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** A lot of shadowhunters marry at a very young age (probably because so much of them die young). Jocelyn and Valentine married when they were 17 and 19. Stephen proposed to Amatis in high school and Alec's own parents seem to have married shortly after they graduated.

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** *** A lot of shadowhunters actually marry at a very young age (probably because so much of them die young). Jocelyn and Valentine married when they were 17 and 19. Stephen proposed to Amatis in high school and Alec's own parents seem to have married shortly after they graduated.

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** A lot of shadowhunters marry at a very young age (probably because so much of them die young). Jocelyn and Valentine married when they were 17 and 19. Stephen proposed to Amatis in high school and Alec's own parents seem to have married shortly after they graduated.

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** It was probably Camille. Raphael is very pragmatic and anti fun. Risking problems with the shadowhunters for some entertainment does not fit with Raphael's character.

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*** Because we like supernatural adventures chuck full of drama and excitement! Once you get past the way this series panders to simpleminded teens, it's loads of fun.

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*** The problem with the "Shadowhunters are somewhat Medieval, so teens are pretty much adults" reasoning is that it's Jossed in "City of Ashes." Luke mentions that Shadowhunters consider eighteen to be the age of adulthood and that teenagers "are a modern concept."


* Okay, I'm real late to the party but I have a huge question about the ending. Okay, so the ring Jace was wearing was not a Wayland ring but a Morgenstern ring. But wouldn't he have noticed? I mean, the Wayland ring should have had a hammer on it (correct me if I'm wrong here) and the Morgenstern ring has stars. How can you confuse the two?

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* Okay, I'm real late to the party but I have a huge question about the ending. Okay, so ending of City of Bones. So, the ring Jace was wearing was not a Wayland ring but a Morgenstern ring. But wouldn't he have noticed? I mean, the Wayland ring should have had a hammer on it (correct me if I'm wrong here) and the Morgenstern ring has stars. How can you confuse the two?


Okay, I'm real late to the party but I have a huge question about the ending. Okay, so the ring Jace was wearing was not a Wayland ring but a Morgenstern ring. But wouldn't he have noticed? I mean, the Wayland ring should have had a hammer on it (correct me if I'm wrong here) and the Morgenstern ring has stars. How can you confuse the two?

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* Okay, I'm real late to the party but I have a huge question about the ending. Okay, so the ring Jace was wearing was not a Wayland ring but a Morgenstern ring. But wouldn't he have noticed? I mean, the Wayland ring should have had a hammer on it (correct me if I'm wrong here) and the Morgenstern ring has stars. How can you confuse the two?

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Okay, I'm real late to the party but I have a huge question about the ending. Okay, so the ring Jace was wearing was not a Wayland ring but a Morgenstern ring. But wouldn't he have noticed? I mean, the Wayland ring should have had a hammer on it (correct me if I'm wrong here) and the Morgenstern ring has stars. How can you confuse the two?

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** Honestly there are no hints whatsoever that Jace and Clary could be related in ''City of Bones'' and was really a cheaply used device for wangst and drama and to allow UST. It was also obvious that Valentine lied about them being siblings too. I mean Clary has red hair and green eyes, Jace is blonde with amber eyes, neither Valentine or Jocelyn have Jace's characteristics. Props to the movie for having a scene where Valentine and Hodge conspire to trick Clary and Jace.


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* Why do people like these books so damn much? They're ''awful''.
** Go ask a ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fan. Those books are ''far'' worse and have an even bigger following!


** Honestly there are no hints whatsoever that Jace and Clary could be related in ''City of Bones'' and was really a cheaply used device for wangst and drama and to allow UST. It was also obvious that Valentine lied about them being siblings too. I mean Clary has red hair and green eyes, Jace is blonde with amber eyes, neither Valentine or Jocelyn have Jace's characteristics. Props to the movie for having a scene where Valentine and Hodge conspire to trick Clary and Jace.


* Why do people like these books so damn much? They're ''awful''.
** Go ask a ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' fan. Those books are ''far'' worse and have an even bigger following!


