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* ''Poopsie Slime Surprise'' is a girl-oriented blind-bag slime making kit that's focused on excrement. The aesthetics are done too much in a TastesLikeDiabetes fashion to be considered a complete [[GrossoutShow Gross-Out Toy]], and there are unicorn dolls that make the slime (guess how) that go to UncannyValley territory and are almost [[Toys/{{Bratz}} Bratz Babyz]] lookalikes.[[note]]The fact they're both made by MGA Entertainment might have something to do with this.[[/note]] In the end, you're trying to ask yourself [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs what the hell the creators were on]] when they were developing this.

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* ''Poopsie Slime Surprise'' ''Toys/{{Poopsie}}'' is a girl-oriented blind-bag slime making kit that's focused on excrement. The aesthetics are done too much in a TastesLikeDiabetes fashion to be considered a complete [[GrossoutShow Gross-Out Toy]], and there are unicorn dolls that make the slime (guess how) that go to UncannyValley territory and are almost [[Toys/{{Bratz}} Bratz Babyz]] lookalikes.[[note]]The fact they're both made by MGA Entertainment might have something to do with this.[[/note]] In the end, you're trying to ask yourself [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs what the hell the creators were on]] when they were developing this.


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* ''WesternAnimation/BigMouth'' is a show about characters going through puberty, not being the least coy about exploring sexuality and its development. The concept alone has made it severely polarizing, [[PaedoHunt several people accusing it of being child pornography]]. Likewise, its artstyle has been deemed visually unappealing (presumably done on purpose to avoid arousing ephebophiles), which didn't help smooth things over. Post-release it has found some favorable reviews, but even then the show remains very contentious and even those who like it admit the former problems are still prevalent.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' could be [[TropeCodifier this trope's codifier for the medium]]. It revolves around a StrawCritic -- [[ThisLoserIsYou a fat, bald, acerbic, whiny loser]] -- but portrays him sympathetically as often as not, particularly regarding his struggle against his boss's and popular culture's AntiIntellectualism. The second season is LighterAndSofter; Jay gets a romantic interest with a CousinOliver attached. To the show's credit, it maintains its high level of humor and benefits from the more varied character dynamics the new arrivals allow. But even at the time, fans of the show knew it was TooGoodToLast; on ABC in Season 1 it didn't fit in with any of the network's "wacky family" comedies, and when it made its ChannelHop for Fox in Season 2 it would be ScrewedByTheNetwork.
* Creator/DisneyChannel's ''WesternAnimation/TheBuzzOnMaggie'', while generally liked by most of the people that watched it (a select few of which consider it a legit Main/CultClassic while most of the others merely consider it Main/SoOkayItsAverage), is an extremely (in fact, probably parodically) stereotypical Main/SliceOfLife tween sitcom aimed at little girls ([[MisaimedMarketing naturally a crowd known for being rather squeamish to put it]] ''[[UpToEleven lightly]]'') that [[GrossOutShow takes place in an overflowing garbage dump infested with sentient anthropomorphic flies and various other types of insects who may or may not have gained their anthropomorphism from prolonged radioactive fluid/gas exposure]]. You can probably already guess why it [[ScrewedByTheNetwork only lasted one season]].
* ''WesternAnimation/AssyMcGee'' is about a CowboyCop named [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Assy McGee, who is literally a talking ass.]] Unsurprisingly it's one of the few shows Creator/AdultSwim treats as an OldShame.
* ''Fox's WesternAnimation/PeterPanAndThePirates'' was a cartoon with some great writing and storytelling, that was surprisingly gothic and occasionally scary at times. Why didn't it do well? Well, it's about Peter Pan, and yet it takes itself deadly serious and has more mature storytelling than you'd expect given the source material. Hence, little kids who might be drawn in by Peter Pan got scared away, and older kids who'd enjoy the story took one look at who it's about and [[AnimationAgeGhetto decided it was kiddy]]. Note that the original novel was very dark in its way, as well (at the end, Tinkerbell is dead, and Peter is too childlike to remember, or care, who she was, for example). But, thanks to {{Disneyfication}}, anything that returns to the spirit of the original alienates ''everyone''.
* Similarly, there's ''WesternAnimation/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice''. The show's main humor was incredibly fast-paced {{dialogue}} to the point that adults can get lost, and unlike ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'', there wasn't much in the way of {{Slapstick}} to balance it out -- the main duo were able to laugh off whatever AmusingInjuries they were subject to as if it barely happened. On top of that, it aired at a time when the AnimationAgeGhetto was only just starting to be broken, so most grown-ups wouldn't have expected much from what was to them another duo of {{Funny Animal}}s. Since the preexisting Franchise/SamAndMax franchise was a CultClassic, any veteran fans interested wouldn't be enough to sustain the show for more than a season.
* ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'':
** ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' rather famously subverted this trope. Despite having an odd premise that had a lot of potential to [[JumpingTheShark go wrong]] (the Autobots and Decepticons are gone and their descendants are fighting in animal forms on prehistoric Earth), it managed to beat the stigma and is generally regarded as one of the best periods in the franchise’s history, in part ''[[TropesAreTools because]]'' it was willing to kick trends and do its own thing. On the other hand...
** ...Its follow-up, ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines'', ran right into this trope. An OddballInTheSeries, it tried to replace the timeless “warring robots that turn into vehicles/animals” premise with “[[GreenAesop technorganic beings against robots in a nature vs. technology battle]]”. It also had a notably dark and serious tone despite being [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids aimed at children]] and the heavily serialized nature of the plot led to a lot of ContinuityLockOut. It’s been VindicatedByHistory (somewhat; there are fans that still consider it [[FanonDiscontinuity non-canon]]), but it wasn’t successful at the time and the planned sequel, ''ComicBook/TransformersTransTech'', was cancelled in favor of [[Anime/UnicronTrilogy a total reboot]].
* ''WesternAnimation/AllenGregory''. The show is about a homeschooled 7-year-old played by Creator/JonahHill, who is forced to attend elementary school when his gay parents hit hard times, and thus has little idea on how to act like a kid. That could have worked very well... if not for the fact that both the title character and his father were unrepentant {{Jerkass}}es, especially to the daughter character (who was an unfunny and rather [[{{Deconstruction}} darkly]] [[AbusiveParents played]] [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Meg]] ripoff). Not helping matters was the fact that one of the parents wasn't actually gay but rather gave in to a gay relationship because the other wouldn't leave him alone despite several restraining orders -- this aspect already angered quite a few people in the gay community thanks to the UnfortunateImplications raised. It also contained a recurring subplot about Gregory attempting to date his principal, who is in her 70s, and his infatuation was portrayed far too sexual to be considered a PrecociousCrush. The show reeked of DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, was met with poor reviews, and canceled after just 7 episodes due to poor ratings.
* The European series ''WesternAnimation/{{Popetown}}'' was set in the Vatican, and featured an impish take on UsefulNotes/ThePope who came off as a SpoiledBrat, as well as corrupt cardinals; much of the humor is rather sexual, scatological, or just plain stupid. Despite initial interest from viewers, the ensuing religious controversy over how offensive it was to Catholics kept it off the air long enough for any real interest to dry up.
* Wanting to get in on the popularity of gritty {{action|Genre}} cartoons from UsefulNotes/{{Japan}}, Creator/WarnerBros came up with ''WesternAnimation/LoonaticsUnleashed'' which re-invented ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' characters as intimidating crimefighters in a dark {{cyberpunk}}ish setting. Unfortunately people who would've been interested in the ''Looney Tunes'' were turned off by the dark-looking setting and action emphasis, and people who wanted to see [[AnimalSuperheroes anthropomorphic superhero]] action were put on their guard by the fact that the characters were based on FunnyAnimal cartoons famous for {{zany|Cartoon}} {{slapstick}}. Due to backlash, the premise was changed into a much more standardized superhero cartoon that received mixed reviews at best. Further attempts were made to fix the show in the second season by [[LighterAndSofter lightening things even further]] and reintroducing nearly all the other classic characters, but despite that and angling even more obviously for another season, the show was cancelled after that season ran its course.
* To a lesser extent, this might also be the reason ''WesternAnimation/TheLooneyTunesShow'' never became the smash hit the channel was hoping for. {{Sitcom}} fans were turned off by the FunnyAnimal cast and ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' fans probably didn't care for the show's very different humor style and personalities for the 'Tunes. Not helping was the common criticism that the show [[UncertainAudience wasn't sure of which of the two it wanted to appeal to or even the age of its target audience]].
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Pelswick}}'' was unable to gain much of an audience due to taking too many risks at once. It had a paraplegic protagonist, which is [[LeadYouCanRelateTo a pretty big risk by itself, unfortunately]], especially since it made the bold choice to have it not define his entire character. Then it was set in a FantasticComedy (the protagonist receives advice from a GuardianAngel only he can see), and some of the people who liked the reality aspect found the fantasy aspect [[MindScrew confusing to the point they couldn't enjoy it]], as well as having an unconventional art style which some people find off-putting in and of itself. For good measure, the show employed mature humor about political correctness and then aimed the series at kids, complete with a far-from-subtle [[AnAesop Aesop]] structure that older people were turned off by. All of this resulted in being cancelled after 26 episodes and not released on DVD with a handful of fans (Creator/{{Funimation}} wanting to focus more on ''WesternAnimation/MyDadTheRockStar'' certainly didn't help matters).
* ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' was an [[ExecutiveMeddling unneeded]] {{retool}}ing of the already-popular series, ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain'', where the duo are forced to live with [[TheScrappy the least popular character]] from ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures''. Two episodes from ''Pinky and the Brain'' were made to show that changing the show was a bad move, but the higher-ups didn't get the memo. It was clear that the staff hated working on the show as they put "It's what the network wants, why bother to complain? The Earth remains their goal, some things they can't control." in the show's lyrics. The show only lasted 13 episodes.
* This is ''the'' reason ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' flopped. Fans of the usually fantasy-themed Franchise/MyLittlePony franchise found the slice-of-life elements dull and cliché while most SliceOfLife fans couldn't get beyond the fact that the cast is all brightly-colored talking ponies. It's still a controversial topic in the MLP fandom decades later. As for the franchise in general, the central premise of brightly colored magical talking ponies is a significant barrier to mainstream acceptance.
* ''WesternAnimation/AlmostNakedAnimals''. The entire cast is animals who have all their fur shaved off, and wear only underwear, for no specific reason. And they all work at an island cabana. And the art style is ''very'' ugly, to say the least, and NOT in an UglyCute kind of way.
* This is what doomed ''WesternAnimation/TheGoodeFamily'' from the start. It's a SpiritualAntithesis to ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', a show that works because the deeply conservative regions of the UsefulNotes/UnitedStates are well known in other areas of the continent (and probably the world), and those living in those regions are more flattered than anything to have a well-written sitcom set in the area. ''The Goode Family'', on the other hand, is set in the strongly liberal Bay Area, whose culture is much more obscure and whose people felt insulted. As such, the humor and satire in ''The Goode Family'' was incomprehensible and the setting too surreal for most viewers, the only people whom it'd really appeal to being those familiar with the area and who either are dissatisfied with living there or can take a joke at their expense. It was yanked off the air as soon as its first season finished. Being put in a FridayNightDeathSlot didn't help either.
* ''WesternAnimation/SheZow'' is an Australian/Canadian cartoon about a twelve-year-old WholesomeCrossdresser superhero. While the series became a minor CultClassic, this trope is believed to be the reason it never got a second season and faded into semi-obscurity after a very short run.
* ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan''. Take Franchise/SpiderMan, a character popular for being the first teenage superhero to learn how to be a hero of his own, without any mentor ([[MentorOccupationalHazard well, not alive anyway]]) with his own unique RoguesGallery... and have him be part of a team of teenage heroes and working for SHIELD with ComicBook/NickFury as TheMentor, while making him fight mostly completely different villains than those he usually faces. On top of that, the show is very much DenserAndWackier, featured a heavy emphasis on {{cutaway gag}}s, making it something of a kid-friendly version of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', already a show heavily criticized for the same. The show still managed to get success, but it also developed a major {{Hatedom}}, and even after it improved over the course of three seasons, many fans still refused to give it a chance just because of the premise. Also, fans who were hoping to see an adaptation of the Ultimate Spider-Man ''comic books'' were disappointed to find that this was an InNameOnly adaptation.
* ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' can be very off-putting for fans due to the show's unusual decision to not use any villains from Batman's iconic RoguesGallery (instead using lesser-known or outright obscure villains), especially for those who find said gallery to be part of why Batman is so memorable, to begin with. It did manage to get some fans and eventually brought some more classic villains, but that wasn't enough to save the show from cancellation before a second season.
* ''WesternAnimation/MrPickles'' is about {{Satan}} taking in the form of a dog and living with a family modeled after the "ideal families from TheFifties" and going around brutally killing people and having sex with various animals. And it's a [[BlackComedy COMEDY]]!
* ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon'' is extremely notorious in part because of this. It tried to simultaneously be a drama and [[RatedMForMoney a shock comedy that takes every single vulgar, offensive and tasteless joke]] UpToEleven, and failed at both. The drama was [[{{Narm}} too ludicrous]] [[{{Glurge}} and forced]] for the mainstream, and even if it wasn't, they would have still been turned away by [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy the depravity]] and [[{{Squick}} overall grossness]]. Meanwhile, the comedy crowd didn't find any of the jokes funny. Unsurprisingly, this led to its extremely short run. An episode-specific example is by far the most well-known and polarising one, the episode "[[Recap/RenandStimpyAPC1x02RenSeeksHelp Ren Seeks Help]]". For those unfamiliar: Ren engages in [[MoralEventHorizon multiple]], [[NightmareFuel highly graphic]] [[ColdBloodedTorture acts of animal cruelty]] which are ''all'' PlayedForLaughs. [[SchmuckBait Watch at your discretion]].
%%** Additionally, the other two animated shows in Spike TV's The Strip lineup, ''WesternAnimation/GaryTheRat'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Stripperella}}'', also suffered from this tripe because of their respective subject matter.
* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is this to many fans of the [[ComicBook/TeenTitans comic]], the previous [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated series]], and those of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''. It's a DenserAndWackier comedy, has an unappealing SuperDeformed art-style, and is helmed by two ''WesternAnimation/{{Mad}}'' alumni who nonchalantly admitted that they never even saw the original show. Early reviews had a consensus of "Not the best, but enjoyable if taken as its own thing", but since then, it's gotten flak for taking beloved teenage heroes with fleshed-out personalities and turning them into {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}}s, at best, and downright sociopathic {{villain|protagonist}}s, at worst, making the "take it as its own thing" mentality harder to maintain for most. The show's frequent uses of TakeThatCritics also turns a lot of people off, who think it comes off as the creators being overly defensive at times.
* The ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "[[Recap/SouthParkS4E14Pip Pip]]" was a parodic WholePlotReference to ''Literature/GreatExpectations'' [[ADayInTheLimelight that starred Pip]], an ancillary British {{stereotype}} ButtMonkey, with no other ''South Park'' characters making an appearance. Fans of the show weren't likely to be interested in the book, and even if they were, they wouldn't be excited for an episode that focuses exclusively on one of the less memorable characters. Fans of the book probably wouldn't think highly of a cartoon famous for its raunchiness doing its take on it (Although the episode does stick faithfully to the book... [[OffTheRails at least until the third act]]).
* ''WesternAnimation/TheDreamstone'' tries to play two contradicting genres to their extreme, the heroes' side is an earnest and [[TastesLikeDiabetes incredibly idealistic and cutesy]] BlackAndWhiteMorality action adventure, the villain's side is a KafkaKomedy fuelled MookHorrorShow. The two elements [[IndecisiveDeconstruction never quite mesh]], resulting in what can be best described as a DesignatedHero vs DesignatedVillain [[AntiClimax faux action]] series. The later episodes at least compromise the two a bit more cleanly into a [[PunchClockHero Punch]] [[PunchClockVillain Clock]] fantasy comedy, erasing some of the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.
* ''WesternAnimation/NinaNeedsToGo'' is about a little girl having a PottyEmergency every episode. And we do mean [[StrictlyFormula every episode]], despite the main character's [[EveryEpisodeEnding equally common insistence]] [[AesopAmnesia that she's learned better than to let it become an emergency]]. It's naturally a very divisive show.
* Several critics and reviewers have pointed out this as the cause behind ''WesternAnimation/GodTheDevilAndBob'' only lasting one season. The show sounded too religious for secular people and too disrespectful of {{God}} for religious people. The fact that it tries to [[GodIsFlawed do comedy with God]] but never really dares to go too far is a problem, as fans of edgy shocking comedy like ''South Park'' felt the show was too tame and fans of spiritual-based family-friendly shows thought it was too cynical. The fairly bland art style probably didn't help, either.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E2ThePrincipalAndThePauper The Principal and the Pauper]]" revealed that Principal Skinner's backstory was actually a lie. According to this episode, Skinner was actually Armin Tamzarian, who assumed the identity of his superior officer, Sgt. Seymour Skinner, after he was seemingly killed in action in UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. Fans reacted negatively, finding this totally out of place in the series, especially one [[NegativeContinuity that never particularly cared about continuity]]. Simpsons creator Creator/MattGroening and Skinner's voice actor Creator/HarryShearer have been ''very'' vocal about their disdain for the episode, with Shearer saying [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-TS-92KVDA "It's like punishing the audience for paying attention."]] It is since regarded as one of the worst episodes, if not ''the'' worst, is the series, [[CanonDiscontinuity and the writers largely pretend that this episode never happened]], with a latter one even having a blink-and-you'll-miss-it scene showing a kid Skinner alongside Agnes (which retcons this whole mess out of existence... [[YoYoPlotPoint probably]]). The later episode "Behind the Laughter" dismissed the events of the episode as "gimmicky" and the plot as "nonsensical."
* It isn't hard to see the cartoon series based on ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' as having one of these. Besides being based on something [[ContinuityLockout with sprawling preexisting mythology]] [[note]] For instance from watching the show you'd learn a guy named Kerensky was a really important figure in their history, but not really ''why''. Besides not just knowing whose name is constantly being invoked by the characters, his legacy is tied heavily into the show's villains' backstory, weakening the narrative even further. [[/note]], it was set during the very beginning of the Clan Invasion. Meaning a setting a new viewer had no chance to learn anything about was being invaded, by an enemy even people in the show had never seen before, upsetting a status quo new viewers would know absolutely nothing about. There was also the somewhat conflicting ideas of how it tried to stay true to the source by showing that [[WarIsHell war involves horrific destruction]] and also being kind of futile, while at the same time promoting itself by [[WarIsGlorious making war look awesome]] with having the soldiers piloting [[HumongousMecha gigantic deathbots]] (there was even an action figure line), something the younger viewers probably had trouble reconciling. Despite ending on a cliffhanger the closest it's come to being followed up was [[CanonForeigner having some of the characters later appear in series novels]].
* ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons'' has six teenagers who go on an amusement park ride only to be transported into a world of perpetual war, forced to become mystical warriors in order to fight an evil mage trying to overtake said world as well as defend themselves and their TeamPet, whose cuteness masks [[TheMillstone its true nature and whose presence repeatedly impedes the sextet from completing their mission or ever getting home.]] Plus, it was more violent and expensive to produce than your average SaturdayMorningCartoon. All these factors eventually turned fans off and the series was canceled [[CutShort before any real resolution occurred.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'' never really did well in Australia. Most kids weren't allowed to watch it because of its adult jokes and late-night airings, and adults were turned away by the FunnyAnimal cast.
* ''WesternAnimation/PenguinsBehindBars'' was a surprisingly serious {{Prison}} {{Drama}}... set {{in a|World}} {{world of|Funny Animals}} [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins cartoon penguins]]. One would think this would have a place on Creator/AdultSwim, but even there, every other show outside of {{anime}} (which can be said about adult animation as a whole) was a {{comedy}}. The {{pilot}} aired once, was met with mixed to negative reception from baffled viewers, and never aired again.
