndGreyMorality.



* ''FanFic/{{Embers}}'' has [[LawfulNeutral Zuko]], who admits he's 'no good at being good,' even in the original series [[spoiler:and is willing to hang Aang out to dry, and he isn't going to even try to prevent a genocide of his own people because even he admits that they deserve it]]. Then there's [[TheHero Aang]], who is well-intentioned but does a lot of stuff that should have killed him and his friends in the series: HanlonsRazor is true because ignorance can do just as much damage, or more, as malice. The closest thing to an unambiguously good guy may be Kuei, who still [[spoiler:ordered the Dai Li to set fires in civilian homes, traps in streets and so on as part of the Ba Sing Se resistance]] because this is war and he's the Earth King. In contrast to them, there's [[MindRape Azula]], who deserves her own content warning, but still has nothing on the BigBad and his allies, whose plans constitute a [[spoiler:ZombieApocalypse]] and horribly painful deaths in the works for anyone unlucky enough to survive the various genocidal wars they've stirred up over the millennia.

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* ''FanFic/{{Embers}}'' ''Fanfic/{{Embers}}'' has [[LawfulNeutral Zuko]], who admits he's 'no good at being good,' even in the original series [[spoiler:and is willing to hang Aang out to dry, and he isn't going to even try to prevent a genocide of his own people because even he admits that they deserve it]]. Then there's [[TheHero Aang]], who is well-intentioned but does a lot of stuff that should have killed him and his friends in the series: HanlonsRazor is true because ignorance can do just as much damage, or more, as malice. The closest thing to an unambiguously good guy may be Kuei, who still [[spoiler:ordered the Dai Li to set fires in civilian homes, traps in streets and so on as part of the Ba Sing Se resistance]] because this is war and he's the Earth King. In contrast to them, there's [[MindRape Azula]], who deserves her own content warning, but still has nothing on the BigBad and his allies, whose plans constitute a [[spoiler:ZombieApocalypse]] and horribly painful deaths in the works for anyone unlucky enough to survive the various genocidal wars they've stirred up over the millennia.



* ''FanFic/{{Exoria}}'' has the nation of Valent conducting a surprise invasion of both Hyrule and Gerudo. It is implied through the [[FictionalDocument Exoria Files]], however, that neither Hyrule nor Gerudo are exactly "white", though, and hints have been dropped insinauting that Valent may have a very good reason for launching a continent-wide invasion.
* The ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' fanfic ''Fanfic/FamilyTies'' starts out seemingly GreyAndGrayMorality--most of the combatants don't want to be there and the only really major offence is the [[spoiler:sneak attack and consequent hijacking of Northern Ireland]]. It rapidly darkens, however, with [[spoiler:Russia and China torturing Scotland into unresponsiveness, New Zealand being tortured through solitary confinement, and the "good guys" torturing Ukraine and starting a nuclear war]].

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* ''FanFic/{{Exoria}}'' ''Fanfic/{{Exoria}}'' has the nation of Valent conducting a surprise invasion of both Hyrule and Gerudo. It is implied through the [[FictionalDocument Exoria Files]], however, that neither Hyrule nor Gerudo are exactly "white", though, and hints have been dropped insinauting that Valent may have a very good reason for launching a continent-wide invasion.
* The ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' ''Webcomic/HetaliaAxisPowers'' fanfic ''Fanfic/FamilyTies'' starts out seemingly GreyAndGrayMorality--most of the combatants don't want to be there and the only really major offence is the [[spoiler:sneak attack and consequent hijacking of Northern Ireland]]. It rapidly darkens, however, with [[spoiler:Russia and China torturing Scotland into unresponsiveness, New Zealand being tortured through solitary confinement, and the "good guys" torturing Ukraine and starting a nuclear war]].



* ''FanFic/ProfessorArc'': The conflict between Jaune and Cinder. The latter is a vile sociopath willing to commit murder and mayhem for personal gain. The former has lied his way into a teaching job, has made deals with criminals, and is willing to manipulate his co-workers, but nevertheless, wants to protect his co-workers from Cinder's machinations.
* ''FanFic/TheRiseOfDarthVulcan'': Darth Vulcan is a {{Jerkass}} criminal who has made lives of the Ponyville residents a living hell. But he does a have a code of honor, and his other opponents, like [[BadBoss Big Boss]], [[spoiler: [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Chrysalis]], and [[EvilOverlord Sombra]]]] make him into a saint. Averted with his conflict with the Mane 6. They do make mistakes in dealing with him, but they are trying to protect themselves and are in fact trying to save Vulcan from the power he is abusing.
* ''FanFic/ShatteredReflection'': In stark contrast to the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening original.]] Aside from a few exceptions (namely Chrom, Lissa, and Emmeryn), everyone on the Shepherds and the forces of good have plenty of characteristics that could be considered unflattering, at best. Most of them are [[FantasticRacism racist,]] [[KnightTemplar judgmental, fanatical,]] or just plain old [[LawfulStupid stupid.]] Nonetheless, they at least have moral centers to balance out their flaws and are genuinely seeking to do good, even if they don't always get it right. Unlike the BigBad [[EldritchAbomination Grima.]]

