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The idea of TechnologyLevels has some actual reference in the real world in the form of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale Kardashev Scale]], which indicates how much power a civilization uses. This was originally used in the context of astronomy, speculating about what advanced alien civilizations might look like from afar, particularly the implications of enormous energy demands. It has since been used to compare the PowerLevels of fictional civilizations and, sometimes, individuals.

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The idea of TechnologyLevels has some actual reference in the real world in the form of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale Kardashev Scale]], Scale,]] which indicates how much power a civilization uses. This was originally used in the context of astronomy, speculating about what advanced alien civilizations might look like from afar, particularly the implications of enormous energy demands. It has since been used to compare the PowerLevels of fictional civilizations and, sometimes, individuals.



A serious RealLife [[http://arxiv.org/abs/1408.1134 study]] has been done to look for Type [=III=]s in the local Universe using the WISE infrared telescope, as they're expected to produce large amounts of infrared emissions. [[http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/1504.03418 Its results]] show that those civilizations are ''very'' rare or non-existent in our cosmic neighborhood[[note]]The anomalous objects include besides ninety poorly studied objects, that may actually be galaxies making stars galore, five spiral galaxies with very low star formation but unusually high IR luminosities instead of the low luminosity on the infrared a galaxy of that type would have[[/note]]. There is another study [[http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.01509]], suggesting that finding Yotta-eV (10[[superscript:24]] electron Volt) neutrinos could be proof of at least a type 3 civilization, as that would require using a quasar (a VERY energetic galaxy) as a particle accelerator. For comparison, nuclear bomb reactions release a measly 10[[superscript:6]] eV per reaction.

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A serious RealLife [[http://arxiv.org/abs/1408.1134 study]] has been done to look for Type [=III=]s in the local Universe using the WISE infrared telescope, as they're expected to produce large amounts of infrared emissions. [[http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/1504.03418 Its results]] show that those civilizations are ''very'' rare or non-existent in our cosmic neighborhood[[note]]The neighborhood.[[note]]The anomalous objects include besides ninety poorly studied objects, that may actually be galaxies making stars galore, five spiral galaxies with very low star formation but unusually high IR luminosities instead of the low luminosity on the infrared a galaxy of that type would have[[/note]]. have.[[/note]] There is another study [[http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.01509]], 01509 another study,]] suggesting that finding Yotta-eV (10[[superscript:24]] electron Volt) neutrinos could be proof of at least a type 3 civilization, as that would require using a quasar (a VERY energetic galaxy) as a particle accelerator. For comparison, nuclear bomb reactions release a measly 10[[superscript:6]] eV per reaction.

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* ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' has [[spoiler:the Jardaan]], who created a vast and ludicrously powerful terraforming network controlled from a moon-sized mobile dyson sphere, [[spoiler:and at least one fully sentient race, with the implication they've created more.]] SAM even name-drops the Kardashev Scale when talking about them, noting they're at least at level 1. [[spoiler:Presumably, the enemies who drove them off with a NegativeSpaceWedgie are in there as well, given they managed to cook up a NSW as a ''weapon''.]]


* The author-stated badly written ''character habitat Or Something Like That'' has at least six layers of existence (he got to stuff like Omniverse and We Gave Up So Let's Just Call It Points) and the three most powerful attacks are throwing literally EVERYTHING else at them, ''breaking the story'', but forcing the target to take some form of major backlash from it and ''imposing reality (or at least a semblance of logic) on the setting''. The people who use those are leaders, but it is stated that the rough estimate is that newborn babies have the ability to break the story at least a hundred times on birth and it only gets stronger from there. And ''that's'' the ''civilians.'' Military or police forces use unquantifiable amounts of energy breaking the flimsy-in-the-first-place rules of reality, omniverses (in jewels) are somewhat expensive and require much care but multiverses and universes are cheaper and easily cared for, plot devices are medium-class weapons, hybridizing of technology and magic is the equivalent of tools, and throwing existence at someone is the effective-ish method of killing supervillains, although it's not perfect.


* Each portion of Creator/IsaacAsimov's science fiction short story "The Last Question" takes place in a human civilization at a different point on the scale--each time the Last Question is asked, man is so much more advanced yet still powerless to answer it. It finishes by outlining a possible Type ''V'' scenario: ''reversing'' entropy even after the apparent heat death of the universe.
* Creator/IsaacAsimov's stories, in chronological order, begin with mankind as a type 0 or a borderline type I. Then they establish Spacer colonies, invent faster-than-light travel and eventually colonize almost an entire galaxy, having reached a Solid II level.

