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* SnarkKnight: Will #2 is either a {{Deconstruction}} or simply the trope taken UpToEleven.
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* RealityEnsues: [[spoiler:Maura sets up the 'Isaac' persona, catfishing Will #2 because she wants to date him. Will #2 winds up developing feelings for Isaac, but when Maura reveals that she was Isaac, he is ''furious'' at her.]]
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* RealityEnsues: OperationJealousy: [[spoiler:Maura sets up the 'Isaac' persona, catfishing Will #2 because she wants to date him. Will #2 winds up developing feelings for Isaac, but when Maura reveals that she was Isaac, he is ''furious'' at her.]]
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** While Will #2 actually is gay, he expects Maura would take his interest in Isaac to mean that he could never be interested in her because she's a girl. [[spoiler:Possibly the only [[AvertedTrope Aversion]] in the novel, as Maura is clearly still interested in Will #2 and argues that since she ''is'' Isaac, she's really the person he liked. Still, bisexuality is never name-checked even in this case, which if anything has more of an uncomfortable CureYourGays vibe (or, to be more generous to Maura, an attempt to force a case of IfItsYouItsOK between her and Will #2).]]
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** While Will #2 actually is gay, he expects Maura would take his interest in Isaac to mean that he could never be interested in her because she's a girl. [[spoiler:Possibly the only [[AvertedTrope Aversion]] in the novel, as Maura is clearly still interested in Will #2 and argues that since she ''is'' Isaac, she's really the person he liked. Still, bisexuality is never name-checked overtly considered even in this case, which if anything has more of an uncomfortable CureYourGays vibe (or, to be more generous to Maura, an attempt to force a case of IfItsYouItsOK between her and Will #2).]]
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** While Will #2 actually is gay, he expects Maura to take his interest in Isaac to mean that he could never be interested in her because she's a girl. [[spoiler:Possibly the only [[AvertedTrope Aversion]] in the novel, as Maura is clearly still interested in Will #2 and argues that since she ''is'' Isaac, she's really the person he liked. Still, bisexuality is never name-checked even in this case, which if anything has more of an uncomfortable CureYourGays vibe (or, to be more generous to Maura, an attempt to force a case of IfItsYouItsOK between her and Will #2).]]
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** While Will #2 actually is gay, he expects Maura to would take his interest in Isaac to mean that he could never be interested in her because she's a girl. [[spoiler:Possibly the only [[AvertedTrope Aversion]] in the novel, as Maura is clearly still interested in Will #2 and argues that since she ''is'' Isaac, she's really the person he liked. Still, bisexuality is never name-checked even in this case, which if anything has more of an uncomfortable CureYourGays vibe (or, to be more generous to Maura, an attempt to force a case of IfItsYouItsOK between her and Will #2).]]
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* NoBisexuals: Played oddly [[JustForPun straight]] for a book with heavy LGBTQ+ themes:
** "Possibly Gay Jane", a member of her school's Gay-Straight Alliance, is AmbiguouslyGay for the first portion of the novel, until she's forced to admit that she doesn't understand the gay experience because she thinks she's "probably straight". The seemingly clear possibility that she might be bi is never brought up at all.
** While Will #2 actually is gay, he expects Maura to take his interest in Isaac to mean that he could never be interested in her because she's a girl. [[spoiler:Possibly the only [[AvertedTrope Aversion]] in the novel, as Maura is clearly still interested in Will #2 and argues that since she ''is'' Isaac, she's really the person he liked. Still, bisexuality is never name-checked even in this case, which if anything has more of an uncomfortable CureYourGays vibe (or, to be more generous to Maura, an attempt to force a case of IfItsYouItsOK between her and Will #2).]]
** "Possibly Gay Jane", a member of her school's Gay-Straight Alliance, is AmbiguouslyGay for the first portion of the novel, until she's forced to admit that she doesn't understand the gay experience because she thinks she's "probably straight". The seemingly clear possibility that she might be bi is never brought up at all.
** While Will #2 actually is gay, he expects Maura to take his interest in Isaac to mean that he could never be interested in her because she's a girl. [[spoiler:Possibly the only [[AvertedTrope Aversion]] in the novel, as Maura is clearly still interested in Will #2 and argues that since she ''is'' Isaac, she's really the person he liked. Still, bisexuality is never name-checked even in this case, which if anything has more of an uncomfortable CureYourGays vibe (or, to be more generous to Maura, an attempt to force a case of IfItsYouItsOK between her and Will #2).]]
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* OneSteveLimit: Aversion of this trope is the entire premise. Will #1 points out that he's googled himself enough times to know just that there are plenty of Will Graysons the world. [[spoiler: Turns into a BrickJoke when Will #2 brings some of them to Tiny's musical.]]
