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* ComicBook/BatmanRebirth reveals that Batman and Superman actually consider the other the better hero and man. In Issue 36#, Bruce and Clark are talking to Selina and Lois respectably on how they feel in regards to the other hero as they go to meet up. Bruce mentions how while he was "fated" or "needed" to become a hero because of his tragedy, Superman does heroics because it's the right thing to do despire being an outsider.Superman meanwhile thinks that it was his powers and healthy upbringing that meant he could become a hero easier while Bruce had to face tragedy and chose to make that tragedy into something meaningful.
** It also humorously deconstructs the idea sice it's this respect that keeps Bruce and Clark from talking a lot and when they meet up, it's Selina and Lois who break the ice. The two had been pushing for them to talk since Bruce has not yet done the obvious, [[spoiler: asking Clark to be his best man.]]


This commonly overlaps with SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. May also involve PretenderDiss, ToBeLawfulOrGood or VillainsDoTheDirtyWork. HeroDoesPublicService may provide a strong argument for being a "true" hero, as would a MoreHeroThanThou moment. Compare YoureNothingWithoutYourPhkebotinum.

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This commonly overlaps with SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. May also involve PretenderDiss, ToBeLawfulOrGood or VillainsDoTheDirtyWork. HeroDoesPublicService may provide a strong argument for being a "true" hero, as would a MoreHeroThanThou moment. Compare YoureNothingWithoutYourPhkebotinum.
YoureNothingWithoutYourPhlebotinum.


This commonly overlaps with SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. May also involve PretenderDiss, ToBeLawfulOrGood or VillainsDoTheDirtyWork. HeroDoesPublicService may provide a strong argument for being a "true" hero, as would a MoreHeroThanThou moment.

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This commonly overlaps with SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. May also involve PretenderDiss, ToBeLawfulOrGood or VillainsDoTheDirtyWork. HeroDoesPublicService may provide a strong argument for being a "true" hero, as would a MoreHeroThanThou moment.
moment. Compare YoureNothingWithoutYourPhkebotinum.


->'''Rogers:''' The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you!
->'''Stark:''' I think I'd just cut the wire.
->'''Rogers:''' Always a way out. You know, you may not be a threat, but you'd better stop pretending to be a hero.
->'''Stark:''' A hero? Like you? You're a lab experiment, Rogers. Everything special about you came out of a ''bottle.''

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->'''Rogers:''' ->'''Steve Rogers:''' The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you!
->'''Stark:''' ->'''Tony Stark:''' I think I'd just cut the wire.
->'''Rogers:''' ->'''Steve Rogers:''' Always a way out. You know, you may not be a threat, but you'd better stop pretending to be a hero.
->'''Stark:''' ->'''Tony Stark:''' A hero? Like you? You're a lab experiment, Rogers. Everything special about you came out of a ''bottle.''


This commonly overlaps with SlidingScaleofIdealismVsCynicism. May also involve PretenderDiss, ToBeLawfulOrGood or VillainsDoTheDirtyWork. HeroDoesPublicService may provide a strong argument for being a "true" hero, as would a MoreHeroThanThou moment.

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This commonly overlaps with SlidingScaleofIdealismVsCynicism.SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. May also involve PretenderDiss, ToBeLawfulOrGood or VillainsDoTheDirtyWork. HeroDoesPublicService may provide a strong argument for being a "true" hero, as would a MoreHeroThanThou moment.


* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' deals with this as a bit of a CentralTheme. On one hand we have the Hero Association who respond to the various threats no one else can, but a lot of the heroes (especially in S-Class Rank) are more in it for fame and ego stroking than altruism. More often than not, they can be just as problematic as the villains and monsters they face, sometimes showing no mercy to the few that have given up or aren't as dangerous as they seem[[labelnote:spoiler]]uch as Garou who certainly beat up a lot of heroes, but never killed any of them[[/labelnote]], and are more than willing to ShootTheHostage if it gets the job done. On the other, there are a few such as Genos and Muman Rider who genuinely want to protect people even if their power is outclassed. The main protagonist, Saitama, straddles the line between the two. He has [[ComicallyInvincibleHero invincible power]] but finds it boring and only really got into heroism just to find a good fight. However, when he does see innocents in danger, he won't hesitate to fight to defend people. Nor will he allow less powerful heroes who put their lives on the line be slandered by an ungrateful public, even willing to put on an act as a "Glory Hound" and be hated if it allows others the recognition they deserve.