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* ''FanFic/ProfessorArc'': ''Fanfic/ProfessorArc'': The conflict between Jaune and Cinder. The latter is a vile sociopath willing to commit murder and mayhem for personal gain. The former has lied his way into a teaching job, has made deals with criminals, and is willing to manipulate his co-workers, but nevertheless, wants to protect his co-workers from Cinder's machinations.
* ''FanFic/TheRiseOfDarthVulcan'': ''Fanfic/TheRiseOfDarthVulcan'': Darth Vulcan is a {{Jerkass}} criminal who has made lives of the Ponyville residents a living hell. But he does a have a code of honor, and his other opponents, like [[BadBoss Big Boss]], [[spoiler: [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Chrysalis]], and [[EvilOverlord Sombra]]]] make him into a saint. Averted with his conflict with the Mane 6. They do make mistakes in dealing with him, but they are trying to protect themselves and are in fact trying to save Vulcan from the power he is abusing.
* ''FanFic/ShatteredReflection'': ''Fanfic/ShatteredReflection'': In stark contrast to the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening original.]] Aside from a few exceptions (namely Chrom, Lissa, and Emmeryn), everyone on the Shepherds and the forces of good have plenty of characteristics that could be considered unflattering, at best. Most of them are [[FantasticRacism racist,]] [[KnightTemplar judgmental, fanatical,]] or just plain old [[LawfulStupid stupid.]] Nonetheless, they at least have moral centers to balance out their flaws and are genuinely seeking to do good, even if they don't always get it right. Unlike the BigBad [[EldritchAbomination Grima.]]



* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' pretty much runs entirely on this. On one side you have a slave-holding, repressive, reactionary [[TheEmpire empire]] run by TheLegionsOfHell -- that [[BreadAndCircuses nonetheless does many]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure good things for its people]]. On the other side are the Angels, who are TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized ''at best''. And GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, "Satan" being a [[ManipulativeBastard scheming]] [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]], and "God" being a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist]] AxCrazy sociopath. And then there's the malevolent EldritchAbomination, the genocidal two-tailed android fox (and his legion of cannibalistic android clones), omnicidal AbusivePrecursors, the Metarex, and of course [[MadScientist Dr. Eggman]] just to make things even more shitty. Even several of the lighter characters are quite grey--Eric and his friends eventually resort to piracy in order to replenish their supplies. Several of the saner Angel leaders aren't clean either; Jesus holds some [[UnfortunateImplications very]]...[[DeliberateValuesDissonance questionable]] views on homosexuals, though he's depicted more sympathetically than his fellow Angels.

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* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'' pretty much runs entirely on this. On one side you have a slave-holding, repressive, reactionary [[TheEmpire empire]] run by TheLegionsOfHell -- that [[BreadAndCircuses nonetheless does many]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure good things for its people]]. On the other side are the Angels, who are TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized ''at best''. And GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, "Satan" being a [[ManipulativeBastard scheming]] [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]], and "God" being a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist]] AxCrazy sociopath. And then there's the malevolent EldritchAbomination, the genocidal two-tailed android fox (and his legion of cannibalistic android clones), omnicidal AbusivePrecursors, the Metarex, and of course [[MadScientist Dr. Eggman]] just to make things even more shitty. Even several of the lighter characters are quite grey--Eric and his friends eventually resort to piracy in order to replenish their supplies. Several of the saner Angel leaders aren't clean either; Jesus holds some [[UnfortunateImplications very]]...[[DeliberateValuesDissonance questionable]] views on homosexuals, though he's depicted more sympathetically than his fellow Angels.



* ''FanFic/ThousandShinji'' sees Shinji doing nasty things in defence of or as revenge for wrongs done to his friends, but compared to what Gendo or the SEELE men have done he is much preferable. Also, he does not damage innocent people and he has displayed some sympathetic traits, so he is an AntiHero or AntiVillain.

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* ''FanFic/ThousandShinji'' ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'' sees Shinji doing nasty things in defence of or as revenge for wrongs done to his friends, but compared to what Gendo or the SEELE men have done he is much preferable. Also, he does not damage innocent people and he has displayed some sympathetic traits, so he is an AntiHero or AntiVillain.

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