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* OneSteveLimit: Aversion of this trope is the entire premise. Will #1 points out that he's googled himself enough times to know just that there are plenty of Will Graysons in the world. [[spoiler: Turns into a BrickJoke when Will #2 brings some of them to Tiny's musical.]]
* RealityEnsues: [[spoiler:Maura sets up the 'Isaac' persona, catfishing Will #2 because she wants to date him. Will #2 winds up developing feelings for Isaac, but when Maura reveals that she was Isaac, he is ''furious'' at her.]]
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* ItsAllAboutMe: Tiny Cooper. He's incredibly smart, but he's not really able to understand why people get so upset when he reduces every situation to what he is personally dealing with, and ignoring how the consequences impact other people. He IS a very rich teenager, so possibly he will grow out of it.
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* SafetyInIndifference: Will # 1's life philosophy amounts to this.
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* AndADietCoke: At one point, Tiny orders - much to the waiter's bemusement - four hot dogs with buns, three hot dogs without buns, a bowl of chili, and a Diet Coke. Justified as he's trying to build more muscle, so he needs plenty of protein, but has no use for sugar.
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* TransparentCloset: Tiny apparently expected Will # 1 to be shocked at Tiny's coming out to him. Instead, Will's reaction was apparently more like, [[CampGay "uhm, was that supposed to be a secret?"]]
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* DeconReconSwitch: Of Tiny's efforts to be a ManicPixieDreamGuy to both the Wills. [[spoiler: He ultimately has to realise that he can't fix Will #2's life for him, but Will # 1 also ends up admitting that he should show some more appreciation for Tiny's efforts to cheer him up and make him live a little. Having a BlitheSpirit in your life isn't a cure-all, but sometimes it really does help.]]
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->''“It's hard to believe in coincidence, but it's even harder to believe in anything else.” ''
-->--'''Will #1'''
'''Will Grayson, Will Grayson''' is a young adult novel written by Creator/JohnGreen and Creator/DavidLevithan.
The chapters alternate narrators between two people named Will Grayson. The first Will Grayson (narration by Creator/JohnGreen) is introverted, straight, and tries to avoid unhappiness and disappointment by abiding by two rules: "don't care too much, and shut up" -- in contrast to his lifelong best friend Tiny Cooper, who is extroverted, and both "really really gay" and "really really large". The second Will Grayson (narration by Creator/DavidLevithan) is a loner, cynical and clinically depressed, who is in love with his AIM buddy Isaac and puts up with his sort-of friend Maura.
The two Will Graysons meet up about a third of the way through the novel, when the second Will Grayson goes to meet Isaac in person for the first time. What follows is a heartwarming ComingOfAgeStory about friendship, drama, coming out of the closet, and the gayest musical to ever grace the high school stage.
!!Tropes involved in this work include:
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* {{Acrofatic}}: Tiny, as seen in the scene where he jumps off a swing set and sticks a perfect landing, to the astonishment of everyone.
* AllGaysLoveTheater: Played straight with Tiny, whose self-written self-starring self-directed semi-autobiographical musical serves as the ConcertClimax of the book, and probably Gary, who plays Will #1's {{Expy}} within the play. Averted with Will #2.
* [[AllLowercaseLetters all lowercase letters]]: will #2's chapters are written like this. in the afterword, levithan explains he felt it just fit the character.
* BetterAsFriends: [[spoiler:Tiny and Will #2.]]
** [[spoiler:also Maura and Will #2]]
* BerserkButton: For Tiny, it's the song, ''Over The Rainbow''.
--> “You may choose your song, but know this: Tiny. Cooper. Hates. Over. The. Rainbow.”
* BreadEggsMilkSquick
--> "anyway, i really need this job, which means i can't do things like yell or pin my stupid name tag upside down or wear jeans that have rips in them or sacrifice puppies in the toy aisle." [sic]
* BigBeautifulMan: Tiny according to Will #2.
** [[spoiler:More than just Will #2 in the climax]]
* CampGay: Tiny Cooper to a T; it's even revealed near the end that he discovered his homosexuality at musical theater camp.
* CastFullOfGay: By design: Will #2, Tiny, Gary, Gideon, and a ton of other minor characters.
* ComingOutStory: Mildly seen with Will Grayson #2.
* ConcertClimax: Tiny's musical.
* DeadpanSnarker: Will #2. Jane, to a lesser extent.
* DisappearedDad: Will #2 has one of these.
* EmoTeen: Will #2, slightly.
* {{Expy}}: In-universe, the cast of Tiny's musical are paper-thin expies of people he knows in real life, such as Gil (later Phil) Wrayson.
* FatBestFriend: Tiny Cooper.
* FirstPersonSmartass: Both of the narrators, but mostly Will #2.