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* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' deals with this as a bit of a CentralTheme. On one hand we have the Hero Association who respond to the various threats no one else can, but a lot of the heroes (especially in S-Class Rank) are more in it for fame and ego stroking than altruism. More often than not, they can be just as problematic as the villains and monsters they face, sometimes showing no mercy to the few that have given up or aren't as dangerous as they seem[[labelnote:spoiler]]uch seem[[labelnote:spoiler]]Such as Garou who certainly beat up a lot of heroes, but never killed any of them[[/labelnote]], and are more than willing to ShootTheHostage if it gets the job done. On the other, there are a few such as Genos and Muman Rider who genuinely want to protect people even if their power is outclassed. The main protagonist, Saitama, straddles the line between the two. He has [[ComicallyInvincibleHero invincible power]] but finds it boring and only really got into heroism just to find a good fight. However, when he does see innocents in danger, he won't hesitate to fight to defend people. Nor will he allow less powerful heroes who put their lives on the line be slandered by an ungrateful public, even willing to put on an act as a "Glory Hound" and be hated if it allows others the recognition they deserve.


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* HumbleHero vs GlorySeeker

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* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'': In the first season finale, Darkseid begins his invasion of Earth and starts by defeating Superman and parading him through the streets of Metropolis believing that this will cow humanity into submission. Instead, [[BadassNormal Dan Turpin]] tells [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu Darkseid to stuff it]] and rallies the [[BadassBystander ordinary citizens]] into fighting back against Apokolips's forces. Turpin also frees Superman from his captivity, giving the superhero a HeroicSecondWind to hold off Darkseid long enough for [[BigDamnHeroes the forces of New Genesis to arrive]] and declare Earth under their protection. Darkseid retreats back to Apokolips, but before leaving, kills Dan Turpin out of spite. At Turpin's funeral, both Superman and Turpin's tombstone acknowledge him as the true hero Earth needed all along.


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* ''LightNovel/ICouldntBecomeAHeroSoIReluctantlyDecidedToGetAJob'': This trope is the plot's Central Theme, taking place in the years after a war against a Demon Lord came to an end when an unknown party defeated him, leaving thousands of Heroes out of a job, including the protagonist Raul. Raul gets a job at a department store and tries to eek out a modest but unfulfilling life. However, several of Raul's fellow former Heroes [[NoPlaceForAWarrior can't cope with a world that has no need for Heroes]] and try to reignite the war so that they can be Heroes again. They try to sway Raul to their side, but he refuses, saying that their goals are not what true Heroes should fight for.

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* ''LightNovel/ICouldntBecomeAHeroSoIReluctantlyDecidedToGetAJob'': This trope is the plot's Central Theme, CentralTheme, taking place in the years after a war against a following the defeat of the Demon Lord came to an end when by an unknown party defeated him, leaving (leaving thousands of Heroes out of a job, job -- including the protagonist Raul. Raul). Raul gets a job at a department store and tries to eek eke out a modest but unfulfilling life. However, several of Raul's fellow former Heroes [[NoPlaceForAWarrior can't cope with a world that has no need for Heroes]] and try to reignite the war so that they can be Heroes again. They try to sway Raul to their side, but he refuses, saying that their goals are not what true Heroes should fight for.


* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' deals with this as a bit of a CentralTheme. On one hand we have the Hero Association who respond to the various threats no one else can, but a lot of the heroes (especially in S-Class Rank) are more in it for fame and ego stroking then really anything autistic. More often than not, they can be just as problematic as the villains and monsters they face, sometimes showing no mercy to the few that have given up or aren't as dangerous as they seem[[labelnote:spoiler]]uch as Garou who certainly beat up a lot of heroes, but never killed any of them[[/labelnote]], and are more than willing to ShootTheHostage if it gets the job done. On the other, there are a few such as Genos and Muman Rider who genuinely want to protect people even if their power isn't as overwhelming as those that outclass them and putting the needs of the people first before their own well being. The main protagonist, Saitama, straddles the line between the two. He has [[ComicallyInvincibleHero invincible power]] but finds it boring and only really got into heroism just to find a good fight, and is disillusioned that this now eludes him. However, when he does see innocents in danger, he won't hesitate to fight to defend people. Nor will he allow less powerful heroes who put their lives on the line be slandered by an ungrateful public, even willing to put on an act as a "Glory Hound" and be hated if it allows others the recognition they deserve.