* Upon its premiere in Fall 2002, the MTV cartoon ''WesternAnimation/CloneHigh'' met its ([[ShortRunners pretty quick]]) demise because of this. Among other things, the fact that a member of the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist cast is a clone of UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi that is a {{Jerkass}} party animal [[https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/jan/31/pressandpublishing.india actually led to protests outside of the Indian offices of MTV]] because Gandhi is [[SacredCow a very revered person over there]] [[UnacceptableTargets and people felt insulted as a result.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/BigMouth'' is a show about characters going through puberty, not being the least coy about exploring sexuality and its development. The concept alone has made it severely polarizing, [[PaedoHunt several people accusing it of being child pornography]]. Likewise, its artstyle has been deemed visually unappealing (presumably done on purpose to avoid arousing ephebophiles), which didn't help smooth things over. Post-release it has found some favorable reviews, but even then the show remains very contentious and even those who like it admit the former problems are still prevalent.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheCritic'' could be [[TropeCodifier this trope's codifier for the medium]]. It revolves around a StrawCritic -- [[ThisLoserIsYou a fat, bald, acerbic, whiny loser]] -- but portrays him sympathetically as often as not, particularly regarding his struggle against his boss's and popular culture's AntiIntellectualism. The second season is LighterAndSofter; Jay gets a romantic interest with a CousinOliver attached. To the show's credit, it maintains its high level of humor and benefits from the more varied character dynamics the new arrivals allow. But even at the time, fans of the show knew it was TooGoodToLast; on ABC in Season 1 it didn't fit in with any of the network's "wacky family" comedies, and when it made its ChannelHop for Fox in Season 2 it would be ScrewedByTheNetwork.
* Creator/DisneyChannel's ''WesternAnimation/TheBuzzOnMaggie'', while generally liked by most of the people that watched it (a select few of which consider it a legit Main/CultClassic while most of the others merely consider it Main/SoOkayItsAverage), is an extremely (in fact, probably parodically) stereotypical Main/SliceOfLife tween sitcom aimed at little girls ([[MisaimedMarketing naturally a crowd known for being rather squeamish to put it]] ''[[UpToEleven lightly]]'') that [[GrossOutShow takes place in an overflowing garbage dump infested with sentient anthropomorphic flies and various other types of insects who may or may not have gained their anthropomorphism from prolonged radioactive fluid/gas exposure]]. You can probably already guess why it [[ScrewedByTheNetwork only lasted one season]].
* ''WesternAnimation/AssyMcGee'' is about a CowboyCop named [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Assy McGee, who is literally a talking ass.]] Unsurprisingly it's one of the few shows Creator/AdultSwim treats as an OldShame.
* ''Fox's WesternAnimation/PeterPanAndThePirates'' was a cartoon with some great writing and storytelling, that was surprisingly gothic and occasionally scary at times. Why didn't it do well? Well, it's about Peter Pan, and yet it takes itself deadly serious and has more mature storytelling than you'd expect given the source material. Hence, little kids who might be drawn in by Peter Pan got scared away, and older kids who'd enjoy the story took one look at who it's about and [[AnimationAgeGhetto decided it was kiddy]]. Note that the original novel was very dark in its way, as well (at the end, Tinkerbell is dead, and Peter is too childlike to remember, or care, who she was, for example). But, thanks to {{Disneyfication}}, anything that returns to the spirit of the original alienates ''everyone''.
* Similarly, there's ''WesternAnimation/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice''. The show's main humor was incredibly fast-paced {{dialogue}} to the point that adults can get lost, and unlike ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'', there wasn't much in the way of {{Slapstick}} to balance it out -- the main duo were able to laugh off whatever AmusingInjuries they were subject to as if it barely happened. On top of that, it aired at a time when the AnimationAgeGhetto was only just starting to be broken, so most grown-ups wouldn't have expected much from what was to them another duo of {{Funny Animal}}s. Since the preexisting Franchise/SamAndMax franchise was a CultClassic, any veteran fans interested wouldn't be enough to sustain the show for more than a season.
* ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'':
** ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' rather famously subverted this trope. Despite having an odd premise that had a lot of potential to [[JumpingTheShark go wrong]] (the Autobots and Decepticons are gone and their descendants are fighting in animal forms on prehistoric Earth), it managed to beat the stigma and is generally regarded as one of the best periods in the franchise’s history, in part ''[[TropesAreTools because]]'' it was willing to kick trends and do its own thing. On the other hand...
** ...Its follow-up, ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines'', ran right into this trope. An OddballInTheSeries, it tried to replace the timeless “warring robots that turn into vehicles/animals” premise with “[[GreenAesop technorganic beings against robots in a nature vs. technology battle]]”. It also had a notably dark and serious tone despite being [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids aimed at children]] and the heavily serialized nature of the plot led to a lot of ContinuityLockOut. It’s been VindicatedByHistory (somewhat; there are fans that still consider it [[FanonDiscontinuity non-canon]]), but it wasn’t successful at the time and the planned sequel, ''ComicBook/TransformersTransTech'', was cancelled in favor of [[Anime/UnicronTrilogy a total reboot]].
* ''WesternAnimation/AllenGregory''. The show is about a homeschooled 7-year-old played by Creator/JonahHill, who is forced to attend elementary school when his gay parents hit hard times, and thus has little idea on how to act like a kid. That could have worked very well... if not for the fact that both the title character and his father were unrepentant {{Jerkass}}es, especially to the daughter character (who was an unfunny and rather [[{{Deconstruction}} darkly]] [[AbusiveParents played]] [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Meg]] ripoff). Not helping matters was the fact that one of the parents wasn't actually gay but rather gave in to a gay relationship because the other wouldn't leave him alone despite several restraining orders -- this aspect already angered quite a few people in the gay community thanks to the UnfortunateImplications raised. It also contained a recurring subplot about Gregory attempting to date his principal, who is in her 70s, and his infatuation was portrayed far too sexual to be considered a PrecociousCrush. The show reeked of DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, was met with poor reviews, and canceled after just 7 episodes due to poor ratings.
* The European series ''WesternAnimation/{{Popetown}}'' was set in the Vatican, and featured an impish take on UsefulNotes/ThePope who came off as a SpoiledBrat, as well as corrupt cardinals; much of the humor is rather sexual, scatological, or just plain stupid. Despite initial interest from viewers, the ensuing religious controversy over how offensive it was to Catholics kept it off the air long enough for any real interest to dry up.
* Wanting to get in on the popularity of gritty {{action|Genre}} cartoons from UsefulNotes/{{Japan}}, Creator/WarnerBros came up with ''WesternAnimation/LoonaticsUnleashed'' which re-invented ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' characters as intimidating crimefighters in a dark {{cyberpunk}}ish setting. Unfortunately people who would've been interested in the ''Looney Tunes'' were turned off by the dark-looking setting and action emphasis, and people who wanted to see [[AnimalSuperheroes anthropomorphic superhero]] action were put on their guard by the fact that the characters were based on FunnyAnimal cartoons famous for {{zany|Cartoon}} {{slapstick}}. Due to backlash, the premise was changed into a much more standardized superhero cartoon that received mixed reviews at best. Further attempts were made to fix the show in the second season by [[LighterAndSofter lightening things even further]] and reintroducing nearly all the other classic characters, but despite that and angling even more obviously for another season, the show was cancelled after that season ran its course.
* To a lesser extent, this might also be the reason ''WesternAnimation/TheLooneyTunesShow'' never became the smash hit the channel was hoping for. {{Sitcom}} fans were turned off by the FunnyAnimal cast and ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' fans probably didn't care for the show's very different humor style and personalities for the 'Tunes. Not helping was the common criticism that the show [[UncertainAudience wasn't sure of which of the two it wanted to appeal to or even the age of its target audience]].
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Pelswick}}'' was unable to gain much of an audience due to taking too many risks at once. It had a paraplegic protagonist, which is [[LeadYouCanRelateTo a pretty big risk by itself, unfortunately]], especially since it made the bold choice to have it not define his entire character. Then it was set in a FantasticComedy (the protagonist receives advice from a GuardianAngel only he can see), and some of the people who liked the reality aspect found the fantasy aspect [[MindScrew confusing to the point they couldn't enjoy it]], as well as having an unconventional art style which some people find off-putting in and of itself. For good measure, the show employed mature humor about political correctness and then aimed the series at kids, complete with a far-from-subtle [[AnAesop Aesop]] structure that older people were turned off by. All of this resulted in being cancelled after 26 episodes and not released on DVD with a handful of fans (Creator/{{Funimation}} wanting to focus more on ''WesternAnimation/MyDadTheRockStar'' certainly didn't help matters).
* ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' was an [[ExecutiveMeddling unneeded]] {{retool}}ing of the already-popular series, ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain'', where the duo are forced to live with [[TheScrappy the least popular character]] from ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures''. Two episodes from ''Pinky and the Brain'' were made to show that changing the show was a bad move, but the higher-ups didn't get the memo. It was clear that the staff hated working on the show as they put "It's what the network wants, why bother to complain? The Earth remains their goal, some things they can't control." in the show's lyrics. The show only lasted 13 episodes.
* This is ''the'' reason ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' flopped. Fans of the usually fantasy-themed Franchise/MyLittlePony franchise found the slice-of-life elements dull and cliché while most SliceOfLife fans couldn't get beyond the fact that the cast is all brightly-colored talking ponies. It's still a controversial topic in the MLP fandom decades later. As for the franchise in general, the central premise of brightly colored magical talking ponies is a significant barrier to mainstream acceptance.
* ''WesternAnimation/AlmostNakedAnimals''. The entire cast is animals who have all their fur shaved off, and wear only underwear, for no specific reason. And they all work at an island cabana. And the art style is ''very'' ugly, to say the least, and NOT in an UglyCute kind of way.
* This is what doomed ''WesternAnimation/TheGoodeFamily'' from the start. It's a SpiritualAntithesis to ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', a show that works because the deeply conservative regions of the UsefulNotes/UnitedStates are well known in other areas of the continent (and probably the world), and those living in those regions are more flattered than anything to have a well-written sitcom set in the area. ''The Goode Family'', on the other hand, is set in the strongly liberal Bay Area, whose culture is much more obscure and whose people felt insulted. As such, the humor and satire in ''The Goode Family'' was incomprehensible and the setting too surreal for most viewers, the only people whom it'd really appeal to being those familiar with the area and who either are dissatisfied with living there or can take a joke at their expense. It was yanked off the air as soon as its first season finished. Being put in a FridayNightDeathSlot didn't help either.
* ''WesternAnimation/SheZow'' is an Australian/Canadian cartoon about a twelve-year-old WholesomeCrossdresser superhero. While the series became a minor CultClassic, this trope is believed to be the reason it never got a second season and faded into semi-obscurity after a very short run.
* ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan''. Take Franchise/SpiderMan, a character popular for being the first teenage superhero to learn how to be a hero of his own, without any mentor ([[MentorOccupationalHazard well, not alive anyway]]) with his own unique RoguesGallery... and have him be part of a team of teenage heroes and working for SHIELD with ComicBook/NickFury as TheMentor, while making him fight mostly completely different villains than those he usually faces. On top of that, the show is very much DenserAndWackier, featured a heavy emphasis on {{cutaway gag}}s, making it something of a kid-friendly version of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', already a show heavily criticized for the same. The show still managed to get success, but it also developed a major {{Hatedom}}, and even after it improved over the course of three seasons, many fans still refused to give it a chance just because of the premise. Also, fans who were hoping to see an adaptation of the Ultimate Spider-Man ''comic books'' were disappointed to find that this was an InNameOnly adaptation.
* ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' can be very off-putting for fans due to the show's unusual decision to not use any villains from Batman's iconic RoguesGallery (instead using lesser-known or outright obscure villains), especially for those who find said gallery to be part of why Batman is so memorable, to begin with. It did manage to get some fans and eventually brought some more classic villains, but that wasn't enough to save the show from cancellation before a second season.
* ''WesternAnimation/MrPickles'' is about {{Satan}} taking in the form of a dog and living with a family modeled after the "ideal families from TheFifties" and going around brutally killing people and having sex with various animals. And it's a [[BlackComedy COMEDY]]!
* ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpyAdultPartyCartoon'' is extremely notorious in part because of this. It tried to simultaneously be a drama and [[RatedMForMoney a shock comedy that takes every single vulgar, offensive and tasteless joke]] UpToEleven, and failed at both. The drama was [[{{Narm}} too ludicrous]] [[{{Glurge}} and forced]] for the mainstream, and even if it wasn't, they would have still been turned away by [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy the depravity]] and [[{{Squick}} overall grossness]]. Meanwhile, the comedy crowd didn't find any of the jokes funny. Unsurprisingly, this led to its extremely short run. An episode-specific example is by far the most well-known and polarising one, the episode "[[Recap/RenandStimpyAPC1x02RenSeeksHelp Ren Seeks Help]]". For those unfamiliar: Ren engages in [[MoralEventHorizon multiple]], [[NightmareFuel highly graphic]] [[ColdBloodedTorture acts of animal cruelty]] which are ''all'' PlayedForLaughs. [[SchmuckBait Watch at your discretion]].
%%** Additionally, the other two animated shows in Spike TV's The Strip lineup, ''WesternAnimation/GaryTheRat'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Stripperella}}'', also suffered from this tripe because of their respective subject matter.
* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is this to many fans of the [[ComicBook/TeenTitans comic]], the previous [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated series]], and those of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''. It's a DenserAndWackier comedy, has an unappealing SuperDeformed art-style, and is helmed by two ''WesternAnimation/{{Mad}}'' alumni who nonchalantly admitted that they never even saw the original show. Early reviews had a consensus of "Not the best, but enjoyable if taken as its own thing", but since then, it's gotten flak for taking beloved teenage heroes with fleshed-out personalities and turning them into {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}}s, at best, and downright sociopathic {{villain|protagonist}}s, at worst, making the "take it as its own thing" mentality harder to maintain for most. The show's frequent uses of TakeThatCritics also turns a lot of people off, who think it comes off as the creators being overly defensive at times.
* The ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "[[Recap/SouthParkS4E14Pip Pip]]" was a parodic WholePlotReference to ''Literature/GreatExpectations'' [[ADayInTheLimelight that starred Pip]], an ancillary British {{stereotype}} ButtMonkey, with no other ''South Park'' characters making an appearance. Fans of the show weren't likely to be interested in the book, and even if they were, they wouldn't be excited for an episode that focuses exclusively on one of the less memorable characters. Fans of the book probably wouldn't think highly of a cartoon famous for its raunchiness doing its take on it (Although the episode does stick faithfully to the book... [[OffTheRails at least until the third act]]).
* ''WesternAnimation/TheDreamstone'' tries to play two contradicting genres to their extreme, the heroes' side is an earnest and [[TastesLikeDiabetes incredibly idealistic and cutesy]] BlackAndWhiteMorality action adventure, the villain's side is a KafkaKomedy fuelled MookHorrorShow. The two elements [[IndecisiveDeconstruction never quite mesh]], resulting in what can be best described as a DesignatedHero vs DesignatedVillain [[AntiClimax faux action]] series. The later episodes at least compromise the two a bit more cleanly into a [[PunchClockHero Punch]] [[PunchClockVillain Clock]] fantasy comedy, erasing some of the DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.
* ''WesternAnimation/NinaNeedsToGo'' is about a little girl having a PottyEmergency every episode. And we do mean [[StrictlyFormula every episode]], despite the main character's [[EveryEpisodeEnding equally common insistence]] [[AesopAmnesia that she's learned better than to let it become an emergency]]. It's naturally a very divisive show.
* Several critics and reviewers have pointed out this as the cause behind ''WesternAnimation/GodTheDevilAndBob'' only lasting one season. The show sounded too religious for secular people and too disrespectful of {{God}} for religious people. The fact that it tries to [[GodIsFlawed do comedy with God]] but never really dares to go too far is a problem, as fans of edgy shocking comedy like ''South Park'' felt the show was too tame and fans of spiritual-based family-friendly shows thought it was too cynical. The fairly bland art style probably didn't help, either.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E2ThePrincipalAndThePauper The Principal and the Pauper]]" revealed that Principal Skinner's backstory was actually a lie. According to this episode, Skinner was actually Armin Tamzarian, who assumed the identity of his superior officer, Sgt. Seymour Skinner, after he was seemingly killed in action in UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. Fans reacted negatively, finding this totally out of place in the series, especially one [[NegativeContinuity that never particularly cared about continuity]]. Simpsons creator Creator/MattGroening and Skinner's voice actor Creator/HarryShearer have been ''very'' vocal about their disdain for the episode, with Shearer saying [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-TS-92KVDA "It's like punishing the audience for paying attention."]] It is since regarded as one of the worst episodes, if not ''the'' worst, is the series, [[CanonDiscontinuity and the writers largely pretend that this episode never happened]], with a latter one even having a blink-and-you'll-miss-it scene showing a kid Skinner alongside Agnes (which retcons this whole mess out of existence... [[YoYoPlotPoint probably]]). The later episode "Behind the Laughter" dismissed the events of the episode as "gimmicky" and the plot as "nonsensical."
* It isn't hard to see the cartoon series based on ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' as having one of these. Besides being based on something [[ContinuityLockout with sprawling preexisting mythology]] [[note]] For instance from watching the show you'd learn a guy named Kerensky was a really important figure in their history, but not really ''why''. Besides not just knowing whose name is constantly being invoked by the characters, his legacy is tied heavily into the show's villains' backstory, weakening the narrative even further. [[/note]], it was set during the very beginning of the Clan Invasion. Meaning a setting a new viewer had no chance to learn anything about was being invaded, by an enemy even people in the show had never seen before, upsetting a status quo new viewers would know absolutely nothing about. There was also the somewhat conflicting ideas of how it tried to stay true to the source by showing that [[WarIsHell war involves horrific destruction]] and also being kind of futile, while at the same time promoting itself by [[WarIsGlorious making war look awesome]] with having the soldiers piloting [[HumongousMecha gigantic deathbots]] (there was even an action figure line), something the younger viewers probably had trouble reconciling. Despite ending on a cliffhanger the closest it's come to being followed up was [[CanonForeigner having some of the characters later appear in series novels]].
* ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons'' has six teenagers who go on an amusement park ride only to be transported into a world of perpetual war, forced to become mystical warriors in order to fight an evil mage trying to overtake said world as well as defend themselves and their TeamPet, whose cuteness masks [[TheMillstone its true nature and whose presence repeatedly impedes the sextet from completing their mission or ever getting home.]] Plus, it was more violent and expensive to produce than your average SaturdayMorningCartoon. All these factors eventually turned fans off and the series was canceled [[CutShort before any real resolution occurred.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'' never really did well in Australia. Most kids weren't allowed to watch it because of its adult jokes and late-night airings, and adults were turned away by the FunnyAnimal cast.
* ''WesternAnimation/PenguinsBehindBars'' was a surprisingly serious {{Prison}} {{Drama}}... set {{in a|World}} {{world of|Funny Animals}} [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins cartoon penguins]]. One would think this would have a place on Creator/AdultSwim, but even there, every other show outside of {{anime}} (which can be said about adult animation as a whole) was a {{comedy}}. The {{pilot}} aired once, was met with mixed to negative reception from baffled viewers, and never aired again.
* Upon its premiere in Fall 2002, the MTV cartoon ''WesternAnimation/CloneHigh'' met its ([[ShortRunners pretty quick]]) demise because of this. Among other things, the fact that a member of the UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist cast is a clone of UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi that is a {{Jerkass}} party animal [[https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/jan/31/pressandpublishing.india actually led to protests outside of the Indian offices of MTV]] because Gandhi is [[SacredCow a very revered person over there]] [[UnacceptableTargets and people felt insulted as a result.]]
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* {{Creator/ProZD}} has [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7VMd8z8XA some trouble]] getting other people interested in {{Manga/ChihayaFuru}}, which is about a game called Karuta, where one person reads a verse from a poem and the other players have to find the card that corresponds to that poem. He ends up [[NapInducingSpeak putting the other guy to sleep]] because of how unexciting it sounds.

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* {{Creator/ProZD}} has [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7VMd8z8XA some trouble]] getting other people interested in {{Manga/ChihayaFuru}}, ''Manga/ChihayaFuru'', which is about a game called Karuta, where one person reads a verse from a poem and the other players have to find the card that corresponds to that poem. He ends up [[NapInducingSpeak putting the other guy to sleep]] because of how unexciting it sounds.


Note that this is not a judgment call on the work itself. [[TaintedByThePreview Marketing itself can be entirely at fault]], trying to sell it as something more generic when it has plenty of other qualities to offer. Sometimes attempts to mimic styles popular from other cultures comes off as too different for audiences to understand and appreciate, even though it is a fine example of that genre in its own right. Of course, a work with such an obstacle can rise above it and achieve recognition; in many cases an oddball work is shunned on release only to become a CultClassic, often being either VindicatedByVideo or VindicatedByCable. Simply having [[SugarWiki/BetterThanItSounds an off-sounding premise]] doesn't immediately qualify for this trope, as sometimes a [[Franchise/StarWars movie inspired by 1930s pulp space adventures]] or [[Music/BlackSabbath psychedelic rock with horror themes]] ends up being wildly successful anyway. Compare that to ItWillNeverCatchOn.