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Each portion of Creator/IsaacAsimov's science fiction short story "The Last Question" "Literature/TheLastQuestion" takes place in a human civilization at a different point on the scale--each time the Last Question is asked, man is so much more advanced yet still powerless to answer it. It finishes by outlining a possible Type ''V'' scenario: ''reversing'' entropy even after the apparent heat death of the universe.
* Creator/IsaacAsimov's stories, in chronological order, The ''{{Literature/Foundation}}'' and ''Literature/RobotSeries'', after being [[CanonWelding merged together]], begin with mankind as a type 0 or a borderline type I. Then civilization using robots to make use of the planet's resources more efficiently. Later, they establish Spacer colonies, invent faster-than-light travel and eventually colonize almost an entire galaxy, having reached a Solid II level.


** The above is little more than fan speculation and theory. The official data book has stated that the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 10 million light years tall, thus making it one hundered times the size of the Milky Way, and an offial interview with the writers has stated that it could exist in regular space due to creating the Super Spiral Space that sustains it on its own. Furthermore, the Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 52.8 billion light years tall, and its Giga Drill is 180 times larger, putting it into Multiversal scale. This would mean that the Anti-Spiral pocket universe would have to be bigger than our own to contain it, making the destruction of this same universe all the more impressive and solidly placing both Anti-Spirals and humans well into Type IV, if not beyond.

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** The above is little more than fan speculation and theory. The official data book has stated that the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 10 million light years tall, thus making it one hundered times the size of the Milky Way, and an offial official interview with the writers has stated that it could exist in regular space due to creating the Super Spiral Space that sustains it on its own. Furthermore, the Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is 52.8 billion light years tall, and its Giga Drill is 180 times larger, putting it into Multiversal scale. This would mean that the Anti-Spiral pocket universe would have to be bigger than our own to contain it, making the destruction of this same universe all the more impressive and solidly placing both Anti-Spirals and humans well into Type IV, if not beyond.

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** The Old Ones are equally difficult to pin down. As the {{Precursors}} to several species (notably the Orks and Eldar), they once inhabited large portions of the galaxy and had advanced technology allowing them, among other things, to create the webway to instantly travel pretty much anywhere. However, they are noted as being rather placid and patient, with their overall numbers maybe not being all that great and focussing on peaceful exploration rather than colonising a large empire like the Imperium. In addition, their achievements were in large part due to their [[AWizardDidIt psychic powers]] rather than technology, with their enemies the Necrons actually being more advanced in many ways despite being much younger. Despite having been godlike precursors in many ways, they may never have reached the same level of power usage as the Imperium or even their primary successors the Eldar.


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* Similarly, ''VideoGame/AshesOfTheSingularity'' supposedly involves a post-singularity humanity able to harness power on at least a type II scale in the process of turning entire planets into computers. It fights using small numbers of not particularly advanced tanks on battlefields no more than a couple of kilometres across.


* Speaking of E. E. Smith, by the end of the ''Literature/{{Skylark}}'' series, the protagonist Seaton is using entire galaxies as weapons.

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* Speaking of E. E. Smith, by the end of the ''Literature/{{Skylark}}'' series, Literature/SkylarkSeries, the protagonist Seaton is using entire galaxies as weapons.


** The somewhat hazy physics make judging tech levels somewhat difficult, but the Anti-Spirals are easily a Type IV, if not above that: they can manipulate probability to ensure their weapons always hit, they can dodge attacks by casual time travel, and they can create a galaxy-sized HumongousMecha that can use the Big Bang as a WaveMotionGun. And it's suggested that that's nowhere near the limit of their abilities: in ''[[TheMovie Lagann-hen]]'', they one-up their galaxy-sized mecha with a [[SerialEscalation universe-sized one]]. The heroes of the story use [[FunctionalMagic Spiral energy]] to achieve similar abilities (it's likely that the titular Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the good counterpart to the aforementioned galaxy-sized mecha, is a Type IV on its own), but their civilization is never shown above Type II.
** Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann by pretty much a moon sized mecha and the will power of ten people. Tengen Toppa stands on galaxies, is powered by mostly one man's spirit, and moves at the speed of billions of light years. When Lordgenome dies, he turns the energy of a big bang into a drill, which is then consumed by Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (or Tengen Toppa Lagann). In Lagann-Hen's case, then proceed to make an even bigger "mecha" made entirely of energy, and then that energy being makes an energy drill the size of the universe.