* FollowTheLeader: The redesigned cover art of the edition seen in the picture image. Any resemblance to that of ''TheFaultInOurStars'' is probably intentional.
* {{Foreshadowing}}: Will #1 and Tiny go to what they were told was a Neutral Milk Hotel concert, only to find that it was just a publicity stunt. [[spoiler: Later, Will #2 goes to meet what he thinks will be Isaac, but it turns out to be Maura.]] [[FridgeBrilliance The similarities in the two events are uncanny.]]
* {{GIRL}}: [[spoiler: Inverted with Isaac, who is actually Maura.]]
* GoodParents: Will #1's parents and Will #2's mother.
* HeterosexualLifePartners: Well, Tiny's actually gay, but he and Will #1 are this trope.
* {{Hipster}}: Jane, when it comes to music.
* HugeGuyTinyGirl: Technically it's Huge Guy Tiny Guy, for many of Tiny Cooper's relationships.
* InLoveWithLove: Tiny, according to Will #1.
* IncompatibleOrientation: [[spoiler: Unfortunately for Maura, who set up the entire Isaac persona to get closer to Will #2.]]
* IronicNickname: Tiny Cooper, the world's gayest person who is really, really large.
* InsultToRocks: Will #2's reason for why he wouldn't call [[spoiler:Maura]] an asshole.
* LoveBeforeFirstSight: Will and Isaac.
* ManicPixieDreamGirl: Tiny Cooper is a Manic Pixie Dream Guy for Will #2
* OneOfTheBoys: Possibly Gay Jane.
* OneSteveLimit: Aversion of this trope is the entire premise. Will #1 points out that he's googled himself enough times to know just that there are plenty of Will Graysons the world. [[spoiler: Turns into a BrickJoke when Will #2 brings some of them to Tiny's musical.]]
* RunningGag: The term "bitchsquealer", and Will #1 not knowing what it means.
* SerialRomeo: Tiny. In fact Will #1 tells him basically that he is in love with being in love.
* ShowWithinAShow: ''Tiny Dancer'' (later rewritten and renamed ''Hold Me Closer''), Tiny's semi-autobiographical musical (which he also wrote, choreographed, starred in and directed himself).
* SnarkKnight: Will#2 is either a {{Deconstruction}} or simply the trope taken UpToEleven.
* StraightGay: Will Grayson #2. Also, Gary.
* SupportingLeader: According to WordOfGod, Tiny Cooper can be thought of as the real protagonist of the book, and the Wills are just sidekicks, but John Green is the sort of author who won't really confirm anything for his readers.
* TwoPersonLoveTriangle: [[spoiler: Isaac, Will #2's internet crush, is actually Maura.]]
* ThoseTwoGuys: Derek and Simon.
* UnspokenPlanGuarantee: The plan Will#2 comes up with at the end of the book.
* WhenSheSmiles
-->Will Grayson #1: [Jane's] whole face changes when she smiles--this eyebrow-lifting, perfect-teeth-showing, eye-crinkling smile I've either never seen or never noticed.
* WideEyedIdealist: Tiny, in contrast to both Wills who are more pessimistic.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Will #1 and Jane; the metaphor for their relationship being Schrödinger's cat - they (the physicists) don't know if the cat (their relationship) is alive or dead. [[spoiler:By the end, it's perfectly alive.]]
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->''“It's hard to believe in coincidence, but it's even harder to believe in anything else.” ''
-->--'''Will #1'''
'''Will Grayson, Will Grayson''' is a young adult novel written by Creator/JohnGreen and Creator/DavidLevithan.
The chapters alternate narrators between two people named Will Grayson. The first Will Grayson (narration by Creator/JohnGreen) is introverted, straight, and tries to avoid unhappiness and disappointment by abiding by two rules: "don't care too much, and shut up" -- in contrast to his lifelong best friend Tiny Cooper, who is extroverted, and both "really really gay" and "really really large". The second Will Grayson (narration by Creator/DavidLevithan) is a loner, cynical and clinically depressed, who is in love with his AIM buddy Isaac and puts up with his sort-of friend Maura.
The two Will Graysons meet up about a third of the way through the novel, when the second Will Grayson goes to meet Isaac in person for the first time. What follows is a heartwarming ComingOfAgeStory about friendship, drama, coming out of the closet, and the gayest musical to ever grace the high school stage.
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* {{Acrofatic}}: Tiny, as seen in the scene where he jumps off a swing set and sticks a perfect landing, to the astonishment of everyone.
* AllGaysLoveTheater: Played straight with Tiny, whose self-written self-starring self-directed semi-autobiographical musical serves as the ConcertClimax of the book, and probably Gary, who plays Will #1's {{Expy}} within the play. Averted with Will #2.
* [[AllLowercaseLetters all lowercase letters]]: will #2's chapters are written like this. in the afterword, levithan explains he felt it just fit the character.