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Note that this is not a judgment judgement call on the work itself. [[TaintedByThePreview Marketing itself can be entirely at fault]], trying to sell it as something more generic when it has plenty of other qualities to offer. Sometimes attempts to mimic styles popular from other cultures comes off as too different for audiences to understand and appreciate, even though it is a fine example of that genre in its own right. Of course, a work with such an obstacle can rise above it and achieve recognition; in many cases an oddball work is shunned on release only to become a CultClassic, often being either VindicatedByVideo or VindicatedByCable. Simply having [[SugarWiki/BetterThanItSounds an off-sounding premise]] doesn't immediately qualify for this trope, as sometimes a [[Franchise/StarWars movie inspired by 1930s pulp space adventures]] or [[Music/BlackSabbath psychedelic rock with horror themes]] ends up being wildly successful anyway. Compare that to ItWillNeverCatchOn.



* SadistShow -- It can be difficult to enjoy a work where people constantly get screwed over.
* GrossOutShow -- ToiletHumour isn't to everyone's tastes.
* BlackComedy -- Not everyone likes jokes about death and other things that most people are disturbed or horrified by.
* OscarBait -- "I don't want to watch the {{superhero}} movie, I want to watch yet another movie about UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust!" is quite ARareSentence to be said without sarcasm.

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* SadistShow -- It can be difficult to enjoy a work where people constantly get screwed over.
* GrossOutShow -- ToiletHumour isn't to everyone's tastes.
* BlackComedy -- Not everyone likes jokes about death and other things that most people are disturbed or horrified by.
* OscarBait -- "I don't want to watch the {{superhero}} movie, I want to watch yet another movie about UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust!" is quite ARareSentence to be said without sarcasm.



** ExploitationFilm -- Excessive violence and/or sexual content can be very off-putting.
** Anything revolving entirely around [[{{Gorn}} graphic violence]] -- For a lot of people, it's not thrilling, just gross and disturbing.

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** ExploitationFilm -- Excessive violence and/or sexual content can be very off-putting.
** Anything revolving entirely around [[{{Gorn}} graphic violence]] -- For a lot of people, it's not thrilling, just gross and disturbing.



** DarknessInducedAudienceApathy -- When the entire setting and narrative are so hopeless and [[StrawNihilist nihilistic]] that the audience [[EightDeadlyWords just gives up rooting for the doomed characters]].

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** DarknessInducedAudienceApathy -- When the entire setting and narrative are so hopeless and [[StrawNihilist nihilistic]] that the audience [[EightDeadlyWords just gives up rooting for the doomed characters]].



* CrackFic -- FanFiction that alienates potential audiences by having a premise that's too weird and ridiculous to take seriously.
* Anything ideologically sensitive (racist, sexist, antisemitic, etc.) -- see UnfortunateImplications and ValuesDissonance.
* VillainProtagonist -- If the main character of a work is intended to be the bad guy, it's unlikely the audience will root for them.
* GenreBusting -- You cannot rely on fans of a certain genre being at your beck and call if your work doesn't fit any one of them.

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* CrackFic -- FanFiction — {{Fanfiction}} that alienates potential audiences by having a premise that's too weird and ridiculous to take seriously.
* Anything ideologically sensitive (racist, sexist, antisemitic, etc.) -- see UnfortunateImplications and ValuesDissonance.
* VillainProtagonist -- If the main character of a work is intended to be the bad guy, it's unlikely the audience will root for them.
* GenreBusting -- You cannot rely on fans of a certain genre being at your beck and call if your work doesn't fit any one of them.



* WidgetSeries -- When a work is incomprehensible to people outside its country of origin (and sometimes even within).

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* WidgetSeries -- When a work is incomprehensible to people outside its country of origin (and sometimes even within).



* AuthorTract -- If a work's main purpose is to promote the author's views, anyone who disagrees with said views is bound to reject it on sight, while people who agree with it won't need to have their minds changed and may find the work boring.

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* AuthorTract -- If a work's main purpose is to promote the author's views, anyone who disagrees with said views is bound to reject it on sight, while people who agree with it won't need to have their minds changed and may find the work boring.



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* PanderingToTheBase -- A work that appeals to hardcore geeks or nerds at the expense of mainstream audiences.

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* PanderingToTheBase -- A work that appeals to hardcore geeks or nerds at the expense of mainstream audiences.



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* ''ComicBook/AmethystPrincessOfGemworld'':
** A MagicalGirl maxiseries created during the early '80s? It didn't stand a chance, so Creator/DCComics killed the series by making the main character evil and blowing up her homeworld. Of course, if they had the foresight to allow the property to live until [[Anime/SailorMoon the '90s]], they could have had a hot product on their hands.
** Relaunched in 2012 as the lead feature of ''ComicBook/SwordOfSorcery'', written by Creator/ChristyMarx, the woman behind ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}''. The comic again failed to find an audience and was cancelled with Issue #8 in early 2013. While the relaunch had some potential going for it, it also ran into a number of the same roadblocks -- for a comic that was being promoted with kid-friendly shorts on Creator/CartoonNetwork's WesternAnimation/DCNation, it went for more of a "''Series/GameOfThrones'' with magical gem powers" vibe and featured an [[http://comicsalliance.com/so-theres-an-attempted-gang-rape-in-the-first-issue-of-amethys/ attempted gang rape]] in its first issue.
** ''Amethyst'' had a sort of crossover in the second series. Cue ''very'' surprised looks from readers wondering why a character from a "[[GirlShowGhetto comic for little girls]]" was doing in the pages of ''Dr. Fate.'' (Turns out Amy is [[spoiler:a Lord of Order]]. Yes, you read that right.)
* ''ComicBook/PowerPack'' (the original 1980s comic): {{Kid hero}}es, except that, instead of featuring wacky antics and dumb adult villains, the theme was played totally straight. The story took itself seriously (not only was the comic pretty dark at times, but the kids were even featured in the ComicBook/XMen's ''Mutant Massacre'' crossover, which was every bit as dark as it sounds), but many people wrote it off because it was about kids. Most adult comic readers dismissed it out of hand because they assumed a story about children would just be wacky and stupid, and kids who wanted to see wacky antics probably ended up disappointed. It's no coincidence that most of the letters to the editor came from adults, with only the occasional 12-year-old, who were surprised at the quality of the storytelling.
* A similar issue plagued the first arc of the Creator/TerryMoore-led reboot of ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}''. The extremely cartoonish art by Humberto Ramos suggested that it was aimed at younger teens, which repelled longtime fans, but the not-so-kid-friendly storyline -- involving Karolina being accused of complicity in the destruction of Majesdane, and ending with [[spoiler:Xavin impersonating her and handing themselves over to her accusers]] -- didn't really bring in many younger readers, and may have helped lead to the series' cancellation a year later.
* ''Yeah!'' by Peter Bagge and [[ComicBook/LoveAndRockets Gilbert Hernandez]] is a girls' comic about three girls in a rock band who are trying to make it big but can only get fans in outer space, and was [[GenreThrowback intended to resemble the girls' comics of the sixties.]] It is also to comic book fans what a disco album by Music/IronMaiden would be to a music fan: it doesn't contain any of the stuff that they like, and it belongs to a genre that's been [[DeaderThanDisco dead for decades.]] Despite some good writing and nice artwork, the comic was cancelled after only nine poorly-selling issues.
* ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'': Taking cult favorite teenage heroes (including members of ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy'') and putting them in a ''Literature/TheHungerGames''[=/=]''Literature/BattleRoyale'' scenario played completely straight, so as to prop up SmugSnake gimmick villain [[CreatorsPet Arcade]] as a legitimate threat (twenty years too late), by having a lot of teenagers die. The amount of vitriol it generated before and during its release is rather amazing. [[Comicbook/AvengersUndercover The sequel]], by the same writer, had the surviving kids infiltrating the Masters of Evil with the book's premise being that one of them will turn evil. It sold so poorly that it was cancelled after 10 issues (the story was planned for at least 12).
* ''ComicBook/ChickTracts'' are meant to appeal to people other than evangelical Protestants. However, the target audience is automatically alienated by the central messages (promoting religious fundamentalism, decrying the "evil" of the Catholic Church, [[GodwinsLaw comparing people who think Evolution is a sound theory to Nazis]], etc.), while people who ''would'' agree with them don't bother reading them because the tracts are not meant for them.
* Barbara Slate's ''ComicBook/AngelLove'' series folded after eight issues and a special. Its cute cartoonish artwork and style of writing clashed with the subjects it was dealing with: drug use, abortion, critical illnesses, and incest.
* ''Franchise/ArchieComics'':
** ''ComicBook/ArchieMeetsThePunisher'', obviously. Readers of one tend not to be readers of the other. ''ComicBook/ArchieVsPredator'' fared much better.
** ''ComicBook/ArchieComics2015'' had a hurdle to cross due to this. It's a reboot of the classic ''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' without its signature art-style and with more emphasis on plot. It doesn't have the pick-up-and-read, nostalgic element of the original.
* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'':
** ''Archie Comic's Sonic the Hedgehog'' similarly crossed over with Creator/ImageComics in a Sonic Super Special issue, due to then-series writer Ken Penders' brief involvement with Image and professional friendship with Jim Valentino. The sight of Sonic and the Freedom Fighters fighting a dimension-hopping baddie with such Image characters as Shadowhawk and Savage Dragon (Spawn only showing up in two shamelessly deceptive panels) would've been hard enough to swallow, but when the crux of the plot revolves around a team of X-Men ripoffs called the Lost Ones[[note]]which Penders was using the crossover to serve as a BackdoorPilot to, which ''hadn't'' even premiered yet[[/note]] and would crash-and-burn after one issue, audiences were left confused and unsatisfied as Penders' CreatorsPet Knuckles would render the whole thing moot with Chaos powers in the end anyways.
** Penders also penned an earlier special which was packaged as ''Sonic Live!''. Its lead story is a cringe-worthy piece where Sonic meets up with two real-world children[[note]]based and photographed after Penders' real-life son and niece[[/note]] and fight alternate Robotniks while learning he's a fictional character created by a random staff artist on behalf of a couple of white SEGA executives. Or in other words, it was an IndecisiveParody of ''Film/LastActionHero'' with Sonic and guest-stars the writer's family.
* Attempts to combine highbrow literature with hardcore porn comics tend to fall under this trope. Audiences generally approach each genre with entirely different expectations and [[ADateWithRosiePalms purposes]] in mind. Two examples are Gilbert Hernandez's ''Birdland'', a satire of Wilhelm Reich's disputed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone orgone energy]] theory, and Alan Moore's and Melinda Gebbie's ''Lost Girls'', featuring Alice from ''Literature/AliceInWonderland'', Dorothy from ''Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz'', and Wendy from ''Literature/PeterPan''.
* There was an ''ComicBook/XMen'' miniseries called ''The First X-Men'' that turned a lot of people, especially those who don't like Franchise/{{Wolverine}}, off by attempting to retcon that he, and not Professor Xavier, was the first person to found a mutant superhero team (and even worse, that the Professor was a [[BoomerangBigot self-hating mutant]] during that time). Critics generally found it an [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs utterly bizarre]] vanity project for writer Neal Adams, while fans felt it was a (bad) attempt to cash in on the [[Film/XMenOriginsWolverine last two]] [[Film/XMenFirstClass X-Men films]] by combining their premises together, and it's never been mentioned since. The irony is that Adams has stated at signings that he hated working on it, as it was heavily subject to [[ExecutiveMeddling Editorial Mandates]] and [[ExecutiveVeto Vetos]].
* The second volume of ''ComicBook/SecretAvengers'' ended up as something like this. The premise is that SHIELD forms its own team of Avengers, but to keep them from revealing their secrets, they undergo a mindwipe after their missions, which was off-putting due to the grey morality of such a tactic and apparent attempts to amp the feel of the [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]] with the book's promotional material. Still, the series found a small audience thanks to the fact it explored the moral implications of the concept, had a quirky sense of humor, used underused-though-well liked characters ComicBook/WarMachine, [[ComicBook/DaisyJohnson Quake]], ComicBook/{{Mockingbird}}, and ComicBook/{{Taskmaster}}, and had generally good writing. The series ended after 16 issues so the writer could move onto ''Avengers World''.
** The third volume qualifies even more: it dropped the above-mentioned characters, with the art and tone of the comic shifting to what seemed to be a lazy ripoff of Matt Fraction's ''ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}'' ongoing. Many fans dropped the book, and it was cancelled after 15 issues.
* ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'': To sum it up: Marvel's "[[Franchise/SpiderMan Most Responsible Hero]]" loses his very aged [[ParentalSubstitute mother-figure]], and discovers that he can't fix it. He makes the [[SarcasmMode responsible decision]] and gets his beloved wife to agree to delete their entire marriage (complete with unborn child), via an under-examined {{deal with the|Devil}} most deceitful and evil RealityWarper he can find.
* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: Fortunate Son'' is a story about the Dark Knight taking on the evils of RockAndRoll. The comic was released in TheNineties, long after such an idea became downright laughable.
* This may have been part of the reason Creator/GailSimone's ''ComicBook/TheMovement'' didn't last very long despite good reviews. A comic series about a group of [[NominalHero morally dodgy protagonists]] becoming vigilantes, who are also completely new characters and thus don't have previously built audience love to carry them. It was also very politicized which is a frequent turn-off for some comic readers. Simone herself has commented that, in hindsight, the book was a very difficult concept to sell and was lucky to get as far as it did.
* Jonathan Hickman's run on ''ComicBook/NewAvengers'' struggles with this; since GreyAndGrayMorality and heroes being forced to do morally questionable things is a major theme, it's developed a reputation as being little more than an ongoing series of displays of how morally bankrupt the protagonists are. [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Only so many people can enjoy seeing beloved heroes like Black Panther and Mr. Fantastic acting like super villains.]] While the book sold fairly well, it was arguably more due to its place as a cornerstone of the highly-publicized ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' crossover than of the characters or story. A big part of the problem is that other groups aside from the protagonists are depicted as coming up with solutions to the story's big conflict that ''don't'' involve doing horribly immoral things. This has created an awkward situation where people like ''Doctor Doom'' are seen by fans as doing a better job at being heroes than the actual heroes.
* Any case of a superhero becoming a LegacyCharacter has the potential to be this. Essentially, the writer is asking the reader to forget about the hero they've followed and become attached to and instead read about some new guy who may only be tangentially related to the original hero. If the writer can't do enough to make the readers care about the new character quickly, people will turn away because they see no reason to follow the story if the protagonist they cared about is gone. Examples of AffirmativeActionLegacy have this even worse, as they are frequently accused of being a CreatorsPet so that the writer can [[PositiveDiscrimination show off how progressive]] they are, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment whether or not that is the case.]]
* Branching off from the first point, practically ''every'' superhero has become a "Legacy" character by this point, and this can lead to instances of characters with already-beloved or appreciated gimmicks being [[DolledUpInstallment shoehorned into another identity for the name recognition (and sales)]]. This can also have the effect of "reducing" other roles or making them arbitrarily subordinate to the "Legacy" of another.
* Dan Jurgens' ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' series from 1996 which replaced all of the cast members from New Teen Titans with new characters and inexplicably turned ''ComicBook/TheAtom'' into a teenager.
* Robert Kirkman's ''[[ComicBook/AntMan The Irredeemable Ant-Man]]'': according to Kirkman, the idea was to have the protagonist start out as a cowardly jerk and evolve into a real hero over time. Unfortunately, the comic put extremely heavy emphasis on how much of a jerk the new ComicBook/AntMan was while failing to play up his HiddenHeartOfGold; Marvel's advertising didn't help, selling the comic with the tagline "The World's Most ''Unlikable'' Superhero". Non-fans of Ant-Man were driven away, while Ant-Man fans left out of disgust at the thought of such a douche taking over the title. Creator/EvangelineLilly read the series as research for the ''Film/AntMan'' movie and publicly dismissed it as "crap".
* The 2015 ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyond'' comic. It stars an adult Tim Drake (who took over after a time-traveling Terry [=McGinnis=] was killed) as a FishOutOfTemporalWater in a post-apocalyptic world where Gotham is the only remnant of human civilization. It's not clear who the comic was intended, as it has little in common with [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond any previous iteration]] of ''Batman Beyond'', and the Tim Drake featured is [[NotAsYouKnowThem very different from his prior characterizations]].
* ''ComicBook/WackyRaceland'', the DarkerAndEdgier reimagining of Hanna-Barbera's ''WesternAnimation/WackyRaces''. Take a classic light-hearted cartoon about racers with their distinctive motifs running through different rallies around America and turn it into a ''Film/MadMax''-inspired [[AfterTheEnd post-apocalyptic setting]] where every type of calamity happened and littered with mutants and {{eldritch abomination}}s. Despite the title trying to ride on RuleOfCool, the concept was never going to be easy to sell and predictably the comic went under after just six issues.
** Indeed, all of the ComicBook/HannaBarberaBeyond books can potentially fall into this. ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheJetsons'' go from {{sitcom}}s to modern-day social {{satire}}s (with Comicbook/TheFlintstones written by someone openly stated to hate the franchise), ''ComicBook/ScoobyApocalypse'' is a darker take on the Franchise/ScoobyDoo mythos with wild redesigns, and then there's the {{weird crossover}}s like ''WesternAnimation/TheBananaSplits'' meeting the ''ComicBook/SuicideSquad''. The only book that seems to have gotten near-universal critical acclaim is ''ComicBook/FutureQuest''.
* ''ComicBook/FuryMax'' was part of the Creator/MarvelMAX line and featured a DarkerAndEdgier and BloodierAndGorier story of Fury looking at his last days as an agent of a post-Cold War era S.H.I.E.L.D. that presented Fury as a BloodKnight. Most notably, the detractors of this included Fury co-creator Creator/StanLee and actor Creator/GeorgeClooney, who was in talks to play Fury in a movie when the series was released, and dropped out precisely because of it, both men expressing disgust at the series' graphic scenes, including [[spoiler:Fury disemboweling BigBad Rudi Gagarin and strangling him with his own intestines]].
* As the title may indicate ''ComicBook/ThePunisherKillsTheMarvelUniverse'' has the Punisher indiscriminately murder every superhuman in the Marvel universe. It's unlikely that many people would want to see Frank Castle slaughter their favorite superheroes, and even if you agree with writer Creator/GarthEnnis' [[AuthorTract bias against superheroes]], you're likely going to see the Punisher as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic for killing heroes who had nothing to do with his family's death.
* Creator Creator/BrianKVaughan has quite candidly admitted that this {{trope}} was a major fear of his when he was first writing ''ComicBook/{{Saga}}'' as it's an original, non-superhero, [[WarIsHell anti-war]] PlanetaryRomance ScienceFantasy -- but one that is ''absolutely'' for adults -- featuring a [[MinorityShowGhetto non-white]] married couple as the leads, gory violence, and an abundance of [[FanDisservice graphic]] [[FetishRetardant space alien sex.]] Not to mention how Fiona Staples' bright, colorful stylized artwork (the same she uses for ''ComicBook/ArchieComics2015''!) seems to [[ArtStyleDissonance fit better]] with a series [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids much brighter and happier than it actually is.]] Ultimately, however, the trope was triumphantly averted, when ''Saga'' garnered massive critical acclaim and became one of the [[AndYouThoughtItWouldFail best-selling ongoing series of the 2010's.]]
* ''ComicBook/{{Trouble}}'' was universally condemned upon release. Among the reasons as such include being advertised as a romance comic despite not really being one, but the biggest one being [[spoiler:its ties to the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' franchise: namely being about the adventures of teenaged versions of Peter Parker's parents, Uncle Ben, and Aunt May and the attempt to {{retcon}} that May was really Peter's birth mother]]. It was so reviled that it's not canon to either the classic or ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universes.
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Some shows never stood a chance. Not necessarily because they're bad, but because the very concept scared people away. This is the Audience Alienating Premise. An idea that could be cool and could even make a fantastic show, book, movie, video game or comic, and may very well have, but which instead dooms the work from the very start due to the mere concept being a difficult sell. Sadly, due to how it "sounds", many people won't try it out.

