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* In the ''Minutemen'' edition of ''Before Watchmen'' (as well as seeing the romantic/sexual relationship between Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis, ''and'' Silhouette's relationship with her long-term girlfriend, Gretchen), Hollis Mason (the original Nite Owl) and Byron Lewis (Mothman) are depicted as working together closely. ''Very'' closely. They even bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and Hollis frets constantly over Byron's fragile mental health. Hell, Hollis straight-up tells Byron 'you know I love you' at one point.

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* In the ''Minutemen'' edition of ''Before Watchmen'' (as well as seeing the romantic/sexual relationship between Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis, ''and'' Silhouette's relationship with her long-term girlfriend, Gretchen), Hollis Mason (the original Nite Owl) and Byron Lewis (Mothman) are depicted as working together closely. ''Very'' closely. They even bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and Hollis frets constantly over Byron's fragile mental health. Hell, Hollis straight-up tells Byron 'you know I love you' at one point.point.
** Lest we forget, it's Byron who buys Hollis the building that he turns into an auto shop; considering the fact that [[spoiler:Byron is shipped off to the sanitarium soon afterwards, and seems to know he can't keep a hold on his already ''extremely'' shaky mental state for very long, it ''reeks'' of IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy - if Hollis can't be with Byron, then Byron may as well do something to make him happy after he's gone.]]
* In ''Before Watchmen: Ozymandias'', we see Adrian as a young man lying in bed with another young man. He refers to him, rather euphemistically, as 'an...''acquaintance'' of mine'.


* In the ''Minutemen'' edition of ''Before Watchmen'' (as well as seeing the romantic/sexual relationship between Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis, ''and'' Silhouette's relationship with her long-term girlfriend, Gretchen), Hollis Mason (the original Nite Owl) and Byron Lewis (Mothman) are depicted as working together closely. ''Very'' closely. They even bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and Hollis frets constantly over Byron's fragile mental health.

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* In the ''Minutemen'' edition of ''Before Watchmen'' (as well as seeing the romantic/sexual relationship between Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis, ''and'' Silhouette's relationship with her long-term girlfriend, Gretchen), Hollis Mason (the original Nite Owl) and Byron Lewis (Mothman) are depicted as working together closely. ''Very'' closely. They even bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and Hollis frets constantly over Byron's fragile mental health. Hell, Hollis straight-up tells Byron 'you know I love you' at one point.


** And speaking of movie Adrian, he and Dan seem to be...close. More so than in the book.

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** And speaking of movie Adrian, he and Dan seem to be...close. More so than in the book.book.
* In the ''Minutemen'' edition of ''Before Watchmen'' (as well as seeing the romantic/sexual relationship between Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis, ''and'' Silhouette's relationship with her long-term girlfriend, Gretchen), Hollis Mason (the original Nite Owl) and Byron Lewis (Mothman) are depicted as working together closely. ''Very'' closely. They even bicker LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, and Hollis frets constantly over Byron's fragile mental health.


-->'''Eddie''': --''[[InsistentTerminology Respect]]'' him. Honestly.

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-->'''Eddie''': --''[[InsistentTerminology Respect]]'' him. Honestly.Honestly.
* In the movie, there's a folder on Adrian's computer (in a password-protected location, no less!) labelled simply as 'BOYS'. Make of that what you will.
** And speaking of movie Adrian, he and Dan seem to be...close. More so than in the book.

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** When Nite Owl brings Silk Spectre aboard Archimedes, she has to point out to him that she's safely on board and can let go of her hand, a clear hint of his attraction to her. Later and in similar circumstances, Rorschach shakes Nite Owl's hand, and Nite Owl has to pry his hand free of Rorschach's grip.


* As ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' is the DeconstructorFleet of the superhero genre, the homosexuality subtext was addressed. Two male members of the Minutemen were having a closet relationship (with [[spoiler:Hooded Justice]] not being a huge fan of monogamy, and a large fan of S&M), and the lesbian Silhouette was cast out of the team after she was outed (we're talking about TheThirties here). Aside from the official Ho Yay, some suggest subtext between many male characters, most popular pairing being Rorschach and Nite Owl II.

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* As ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' is the DeconstructorFleet of the superhero genre, the homosexuality subtext was addressed. Two male members of the Minutemen were having a closet relationship (with [[spoiler:Hooded Justice]] not being a huge fan of monogamy, and a large fan of S&M), and the lesbian Silhouette was cast out of the team after she was outed (we're talking about TheThirties here). Aside from the official Ho Yay, some suggest these canonically gay individuals, readers have seen homoerotic subtext between in many of the male characters, characters's relationships, the most popular pairing being Rorschach and Nite Owl II.