* BetterAsFriends: [[spoiler:Tiny and Will #2.]]
** [[spoiler:also Maura and Will #2]]
* BerserkButton: For Tiny, it's the song, ''Over The Rainbow''.
--> “You may choose your song, but know this: Tiny. Cooper. Hates. Over. The. Rainbow.”
* BreadEggsMilkSquick
--> "anyway, i really need this job, which means i can't do things like yell or pin my stupid name tag upside down or wear jeans that have rips in them or sacrifice puppies in the toy aisle." [sic]
* BigBeautifulMan: Tiny according to Will #2.
** [[spoiler:More than just Will #2 in the climax]]
* CampGay: Tiny Cooper to a T; it's even revealed near the end that he discovered his homosexuality at musical theater camp.
* CastFullOfGay: By design: Will #2, Tiny, Gary, Gideon, and a ton of other minor characters.
* ComingOutStory: Mildly seen with Will Grayson #2.
* ConcertClimax: Tiny's musical.
* DeadpanSnarker: Will #2. Jane, to a lesser extent.
* DisappearedDad: Will #2 has one of these.
* EmoTeen: Will #2, slightly.
* {{Expy}}: In-universe, the cast of Tiny's musical are paper-thin expies of people he knows in real life, such as Gil (later Phil) Wrayson.
* FatBestFriend: Tiny Cooper.
* FirstPersonSmartass: Both of the narrators, but mostly Will #2.
* FollowTheLeader: The redesigned cover art of the edition seen in the picture image. Any resemblance to that of ''TheFaultInOurStars'' is probably intentional.
* {{Foreshadowing}}: Will #1 and Tiny go to what they were told was a Neutral Milk Hotel concert, only to find that it was just a publicity stunt. [[spoiler: Later, Will #2 goes to meet what he thinks will be Isaac, but it turns out to be Maura.]] [[FridgeBrilliance The similarities in the two events are uncanny.]]
* {{GIRL}}: [[spoiler: Inverted with Isaac, who is actually Maura.]]
* GoodParents: Will #1's parents and Will #2's mother.
* HeterosexualLifePartners: Well, Tiny's actually gay, but he and Will #1 are this trope.
* {{Hipster}}: Jane, when it comes to music.
* HugeGuyTinyGirl: Technically it's Huge Guy Tiny Guy, for many of Tiny Cooper's relationships.
* InLoveWithLove: Tiny, according to Will #1.
* IncompatibleOrientation: [[spoiler: Unfortunately for Maura, who set up the entire Isaac persona to get closer to Will #2.]]
* IronicNickname: Tiny Cooper, the world's gayest person who is really, really large.
* InsultToRocks: Will #2's reason for why he wouldn't call [[spoiler:Maura]] an asshole.
* LoveBeforeFirstSight: Will and Isaac.
* ManicPixieDreamGirl: Tiny Cooper is a Manic Pixie Dream Guy for Will #2
* OneOfTheBoys: Possibly Gay Jane.
* OneSteveLimit: Aversion of this trope is the entire premise. Will #1 points out that he's googled himself enough times to know just that there are plenty of Will Graysons the world. [[spoiler: Turns into a BrickJoke when Will #2 brings some of them to Tiny's musical.]]
* RunningGag: The term "bitchsquealer", and Will #1 not knowing what it means.
* SerialRomeo: Tiny. In fact Will #1 tells him basically that he is in love with being in love.
* ShowWithinAShow: ''Tiny Dancer'' (later rewritten and renamed ''Hold Me Closer''), Tiny's semi-autobiographical musical (which he also wrote, choreographed, starred in and directed himself).
* SnarkKnight: Will#2 is either a {{Deconstruction}} or simply the trope taken UpToEleven.
* StraightGay: Will Grayson #2. Also, Gary.
* SupportingLeader: According to WordOfGod, Tiny Cooper can be thought of as the real protagonist of the book, and the Wills are just sidekicks, but John Green is the sort of author who won't really confirm anything for his readers.
* TwoPersonLoveTriangle: [[spoiler: Isaac, Will #2's internet crush, is actually Maura.]]
* ThoseTwoGuys: Derek and Simon.
* UnspokenPlanGuarantee: The plan Will#2 comes up with at the end of the book.
* WhenSheSmiles
-->Will Grayson #1: [Jane's] whole face changes when she smiles--this eyebrow-lifting, perfect-teeth-showing, eye-crinkling smile I've either never seen or never noticed.
* WideEyedIdealist: Tiny, in contrast to both Wills who are more pessimistic.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Will #1 and Jane; the metaphor for their relationship being Schrödinger's cat - they (the physicists) don't know if the cat (their relationship) is alive or dead. [[spoiler:By the end, it's perfectly alive.]]
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