This can play out in the inherent struggles with trying to get people excited with niche genres (horror films with {{Squick}} and NauseaFuel), foreign material that doesn't translate well [[WidgetSeries (comedies with puns based on the native language)]], genres that were killed off some time ago ({{blaxploitation}} can only exist today in {{parody}}), adaptations of an existing property with a built in stigma (''Literature/PeterPan'' is for kids because of the [[Disney/PeterPan Disney movie]]), trying to appeal to too many demographics at the same time (making only that part of the film intelligible to its target audience), or the execution itself takes things in an unexpected direction.

Note that this is not a judgement call on the work itself. [[TaintedByThePreview Marketing itself can be entirely at fault]], trying to sell it as something more generic when it has plenty of other qualities to offer. Sometimes attempts to mimic styles popular from other cultures comes off as too different for audiences to understand and appreciate, even though it is a fine example of that genre in its own right. Of course, a work with such an obstacle can rise above it and achieve recognition; in many cases an oddball work is shunned on release only to become a CultClassic, often being either VindicatedByVideo or VindicatedByCable. Simply having [[SugarWiki/BetterThanItSounds an off-sounding premise]] doesn't immediately qualify for this trope, as sometimes a [[Franchise/StarWars movie inspired by 1930s pulp space adventures]] or [[Music/BlackSabbath psychedelic rock with horror themes]] ends up being wildly successful anyway. Compare that to ItWillNeverCatchOn.

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Some shows never stood a chance. Not necessarily because they're bad, but because the very concept scared people away. This is the Audience Alienating Audience-Alienating Premise. An idea that could be cool and could even make a fantastic show, book, movie, video game or comic, and may very well have, but which instead dooms the work from the very start due to the mere concept being a difficult sell. Sadly, due to how it "sounds", many people won't try it out.

This can play out in the inherent struggles with trying to get people excited with niche genres (horror films with {{Squick}} and NauseaFuel), foreign material that doesn't translate well [[WidgetSeries (comedies with puns based on the native language)]], genres that were killed off some time ago ({{blaxploitation}} can only exist today in {{parody}}), adaptations of an existing property with a built in built-in stigma (''Literature/PeterPan'' is for kids because of the [[Disney/PeterPan Disney movie]]), trying to appeal to too many demographics at the same time (making only that part of the film intelligible to its target audience), or the execution itself takes things in an unexpected direction.

Note that this is not a judgement judgment call on the work itself. [[TaintedByThePreview Marketing itself can be entirely at fault]], trying to sell it as something more generic when it has plenty of other qualities to offer. Sometimes attempts to mimic styles popular from other cultures comes off as too different for audiences to understand and appreciate, even though it is a fine example of that genre in its own right. Of course, a work with such an obstacle can rise above it and achieve recognition; in many cases an oddball work is shunned on release only to become a CultClassic, often being either VindicatedByVideo or VindicatedByCable. Simply having [[SugarWiki/BetterThanItSounds an off-sounding premise]] doesn't immediately qualify for this trope, as sometimes a [[Franchise/StarWars movie inspired by 1930s pulp space adventures]] or [[Music/BlackSabbath psychedelic rock with horror themes]] ends up being wildly successful anyway. Compare that to ItWillNeverCatchOn.



** DarknessInducedAudienceApathy -- When the entire setting and narrative is so hopeless and [[StrawNihilist nihilistic]] that the audience [[EightDeadlyWords just gives up rooting for the doomed characters]].

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** DarknessInducedAudienceApathy -- When the entire setting and narrative is are so hopeless and [[StrawNihilist nihilistic]] that the audience [[EightDeadlyWords just gives up rooting for the doomed characters]].



* {{Deconstruction}}s, parodies, and sub genres of genres that an audience isn't familiar with or haven't been prominent in the medium of work. How many people would really go to see a movie that parodies SteamPunk?

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* {{Deconstruction}}s, parodies, and sub genres sub-genres of genres that an audience isn't familiar with or haven't been prominent in the medium of work. How many people would really go to see a movie that parodies SteamPunk?



Compare GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff when a work winds up much more popular in another country due to differences in tastes and ValuesResonance. When the alienated audience is in another country, it's AmericansHateTingle. This is usually attributable to ValuesDissonance. PublicMediumIgnorance is for works which suffer from a strong tendency to be audience alienating. More often than not, the resulting work is OvershadowedByControversy.

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Compare GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff when a work winds up much more popular in another country due to differences in tastes and ValuesResonance. When the alienated audience is in another country, it's AmericansHateTingle. This is usually attributable to ValuesDissonance. PublicMediumIgnorance is for works which suffer from a strong tendency to be audience alienating.audience-alienating. More often than not, the resulting work is OvershadowedByControversy.



** A MagicalGirl maxiseries created during early '80s? It didn't stand a chance, so Creator/DCComics killed the series by making the main character evil and blowing up her homeworld. Of course, if they had the foresight to allow the property to live until [[Anime/SailorMoon the '90s]], they could have had a hot product on their hands.
** Relaunched in 2012 as the lead feature of ''ComicBook/SwordOfSorcery'', written by Creator/ChristyMarx, the woman behind ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}''. The comic again failed to find an audience, and was cancelled with Issue #8 in early 2013. While the relaunch had some potential going for it, it also ran into a number of the same roadblocks -- for a comic that was being promoted with kid-friendly shorts on Creator/CartoonNetwork's WesternAnimation/DCNation, it went for more of a "''Series/GameOfThrones'' with magical gem powers" vibe and featured an [[http://comicsalliance.com/so-theres-an-attempted-gang-rape-in-the-first-issue-of-amethys/ attempted gang rape]] in its first issue.

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** A MagicalGirl maxiseries created during the early '80s? It didn't stand a chance, so Creator/DCComics killed the series by making the main character evil and blowing up her homeworld. Of course, if they had the foresight to allow the property to live until [[Anime/SailorMoon the '90s]], they could have had a hot product on their hands.
** Relaunched in 2012 as the lead feature of ''ComicBook/SwordOfSorcery'', written by Creator/ChristyMarx, the woman behind ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}''. The comic again failed to find an audience, audience and was cancelled with Issue #8 in early 2013. While the relaunch had some potential going for it, it also ran into a number of the same roadblocks -- for a comic that was being promoted with kid-friendly shorts on Creator/CartoonNetwork's WesternAnimation/DCNation, it went for more of a "''Series/GameOfThrones'' with magical gem powers" vibe and featured an [[http://comicsalliance.com/so-theres-an-attempted-gang-rape-in-the-first-issue-of-amethys/ attempted gang rape]] in its first issue.



* ''ComicBook/PowerPack'' (the original 1980s comic): {{Kid hero}}es, except that, instead of featuring wacky antics and dumb adult villains, the theme was played totally straight. The story took itself seriously (not only was the comic pretty dark at times, but the kids were even featured in the ComicBook/XMen's ''Mutant Massacre'' crossover, which was every bit as dark as it sounds), but many people wrote it off because it was about kids. Most adult comic readers dismissed it out of hand, because they assumed a story about children would just be wacky and stupid, and kids who wanted to see wacky antics probably ended up disappointed. It's no coincidence that most of the letters to the editor came from adults, with only the occasional 12-year-old, who were surprised at the quality of the storytelling.

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* ''ComicBook/PowerPack'' (the original 1980s comic): {{Kid hero}}es, except that, instead of featuring wacky antics and dumb adult villains, the theme was played totally straight. The story took itself seriously (not only was the comic pretty dark at times, but the kids were even featured in the ComicBook/XMen's ''Mutant Massacre'' crossover, which was every bit as dark as it sounds), but many people wrote it off because it was about kids. Most adult comic readers dismissed it out of hand, hand because they assumed a story about children would just be wacky and stupid, and kids who wanted to see wacky antics probably ended up disappointed. It's no coincidence that most of the letters to the editor came from adults, with only the occasional 12-year-old, who were surprised at the quality of the storytelling.



** Penders also penned an earlier special which was packaged as ''Sonic Live!''. Its lead story is a cringe-worthy piece where Sonic meets up with two real-world children[[note]]based and photographed after Penders' real life son and niece[[/note]] and fight alternate Robotniks while learning he's a fictional character created by a random staff artist on behalf of a couple of white SEGA executives. Or in other words, it was an IndecisiveParody of ''Film/LastActionHero'' with Sonic and guest-stars the writer's family.

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** Penders also penned an earlier special which was packaged as ''Sonic Live!''. Its lead story is a cringe-worthy piece where Sonic meets up with two real-world children[[note]]based and photographed after Penders' real life real-life son and niece[[/note]] and fight alternate Robotniks while learning he's a fictional character created by a random staff artist on behalf of a couple of white SEGA executives. Or in other words, it was an IndecisiveParody of ''Film/LastActionHero'' with Sonic and guest-stars the writer's family.



** The third volume qualifies even more: it dropped the above mentioned characters, with the art and tone of the comic shifting to what seemed to be a lazy ripoff of Matt Fraction's ''ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}'' ongoing. Many fans dropped the book, and it was cancelled after 15 issues.

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** The third volume qualifies even more: it dropped the above mentioned above-mentioned characters, with the art and tone of the comic shifting to what seemed to be a lazy ripoff of Matt Fraction's ''ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}'' ongoing. Many fans dropped the book, and it was cancelled after 15 issues.



* Jonathan Hickman's run on ''ComicBook/NewAvengers'' struggles with this; since GreyAndGrayMorality and heroes being forced to do morally questionable things is a major theme, it's developed a reputation as being little more than an ongoing series of displays of how morally bankrupt the protagonists are. [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Only so many people can enjoy seeing beloved heroes like Black Panther and Mr. Fantastic acting like super villains.]] While the book sold fairly well, it was arguably more due to it's place as a cornerstone of the highly-publicized ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' crossover than of the characters or story. A big part of the problem is that other groups aside from the protagonists are depicted as coming up with solutions to the story's big conflict that ''don't'' involve doing horribly amoral things. This has created an awkward situation where people like ''Doctor Doom'' are seen by fans as doing a better job at being heroes than the actual heroes.

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* Jonathan Hickman's run on ''ComicBook/NewAvengers'' struggles with this; since GreyAndGrayMorality and heroes being forced to do morally questionable things is a major theme, it's developed a reputation as being little more than an ongoing series of displays of how morally bankrupt the protagonists are. [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Only so many people can enjoy seeing beloved heroes like Black Panther and Mr. Fantastic acting like super villains.]] While the book sold fairly well, it was arguably more due to it's its place as a cornerstone of the highly-publicized ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' crossover than of the characters or story. A big part of the problem is that other groups aside from the protagonists are depicted as coming up with solutions to the story's big conflict that ''don't'' involve doing horribly amoral immoral things. This has created an awkward situation where people like ''Doctor Doom'' are seen by fans as doing a better job at being heroes than the actual heroes.



* Robert Kirkman's ''[[ComicBook/AntMan The Irredeemable Ant-Man]]'': according to Kirkman, the idea was to have the protagonist start out as a cowardly jerk and evolve into a real hero over time. Unfortunately, the comic put extremely heavy emphasis on how much of a jerk the new ComicBook/AntMan was while failing to play up his HiddenHeartOfGold; Marvel's advertising didn't help, selling the comic with the tagline "The World's Most ''Unlikable'' Superhero". Non-fans of Ant-Man were driven away, while Ant-Man fans left out of disgust at the thought of such a douche taking over the title. Creator/EvangelineLilly read the series as research for the ''Film/AntMan'' movie, and publicly dismissed it as "crap".

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* Robert Kirkman's ''[[ComicBook/AntMan The Irredeemable Ant-Man]]'': according to Kirkman, the idea was to have the protagonist start out as a cowardly jerk and evolve into a real hero over time. Unfortunately, the comic put extremely heavy emphasis on how much of a jerk the new ComicBook/AntMan was while failing to play up his HiddenHeartOfGold; Marvel's advertising didn't help, selling the comic with the tagline "The World's Most ''Unlikable'' Superhero". Non-fans of Ant-Man were driven away, while Ant-Man fans left out of disgust at the thought of such a douche taking over the title. Creator/EvangelineLilly read the series as research for the ''Film/AntMan'' movie, movie and publicly dismissed it as "crap".



* Likewise, the fanfic 'verse ''The Fall of Equestria'', which is about the aftermath of [[SugarBowl Equestria]] losing a war to what can only be described as "[[ThoseWackyNazis the Nazis]] if they had stomach-turning depravity and [[NoWomansLand misogyny]] instead of white supremacy and [[MadScientist mad science]] as their schtick, and were also {{Villain Sue}}s." The amount of stories set in it can be counted on your fingers, and they're all the worst possible fusion of holocaust survivor story and ''Literature/The120DaysOfSodom''. There are approximately 50 {{Hate Fic}}s, most of which end in total caribou (rape-nazi) genocide; each of which get downvoted for even being ''tangentially related'' to [=FoE.=]

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* Likewise, the fanfic 'verse ''The Fall of Equestria'', which is about the aftermath of [[SugarBowl Equestria]] losing a war to what can only be described as "[[ThoseWackyNazis the Nazis]] if they had stomach-turning depravity and [[NoWomansLand misogyny]] instead of white supremacy and [[MadScientist mad science]] as their schtick, and were also {{Villain Sue}}s." The amount number of stories set in it can be counted on your fingers, and they're all the worst possible fusion of holocaust survivor story and ''Literature/The120DaysOfSodom''. There are approximately 50 {{Hate Fic}}s, most of which end in total caribou (rape-nazi) genocide; each of which get gets downvoted for even being ''tangentially related'' to [=FoE.=]



* When they were first invented in the mid-20th century, bikinis were not at all popular, and were even banned or discouraged in various countries. The reasons should be obvious: A female swimsuit that amounts to little more than undergarments, invented by ''a man''. Being used to more modest traditional two-pieces, most women were not keen on walking around nearly naked in such contexts where it was mostly unheard of at the time.

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* When they were first invented in the mid-20th century, bikinis were not at all popular, popular and were even banned or discouraged in various countries. The reasons should be obvious: A female swimsuit that amounts to little more than undergarments, invented by ''a man''. Being used to more modest traditional two-pieces, most women were not keen on walking around nearly naked in such contexts where it was mostly unheard of at the time.



* ''Animation/ElArca'' is an animated retelling of the story of Noah's Ark that is very questionably written: Christians who would have been interested in the film for its Biblical story were turned off by its blasphemy and raunchiness, the aforementioned sexual themes made the movie unsuitable for children when its art style seemed geared for them, and everyone (except for a [[VocalMinority few members]] of the UsefulNotes/FurryFandom) were repulsed by a few heavily sexualised animal characters. The movie seemed to have no idea who its audience were supposed to be and consequently it failed and [[{{Pun}} sank]] into obscurity.

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* ''Animation/ElArca'' is an animated retelling of the story of Noah's Ark that is very questionably written: Christians who would have been interested in the film for its Biblical story were turned off by its blasphemy and raunchiness, the aforementioned sexual themes made the movie unsuitable for children when its art style seemed geared for them, and everyone (except for a [[VocalMinority few members]] of the UsefulNotes/FurryFandom) were repulsed by a few heavily sexualised animal characters. The movie seemed to have no idea who its audience were was supposed to be and consequently consequently, it failed and [[{{Pun}} sank]] into obscurity.



* Double example: ''WesternAnimation/TitanicTheLegendGoesOn'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfTheTitanic''. One takes a hundred-plus-year-ago tragedy, and just throws in a bunch of wacky hijinx to comprise everything prior to what actually happened. The other takes the same event (though for the most part, treats things much more seriously), and turns it into an anti-whaling aesop, to say nothing about its fictional aversion of what happened in real life.

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* Double example: ''WesternAnimation/TitanicTheLegendGoesOn'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfTheTitanic''. One takes a hundred-plus-year-ago tragedy, tragedy and just throws in a bunch of wacky hijinx to comprise everything prior to what actually happened. The other takes the same event (though for the most part, treats things much more seriously), and turns it into an anti-whaling aesop, Aesop, to say nothing about its fictional aversion of what happened in real life.



* The trippy 1981 Hungarian film ''Animation/SonOfTheWhiteHorse''. The premise was fine: a feature-length retelling of a folk tale everyone from that country knows. The execution was something else. A bold, overwhelming audio-visual kaleidoscope of esoteric folk iconography that was so unusual in its visual style that even the animators complained. The story was expanded with numerous Eurasian myths and heavy symbolism, but the plot and characters remained paper-thin to stay true to the source material. This turned off the adults. As for the kids, they didn't care too much for the eerie sound design, abstract art and excessive genital/sexual imagery. The film tanked hard upon release, but garnered appreciation over the following decades.

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* The trippy 1981 Hungarian film ''Animation/SonOfTheWhiteHorse''. The premise was fine: a feature-length retelling of a folk tale everyone from that country knows. The execution was something else. A bold, overwhelming audio-visual kaleidoscope of esoteric folk iconography that was so unusual in its visual style that even the animators complained. The story was expanded with numerous Eurasian myths and heavy symbolism, but the plot and characters remained paper-thin to stay true to the source material. This turned off the adults. As for the kids, they didn't care too much for the eerie sound design, abstract art art, and excessive genital/sexual imagery. The film tanked hard upon release, release but garnered appreciation over the following decades.



* Anything that involves deliberately cultivating rot or mould to produce the taste, from blue cheese to the traditional Icelandic ''hakarl'' (rotten ''shark'') to the Japanese ''natto'' (fermented soybeans), tends to generate this reaction from some. Even ''beer'', another product of fermentation, is an acquired taste for some people. Of special note is huitlacoche, a delicacy in Mexico consisting of corn infected with a parasitic fungus, better known to English-speakers as smut. The fungus proliferates in the corn kernels, swelling them up to massive proportions and turning them bluish. Few people outside of Mexico are willing to eat these things, even after attempts to call them names like "corn mushrooms" or "Mexican truffles" to make them sound more palatable (and they are harmless to humans even when raw), and huitlacoche is restricted or outright banned from import into most countries due to most people seeing it as a blight rather than something to eat. Their fears are {{justified|Trope}}, however, because farmers who just want to sell normal corn, and consumers who just want to eat normal corn, will not appreciate this highly contagious fungus infecting these plants.

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* Anything that involves deliberately cultivating rot or mould to produce the taste, from blue cheese to the traditional Icelandic ''hakarl'' (rotten ''shark'') to the Japanese ''natto'' (fermented soybeans), tends to generate this reaction from some. Even ''beer'', another product of fermentation, is an acquired taste for some people. Of special note is huitlacoche, a delicacy in Mexico consisting of corn infected with a parasitic fungus, better known to English-speakers as smut. The fungus proliferates in the corn kernels, swelling them up to massive proportions and turning them bluish. Few people outside of Mexico are willing to eat these things, even after attempts to call them names like "corn mushrooms" or "Mexican truffles" to make them sound more palatable (and they are harmless to humans even when raw), and huitlacoche is restricted or outright banned from import into most countries due to most people seeing it as a blight rather than something to eat. Their fears are {{justified|Trope}}, however, because farmers who just want to sell normal corn, corn and consumers who just want to eat normal corn, will not appreciate this highly contagious fungus infecting these plants.



* [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Combining both mould and insects]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu casu marzu]], [[MasochistsMeal an Italian cheese partially digested by live insect larvae.]] Cracked.com describes it as "so ashamed of its own existance it literally cries," due to it producing a thick liquid called "tears" by the people who make it.

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* [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Combining both mould and insects]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu casu marzu]], [[MasochistsMeal an Italian cheese partially digested by live insect larvae.]] Cracked.com describes it as "so ashamed of its own existance existence it literally cries," due to it producing a thick liquid called "tears" by the people who make it.



* Fugu, a blowfish in which certain organs contain a deadly poison. Chefs are understandably only allowed to prepare it for customers after a three year training course to make sure they can accurately remove all the dangerous parts, and still there are occasional deaths from improper preparation. It's a delicacy in Japan, but hasn't caught on anywhere else for obvious reasons.
* Veal is another controversial example. Not only is it meat from a baby cow, but meat from a baby cow that has been restricted from moving around in order to keep the meat tender and flavorful, which can also lead to abnormal development. Veal also tends to be more expensive than beef from older cattle, so those willing to look past the unsavory aspects of production may not be willing to shell out extra cash for it.

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* Fugu, a blowfish in which certain organs contain a deadly poison. Chefs are understandably only allowed to prepare it for customers after a three year three-year training course to make sure they can accurately remove all the dangerous parts, and still there are still occasional deaths from improper preparation. It's a delicacy in Japan, Japan but hasn't caught on anywhere else for obvious reasons.
* Veal is another controversial example. Not only is it meat from a baby cow, but meat from a baby cow that has been restricted from moving around in order to keep the meat tender and flavorful, which can also lead to abnormal development. Veal also tends to be more expensive than beef from older cattle, cattle so those willing to look past the unsavory aspects of production may not be willing to shell out extra cash for it.