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* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' deals with this as a bit of a CentralTheme. On one hand we have the Hero Association who respond to the various threats no one else can, but a lot of the heroes (especially in S-Class Rank) are more in it for fame and ego stroking then really anything autistic.than altruism. More often than not, they can be just as problematic as the villains and monsters they face, sometimes showing no mercy to the few that have given up or aren't as dangerous as they seem[[labelnote:spoiler]]uch as Garou who certainly beat up a lot of heroes, but never killed any of them[[/labelnote]], and are more than willing to ShootTheHostage if it gets the job done. On the other, there are a few such as Genos and Muman Rider who genuinely want to protect people even if their power isn't as overwhelming as those that outclass them and putting the needs of the people first before their own well being.is outclassed. The main protagonist, Saitama, straddles the line between the two. He has [[ComicallyInvincibleHero invincible power]] but finds it boring and only really got into heroism just to find a good fight, and is disillusioned that this now eludes him.fight. However, when he does see innocents in danger, he won't hesitate to fight to defend people. Nor will he allow less powerful heroes who put their lives on the line be slandered by an ungrateful public, even willing to put on an act as a "Glory Hound" and be hated if it allows others the recognition they deserve.


* ''LightNovel/ICouldntBecomeAHeroSoIReluctantlyDecidedToGetAJob'': This trope is the plot's Central Theme, taking place in the years after a war against a Demon Lord came to an end, leaving thousands of Heroes out of a job, including the protagonist Raul. Raul gets a job at a department store and tries to eek out a modest but unfulfilling life. However, several of Raul's fellow former Heroes [[NoPlaceForAWarrior can't cope with a world that has no need for Heroes]] and try to reignite the war so that they can be Heroes again. They try to sway Raul to their side, but he refuses, saying that their goals are what true Heroes should fight for.

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* ''LightNovel/ICouldntBecomeAHeroSoIReluctantlyDecidedToGetAJob'': This trope is the plot's Central Theme, taking place in the years after a war against a Demon Lord came to an end, end when an unknown party defeated him, leaving thousands of Heroes out of a job, including the protagonist Raul. Raul gets a job at a department store and tries to eek out a modest but unfulfilling life. However, several of Raul's fellow former Heroes [[NoPlaceForAWarrior can't cope with a world that has no need for Heroes]] and try to reignite the war so that they can be Heroes again. They try to sway Raul to their side, but he refuses, saying that their goals are not what true Heroes should fight for.


* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' deals with this as a bit of a CentralTheme. On one hand we have the Hero Association who respond to the various threats no one else can, but a lot of the heroes (especially in S-Class Rank) are more in it for fame and ego stroking then really anything autistic. More often than not, they can be just as problematic as the villains and monsters they face, sometimes showing no mercy to the few that have given up or aren't as dangerous as they seem[[labelnote:spoiler]]uch as Garou who certainly beat up a lot of heroes, but never killed any of them[[/labelnote]], and are more than willing to ShootTheHostage if it gets the job done. On the other, there are a few such as Genos and Muman Rider who genuinely want to protect people even if their power isn't as overwhelming as those that outclass them and putting the needs of the people first before their own well being. The main protagonist, Saitama, straddles the line between the two. He has [[ComedicInvincibleHero invincible power]] but finds it boring and only really got into heroism just to find a good fight, and is disillusioned that this now eludes him. However, when he does see innocents in danger, he won't hesitate to fight to defend people. Nor will he allow less powerful heroes who put their lives on the line be slandered by an ungrateful public, even willing to put on an act as a "Glory Hound" and be hated if it allows others the recognition they deserve.

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* ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' deals with this as a bit of a CentralTheme. On one hand we have the Hero Association who respond to the various threats no one else can, but a lot of the heroes (especially in S-Class Rank) are more in it for fame and ego stroking then really anything autistic. More often than not, they can be just as problematic as the villains and monsters they face, sometimes showing no mercy to the few that have given up or aren't as dangerous as they seem[[labelnote:spoiler]]uch as Garou who certainly beat up a lot of heroes, but never killed any of them[[/labelnote]], and are more than willing to ShootTheHostage if it gets the job done. On the other, there are a few such as Genos and Muman Rider who genuinely want to protect people even if their power isn't as overwhelming as those that outclass them and putting the needs of the people first before their own well being. The main protagonist, Saitama, straddles the line between the two. He has [[ComedicInvincibleHero [[ComicallyInvincibleHero invincible power]] but finds it boring and only really got into heroism just to find a good fight, and is disillusioned that this now eludes him. However, when he does see innocents in danger, he won't hesitate to fight to defend people. Nor will he allow less powerful heroes who put their lives on the line be slandered by an ungrateful public, even willing to put on an act as a "Glory Hound" and be hated if it allows others the recognition they deserve.

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