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* EarlyBirdCameo: Reines El-Melloi Archisorte of ''Literature/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles'' makes her debut in this series, appearing in one scene with Waver at the Clock Tower. As explained in [[AllThereInTheManual an interview from the ''Case Files'' blu-ray,]] when she was added here it had already been decided that she'd be a major character in the then-upcoming ''Case Files''.
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* OurClonesAreDifferent: [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Mordred]] is a [[OurHomunculiAreDifferent homunculus clone]] of Myth/KingArthur [[GenderFlip herself]], created from her extracted sperm (ItsALongStory) and grown in Morgan La Fey's ovaries. Mordred's resemblance to the king is rather fleeting though they are both blonde females ([[BerserkButton only biological, in Mordred's case]]) that [[MumLooksLikeASister look roughly the same age]].
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* ObviousBeta: Looking over the various half-finished and hilariously broken Servants listed, it's clear that this was a project that was abandoned halfway through development. The Light Novel has taken some steps to remove this by replacing or altering characters or skills.
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** It's not the first time we hear Carla Castañeda (Assassin of Red) voicing magic users before. She dubs Twilight Sparkle from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Kirche Von Zerbst from ''LightNovel/TheFamiliarOfZero'', and Merlin from ''Manga/TheSevenDeadlySins''.

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** It's not the first time we hear Carla Castañeda (Assassin of Red) voicing magic users before. She dubs Twilight Sparkle from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Kirche Von Zerbst from ''LightNovel/TheFamiliarOfZero'', ''Literature/TheFamiliarOfZero'', and Merlin from ''Manga/TheSevenDeadlySins''.



** Unrelated to the Red faction, the light novel also had the occasional MeanwhileScene back in London where Lord El-Melloi II and others at the Clock Tower would discuss what they heard was going on in the war. One of these scenes in particular is notable for being the debut of Reines El-Melloi Archisorte, who is only a minor character here but would go on to be one of the main protagonists of ''LightNovel/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles''. All of these Clock Tower scenes were cut from the anime, but fortunately the manga kept them.

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** Unrelated to the Red faction, the light novel also had the occasional MeanwhileScene back in London where Lord El-Melloi II and others at the Clock Tower would discuss what they heard was going on in the war. One of these scenes in particular is notable for being the debut of Reines El-Melloi Archisorte, who is only a minor character here but would go on to be one of the main protagonists of ''LightNovel/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles''.''Literature/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles''. All of these Clock Tower scenes were cut from the anime, but fortunately the manga kept them.
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* DubInducedPlotHole: After Astolfo's GenderReveal to Sieg, Astolfo expresses surprise that Sieg assumed he was female, as the Japanese version [[GenderNeutralWriting avoided direct references to Astolfo's gender]] before that point. The English dub keeps gendered mentions of Astolfo to a minimum, but Sieg still calls him by female pronouns at least once when Astolfo could hear, and Astolfo's reaction is unchanged.

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* DubInducedPlotHole: After Astolfo's GenderReveal to Sieg, Astolfo expresses surprise that Sieg assumed he was female, as the Japanese version [[GenderNeutralWriting avoided direct references to Astolfo's gender]] gender before that point. The English dub keeps gendered mentions of Astolfo to a minimum, but Sieg still calls him by female pronouns at least once when Astolfo could hear, and Astolfo's reaction is unchanged.
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A novel called ''Fate/Apocrypha: Side of Survivor'' was released in the second Blu-ray edition which details what happened to the survivors of the Grail War. A sequel called ''LightNovel/FateLostEinherjar'' details a new Grail War ten years in the future where each Master summons two Servants.

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A novel called ''Fate/Apocrypha: Side of Survivor'' was released in the second Blu-ray edition which details what happened to the survivors of the Grail War. A sequel called ''LightNovel/FateLostEinherjar'' ''Literature/FateLostEinherjar'' details a new Grail War ten years in the future where each Master summons two Servants.



* AlternateTimeline: To ''LightNovel/FateZero'' and ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''.

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* AlternateTimeline: To ''LightNovel/FateZero'' ''Literature/FateZero'' and ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''.



** In addition, there have been numerous Holy Grail Wars fought all over the world since the theft of the original grail, which is presumably how Waver managed to achieve the title of Lord El-Melloi II as he did in ''LightNovel/FateZero''. The main difference is that the Romania Leyline is better than most, allowing the summoning of fourteen Servants rather than ''fewer than'' seven (a number of these supplementary Grail Wars apparently don't even boast a normal complement of seven) and is capable of reaching the Root.
** And the original summon catalysts for the usual ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' and ''LightNovel/FateZero'' Servants have been lost since, once the information of the war spread, they were stolen and passed around until no one knew where they were. The Servants of ''Apocrypha'' can seem a little "second-string" because that's the ''point'' - they're easier to summon with broad catalysts (like Mordred) or are a bit obscure and all their relics haven't been plundered yet. [[spoiler: However, it is implied that El-Melloi II managed to keep the very same catalyst he used to summon Iskandar in the Holy Grail War he participated in.]]