* ''Literature/AlfiesHome'' is a children's storybook about a kid who, due to his parents constantly arguing, latches onto the sexual abuse from his uncle as his only source of affection. That alone is a hard sell, but it could have found a niche helping kids who deal with sexual abuse in RealLife... that is until it brings up the possibility of Alfie becoming gay from all this (something based on a long discredited psychological theory), and [[CureYourGays treats it as a problem that must be taken care of]] [[EpiphanyTherapy by a few words with a counselor]]. You can probably imagine why the book was lambasted by everyone who has read it.

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* ''Literature/AlfiesHome'' is a children's storybook about a kid who, due to his parents constantly arguing, latches onto the sexual abuse from his uncle as his only source of affection. That alone is a hard sell, but it could have found a niche helping kids who deal with sexual abuse in RealLife... that is until it brings up the possibility of Alfie becoming gay from all this (something based on a long discredited long-discredited psychological theory), and [[CureYourGays treats it as a problem that must be taken care of]] [[EpiphanyTherapy by a few words with a counselor]]. You can probably imagine why the book was lambasted by everyone who has read it.



* ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' is about a world where only about 10% of the population is male, and this leads to polygamy. Already a rather odd premise, not to mention the fact that polygamy is a rather controversial idea in the west. Worse yet, the cover and advertising was apparently designed to appeal to a mainstream romance audience, who likely won't like the book ''at all'' as it's more of a thriller.

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* ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' is about a world where only about 10% of the population is male, and this leads to polygamy. Already a rather odd premise, not to mention the fact that polygamy is a rather controversial idea in the west. Worse yet, the cover and advertising was were apparently designed to appeal to a mainstream romance audience, who likely won't like the book ''at all'' as it's more of a thriller.



* ''[[Literature/ViridianSaga Awoken]]'' (written by Creator/LindsayEllis [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick and Elisa Hansen, among others]]) is a parody of the TeenParanormalRomance genre, specifically "''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets the]] Franchise/CthulhuMythos". When asked if it was an audience alienating premise, they responded with "That's the joke."

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* ''[[Literature/ViridianSaga Awoken]]'' (written by Creator/LindsayEllis [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick and Elisa Hansen, among others]]) is a parody of the TeenParanormalRomance genre, specifically "''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets the]] Franchise/CthulhuMythos". When asked if it was an audience alienating audience-alienating premise, they responded with "That's the joke."



* The article's opening quote refers to one of the seminal canon works of Willa Cather, one of the most prominent female authors of the first half of the 20th century (one of her others, ''My Antonia'' was published in 1901). Indeed, she frequently wrote about Nebraska - one of the least densely-populated and featured of the United States. Cather's most famous work, ''The Professor's House'' was partially written in response to this trope (and consequently is more like a DarkFic or {{Deconstruction}} compared to her earlier works - and most notably, takes place along the shores of the Great Lakes with flashbacks to Arizona).

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* The article's opening quote refers to one of the seminal canon works of Willa Cather, one of the most prominent female authors of the first half of the 20th century (one of her others, ''My Antonia'' was published in 1901). Indeed, she frequently wrote about Nebraska - one of the least densely-populated and featured of in the United States. Cather's most famous work, ''The Professor's House'' was partially written in response to this trope (and consequently is more like a DarkFic or {{Deconstruction}} compared to her earlier works - and most notably, takes place along the shores of the Great Lakes with flashbacks to Arizona).



* ''[[http://www.nancydrewsleuth.com/ndriverheights.html River Heights]]'' was a spin-off of ''The Nancy Drew Files'' series (itself a spinoff of [[Franchise/NancyDrew the original books]]), receiving a PoorlyDisguisedPilot in that series. The series itself had very little mention of Nancy herself, instead focusing on a neighbor of hers named Nikki, and was instead a high school drama series not unlike ''Sweet Valley High.'' Fans of Nancy weren't interested in teen drama (and if they were, were likely already reading other series, like the aforementioned ''Sweet Valley High''), fans of drama likely thought it was straight mystery (because of the tie-with Nancy Drew), and the series faded away after about 16 books. Not learning their lesson, they tried this again with ''Nancy Drew on Campus,'' another spinoff that sent Nancy away to college and, yet again, pushed aside the mysteries in favor of more young adult drama. Again, the series died off after 25 books (while this sounds impressive, realize that Nancy Drew books are ridiculously LongRunners, with the original series lasting to 175, while the ''Files'' spinoff lasted to 124, and even less successful series such as ''Girl Detective'' survived all the way to 47.)

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* ''[[http://www.nancydrewsleuth.com/ndriverheights.html River Heights]]'' was a spin-off of ''The Nancy Drew Files'' series (itself a spinoff of [[Franchise/NancyDrew the original books]]), receiving a PoorlyDisguisedPilot in that series. The series itself had very little mention of Nancy herself, instead focusing on a neighbor of hers named Nikki, and was instead a high school drama series not unlike ''Sweet Valley High.'' Fans of Nancy weren't interested in teen drama (and if they were, were likely already reading other series, like the aforementioned ''Sweet Valley High''), fans of drama likely thought it was a straight mystery (because of the tie-with Nancy Drew), and the series faded away after about 16 books. Not learning their lesson, they tried this again with ''Nancy Drew on Campus,'' another spinoff that sent Nancy away to college and, yet again, pushed aside the mysteries in favor of more young adult drama. Again, the series died off after 25 books (while this sounds impressive, realize that Nancy Drew books are ridiculously LongRunners, with the original series lasting to 175, while the ''Files'' spinoff lasted to 124, and even less successful series such as ''Girl Detective'' survived all the way to 47.)



* The ''{{Literature/Gor}}'' novels. Not only do they present men enslaving women as a good and proper thing to do, they also go on to advocate that slaves be treated "with great harshness and cruelty" and to show those harshly treated women as finding HappinessInSlavery.

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* The ''{{Literature/Gor}}'' novels. Not only do they present men enslaving women as a good and proper thing to do, but they also go on to advocate that slaves be treated "with great harshness and cruelty" and to show those harshly treated women as finding HappinessInSlavery.



* Music/IgorStravinsky's ''Theatre/TheRiteOfSpring'': A dissonant, loud and threatening avant-garde ballet about the ritual sacrifice of a young virgin in prehistoric times to hail a new Spring? Sounds lovely! In fact, during the premiere performance the audience rioted.

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* Music/IgorStravinsky's ''Theatre/TheRiteOfSpring'': A dissonant, loud and threatening avant-garde ballet about the ritual sacrifice of a young virgin in prehistoric times to hail a new Spring? Sounds lovely! In fact, during the premiere performance performance, the audience rioted.



* ProgressiveRock in general. While the genre is widespread, incorporating many different styles such as folk, metal, and classical music, most people only know it as "20-minute-long keyboard solos", despite there being many songs which only go on for about five minutes, and having music that incorporates absolutely nothing other than guitar, bass, drums and vocals.

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* ProgressiveRock in general. While the genre is widespread, incorporating many different styles such as folk, metal, and classical music, most people only know it as "20-minute-long keyboard solos", despite there being many songs which only go on for about five minutes, and having music that incorporates absolutely nothing other than guitar, bass, drums drums, and vocals.



* This might be why metal band ''iwrestledabearonce'' haven't been able to get really big in the music world yet. They look like [[http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/iwrestledabearonce-2013.jpg a bunch of scene kids]] and get [[MisaimedMarketing marketed to that scene despite rejecting the label.]] Their sound is based out of AvantGardeMetal with [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly a bizarre hodgepodge of every type of metal and non metal styles out there.]] In short, they are too "weird" for scene kids while metalheads reject them for their image.

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* This might be why metal band ''iwrestledabearonce'' haven't been able to get really big in the music world yet. They look like [[http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/iwrestledabearonce-2013.jpg a bunch of scene kids]] and get [[MisaimedMarketing marketed to that scene despite rejecting the label.]] Their sound is based out of AvantGardeMetal with [[NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly a bizarre hodgepodge of every type of metal and non metal non-metal styles out there.]] In short, they are too "weird" for scene kids while metalheads reject them for their image.



* Music/FrankZappa: A man who [[GenreRoulette changes styles and genres in every composition or song he writes]]. Just as you're starting to enjoy a melody he may suddenly cut it off and replace it by something bizarre and offsetting. Regular poppy songs are intercut with avantgarde classical music, doowop chants, long and complex jazzy jams, bizarre quotes and conversations and sometimes silly noises. If you are someone who likes listening to all kinds of music you're going to have to stomach that this musician will also use his melodies to provide scathing social commentary, pointed {{Satire}}, bawdy and offensive sex jokes, inside jokes only he and his fellow musicians will get and sometimes plain stupid sing-a-longs about dangerous kitchens, poodles, sex dolls and SmellyFeet. As a record producer once said: ''No commercial potential''. Indeed Zappa has always remained in the marginal corners of the musical scene, but still managed to build up a fanatical cult following.

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* Music/FrankZappa: A man who [[GenreRoulette changes styles and genres in every composition or song he writes]]. Just as you're starting to enjoy a melody he may suddenly cut it off and replace it by something bizarre and offsetting. Regular poppy songs are intercut with avantgarde avant-garde classical music, doowop doo-wop chants, long and complex jazzy jams, bizarre quotes and conversations and sometimes silly noises. If you are someone who likes listening to all kinds of music you're going to have to stomach that this musician will also use his melodies to provide scathing social commentary, pointed {{Satire}}, bawdy and offensive sex jokes, inside jokes only he and his fellow musicians will get and sometimes plain stupid sing-a-longs about dangerous kitchens, poodles, sex dolls and SmellyFeet. As a record producer once said: ''No commercial potential''. Indeed Zappa has always remained in the marginal corners of the musical scene, but still managed to build up a fanatical cult following.



* Music/JohnLennon and Music/YokoOno's first three albums are all experimental recordings. ''Music/UnfinishedMusicNo1TwoVirgins'' (1968) is basically John and Yoko experimenting with noise and feedback while Yoko wails. ''Music/UnfinishedMusicNo2LifeWithTheLions'' (1969) has more of the same, though luckily only one LP side worth of that. The second side is Yoko and John singing newspaper articles, a recording of the heartbeat monitor of their unborn baby (who died in miscarriage), two minutes or pure silence and Yoko playing around with a radio. ''Music/WeddingAlbum'' (1969) has John and Yoko saying their names for one entire LP side, while side 2 is a couple of songs, press interviews and background noise in their hotel room during their ''Bed-In'' peace project. Needless to say, it's not difficult to see why these albums are not often mentioned when people lament Lennon's genius as a songwriter!
* ''Music/SongsOfTheHumpbackWhale'' was the first album with nothing but sounds of singing whales. At the time humans had always thought whales were mute, but this record proved otherwise. It was first released as a free record with an issue of National Geographic Magazine, because nobody thought anyone would buy it. Unexpectedly there was such a high demand for it that it was released as a full album and became an international bestseller. It was instrumental in showing people that these creatures' singing abilities were a hidden talent and cemented the image of the whale as a GentleGiant in people's heads. The entire "Save The Whales" movement was inspired by this record and eventually the entire album was deemed so important that the UsefulNotes/NationalRecordingRegistry selected it for preservation.

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* Music/JohnLennon and Music/YokoOno's first three albums are all experimental recordings. ''Music/UnfinishedMusicNo1TwoVirgins'' (1968) is basically John and Yoko experimenting with noise and feedback while Yoko wails. ''Music/UnfinishedMusicNo2LifeWithTheLions'' (1969) has more of the same, though luckily only one LP side worth of that. The second side is Yoko and John singing newspaper articles, a recording of the heartbeat monitor of their unborn baby (who died in miscarriage), two minutes or of pure silence and Yoko playing around with a radio. ''Music/WeddingAlbum'' (1969) has John and Yoko saying their names for one entire LP side, while side 2 is a couple of songs, press interviews and background noise in their hotel room during their ''Bed-In'' peace project. Needless to say, it's not difficult to see why these albums are not often mentioned when people lament Lennon's genius as a songwriter!
* ''Music/SongsOfTheHumpbackWhale'' was the first album with nothing but sounds of singing whales. At the time humans had always thought whales were mute, but this record proved otherwise. It was first released as a free record with an issue of National Geographic Magazine, Magazine because nobody thought anyone would buy it. Unexpectedly there was such a high demand for it that it was released as a full album and became an international bestseller. It was instrumental in showing people that these creatures' singing abilities were a hidden talent and cemented the image of the whale as a GentleGiant in people's heads. The entire "Save The Whales" movement was inspired by this record and eventually eventually, the entire album was deemed so important that the UsefulNotes/NationalRecordingRegistry selected it for preservation.



* Big Grams, consisting of rapper [[Music/{{Outkast}} Big Boi]] and indietronica band Phantogram, wasn't able reach anything further than a niche audience. The combination of SouthernRap and shoegazey glitch-pop was too odd to fit on either the urban or alternative formats. The ones that did listen to it, generally liked it however.

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* Big Grams, consisting of rapper [[Music/{{Outkast}} Big Boi]] and indietronica band Phantogram, wasn't able to reach anything further than a niche audience. The combination of SouthernRap and shoegazey glitch-pop was too odd to fit on either the urban or alternative formats. The ones that did listen to it, generally liked it it, however.



* This is cited by many as the reason for the era of BubblegumMusic lasting barely two years. The basic premise of bubblegum was that it was music to sell to children who 'couldn't listen to Music/TheBeatles any more because they didn't understand the drug references', but the low curation of the genre (with songs written by bored twenty-somethings) combined with the arty pop style of the late 60s meant that the lyrics were often too dark, sexual and lysergic for parents to allow their kids to listen to it, while the grownups were happy listening to real psychrock instead of the watered down version. Numerous bubblegum acts used their fame to gain full creative control of their output and put out bizarre albums no-one wanted, often with psychedelic/experimental (Music/TheMonkees) or [[ChristianRock apocalyptic Christian]] themes (Music/TheOsmonds and Music/TheCowsills) that served as NightmareFuel for the target audience of eleven-year-olds. Serious music nerds who might have been interested in the OutsiderMusic elements wouldn't be caught dead listening to something so uncool as a manufactured band to sell records to children. You couldn't even crush on a lot of bubblegum artists, since many were session musicians if not [[ComicBook/ArchieComics literal cartoon characters]]. Even now, people arguing for the genre's artistic legitimacy mostly cite its influence on future genres like {{Disco}} and PowerPop, rather than as something you can actually listen to and enjoy on its own merit, even if you are under 12.

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* This is cited by many as the reason for the era of BubblegumMusic lasting barely two years. The basic premise of bubblegum was that it was music to sell to children who 'couldn't listen to Music/TheBeatles any more because they didn't understand the drug references', but the low curation of the genre (with songs written by bored twenty-somethings) combined with the arty pop style of the late 60s meant that the lyrics were often too dark, sexual and lysergic for parents to allow their kids to listen to it, while the grownups were happy listening to real psychrock instead of the watered down version. Numerous bubblegum acts used their fame to gain full creative control of their output and put out bizarre albums no-one wanted, often with psychedelic/experimental (Music/TheMonkees) or [[ChristianRock apocalyptic Christian]] themes (Music/TheOsmonds and Music/TheCowsills) that served as NightmareFuel for the target audience of eleven-year-olds. Serious music nerds who might have been interested in the OutsiderMusic elements wouldn't be caught dead listening to something so uncool as a manufactured band to sell records to children. You couldn't even crush on a lot of bubblegum artists, artists since many were session musicians if not [[ComicBook/ArchieComics literal cartoon characters]]. Even now, people arguing for the genre's artistic legitimacy mostly cite its influence on future genres like {{Disco}} and PowerPop, rather than as something you can actually listen to and enjoy on its own merit, even if you are under 12.



* Music/{{ABBA}}'s ''Music/VoulezVous'' was accused of abandoning "the ABBA sound" by many fans at the time of release, since the only disco-esque song ABBA had released at the time was "Dancing Queen" two albums before, whereas this new album had a lot of disco influences. Coincidently, the band wasn't as popular at the time after they'd done a long tour through Australia in 1977, so this could have been a result of HypeBacklash, but ''Voulez Vous'' is as celebrated as any other ABBA album in the present day.
* "[[CelebrityIsOverrated Fame sucks]]" songs, such as "The Way I Am" by Music/{{Eminem}} and "Deep Inside" by Music/MaryJBlige, have the potential of becoming this. While the songs' premise is valid -- the artist is voicing their frustrations with fake friends, the loss of privacy, and other stresses of show business -- if done poorly it can come across as "Waaah being rich and famous is sooooo hard!"

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* Music/{{ABBA}}'s ''Music/VoulezVous'' was accused of abandoning "the ABBA sound" by many fans at the time of release, since the only disco-esque song ABBA had released at the time was "Dancing Queen" two albums before, whereas this new album had a lot of disco influences. Coincidently, the band wasn't as popular at the time after they'd done a long tour through Australia in 1977, 1977 so this could have been a result of HypeBacklash, but ''Voulez Vous'' is as celebrated as any other ABBA album in the present day.
* "[[CelebrityIsOverrated Fame sucks]]" songs, such as "The Way I Am" by Music/{{Eminem}} and "Deep Inside" by Music/MaryJBlige, have the potential of becoming this. While the songs' premise is valid -- the artist is voicing their frustrations with fake friends, the loss of privacy, and other stresses of show business -- if done poorly it can come across as "Waaah "Waaah, being rich and famous is sooooo hard!"



* ''Pinball/{{Orbitor 1}}'' is a pinball game built on a transparent warped plexi-bowl, which causes the ball to loop and spiral as it travels along the table. Unfortunately, the sparse layout, simple rules, and sheer difficulty of aiming shots on an uneven surface quickly turns off most players.

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* ''Pinball/{{Orbitor 1}}'' is a pinball game built on a transparent warped plexi-bowl, which causes the ball to loop and spiral as it travels along the table. Unfortunately, the sparse layout, simple rules, and sheer difficulty of aiming shots on an uneven surface quickly turns turn off most players.



* In the late 00's, Creator/{{Stern}} attempted to market pinball machines to China. Unfortunately for them, they [[MisaimedMarketing didn't check in advance what would appeal to their potential new audience]] and began with ''Big Buck Hunter Pro'' and ''NBA''--while basketball is pretty popular in China, both of these machines are based on thoroughly American franchises largely unfamiliar to Chinese audiences. Pinball is also not a concept that's widely understood in China the way it is in western countries, rendering it incomprehensible to any curious onlookers.

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* In the late 00's, '00s, Creator/{{Stern}} attempted to market pinball machines to China. Unfortunately for them, they [[MisaimedMarketing didn't check in advance what would appeal to their potential new audience]] and began with ''Big Buck Hunter Pro'' and ''NBA''--while basketball is pretty popular in China, both of these machines are based on thoroughly American franchises largely unfamiliar to Chinese audiences. Pinball is also not a concept that's widely understood in China the way it is in western countries, rendering it incomprehensible to any curious onlookers.



* While [[Wrestling/{{FMW}} Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling]] started with [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness the fairly tame premise]] of pro wrestlers competing against various martial artists and athletes from other sports, the "anything goes" nature of the bouts quickly saw an escalation to blood letting, burning, electrocution and worse. Those who watched FMW in its glory years will tell you it offered so many different match types that it was possible to still enjoy it while ignoring the more {{Garbage|Wrestler}} heavy matches and indeed, some did. On the flip side, when Kodo Fuyuki tried to introduce a safer style to FMW he called "sports entertainment", that was an audience alienating premise to the [[FanCommunityNickname FMW faithful]] who had learned to like the occasional blood bath and those who stuck around ended up leaving too when they learned "sports entertainment" translated to [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks less variety]] even among the normal matches. The concepts associated with "sports entertainment" would later be more successfully implemented by Wrestling/AllJapanProWrestling during its "Puroresu Love" rebuilding period and Wrestling/FightingOperaHUSTLE. HUSTLE was a bit of a cash sink that could only survive under Wrestling/NobuhikoTakada, but it at least had favorite wrestlers of many fans and BileFascination going for it.