** As with real-world legends about the Fair Folk, they appear to mingle with humans more than a little. Helen and Mark Blackthorn are only Shadowhunters because Nephilim blood always predominates in cases of InterspeciesRomance. However, many Faeries may have mundane ancestry. Another possibility is that they have souls because angels have souls. Raziel calls out the lack of a soul of the defining trait of being a demon. His contempt for the "unsouled" implies that angels, like humans, have souls courtesy of God. Most of demonkind, the spawn of Lilith and other monstrous origins, were not given souls by God. As for the Fallen Angels[=/=]Princes of Hell, their Fall apparently turned them into EldritchAbomination[=s=], which is why they never appear in angelic form. They are also actively committed to evil and destruction. The angels are simply in a TimeAbyss and don't see what the fuss is about when mortals complain about immediate (to them) problems.

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** As with real-world legends about the Fair Folk, they appear to mingle with humans more than a little. Helen and Mark Blackthorn are only Shadowhunters because Nephilim blood always predominates in cases of InterspeciesRomance. However, many Faeries may have mundane ancestry. Another possibility is that they have souls because angels have souls. Raziel calls out the lack of a soul of the defining trait of being a demon. His contempt for the "unsouled" implies that angels, like humans, have souls courtesy of God. Most of demonkind, the spawn of Lilith and other monstrous origins, were not given souls by God. As for the Fallen Angels[=/=]Princes of Hell, their Fall apparently turned them into EldritchAbomination[=s=], which is why they never appear in angelic form. They are also actively committed to evil and destruction. The angels are simply in a TimeAbyss and don't see what the fuss is about when mortals complain about immediate (to them) problems.problems.
*In ''City of Glass'' Valentine speaks with the current Inquisitor as a hologram, and at the end of the conversation sticks his hand through the Inquisitor's chest and pulls it out, killing the Inquisitor. Valentine was a hologram. How is this even possible? Was it ever explained in the book and I missed it? Or was it passed off as AWizardDidIt?


* Okay, so Raziel makes a comment that downworlders have human souls. Okay fair enough when it comes to Vampires, Werewolves, and Warlocks since they were human or half-human. But Faeries are said to be the offspring of Angels and Demons mating, and while some demons were humans once (like Lilith or a certain character from Main/TheInfernalDevices) the Fair Folk's race is supposed to be older than the human race. So how do they have a human soul? And for that matter since demons are fallen angels how are they really that different than angels, I mean they're manipulative [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] but so are the angels, and the demons!

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* Okay, so Raziel makes a comment that downworlders have human souls. Okay fair enough when it comes to Vampires, Werewolves, and Warlocks since they were human or half-human. But Faeries are said to be the offspring of Angels and Demons mating, and while some demons were humans once (like Lilith or a certain character from Main/TheInfernalDevices) Literature/TheInfernalDevices) the Fair Folk's race is supposed to be older than the human race. So how do they have a human soul? And for that matter since demons are fallen angels how are they really that different than angels, I mean they're manipulative [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] but so are the angels, and the demons!


*** Only kind of screwed up? The laws they introduced are punishing every faery worldwide, affiliated with a Court or no, for the crimes of one queen. The Nephilim seem to only deal with absolutes when it comes to Downworlders; one Downworlder is evil, so all of their kind is evil. [[{{Hypocrite}}never mind that there are Shadowhunters who are far far worse and got off relatively tamely for their crimes]]

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*** Only kind of screwed up? The laws they introduced are punishing every faery worldwide, affiliated with a Court or no, for the crimes of one queen. The Nephilim seem to only deal with absolutes when it comes to Downworlders; one Downworlder is evil, so all of their kind is evil. [[{{Hypocrite}}never [[{{Hypocrite}} Never mind that there are Shadowhunters who are far far worse and got off relatively tamely for their crimes]]


*** Only kind of screwed up? The laws they introduced are punishing every faery worldwide, affiliated with a Court or no, for the crimes of one queen. The Nephilim seem to only deal with absolutes when it comes to Downworlders; one Downworlder is evil, so all of their kind is evil. [[Hypocritenever mind that there are Shadowhunters who are far far worse and got off relatively tamely for their crimes]]

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*** Only kind of screwed up? The laws they introduced are punishing every faery worldwide, affiliated with a Court or no, for the crimes of one queen. The Nephilim seem to only deal with absolutes when it comes to Downworlders; one Downworlder is evil, so all of their kind is evil. [[Hypocritenever [[{{Hypocrite}}never mind that there are Shadowhunters who are far far worse and got off relatively tamely for their crimes]]

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