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** The somewhat hazy physics make judging tech levels somewhat difficult, but the Anti-Spirals are easily a Type IV, if not above that: they can manipulate probability to ensure their weapons always hit, they can dodge attacks by casual time travel, and they can create a galaxy-sized HumongousMecha that can use the Big Bang as a WaveMotionGun. And it's suggested that that's nowhere near the limit of their abilities: in ''[[TheMovie Lagann-hen]]'', they one-up their galaxy-sized mecha with a [[SerialEscalation universe-sized one]]. The heroes of the story use [[FunctionalMagic Spiral energy]] to achieve similar abilities (it's likely that the titular Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the good counterpart to the aforementioned galaxy-sized mecha, is a Type IV on its own), but their civilization is never shown above Type I, enhanced with some LostTechnology that itself is no higher than Type II.
** Tengen Toppa Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann is powered by pretty much nothing more than a moon sized moon-sized mecha and the will power willpower of ten people. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann stands on galaxies, is powered by mostly one man's spirit, and moves at the speed of billions of light years.years per second. When Lordgenome dies, he turns the energy of a big bang into a drill, which is then consumed by Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (or Tengen Toppa Lagann). In Lagann-Hen's case, then proceed to make an even bigger "mecha" made entirely of energy, and then that energy being makes an energy drill the size of the universe.


* In ''AMiracleOfScience'', most of the people live on incompletely utilized planets. However, Mars is completely harnessed and the Martians are doing some interesting things with all that power, though Mars gets quite a bit less sunlight than Earth. All told, probably about Type I.

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* In ''AMiracleOfScience'', ''WebComic/AMiracleOfScience'', most of the people live on incompletely utilized planets. However, Mars is completely harnessed and the Martians are doing some interesting things with all that power, though Mars gets quite a bit less sunlight than Earth. All told, probably about Type I.


* In ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', the F'sherl-Ganni Gatekeepers were a Class II Civilization, utilizing Dyson Spheres (or 'Buuthandi' as they call them) widely. One of them was blown up in the early stages of the Teraport Wars, with (relatively) low loss of life and the Gatekeepers were apparently building a replacement by the time of their attempt at converting the Milky Way's core into a zero-point energy reactor. They're currently subservient to the local superpower -- the Fleetmind, a gigantic gestalt of [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]] [=AIs=] of all the major races led by the ex-[[ScaryDogmaticAliens Ob'Enn]] warship AI 'Petey', who took control of their reactor. The Fleetmind appear to be using its output to move the entire galaxy around, and the scraps left over to keep every other civilization in the galaxy in check.

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* In ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', the F'sherl-Ganni Gatekeepers were a Class II Civilization, utilizing Dyson Spheres (or 'Buuthandi' as they call them) widely. One of them was blown up in the early stages of the Teraport Wars, with (relatively) low loss of life and the Gatekeepers were apparently building a replacement by the time of their attempt at converting the Milky Way's core into a zero-point energy reactor. They're currently subservient to the local superpower -- the Fleetmind, a gigantic gestalt of [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]] unfettered [=AIs=] of all the major races led by the ex-[[ScaryDogmaticAliens Ob'Enn]] warship AI 'Petey', who took control of their reactor. The Fleetmind appear to be using its output to move the entire galaxy around, and the scraps left over to keep every other civilization in the galaxy in check.


* The Beyonder from ''ComicBook/SecretWars'' is probably unmeasurable. In his first appearance, he effortlessly ''destroyed a galaxy'' [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale to provide an empty corner of the universe]] for the various metabeings to battle each other. That was more or less retconned away later, only to be unretconned in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', where the Beyonders [[spoiler: destroy the Marvel Universe and almost every parallel version of it as well (i.e. Ultimate Marvel and Marvel Zombies universes as well.)]]

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* The Beyonder from ''ComicBook/SecretWars'' ''ComicBook/SecretWars1984'' is probably unmeasurable. In his first appearance, he effortlessly ''destroyed a galaxy'' [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale to provide an empty corner of the universe]] for the various metabeings to battle each other. That was more or less retconned away later, only to be unretconned in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', where the Beyonders [[spoiler: destroy the Marvel Universe and almost every parallel version of it as well (i.e. Ultimate Marvel and Marvel Zombies universes as well.)]]


* The 4-D beings from ''StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime'' could be considered an example, if a very strange one. Sure, our entire universe is just an MMORPG that they created, but by our standards, the energy output needed to manage our universe as well as all their own affairs would be absolutely incredible.

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* The 4-D beings from ''StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime'' ''VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime'' could be considered an example, if a very strange one. Sure, our entire universe is just an MMORPG that they created, but by our standards, the energy output needed to manage our universe as well as all their own affairs would be absolutely incredible.


* The [[MnogoNukes Tsar Bomba]], the most powerful device ever built by humanity, achieved about 5.3 x 10[[superscript:24]]W, near the top of this category.

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* The [[MnogoNukes [[UsefulNotes/FromRussiaWithNukes Tsar Bomba]], the most powerful device ever built by humanity, achieved about 5.3 x 10[[superscript:24]]W, near the top of this category.

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