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* While [[Wrestling/{{FMW}} Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling]] started with [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness the fairly tame premise]] of pro wrestlers competing against various martial artists and athletes from other sports, the "anything goes" nature of the bouts quickly saw an escalation to blood letting, bloodletting, burning, electrocution and worse. Those who watched FMW in its glory years will tell you it offered so many different match types that it was possible to still enjoy it while ignoring the more {{Garbage|Wrestler}} heavy matches and indeed, some did. On the flip side, when Kodo Fuyuki tried to introduce a safer style to FMW he called "sports entertainment", that was an audience alienating audience-alienating premise to the [[FanCommunityNickname FMW faithful]] who had learned to like the occasional blood bath and those who stuck around ended up leaving too when they learned "sports entertainment" translated to [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks less variety]] even among the normal matches. The concepts associated with "sports entertainment" would later be more successfully implemented by Wrestling/AllJapanProWrestling during its "Puroresu Love" rebuilding period and Wrestling/FightingOperaHUSTLE. HUSTLE was a bit of a cash sink that could only survive under Wrestling/NobuhikoTakada, but it at least had favorite wrestlers of many fans and BileFascination going for it.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheLittleMuppetMonsters''. As Scott Shaw! (who storyboarded the series) put it "The concept of this second half-hour was neither simple nor particularly well-developed." Basically, three new kid Muppet monsters live in the basement of the Muppets' home and create their own TV station which broadcasts Muppet-based cartoons, but only to the familiar Muppet characters living above them. Yeah. When a failure to produce the animated segments in time resulted in the show being replaced after three episodes by a second episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Muppet Babies|1984}}'' (the show was scheduled to follow ''Muppet Babies'' to create an hour-long slot called "Muppets, Babies and Monsters"), ratings shot up, and everyone involved said "Well, let's do that, then." ''LMM'''s [[MediumBlending blending]] of animation and Muppets would be handled much better in ''WesternAnimation/DogCity'' (adapted from a special aired on ''Series/TheJimHensonHour''), which lasted a good 31 episodes on Creator/FoxKids.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLittleMuppetMonsters''. As Scott Shaw! (who storyboarded the series) put it "The concept of this second half-hour was neither simple nor particularly well-developed." Basically, three new kid Muppet monsters live in the basement of the Muppets' home and create their own TV station which broadcasts Muppet-based cartoons, cartoons but only to the familiar Muppet characters living above them. Yeah. When a failure to produce the animated segments in time resulted in the show being replaced after three episodes by a second episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Muppet Babies|1984}}'' (the show was scheduled to follow ''Muppet Babies'' to create an hour-long slot called "Muppets, Babies and Monsters"), ratings shot up, and everyone involved said "Well, let's do that, then." ''LMM'''s [[MediumBlending blending]] of animation and Muppets would be handled much better in ''WesternAnimation/DogCity'' (adapted from a special aired on ''Series/TheJimHensonHour''), which lasted a good 31 episodes on Creator/FoxKids.



* There is a half-finished RPG called ''TabletopGame/RacialHolyWar''. The title alone probably satisfies any sane person's curiosity, but the premise is that in the future, folks without a lot of melanin are oppressed by racial stereotypes of those with a lot of melanin who have taken over the world at the behest of Jewish masters. Each of these non-white races are referred to exclusively through racial slurs, and each has a special attack based off negative stereotypes. The game seems aimed at ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' playing Klansmen who were upset racial minorities weren't in the Monster Manual. Even the elements that are there are so badly designed that some people suspect it's a StealthParody. ([[SincerityMode It really is not, it was written by a Priest in all seriousness]].)

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* There is a half-finished RPG called ''TabletopGame/RacialHolyWar''. The title alone probably satisfies any sane person's curiosity, but the premise is that in the future, folks without a lot of melanin are oppressed by racial stereotypes of those with a lot of melanin who have taken over the world at the behest of Jewish masters. Each of these non-white races are is referred to exclusively through racial slurs, and each has a special attack based off on negative stereotypes. The game seems aimed at ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' playing Klansmen who were upset racial minorities weren't in the Monster Manual. Even the elements that are there are so badly designed that some people suspect it's a StealthParody. ([[SincerityMode It really is not, it was written by a Priest in all seriousness]].)



* ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}}'' marketing campaign is a chronic, self-inducted nightmare anytime the game system is released in a new market. The system by its own intention and design is universal, thus can be used as players choose. So selling basic books and supplements to mechanics is easy, going as far as ads comparing the expansions with new sets of Franchise/{{LEGO}} by their compatibility. More so as they are solid and with standardised and transparent rules for just about anything players can imagine. But selling ''settings'' for the game? Forget it. While there are tons of predefined settings, worlds and even whole universes made for [=GURPS=], people are usually too preoccupied with "Generic" in the name of the game or with the idea of creating their own setting using "Universal" mechanics. Given that about 80-85% of all books released for [=GURPS=] are different, original and often very complex settings and their expansions, the struggle is real. Let's use the slogan "build your own game-world" and at the same time try to sell such worlds. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong\\\

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* ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}}'' marketing campaign is a chronic, self-inducted self-induced nightmare anytime the game system is released in a new market. The system by its own intention and design is universal, thus can be used as players choose. So selling basic books and supplements to mechanics is easy, going as far as ads comparing the expansions with new sets of Franchise/{{LEGO}} by their compatibility. More so as they are solid and with standardised and transparent rules for just about anything players can imagine. But selling ''settings'' for the game? Forget it. While there are tons of predefined settings, worlds and even whole universes made for [=GURPS=], people are usually too preoccupied with "Generic" in the name of the game or with the idea of creating their own setting using "Universal" mechanics. Given that about 80-85% of all books released for [=GURPS=] are different, original and often very complex settings and their expansions, the struggle is real. Let's use the slogan "build your own game-world" and at the same time try to sell such worlds. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong\\\



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Redakai}}'' was a trading card game doomed by its own gimmick. The cards are translucent with paint on certain parts, so that players had to stack cards and combine their attributes, and attacks take the form of battle damage that reduces the victim's health bar. Not a bad idea on paper, but this also means that you needed a special board to prevent your opponent from seeing what you have. Combine this with the "basic" game giving you no control over what happens, and you have a game that hit the bargain bin after just a couple of months. The AnimatedAdaptation being a critical and commercial flop as well also hurt it in this regard.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Redakai}}'' was a trading card game doomed by its own gimmick. The cards are translucent with paint on certain parts, parts so that players had to stack cards and combine their attributes, and attacks take the form of battle damage that reduces the victim's health bar. Not a bad idea on paper, but this also means that you needed a special board to prevent your opponent from seeing what you have. Combine this with the "basic" game giving you no control over what happens, and you have a game that hit the bargain bin after just a couple of months. The AnimatedAdaptation being a critical and commercial flop as well also hurt it in this regard.



*** Perhaps the most infamous example of this from the ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness''. While the World of Darkness -- as the name implies -- is a CrapSackWorld, most of the games shoot into AWorldHalfFull and let you EarnYourHappyEnding. Even then, there's definitely some DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in the setting and its metaplot, which was the slow wind-down to initial extinction. Wraith takes all that darkness and doubled-down. Your character is already dead, is in the underworld harrowed by his own destructive impulses -- which are trying to destroy him forever -- and everything he has in the underworld is made from the souls of those too weak to stand. Many an EldritchAbomination commands hordes of hungry, tormented spirits, and a restful afterlife looks to be little more than a happy fiction. The other wraiths live in a society that is a caricature of oppression in ancient Rome. The landscape and characters look like something H.G. Giger would paint if he were aiming for self-parody via BDSM. A few games of this, and even Warhammer sounds bright and cheery.

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*** Perhaps the most infamous example of this from the ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness''. While the World of Darkness -- as the name implies -- is a CrapSackWorld, most of the games shoot into AWorldHalfFull and let you EarnYourHappyEnding. Even then, there's definitely some DarknessInducedAudienceApathy in the setting and its metaplot, which was the slow wind-down to initial extinction. Wraith takes all that darkness and doubled-down. Your character is already dead, is in the underworld harrowed by his own destructive impulses -- which are trying to destroy him forever -- and everything he has in the underworld is made from the souls of those too weak to stand. Many an EldritchAbomination commands hordes of hungry, tormented spirits, and a restful afterlife looks to be little more than a happy fiction. The other wraiths live in a society that is a caricature of oppression in ancient Rome. The landscape and characters look like something H.G. Giger would paint if he were aiming for self-parody via BDSM. A few games of this, this and even Warhammer sounds bright and cheery.



** ''TabletopGame/KindredOfTheEast'', while not quite as bad off as Wraith or Changeling, suffered some of this as well, as it required Westerners to have a decent understanding of Asian mysticism and religions. It never came close to the popularity of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' and its many spin-offs due to this, which admittedly wasn't helped by the fact it came out in a time when actually getting the aforementioned research wasn't easy. To make the matters worse, if you do have even cursory understanding of Asian mysticism, then you start seeing major research failure from the authors.
** ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' puts a mechanically deep combat system in a world of harsh politics, where a normal soldier can win a fight and die of gangrene, and where longterm change is as dependent on good bureaucracy as on the fist of immortal god-killing warriors, strongly inspired by and often tearing apart classical mythological heroes of the past. In the Second Edition, this happened to be behind a game best-known for playable characters waving surfboard-sized swords and throwing around blasts of energy like ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', a part of the setting the mechanics theoretically supported but few [=GMs=] or players could, and even much of the writing staff focused on the Sutra-like Sidereal charms or the More Metal Than Thou effects found in the Green Sun Prince arsenal.

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** ''TabletopGame/KindredOfTheEast'', while not quite as bad off as Wraith or Changeling, suffered some of this as well, as it required Westerners to have a decent understanding of Asian mysticism and religions. It never came close to the popularity of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' and its many spin-offs due to this, which admittedly wasn't helped by the fact it came out in a time when actually getting the aforementioned research wasn't easy. To make the matters worse, if you do have even cursory understanding of Asian mysticism, then you start seeing major research failure from the authors.
** ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' puts a mechanically deep combat system in a world of harsh politics, where a normal soldier can win a fight and die of gangrene, and where longterm long-term change is as dependent on good bureaucracy as on the fist of immortal god-killing warriors, strongly inspired by and often tearing apart classical mythological heroes of the past. In the Second Edition, this happened to be behind a game best-known for playable characters waving surfboard-sized swords and throwing around blasts of energy like ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', a part of the setting the mechanics theoretically supported but few [=GMs=] or players could, and even much of the writing staff focused on the Sutra-like Sidereal charms or the More Metal Than Thou effects found in the Green Sun Prince arsenal.



* ''TabletopGame/WarriorsAdventureGame'', the licensed RPG adaptation of ''Literature/WarriorCats'', was an attempt by the publisher to get tabletop RPG fans interested in the book series. The book series is targeted at children ages 9-12, while tabletop RPG players are generally much older, so there already wasn't much demographic overlap. The game is too complicated for a kid who's never played a tabletop RPG before, but too simplistic for an audience that's experienced with [=RPGs=]. The pre-written adventures were included in books 19-24 of the series, which make no sense unless you've read books 1-18, so if you've just picked them up for the adventures you're not going to get into the book series from them. Essentially, nobody who reads the series is going to be interested in the game, and nobody who plays [=RPGs=] is going to pick up the game to begin with, never mind start reading the series because of it. Predictably enough, the game lasted under three years before getting canned - although you can still find the rules on the website, and current printings of books 19-24 continue to have the adventures in the back, nothing new will be published.
* ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu6Vqco4rpk BreaKey]]''is one of the most baffling concepts ever devised for a game: you buy packs like in a trading card game, but instead of cards, you get plastic key-like pieces with a sticker showing some creature. You play by putting two pieces together and twisting them until one breaks, forcing JunkRare to be the norm, since the weaker pieces are bound to get broken and discarded. Kids wouldn't want to play a game where they need to buy (or have their parents buy) a new pack each time they want to play, and collectors naturally hate the idea of a game where their collection is ''guaranteed'' to get permanently damaged if it is ever played with.

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* ''TabletopGame/WarriorsAdventureGame'', the licensed RPG adaptation of ''Literature/WarriorCats'', was an attempt by the publisher to get tabletop RPG fans interested in the book series. The book series is targeted at children ages 9-12, while tabletop RPG players are generally much older, so there already wasn't much demographic overlap. The game is too complicated for a kid who's never played a tabletop RPG before, before but too simplistic for an audience that's experienced with [=RPGs=]. The pre-written adventures were included in books 19-24 of the series, which make no sense unless you've read books 1-18, so if you've just picked them up for the adventures you're not going to get into the book series from them. Essentially, nobody who reads the series is going to be interested in the game, and nobody who plays [=RPGs=] is going to pick up the game game, to begin with, never mind start reading the series because of it. Predictably enough, the game lasted under three years before getting canned - although you can still find the rules on the website, and current printings of books 19-24 continue to have the adventures in the back, nothing new will be published.
* ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu6Vqco4rpk BreaKey]]''is BreaKey]]'' is one of the most baffling concepts ever devised for a game: you buy packs like in a trading card game, but instead of cards, you get plastic key-like pieces with a sticker showing some creature. You play by putting two pieces together and twisting them until one breaks, forcing JunkRare to be the norm, since the weaker pieces are bound to get broken and discarded. Kids wouldn't want to play a game where they need to buy (or have their parents buy) a new pack each time they want to play, and collectors naturally hate the idea of a game where their collection is ''guaranteed'' to get permanently damaged if it is ever played with.



* ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_This Imagine This]]'' was a 2008 West End musical set in the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Warsaw Ghetto in 1942]] depicting a Jewish theater troupe that learns, during their ShowWithinAShow about the siege of Masada, that the ghetto's residents are being tricked into going to certain doom in the concentration camps. At the end, most of the troupe is murdered for trying to warn the audience. Not hard to see why this would-be inspiring musical didn't last two months (counting the preview period); both the main story and the ShowWithinAShow have downer endings, and the basic conceit of a ''Holocaust-set musical'' is a questionable one.

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* ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_This Imagine This]]'' was a 2008 West End musical set in the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Warsaw Ghetto in 1942]] depicting a Jewish theater troupe that learns, during their ShowWithinAShow about the siege of Masada, that the ghetto's residents are being tricked into going to certain doom in the concentration camps. At In the end, most of the troupe is murdered for trying to warn the audience. Not hard to see why this would-be inspiring musical didn't last two months (counting the preview period); both the main story and the ShowWithinAShow have downer endings, and the basic conceit of a ''Holocaust-set musical'' is a questionable one.



* ''Theatre/TheTestamentOfMary'' was based on a novel about the Virgin Mary, set after Jesus' death. We are assured that Mary was not a virgin when UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} was born, he did not come back from the dead, and all of his followers are morons for thinking he was some kind of messiah. At one point Mary also pulls out a knife and threatens to murder some of those followers in their sleep. It was nominated for three Tony Awards, and critics expressed confusion when it ended its run early, having only played for about five months. Apparently viewers who might have been interested in a religious story didn't like the implication that their holy figure would have wanted to stab them to death.

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* ''Theatre/TheTestamentOfMary'' was based on a novel about the Virgin Mary, set after Jesus' death. We are assured that Mary was not a virgin when UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} was born, he did not come back from the dead, and all of his followers are morons for thinking he was some kind of messiah. At one point Mary also pulls out a knife and threatens to murder some of those followers in their sleep. It was nominated for three Tony Awards, and critics expressed confusion when it ended its run early, having only played for about five months. Apparently Apparently, viewers who might have been interested in a religious story didn't like the implication that their holy figure would have wanted to stab them to death.



* The notorious 1988 musical adaptation of ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' was brought down most of all by how the story simply wasn't suited to the format, a downer tale of high school bullying that ends in mass slaughter with only a single character left alive for a limp final note. This especially affected the central set-piece of Carrie destroying the prom; the pig's blood prank that sets it off was done by Billy simply pouring a bucket of raspberry jam onto her head, followed by the actors all writhing around and desperately trying to give the impression of a level of destruction that is not possible to stage in live theater. The show was also noted for doing a terrible job of establishing Carrie's telekinetic powers for anyone not familiar with the novel or film, with her only breaking a light bulb in the opening scene before the act break of her slamming every window shut and shoving her mother in the closet. Even an attempt to revamp the show in 2012 with a greatly revised script and several song changes didn't get much of anywhere, though it was at least seen as a better use of the story's potential, and got the creators willing to license it out unlike the original version.
* ''Theatre/{{Urinetown}}''. A dark musical comedy about drought, corporate corruption, bloody revolution and mandatory public urinals? It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea.

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* The notorious 1988 musical adaptation of ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' was brought down most of all by how the story simply wasn't suited to the format, a downer tale of high school bullying that ends in mass slaughter with only a single character left alive for a limp final note. This especially affected the central set-piece of Carrie destroying the prom; the pig's blood prank that sets it off was done by Billy simply pouring a bucket of raspberry jam onto her head, followed by the actors all writhing around and desperately trying to give the impression of a level of destruction that is not possible to stage in live theater. The show was also noted for doing a terrible job of establishing Carrie's telekinetic powers for anyone not familiar with the novel or film, with her only breaking a light bulb in the opening scene before the act break of her slamming every window shut and shoving her mother in the closet. Even an attempt to revamp the show in 2012 with a greatly revised script and several song changes didn't get much of anywhere, though it was at least seen as a better use of the story's potential, and got the creators willing to license it out out, unlike the original version.
* ''Theatre/{{Urinetown}}''. A dark musical comedy about drought, corporate corruption, bloody revolution revolution, and mandatory public urinals? It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea.



** The later ''Toys/{{Bionicle|2015}}'' reboot was significantly simplified, some would say too much. Apart from the original team of Toa and the basic CainAndAbel {{Light|IsGood}} vs. {{Dark|IsEvil}} concept, very little of the first generation was re-adapted into the new story-line, and what took its place was wasn't as unique and engaging. The line ultimately underwhelmed veteran fans and failed to interest new ones, and was thus canceled [[ShortRunners after two years]] [[CutShort of a proposed three year grace period.]]

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** The later ''Toys/{{Bionicle|2015}}'' reboot was significantly simplified, some would say too much. Apart from the original team of Toa and the basic CainAndAbel {{Light|IsGood}} vs. {{Dark|IsEvil}} concept, very little of the first generation was re-adapted into the new story-line, and what took its place was wasn't as unique and engaging. The line ultimately underwhelmed veteran fans and failed to interest new ones, and was thus canceled [[ShortRunners after two years]] [[CutShort of a proposed three year grace period.]]



* Back in 1965, Creator/{{Hasbro}} once made a doll called [[http://www.weirdretro.org.uk/captains-blog/creepy-kids-toy-little-miss-no-name Little Miss No Name]], in an attempt to tug at little girls' heartstrings by offering them a toy modeled after a sad homeless girl. Unfortunately, this toy proved to be unsuccessful not only because of her depressing backstory of being lonely and wanting a good home, but also because [[UncannyValley she looked rather creepy due to her large eyes and soulless frown]].

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* Back in 1965, Creator/{{Hasbro}} once made a doll called [[http://www.weirdretro.org.uk/captains-blog/creepy-kids-toy-little-miss-no-name Little Miss No Name]], in an attempt to tug at little girls' heartstrings by offering them a toy modeled after a sad homeless girl. Unfortunately, this toy proved to be unsuccessful not only because of her depressing backstory of being lonely and wanting a good home, home but also because [[UncannyValley she looked rather creepy due to her large eyes and soulless frown]].



* ''VisualNovel/HatofulBoyfriend'' is a dating game where the potential mates are ''birds'', most of which are pigeons. It's based off a pun that doesn't translate into English. The main character is a human girl. And the pigeons are represented by photographs of actual pigeons. It was created as a joke, but takes itself dead seriously in places because its creator saw an opportunity to tell an engaging story which just happens to be about birds, and the sequel ''Holiday Star'' drops the dating premise almost completely. Those who have heard of it often assume it's either an otherwise-normal dating game which is inexplicably about birds, or ''nothing but'' a joke, and both groups are more likely to make fun of its existence than play it. Despite this, it managed to somehow gain spinoff manga, drama [=CDs=], official merchandise, and a very small but equally dedicated fanbase composed mostly of people who initially only checked it out ''because'' of the strange premise.

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* ''VisualNovel/HatofulBoyfriend'' is a dating game where the potential mates are ''birds'', most of which are pigeons. It's based off a pun that doesn't translate into English. The main character is a human girl. And the pigeons are represented by photographs of actual pigeons. It was created as a joke, joke but takes itself dead seriously deadly serious in places because its creator saw an opportunity to tell an engaging story which just happens to be about birds, and the sequel ''Holiday Star'' drops the dating premise almost completely. Those who have heard of it often assume it's either an otherwise-normal dating game which is inexplicably about birds, or ''nothing but'' a joke, and both groups are more likely to make fun of its existence than play it. Despite this, it managed to somehow gain spinoff manga, drama [=CDs=], official merchandise, and a very small but equally dedicated fanbase composed mostly of people who initially only checked it out ''because'' of the strange premise.