** Wait, so Before Watchmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knoll?
** Before Watchmen has the Comedian behind the assassination of Bobby Kennedy instead of JFK. It also includes this conversation:

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** Wait, so Before Watchmen ''Before Watchmen'' has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knoll?
** Before Watchmen ''Before Watchmen'' has the Comedian behind the assassination of Bobby Kennedy instead of JFK. It also includes this conversation:


-->'''Eddie Blake''':Hey -- I didn't mean --

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-->'''Eddie Blake''':Hey Blake''': Hey -- I didn't mean --



-->'''Eddie''': --''[[InsistentTerminology Respect]]''him. Honestly.

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-->'''Eddie''': --''[[InsistentTerminology Respect]]''him.Respect]]'' him. Honestly.


** Wait, so Before Watchmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knoll?

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** Wait, so Before Watchmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knoll?Knoll?
**Before Watchmen has the Comedian behind the assassination of Bobby Kennedy instead of JFK. It also includes this conversation:
-->'''Jackie Kennedy''': And by the way, "baby" isn't something you should call the wife of a man you love.
-->'''Eddie Blake''':Hey -- I didn't mean --
-->'''Jackie''': --Any disrespect?
-->'''Eddie''': Exactly.
-->'''Jackie''': I wish you did. I think I'd like to be honestly disrespected.
-->'''Eddie''': Well, I'm...
-->'''Jackie''': ---not going to do that?
-->'''Eddie''': No, I'm not. Because--
-->'''Jackie''': You love--
-->'''Eddie''': --''[[InsistentTerminology Respect]]''him. Honestly.


** Contempt? The only time I can recall Rorschach even mentioning gays was after he spoke to Ozymandias: "Possibly homosexual? Must remember to investigate further."
*** He mentions that in his opinion Silhouette's death was her own fault, caused by her "indecent lifestyle". Remember that Rorschach's world-view is that of an ultra-right wing nutjob on steroids.
*** "Investigate further", forsooth? Shades of J. Edgar Hoover!
*** And don't forget Nite Owl II cites that Rorschach might be looking for friends as a reason for his constant (door breaking) visits, plus when they shake hands there's a frame where Rorschach holds the shake for a moment too long to make Nite Owl II feel comfortable.
*** On the first point, Rorschach investigates everyone. He's like TheQuestion that way. (Which ain't so weird considering that before DC created new characters for the story, this role were supposed to be TheQuestion)Secondly, I've always thought the handshake was meant to show just how socially inept he is. He's familiar with the concept of shaking hands, but he's never had to actually do it.
**** There's a flashback panel during his sessions with Long that shows him shaking hands with Nite Owl II in the halcyon days of their partnership. I don't think it's that easy to forget how...
**** On the other hand, before that Rorschach has probably never been touched ''nonviolently''.
**** I thought the handshake was meant to parallel Dan holding Laurie's hand for a panel too long, earlier on. Also, the inkblot shape on Rorschach's face is a giant goofy smile after he lets go...
**** As the whole of Watchmen has many, many parallels between scenes and hidden connections, the fact that Daniel's 'far too long handholding' is indicative of his desire for Laurie, it really seems likely it's the same with Rorschach. Anyone can agree that Daniel's the only person Rorschach actually cares about. Except maybe President Truman. And his father.
**** According to Dave Gibbons, [[http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/110308-watchmen-movie-dave-gibbons.php the handshake wasn't meant to be homoerotic.]]


** Wait, so Before Watchmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knowl?

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** Wait, so Before Watchmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knowl?Knoll?


** Wait, so Before Wathcmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knowl?

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** Wait, so Before Wathcmen Watchmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knowl?


* The new ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen: Comedian'' mini-series suggests that part of what drove Eddie Blake to become such a monster was the fact that he was ''really'' good friends with John F. Kennedy, and watching Jack get shot down just crystallized his own cynicism about humanity.

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* The new ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen: Comedian'' mini-series suggests that part of what drove Eddie Blake to become such a monster was the fact that he was ''really'' good friends with John F. Kennedy, and watching Jack get shot down just crystallized his own cynicism about humanity.humanity.
** Wait, so Before Wathcmen has retconned it being Eddie behind the Grassy Knowl?


* The new ''BeforeWatchmen:Comedian'' mini-series suggests that part of what drove Eddie Blake to become such a monster was the fact that he was ''really'' good friends with John F. Kennedy, and watching Jack get shot down just crystallized his own cynicism about humanity.

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* The new ''BeforeWatchmen:Comedian'' ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen: Comedian'' mini-series suggests that part of what drove Eddie Blake to become such a monster was the fact that he was ''really'' good friends with John F. Kennedy, and watching Jack get shot down just crystallized his own cynicism about humanity.

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*The new ''BeforeWatchmen:Comedian'' mini-series suggests that part of what drove Eddie Blake to become such a monster was the fact that he was ''really'' good friends with John F. Kennedy, and watching Jack get shot down just crystallized his own cynicism about humanity.

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