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** In addition, there have been numerous Holy Grail Wars fought all over the world since the theft of the original grail, which is presumably how Waver managed to achieve the title of Lord El-Melloi II as he did in ''LightNovel/FateZero''.''Literature/FateZero''. The main difference is that the Romania Leyline is better than most, allowing the summoning of fourteen Servants rather than ''fewer than'' seven (a number of these supplementary Grail Wars apparently don't even boast a normal complement of seven) and is capable of reaching the Root.
** And the original summon catalysts for the usual ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' and ''LightNovel/FateZero'' ''Literature/FateZero'' Servants have been lost since, once the information of the war spread, they were stolen and passed around until no one knew where they were. The Servants of ''Apocrypha'' can seem a little "second-string" because that's the ''point'' - they're easier to summon with broad catalysts (like Mordred) or are a bit obscure and all their relics haven't been plundered yet. [[spoiler: However, it is implied that El-Melloi II managed to keep the very same catalyst he used to summon Iskandar in the Holy Grail War he participated in.]]



** Waver Velvet of ''LightNovel/FateZero'' brief appearances [[BookEnds at the beginning and the end]] as Lord El-Melloi II.

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** Waver Velvet of ''LightNovel/FateZero'' ''Literature/FateZero'' brief appearances [[BookEnds at the beginning and the end]] as Lord El-Melloi II.



** The brand of cigarettes that Kairi smokes, "Dragon Smoke", are also smoked by [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Touko Aozaki]] and [[LightNovel/FateZero Natalia Kaminski.]]

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** The brand of cigarettes that Kairi smokes, "Dragon Smoke", are also smoked by [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners [[Literature/TheGardenOfSinners Touko Aozaki]] and [[LightNovel/FateZero [[Literature/FateZero Natalia Kaminski.]]



* YouShallNotPass: Near the end of the story [[spoiler: [[LightNovel/FateZero Gilles de Rais]], who had been summoned by Shakespeare's Noble Phantasm in order to MindRape Jeanne, uses Jeanne's Noble Phantasm Luminosité Eternelle[[labelnote: translation]]eternal luminosity[[/labelnote]] to defend her and Sieg from Shirou.]]

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* YouShallNotPass: Near the end of the story [[spoiler: [[LightNovel/FateZero [[Literature/FateZero Gilles de Rais]], who had been summoned by Shakespeare's Noble Phantasm in order to MindRape Jeanne, uses Jeanne's Noble Phantasm Luminosité Eternelle[[labelnote: translation]]eternal luminosity[[/labelnote]] to defend her and Sieg from Shirou.]]
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* HollywoodBoardGames: On two occasions in the ''Franchise/FateSeries'' a modified TabletopGame/{{chess}} board can be seen -- 7x7 grid, Masters as the pawns, Servants as the other pieces, and a Holy Grail in the middle. Each time, its presence signifies different things. Although, in both cases, the Masters are the pawns not only because they are more plainly designed than the Servants but also because the power plays between the Servants have as much of an impact on the Wars' outcomes as the interactions between the Masters. That it's Lord El-Melloi II, aka Waver, the one explaining the modified rules of the Great Holy Grail War to one of his students through the aforementioned board means two things primarily. One, he survived a previous war and not only emerged unscathed but also learned to be more patient and confident in his own strategies. Two, that he's a much more approachable Professor than Lord El-Melloi I was. About the student himself, he's very much a {{Keet}} and seems to learn better when he can see and interact with stuff. On a related note, this particular board has two sides (black and red), thus matching the special circumstances of this war.

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* ChessMotifs: In the anime adaptation, there are heavy chess {{motifs}} assigned to the Servants. The first TitleSequence starts with the camera panning over the seven classes of Servants, each modeled after black chess pieces. Soon enough, the board itself appears, containing not only the aforementioned pieces but also pawns that are supposed to represent the Masters in front of them. In the center, there's a miniature of the Holy Grail and, on the other side, there's another set of fourteen pieces, this time red-colored. The same board can be seen midway through the first episode when Lord El-Melloi II is explaining the rules of the Holy Grail War to one of his students. This is all to highlight how, in this war, the surplus of Masters and Servants demands a more strategic approach (there are two sides now, instead of the Literature/BattleRoyale these wars usually are), something that is heavily associated with chess.



* HollywoodBoardGames: In the anime adaptation, there are heavy chess {{motifs}} assigned to the Servants. The first TitleSequence starts with the camera panning over the seven classes of Servants, each modeled after black chess pieces. Soon enough, the board itself appears, containing not only the aforementioned pieces but also pawns that are supposed to represent the Masters in front of them. In the center, there's a miniature of the Holy Grail and, on the other side, there's another set of fourteen pieces, this time red-colored. The same board can be seen midway through the first episode when Lord El-Melloi II is explaining the rules of the Holy Grail War to one of his students. This is all to highlight how, in this war, the surplus of Masters and Servants demands a more strategic approach (there are two sides now, instead of the Literature/BattleRoyale this wars usually are), something that is heavily associated with chess. It's also a little nod to the fact El-Melloi II survived a previous Holy Grail War, learning to be more patient and confident in his own strategies.
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* HollywoodBoardGames: In the anime adaptation, there are heavy chess {{motifs}} assigned to the Servants. The first TitleSequence starts with the camera panning over the seven classes of Servants, each modeled after black chess pieces. Soon enough, the board itself appears, containing not only the aforementioned pieces but also pawns that are supposed to represent the Masters in front of them. In the center, there's a miniature of the Holy Grail and, on the other side, there's another set of fourteen pieces, this time red-colored. The same board can be seen midway through the first episode when Lord El-Melloi II is explaining the rules of the Holy Grail War to one of his students. This is all to highlight how, in this war, the surplus of Masters and Servants demands a more strategic approach (there are two sides now, instead of the Literature/BattleRoyale this wars usually are), something that is heavily associated with chess. It's also a little nod to the fact El-Melloi II survived a previous Holy Grail War, learning to be more patient and confident in his own strategies.

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