* ''WebAnimation/AlfredsPlayhouse'': A story about a mentally disturbed pitbull with repressed memories of sexual abuse, and an [[JekyllAndHyde alternate]] [[SplitPersonalityTakeover personality]] [[TakeOverTheWorld bent on world domination]]. Filled with {{Squick}}, SurrealHorror, DerangedAnimation and NightmareFuel, it's really hard to reccomend this to anyone. The low quality animation doesn't help.
* ''London Mobile Buddies'' is a [[{{Gorn}} violent]] web cartoon about anthropomorphic cell phones. ''That's the only original thing about it.'' The show, without exaggeration, is a [[SerialNumbersFiledOff blatant]] [[ShoddyKnockoffProduct knockoff]] of ''WebAnimation/HappyTreeFriends'', right down to most of the characters being {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s and the episodes being scene-for-scene remakes of ''Happy Tree Friends'' episodes. We finish off this mess with characters from other cartoons being plagiarized, the creator having the audacity to use his characters to mock Tree Friends and other characters, and the fact that it all seems kind of pointless. All in all, it's too much off a knockoff for HTF fans to get into, let alone fans of gore in general, and since people can easily find HTF episodes online with no problem whatsoever, no one's going to confuse LMB for HTF. [[FridgeLogic Really makes you wonder why it even exists in the first place...]]

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* ''WebAnimation/AlfredsPlayhouse'': A story about a mentally disturbed pitbull with repressed memories of sexual abuse, and an [[JekyllAndHyde alternate]] [[SplitPersonalityTakeover personality]] [[TakeOverTheWorld bent on world domination]]. Filled with {{Squick}}, SurrealHorror, DerangedAnimation and NightmareFuel, it's really hard to reccomend recommend this to anyone. The low quality low-quality animation doesn't help.
* ''London Mobile Buddies'' is a [[{{Gorn}} violent]] web cartoon about anthropomorphic cell phones. ''That's the only original thing about it.'' The show, without exaggeration, is a [[SerialNumbersFiledOff blatant]] [[ShoddyKnockoffProduct knockoff]] of ''WebAnimation/HappyTreeFriends'', right down to most of the characters being {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s and the episodes being scene-for-scene remakes of ''Happy Tree Friends'' episodes. We finish off this mess with characters from other cartoons being plagiarized, the creator having the audacity to use his characters to mock Tree Friends and other characters, and the fact that it all seems kind of pointless. All in all, it's too much off of a knockoff for HTF fans to get into, let alone fans of gore in general, and since people can easily find HTF episodes online with no problem whatsoever, no one's going to confuse LMB for HTF. [[FridgeLogic Really makes you wonder why it even exists in the first place...]]



* ''[[Webcomic/{{Jack|DavidHopkins}}'', by David Hopkins, is a {{Furry Webcomic|s}} which has a fairly cartoonish art style, but is also an extremely dark story about the afterlife starring the (furry) [[TheGrimReaper Grim Reaper]] and contains a lot of graphic sex and violence. Many people are turned off by either or both cutesy, furry art style and dark, religious commentary that tries to take itself dead seriously.

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* ''[[Webcomic/{{Jack|DavidHopkins}}'', by David Hopkins, is a {{Furry Webcomic|s}} which has a fairly cartoonish art style, but is also an extremely dark story about the afterlife starring the (furry) [[TheGrimReaper Grim Reaper]] and contains a lot of graphic sex and violence. Many people are turned off by either or both cutesy, furry art style and dark, religious commentary that tries to take itself dead seriously.deadly serious.



* Creator/DisneyChannel's ''WesternAnimation/TheBuzzOnMaggie'', while generally liked by most of the people that watched it (a select few of which consider it a legit Main/CultClassic while most of the others merely consider it Main/SoOkayItsAverage), is an extremely (in fact, probably parodically) stereotypical Main/SliceOfLife tween sitcom aimed at little girls ([[MisaimedMarketing naturally a crowd known for being rather squeamish to put it]] ''[[UpToEleven lightly]]'') that [[GrossOutShow takes place in an overflowing garbage dump infested with sentient anthropomorphic flies and various other types of insects who may or or may not have gained their anthropomorphism from prolonged radioactive fluid/gas exposure]]. You can probably already guess why it [[ScrewedByTheNetwork only lasted one season]].

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* Creator/DisneyChannel's ''WesternAnimation/TheBuzzOnMaggie'', while generally liked by most of the people that watched it (a select few of which consider it a legit Main/CultClassic while most of the others merely consider it Main/SoOkayItsAverage), is an extremely (in fact, probably parodically) stereotypical Main/SliceOfLife tween sitcom aimed at little girls ([[MisaimedMarketing naturally a crowd known for being rather squeamish to put it]] ''[[UpToEleven lightly]]'') that [[GrossOutShow takes place in an overflowing garbage dump infested with sentient anthropomorphic flies and various other types of insects who may or or may not have gained their anthropomorphism from prolonged radioactive fluid/gas exposure]]. You can probably already guess why it [[ScrewedByTheNetwork only lasted one season]].



* ''Fox's WesternAnimation/PeterPanAndThePirates'' was a cartoon with some great writing and storytelling, that was surprisingly gothic and occasionally scary at times. Why didn't it do well? Well, it's about Peter Pan, and yet it takes itself dead seriously and has more mature storytelling than you'd expect given the source material. Hence, little kids who might be drawn in by Peter Pan got scared away, and older kids who'd enjoy the story took one look at who it's about and [[AnimationAgeGhetto decided it was kiddy]]. Note that the original novel was very dark in its way, as well (at the end, Tinkerbell is dead, and Peter is too childlike to remember, or care, who she was, for example). But, thanks to {{Disneyfication}}, anything that returns to the spirit of the original alienates ''everyone''.

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* ''Fox's WesternAnimation/PeterPanAndThePirates'' was a cartoon with some great writing and storytelling, that was surprisingly gothic and occasionally scary at times. Why didn't it do well? Well, it's about Peter Pan, and yet it takes itself dead seriously deadly serious and has more mature storytelling than you'd expect given the source material. Hence, little kids who might be drawn in by Peter Pan got scared away, and older kids who'd enjoy the story took one look at who it's about and [[AnimationAgeGhetto decided it was kiddy]]. Note that the original novel was very dark in its way, as well (at the end, Tinkerbell is dead, and Peter is too childlike to remember, or care, who she was, for example). But, thanks to {{Disneyfication}}, anything that returns to the spirit of the original alienates ''everyone''.



* ''WesternAnimation/AllenGregory''. The show is about a homeschooled 7-year-old played by Creator/JonahHill, who is forced to attend elementary school when his gay parents hit hard times, and thus has little idea on how to act as a kid. That could have worked very well... if not for the fact that both the title character and his father were unrepentant {{Jerkass}}es, especially to the daughter character (who was an unfunny and rather [[{{Deconstruction}} darkly]] [[AbusiveParents played]] [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Meg]] ripoff). Not helping matters was the fact that one of the parents wasn't actually gay but rather gave in to a gay relationship because the other wouldn't leave him alone despite several restraining orders -- this aspect already angered quite a few people in the gay community thanks to the UnfortunateImplications raised. It also contained a recurring subplot about Gregory attempting to date his principal, who is in her 70s, and his infatuation was portrayed far too sexually to be considered a PrecociousCrush. The show reeked of DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, was met with poor reviews, and canceled after just 7 episodes due to poor ratings.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AllenGregory''. The show is about a homeschooled 7-year-old played by Creator/JonahHill, who is forced to attend elementary school when his gay parents hit hard times, and thus has little idea on how to act as like a kid. That could have worked very well... if not for the fact that both the title character and his father were unrepentant {{Jerkass}}es, especially to the daughter character (who was an unfunny and rather [[{{Deconstruction}} darkly]] [[AbusiveParents played]] [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Meg]] ripoff). Not helping matters was the fact that one of the parents wasn't actually gay but rather gave in to a gay relationship because the other wouldn't leave him alone despite several restraining orders -- this aspect already angered quite a few people in the gay community thanks to the UnfortunateImplications raised. It also contained a recurring subplot about Gregory attempting to date his principal, who is in her 70s, and his infatuation was portrayed far too sexually sexual to be considered a PrecociousCrush. The show reeked of DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, was met with poor reviews, and canceled after just 7 episodes due to poor ratings.



* Wanting to get in on the popularity of gritty {{action|Genre}} cartoons from UsefulNotes/{{Japan}}, Creator/WarnerBros came up with ''WesternAnimation/LoonaticsUnleashed'' which re-invented ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' characters as intimidating crimefighters in a dark {{cyberpunk}}ish setting. Unfortunately people who would've been interested in the ''Looney Tunes'' were turned off by the dark-looking setting and action emphasis, and people who wanted to see [[AnimalSuperheroes anthropomorphic superhero]] action were put on their guard by the fact that the characters were based on FunnyAnimal cartoons famous for {{zany|Cartoon}} {{slapstick}}. Due to a backlash the premise was changed into a much more standardized superhero cartoon that received mixed reviews at best. Further attempts were made to fix the show in the second season by [[LighterAndSofter lightening things even further]] and reintroducing nearly all the other classic characters, but despite that and angling even more obviously for another season, the show was cancelled after that season ran its course.

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* Wanting to get in on the popularity of gritty {{action|Genre}} cartoons from UsefulNotes/{{Japan}}, Creator/WarnerBros came up with ''WesternAnimation/LoonaticsUnleashed'' which re-invented ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' characters as intimidating crimefighters in a dark {{cyberpunk}}ish setting. Unfortunately people who would've been interested in the ''Looney Tunes'' were turned off by the dark-looking setting and action emphasis, and people who wanted to see [[AnimalSuperheroes anthropomorphic superhero]] action were put on their guard by the fact that the characters were based on FunnyAnimal cartoons famous for {{zany|Cartoon}} {{slapstick}}. Due to a backlash backlash, the premise was changed into a much more standardized superhero cartoon that received mixed reviews at best. Further attempts were made to fix the show in the second season by [[LighterAndSofter lightening things even further]] and reintroducing nearly all the other classic characters, but despite that and angling even more obviously for another season, the show was cancelled after that season ran its course.



* ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' was an [[ExecutiveMeddling unneeded]] {{retool}}ing of the already-popular series, ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain'', where the duo are forced to live with [[TheScrappy the least popular character]] from ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures''. Two episodes from ''Pinky and the Brain'' were made to show that changing the show was a bad move, but the higher ups didn't get the memo. It was clear that the staff hated working on the show as they put "It's what the network wants, why bother to complain? The Earth remains their goal, some things they can't control." in the show's lyrics. The show only lasted 13 episodes.
* This is ''the'' reason ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' flopped. Fans of the usually fantasy-themed Franchise/MyLittlePony franchise found the slice-of-life elements dull and cliché, while most SliceOfLife fans couldn't get beyond the fact that the cast is all brightly-colored talking ponies. It's still a controversial topic in the MLP fandom decades later. As for the franchise in general, the central premise of brightly colored magical talking ponies is a significant barrier to mainstream acceptance.

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* ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' was an [[ExecutiveMeddling unneeded]] {{retool}}ing of the already-popular series, ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain'', where the duo are forced to live with [[TheScrappy the least popular character]] from ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures''. Two episodes from ''Pinky and the Brain'' were made to show that changing the show was a bad move, but the higher ups higher-ups didn't get the memo. It was clear that the staff hated working on the show as they put "It's what the network wants, why bother to complain? The Earth remains their goal, some things they can't control." in the show's lyrics. The show only lasted 13 episodes.
* This is ''the'' reason ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' flopped. Fans of the usually fantasy-themed Franchise/MyLittlePony franchise found the slice-of-life elements dull and cliché, cliché while most SliceOfLife fans couldn't get beyond the fact that the cast is all brightly-colored talking ponies. It's still a controversial topic in the MLP fandom decades later. As for the franchise in general, the central premise of brightly colored magical talking ponies is a significant barrier to mainstream acceptance.



* ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' can be very off-putting for fans due to the show's unusual decision to not use any villains from Batman's iconic RoguesGallery (instead using lesser-known or outright obscure villains), especially for those who find said gallery to be part of why Batman is so memorable to begin with. It did manage to get some fans and eventually brought some more classic villains, but that wasn't enough to save the show from cancellation before a second season.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' can be very off-putting for fans due to the show's unusual decision to not use any villains from Batman's iconic RoguesGallery (instead using lesser-known or outright obscure villains), especially for those who find said gallery to be part of why Batman is so memorable memorable, to begin with. It did manage to get some fans and eventually brought some more classic villains, but that wasn't enough to save the show from cancellation before a second season.



* Several critics and reviewers have pointed out this as the cause behind ''WesternAnimation/GodTheDevilAndBob'' only lasting one season. The show sounded too religious for secular people and too disrespectful of {{God}} for religious people. The fact that it tries to [[GodIsFlawed do comedy with God]] but never really dares going too far is a problem, as fans of edgy shocking comedy like ''South Park'' felt the show was too tame and fans of spiritual-based family-friendly shows thought it was too cynical. The fairly bland art style probably didn't help, either.

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* Several critics and reviewers have pointed out this as the cause behind ''WesternAnimation/GodTheDevilAndBob'' only lasting one season. The show sounded too religious for secular people and too disrespectful of {{God}} for religious people. The fact that it tries to [[GodIsFlawed do comedy with God]] but never really dares going to go too far is a problem, as fans of edgy shocking comedy like ''South Park'' felt the show was too tame and fans of spiritual-based family-friendly shows thought it was too cynical. The fairly bland art style probably didn't help, either.



* It isn't hard to see the cartoon series based on ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' as having one of these. Besides being based on something [[ContinuityLockout with a sprawling preexisting mythology]] [[note]] For instance from watching the show you'd learn a guy named Kerensky was a really important figure in their history, but not really ''why''. Besides not just knowing whose name is constantly being invoked by the characters, his legacy is tied heavily into the show's villains' backstory, weakening the narrative even further. [[/note]], it was set during the very beginning of the Clan Invasion. Meaning a setting a new viewer had no chance to learn anything about was being invaded, by an enemy even people in the show had never seen before, upsetting a status quo new viewers would know absolutely nothing about. There was also the somewhat conflicting ideas of how it tried to stay true to the source by showing that [[WarIsHell war involves horrific destruction]] and also being kind of futile, while at the same time promoting itself by [[WarIsGlorious making war look awesome]] with having the soldiers piloting [[HumongousMecha gigantic deathbots]] (there was even an action figure line), something the younger viewers probably had trouble reconciling. Despite ending on a cliffhanger the closest it's come to being followed up was [[CanonForeigner having some of the characters later appear in series novels]].

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* It isn't hard to see the cartoon series based on ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' as having one of these. Besides being based on something [[ContinuityLockout with a sprawling preexisting mythology]] [[note]] For instance from watching the show you'd learn a guy named Kerensky was a really important figure in their history, but not really ''why''. Besides not just knowing whose name is constantly being invoked by the characters, his legacy is tied heavily into the show's villains' backstory, weakening the narrative even further. [[/note]], it was set during the very beginning of the Clan Invasion. Meaning a setting a new viewer had no chance to learn anything about was being invaded, by an enemy even people in the show had never seen before, upsetting a status quo new viewers would know absolutely nothing about. There was also the somewhat conflicting ideas of how it tried to stay true to the source by showing that [[WarIsHell war involves horrific destruction]] and also being kind of futile, while at the same time promoting itself by [[WarIsGlorious making war look awesome]] with having the soldiers piloting [[HumongousMecha gigantic deathbots]] (there was even an action figure line), something the younger viewers probably had trouble reconciling. Despite ending on a cliffhanger the closest it's come to being followed up was [[CanonForeigner having some of the characters later appear in series novels]].



* ''Film/TheProducers'' has an in-universe example that [[LifeImitatesArt somehow crossed into real life]]: a shady theater producer picks the most Audience Alienating Premise possible to ensure a play fails, allowing him to [[UsefulNotes/HollywoodAccounting keep the overcharged budget]]: [[ThoseWackyNazis a musical about Hitler, written by a fugitive Nazi]]. It does work for a while, with the opening musical number appalling the theater audience... until the second act introduces a [[AdolfHitlarious hilarious beatnik Führer]] [[SpringtimeForHitler which captivates the patrons and makes them yearn for more]]. After Creator/MelBrooks finished the movie, the studio got cold feet on releasing it (it helps not only it deals with Nazis and shady businessmen, but [[GreedyJew the latter are Jews]]), and box office and critical reception was unimpressive. Still it earned Brooks' script an UsefulNotes/AcademyAward, and the movie was VindicatedByHistory to the point it resulted in a successful Broadway adaptation which was itself adapted into a film.

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* ''Film/TheProducers'' has an in-universe example that [[LifeImitatesArt somehow crossed into real life]]: a shady theater producer picks the most Audience Alienating Audience-Alienating Premise possible to ensure a play fails, allowing him to [[UsefulNotes/HollywoodAccounting keep the overcharged budget]]: [[ThoseWackyNazis a musical about Hitler, written by a fugitive Nazi]]. It does work for a while, with the opening musical number appalling the theater audience... until the second act introduces a [[AdolfHitlarious hilarious beatnik Führer]] [[SpringtimeForHitler which captivates the patrons and makes them yearn for more]]. After Creator/MelBrooks finished the movie, the studio got cold feet on releasing it (it helps not only it deals with Nazis and shady businessmen, but [[GreedyJew the latter are Jews]]), and box office and critical reception was unimpressive. Still it earned Brooks' script an UsefulNotes/AcademyAward, and the movie was VindicatedByHistory to the point it resulted in a successful Broadway adaptation which was itself adapted into a film.


* The Mexican animated film ''WesternAnimation/UnGalloConMuchosHuevos'' (''A Rooster With Many Eggs'') seems at first glance to be just an average film that'd be reasonably respectable in its home country. Its wide US release, however, is mind-boggling. Here we have a CGI film starring talking animals that resembles a kid pic but got a PG-13 rating for its US release, likely due to cultural differences in that Mexican humor is a bit more relaxed with standards than US humor. On top of that, the film is not being dubbed for its American release, it will be Spanish with English subtitles. How likely is it anyone will want to see a kiddie-looking PG-13 animated flick in Spanish? ([[SleeperHit and yet it cracked the weekend top 10,]] [[https://www.thewrap.com/mexicos-un-gallo-con-muchos-huevos-hits-bulls-eye-at-box-office/ playing in less than 400 theaters]]...)


* The Mexican animated film ''WesternAnimation/UnGalloConMuchoHuevos'' (''A Rooster With Many Eggs'') seems at first glance to be just an average film that'd be reasonably respectable in its home country. Its wide US release, however, is mind-boggling. Here we have a CGI film starring talking animals that resembles a kid pic but got a PG-13 rating for its US release, likely due to cultural differences in that Mexican humor is a bit more relaxed with standards than US humor. On top of that, the film is not being dubbed for its American release, it will be Spanish with English subtitles. How likely is it anyone will want to see a kiddie-looking PG-13 animated flick in Spanish? ([[SleeperHit and yet it cracked the weekend top 10,]] [[https://www.thewrap.com/mexicos-un-gallo-con-muchos-huevos-hits-bulls-eye-at-box-office/ playing in less than 400 theaters]]...)

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* The Mexican animated film ''WesternAnimation/UnGalloConMuchoHuevos'' ''WesternAnimation/UnGalloConMuchosHuevos'' (''A Rooster With Many Eggs'') seems at first glance to be just an average film that'd be reasonably respectable in its home country. Its wide US release, however, is mind-boggling. Here we have a CGI film starring talking animals that resembles a kid pic but got a PG-13 rating for its US release, likely due to cultural differences in that Mexican humor is a bit more relaxed with standards than US humor. On top of that, the film is not being dubbed for its American release, it will be Spanish with English subtitles. How likely is it anyone will want to see a kiddie-looking PG-13 animated flick in Spanish? ([[SleeperHit and yet it cracked the weekend top 10,]] [[https://www.thewrap.com/mexicos-un-gallo-con-muchos-huevos-hits-bulls-eye-at-box-office/ playing in less than 400 theaters]]...)



* ''[[http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Little_Muppet_Monsters Little Muppet Monsters]]''. As Scott Shaw! (who storyboarded the series) put it "The concept of this second half-hour was neither simple nor particularly well-developed." Basically, three new kid Muppet monsters live in the basement of the Muppets' home and create their own TV station which broadcasts Muppet-based cartoons, but only to the familiar Muppet characters living above them. Yeah. When a failure to produce the animated segments in time resulted in the show being replaced after three episodes by a second episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Muppet Babies|1984}}'' (the show was scheduled to follow ''Muppet Babies'' to create an hour-long slot called "Muppets, Babies and Monsters"), ratings shot up, and everyone involved said "Well, let's do that, then." ''LMM'''s [[MediumBlending blending]] of animation and Muppets would be handled much better in ''WesternAnimation/DogCity'' (adapted from a special aired on ''Series/TheJimHensonHour''), which lasted a good 31 episodes on Creator/FoxKids.

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* ''[[http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Little_Muppet_Monsters Little Muppet Monsters]]''.''WesternAnimation/TheLittleMuppetMonsters''. As Scott Shaw! (who storyboarded the series) put it "The concept of this second half-hour was neither simple nor particularly well-developed." Basically, three new kid Muppet monsters live in the basement of the Muppets' home and create their own TV station which broadcasts Muppet-based cartoons, but only to the familiar Muppet characters living above them. Yeah. When a failure to produce the animated segments in time resulted in the show being replaced after three episodes by a second episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Muppet Babies|1984}}'' (the show was scheduled to follow ''Muppet Babies'' to create an hour-long slot called "Muppets, Babies and Monsters"), ratings shot up, and everyone involved said "Well, let's do that, then." ''LMM'''s [[MediumBlending blending]] of animation and Muppets would be handled much better in ''WesternAnimation/DogCity'' (adapted from a special aired on ''Series/TheJimHensonHour''), which lasted a good 31 episodes on Creator/FoxKids.

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* The ''{{Literature/Gor}}'' novels. Not only do they present men enslaving women as a good and proper thing to do, they also go on to advocate that slaves be treated "with great harshness and cruelty" and to show those harshly treated women as finding HappinessInSlavery.


** ''Transformers Pretenders'' tried to take the "Robots in disguise" aspect even further with the inclusion of Pretender Shells that could disguise the figures as organic beings. In theory, this line could be two {{toys}} in one, but the two sides failed to synergize properly; the shells, with their garish appearance and limited articulation, seemed more at home in ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'' as opposed to the older-skewed ''Transformers'', and the robot often had to sacrifice in design to accommodate the shells.

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** ''Transformers Pretenders'' tried to take the "Robots in disguise" aspect even further with the inclusion of Pretender Shells that [[TheyLookLikeUsNow could disguise the figures as organic beings. beings.]] In theory, this line could be two {{toys}} in one, but the two sides failed to synergize properly; the shells, with their garish appearance and limited articulation, seemed more at home in ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'' as opposed to the older-skewed ''Transformers'', and the robot often had to sacrifice in design to accommodate the shells.


* [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Combining both mould and insects]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu casu marzu]], [[MasochistsMeal an Italian cheese partially digested by live insect larvae.]]

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* [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Combining both mould and insects]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu casu marzu]], [[MasochistsMeal an Italian cheese partially digested by live insect larvae.]]]] Cracked.com describes it as "so ashamed of its own existance it literally cries," due to it producing a thick liquid called "tears" by the people who make it.


[[folder:Webcomics]]''Webcomic/BardQuest'', an unfinished experiment, and ''Webcomic/{{Jailbreak}}'', the first, and as a consequence the least polished of all the creator's work. And on top of all this, in order to reach the parts anyone talks about, you have to read through a good 1500 pages of buildup, during which the characters spend a lot of time meandering and doing largely irrelevant things; even the ''fanbase'' jokes about how slow and boring the first two chapters are.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' is so notorious for its ContinuityLockout, that fans of the comic trying and inevitably failing to get their peers interested in reading it has become a meme unto itself[[note]]"LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOMESTUCK."[[/note]]. This is mostly due to the sheer size of the project (8127 pages in total when it ''finally'' finished, which vary in length from single images to WallOfText chat logs to elaborate animations to ''interactive games''); the strangeness and complexity of the plot making it impossible to explain to the uninitiated; and the video game-centric nature of it. Additionally, in order fully get all the jokes, it is almost a prerequisite that you read the three comics that came before it: ''Webcomic/ProblemSleuth'', which is a monumental read in and of itself, ''Webcomic/BardQuest'',
an unfinished experiment, and ''Webcomic/{{Jailbreak}}'', the first, and as a consequence the least polished of all the creator's work. And on top of all this, in order to reach the parts anyone talks about, you have to read through a good 1500 pages of buildup, during which the characters spend a lot of time meandering and doing largely irrelevant things; even the ''fanbase'' jokes about how slow and boring the first two chapters are.


* ''TabletopGame/WarriorsAdventureGame'', the licensed RPG adaptation of ''Literature/WarriorCats'' (listed above under Literature due to its own issues on this front), was an attempt by the publisher to get tabletop RPG fans interested in the book series. The book series is targeted at children ages 9-12, while tabletop RPG players are generally much older, so there already wasn't much demographic overlap. The game is too complicated for a kid who's never played a tabletop RPG before, but too simplistic for an audience that's experienced with [=RPGs=]. The pre-written adventures were included in books 19-24 of the series, which make no sense unless you've read books 1-18, so if you've just picked them up for the adventures you're not going to get into the book series from them. Essentially, nobody who reads the series is going to be interested in the game, and nobody who plays [=RPGs=] is going to pick up the game to begin with, never mind start reading the series because of it. Predictably enough, the game lasted under three years before getting canned - although you can still find the rules on the website, and current printings of books 19-24 continue to have the adventures in the back, nothing new will be published.

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* ''TabletopGame/WarriorsAdventureGame'', the licensed RPG adaptation of ''Literature/WarriorCats'' (listed above under Literature due to its own issues on this front), ''Literature/WarriorCats'', was an attempt by the publisher to get tabletop RPG fans interested in the book series. The book series is targeted at children ages 9-12, while tabletop RPG players are generally much older, so there already wasn't much demographic overlap. The game is too complicated for a kid who's never played a tabletop RPG before, but too simplistic for an audience that's experienced with [=RPGs=]. The pre-written adventures were included in books 19-24 of the series, which make no sense unless you've read books 1-18, so if you've just picked them up for the adventures you're not going to get into the book series from them. Essentially, nobody who reads the series is going to be interested in the game, and nobody who plays [=RPGs=] is going to pick up the game to begin with, never mind start reading the series because of it. Predictably enough, the game lasted under three years before getting canned - although you can still find the rules on the website, and current printings of books 19-24 continue to have the adventures in the back, nothing new will be published.



* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is this to many fans of the [[ComicBook/TeenTitans comic]], the previous [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated series]], and those of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''. It's a DenserAndWackier comedy like the above-mentioned ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'', has an unappealing SuperDeformed art-style, and is helmed by two ''WesternAnimation/{{Mad}}'' alumni who nonchalantly admitted that they never even saw the original show. Early reviews had a consensus of "Not the best, but enjoyable if taken as its own thing", but since then, it's gotten flak for taking beloved teenage heroes with fleshed-out personalities and turning them into {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}}s, at best, and downright sociopathic {{villain|protagonist}}s, at worst, making the "take it as its own thing" mentality harder to maintain for most. The show's frequent uses of TakeThatCritics also turns a lot of people off, who think it comes off as the creators being overly defensive at times.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is this to many fans of the [[ComicBook/TeenTitans comic]], the previous [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated series]], and those of ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice''. It's a DenserAndWackier comedy like the above-mentioned ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'', comedy, has an unappealing SuperDeformed art-style, and is helmed by two ''WesternAnimation/{{Mad}}'' alumni who nonchalantly admitted that they never even saw the original show. Early reviews had a consensus of "Not the best, but enjoyable if taken as its own thing", but since then, it's gotten flak for taking beloved teenage heroes with fleshed-out personalities and turning them into {{Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist}}s, at best, and downright sociopathic {{villain|protagonist}}s, at worst, making the "take it as its own thing" mentality harder to maintain for most. The show's frequent uses of TakeThatCritics also turns a lot of people off, who think it comes off as the creators being overly defensive at times.


** The comic as a whole hit this after the NewbieBoom ''Sonic Adventure'' and ''Sonic X'' caused. The series is one big [[TheArtifact artifact]] from when ''Sonic'' was low on canon material to go off of. Even when it tried to add game elements in the 2000s, the comic was still extremely different from game canon. Its many plot and characterization differences, along with its dozens of CanonForeigner characters, are why the series has such a mixed reception amongst fans who got into the series after the Dreamcast era. In contrast, its TruerToTheText [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW]] SpiritualSuccessor was better received amongst its detractors.



* ''Fanfic/NobodyDies'' is an enormously popular ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' fic praised for its LighterAndSofter approach that manages to blend wacky and often fourth-wall breaking humor with all the same deep emotional exploration the series is known for. Trouble is, getting new readers on board is now pretty tricky thanks to a tagline based on its CrazyAwesome version of Rei which has aged like nitroglycerin: "You're gonna get reiped."



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Foodfight}}'' is basically an extended homage to ''Film/{{Casablanca}}'' starring advertising mascots and featuring loads of ToiletHumour and sex jokes... and it's aimed at ''children''. Many critics note that the film seems to have no idea whom it's trying to appeal to. And that's not even going into the horrendous animation that practically makes the film look [[UncannyValley eye-gouging]].



* The holy trinity of "cute animal movies that turn out to be horribly non-kid friendly":
** ''WesternAnimation/{{Felidae}}'' is a film noir with blood, murder, sex, and a cult. Starring '''cats''' (''real'' ones, not {{Funny Animal}}s). Its look made many people think it was a Disney-type movie, but the actual content is not kid-friendly, thus it scared away adult audiences while not attracting kid audiences. The film has since gained a cult status online, however.
** ''WesternAnimation/WatershipDown'' is a movie about rabbits! Kid-friendly, right?! Well, the film has quite a few scenes faithful to the original novel, such as rabbits being gassed in their burrows during a human land-settlement, a dog violently attacking and killing rabbits, rabbits getting killed by natural predators, and rabbits getting, albeit non-lethally, shot. The film didn't attract adults due to being about rabbits, thus dismissed as "kiddy", while kids were scared away by the climactic battle between Hazel's warren and the Efrafan rabbits. The film ''[[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids is]]'' for kids, but its reputation means that few watch it.
** Sister film ''WesternAnimation/ThePlagueDogs'' deals with the touchy topic of animal testing and has the same bleak, dark tone and art style but with cartoon talking dogs.



* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yf3_1bTmEw Cesante is a Chilean animated film]] for adults, covering 12 hours in the life of Carlos Meléndez, an unemployed man who seeks work and respect, surviving multiple adventures and humiliations. The film premiered in 2003, at a time when Chile was going through a serious economic crisis and therefore there were many unemployed people in the real world, which for many was an unpleasant case of "''TooSoon''", in addition to the consciously ugly and even grotesque aesthetic alienated the public that was not used to animated films that were not for the whole family.

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* [[https://www.''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yf3_1bTmEw Cesante Cesante]]'' is a Chilean animated film]] film for adults, covering 12 hours in the life of Carlos Meléndez, an unemployed man who seeks work and respect, surviving multiple adventures and humiliations. The film premiered in 2003, at a time when Chile was going through a serious economic crisis and therefore there were many unemployed people in the real world, which for many was an unpleasant case of "''TooSoon''", in addition to the consciously ugly and even grotesque aesthetic alienated the public that was not used to animated films that were not for the whole family.



* ''Literature/{{Lolita}}'' is a prime example of this, to the extent that it's mostly known in the general public as "that novel about pædophila". Fortunately, its status as a modern classic prevents it from becoming too neglected, but most people unaware of why it's considered so great are likely to pass it up due to the premise. Though just as many readers came to it for [[DancingBear prurient interest based on its unfounded reputation.]] It's likely for this reason that the film adaptations play up Lolita as a FilleFatale BrattyTeenageDaughter, while playing down Humbert's role as a self-centred abusive sexual predator.
* Creator/StephenKing withheld ''Literature/PetSematary'' from publication for several years because he felt the subject matter made the book unpublishable.



* Creator/ErinHunter:
** ''Literature/WarriorCats'' is about cute, fluffy cats that are involved in bloody battles, have a complex religious and social structure, have a tendency to die horribly, and have illegitimate offspring all over the place. Younger kids see cats, and then see continuity and leave. Older kids are put off by the CuteKitten thing and may be embarrassed to start the series in the first place. The books do have an audience, and it'll be interesting to see how TheFilmOfTheBook is marketed.
** ''Literature/SeekerBears'' is a series about bear cubs surviving and travelling together. It has its fans and sells well, but its heavy environmental message is what turns off many.
** ''Literature/SurvivorDogs'' is much of the same as ''Warrior Cats'', but with dogs. It alienates Erin Hunter fans by technically not being written by an Erin Hunter. "Erin Hunter" is a composite for writers, with ''Survivor Dogs'' using completely separate writers from the previous ''Warrior Cats'' and ''Seeker Bears''. As a result, ''Survivor Dogs'' is written ''very'' differently than its two sister-series. It takes more inspiration from ''Literature/WatershipDown'' than anything. The series' heavy mythology and CallARabbitASmeerp alienates many first-time readers who are used to the more simplified lore of the previous Erin Hunter works.



* ''Literature/WatershipDown'' is a serious children's fantasy adventure about rabbits. It features a lot of FamilyUnfriendlyViolence, ConLang, and AnimalReligion. Most kids and their parents are turned off by either the violence or the rabbits, while xenofiction fans are turned off by it being about ''rabbits'' instead of something "cooler" or predatory like deer or cats. ''Watership Down'', however, is saved from obscurity by being a classic with three different {{animated adaptation}}s.



* "And We Run" by Music/WithinTemptation is a song that combines gothic/symphonic metal with rap. The two genres don't mix much (if at all) so many people were turned off; however, people that have heard the song typically have a positive reaction.



* ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'' is this on two levels: It's an {{eroge}} featuring various disabled characters, and it's by a group of folks on ''Website/FourChan'' of all places. Despite this (or [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity because of it]]), it has become a GatewaySeries for the VisualNovel genre.



* ''VisualNovel/DokiDokiLiteratureClub'' has ''almost exactly the same problem'' as ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. Aside from a vague {{Content Warning|s}} being one of the few clues that things aren't what they seem, the game is an ordinary, lighthearted visual novel with a cute cast of colorful, quirky girls. People not into such games will probably stop playing in disgust early on before later events [[SurpriseCreepy really ratchet up the horror]], while people who ''are'' may not have any sort of interest in the horror story it eventually turns out to be. Similar to ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', [[spoiler:Sayori's suicide]] instantly became the game's signature meme in spite of later, darker turns.



* While not quote as alienating as its Spiritual Predecessor ''Katawa Shoujo'', the in-development ''VisualNovel/MissingStars'' has a fair sum of this. It's about an eighteen year old who had an accident that left him traumatized and with psychosomatic issues with one of his legs. His parents send him to a BoardingSchool that specializes in mental health problems. Some people are either unnerved by the idea of a dating sim themed around mental illness or they don't think the visual novel can pull it off well.



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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' is so notorious for its ContinuityLockout, that fans of the comic trying and inevitably failing to get their peers interested in reading it has become a meme unto itself[[note]]"LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOMESTUCK."[[/note]]. This is mostly due to the sheer size of the project (8127 pages in total when it ''finally'' finished, which vary in length from single images to WallOfText chat logs to elaborate animations to ''interactive games''); the strangeness and complexity of the plot making it impossible to explain to the uninitiated; and the video game-centric nature of it. Additionally, in order fully get all the jokes, it is almost a prerequisite that you read the three comics that came before it: ''Webcomic/ProblemSleuth'', which is a monumental read in and of itself, ''Webcomic/BardQuest'', an unfinished experiment, and ''Webcomic/{{Jailbreak}}'', the first, and as a consequence the least polished of all the creator's work. And on top of all this, in order to reach the parts anyone talks about, you have to read through a good 1500 pages of buildup, during which the characters spend a lot of time meandering and doing largely irrelevant things; even the ''fanbase'' jokes about how slow and boring the first two chapters are.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' is so notorious for its ContinuityLockout, that fans of the comic trying and inevitably failing to get their peers interested in reading it has become a meme unto itself[[note]]"LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOMESTUCK."[[/note]]. This is mostly due to the sheer size of the project (8127 pages in total when it ''finally'' finished, which vary in length from single images to WallOfText chat logs to elaborate animations to ''interactive games''); the strangeness and complexity of the plot making it impossible to explain to the uninitiated; and the video game-centric nature of it. Additionally, in order fully get all the jokes, it is almost a prerequisite that you read the three comics that came before it: ''Webcomic/ProblemSleuth'', which is a monumental read in and of itself, ''Webcomic/BardQuest'',
[[folder:Webcomics]]''Webcomic/BardQuest'', an unfinished experiment, and ''Webcomic/{{Jailbreak}}'', the first, and as a consequence the least polished of all the creator's work. And on top of all this, in order to reach the parts anyone talks about, you have to read through a good 1500 pages of buildup, during which the characters spend a lot of time meandering and doing largely irrelevant things; even the ''fanbase'' jokes about how slow and boring the first two chapters are.



* ''WebVideo/DrHorriblesSingAlongBlog'' is a terrific movie that turns classic villain and hero tropes on their ear. It won a lot of awards, and it would have won one more if there was an award for "Worst Name for a Movie Ever". Many potential fans refused to see the film purely because of the title; it's not exactly unreasonable to expect something called a "Sing-Along {{Blog}}" to be awful.



* ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' follows the efforts of an inattentive nitpicker in listing everything he found "wrong" in movies both famous and infamous. Some people find this series funnier than others.


* ''FanFic/ToHellAndBackArrowverse'' presents an InUniverse inverted example with Cisco. Cisco chose to watch the ''Twilight'' movie over reading the book because he heard the book was worse. Caitlin, who actually did read the book, agrees wholeheartedly with that opinion.



* ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2:'' In universe, Stinky Pete, a toy from ''Woody's Roundup'', is not very appealing to most children because he's a gassy elderly man {{Prospector}} doll from a old defunct toy line. He spent years on a shelf watching other toys be sold and never got played with, which made him bitter, and [[spoiler: led him to become the villain.]] In the end, however [[spoiler: he gets taken by a little girl that paints on her toys in what appears to be a FateWorseThanDeath, but according to WordOfGod he comes to love the little girl, so it's actually a [[EarnYourHappyEnding happy]] ending for him.]]



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* In ''FanFic/ToHellAndBackArrowverse'', Cisco chose to watch the ''Twilight'' movie over reading the book because he heard the book was worse. Caitlin, who actually did read the book, agrees wholeheartedly with that opinion.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2:'' Stinky Pete, a toy from ''Woody's Roundup'', is not very appealing to most children because he's a gassy elderly man {{Prospector}} doll from a old defunct toy line. He spent years on a shelf watching other toys be sold and never got played with, which made him bitter, and [[spoiler: led him to become the villain.]] In the end, however [[spoiler: he gets taken by a little girl that paints on her toys in what appears to be a FateWorseThanDeath, but according to WordOfGod he comes to love the little girl, so it's actually a [[EarnYourHappyEnding happy]] ending for him.]]

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* UsefulNotes/SuperBowl LIII in 2019 between the New England Patriots and the Los Angeles Rams had the lowest ratings of any Super Bowl in a decade, putting off fans for a few reasons:
## Both the NFC and AFC Championship games were affected by questionable play-calling from NFL officials [[note]]in the NFC Championship, a case of pass-interference by the Los Angeles Rams, which should have given the New Orleans Saints an automatic first down, got missed, forcing the Saints to settle for a field goal and go into overtime, which the Rams ended up winning. In the AFC Championship, the Kansas City Chiefs were hit with a highly specious pass interference penalty halfway through the fourth quarter when Chris Jones lightly brushed Tom Brady on the shoulder; the resulting penalty helped the New England Patriots drive for a touchdown to take a 24-21 lead, and also ultimately winning in overtime[[/note]], leaving many, especially Saints fans, feeling that neither team particularly deserved to be there.
## [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks This was the third straight Super Bowl appearance by the Patriots, and the fourth in 5 years, so non-Patriots fans weren't particularly thrilled to see them there again]].
## Finally, Music/Maroon5, Music/{{Scott}}, and Music/BigBoi's decisions to play at halftime at all were highly criticized, as many bands and musicians had previously turned down performing out of protest for the NFL's treatment of former San Francisco [=49ers=] quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

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