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*** It's fairly common for TranslationConvention to use a different language for spoken dialogue, but still keep songs in the language the characters are supposed to be speaking (for example, ''Film/CrossOfIron'' has German soldiers speaking English but singing in German, and ''Film/TheBeastOfWar'' has Soviet soldiers speaking English but has a snippet of a Russian-language song playing on a radio).


* It is specifically mentioned in-dialogue (in the book version, at least) that Soviet naval regulations are that if the political officer dies while under way, the captain keeps both keys. Ramius is only doing what The Book requires him to do in such a situation; why should anyone find this suspicious? Dr. Petrov's objections to this only prove that Dr. Petrov doesn't know what he's talking about... which is not surprising, as he's a) a doctor, not a line officer and b) a politically-connected incompetent.

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* It is specifically mentioned in-dialogue (in the book version, at least) that Soviet naval regulations are that if the political officer dies while under way, the captain keeps both keys. Ramius is only doing what The Book requires him to do in such a situation; why should anyone find this suspicious? It's only in the film that Dr. Petrov's objections to objects. Either this is meant to only prove that Dr. Petrov doesn't know what he's talking about... which is not surprising, as he's a) a doctor, not a line officer and b) a politically-connected incompetent. Or the film just just takes artistic license with the military as it also implies that only two keys are required instead of five in the novel.


* Know what else stinks on a submarine? Everything. Fresh paint, semi-refrigerated food, diesel fuel, lube oil, cigarette smoke[[note]] Especially the notoriously-godawful Soviet cigarettes[[/note]] (and Putin was smoking immediately prior to his death), and unwashed ass. Burnt paper's just a needle in a haystack.

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* Know what else stinks on a submarine? Everything. Fresh paint, semi-refrigerated food, diesel fuel, lube oil, cigarette smoke[[note]] Especially the notoriously-godawful Soviet cigarettes[[/note]] (and Putin was smoking immediately prior to his death), amine from the carbon dioxide scrubbers, and unwashed ass. Burnt paper's just a needle in a haystack.



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** There actually is, in fact, an [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pbnTI1_LM English version]].


** Specifically: [[spoiler: he slams Putin against the edge of the table at the juncture of the spine and skull, and presses down on his chest, making a clean break of the spinal cord between the second and third vertebrae. This cuts the brain stem off from Putin's lungs, so his diaphragm stops working. Although his heart keeps beating for about two minutes, Putin suffocates to death.]]

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** Specifically: [[spoiler: he slams Putin against the edge of the table at the juncture of the spine and skull, and presses down on his chest, making a clean break of the spinal cord between the second and third vertebrae. This cuts the brain stem off from Putin's lungs, so his diaphragm stops working. Although his heart keeps beating for about two minutes, Putin suffocates to death.]]



** Plausible deniability. They'll suspect what happened, but they'll never be able to prove it. Not to mention that they'll be looking for an explanation that saves diplomatic face after what was a diplomatic and military disaster. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing the issue after that, so lots of gritted teeth and a general moving onto the next project. That is what the cold war was all about really, win some-lose some.

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** * Plausible deniability. They'll suspect what happened, but they'll never be able to prove it. Not to mention that they'll be looking for an explanation that saves diplomatic face after what was a diplomatic and military disaster. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing the issue after that, so lots of gritted teeth and a general moving onto the next project. That is what the cold war was all about really, win some-lose some.


* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of a room and require all keys to be turned at the exact same

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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of a room and require all keys to be turned at the exact same
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The Soviet ambassador states in his final scene that the Konovalov is missing, and that its final location was exactly where the Red October [[spoiler: purportedly sank]]. Even with the rescued crew [[spoiler: misreporting the identity of the torpedoed vessel]], the Soviets are still looking for a submarine, and it's shown earlier that they have sufficient ships and sonar buoys in place to intercept one heading for the United States. It's not clear what convinces the Soviets [[spoiler: which of their two missing submarines was sunk]], or how [[spoiler: the Red October gets to Maine]] unmolested.

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The Soviet ambassador states in his final scene that the Konovalov is missing, and that its final location was exactly where the Red October [[spoiler: purportedly sank]]. sank. Even with the rescued crew [[spoiler: misreporting the identity of the torpedoed vessel]], vessel, the Soviets are still looking for a submarine, and it's shown earlier that they have sufficient ships and sonar buoys in place to intercept one heading for the United States. It's not clear what convinces the Soviets [[spoiler: which of their two missing submarines was sunk]], sunk, or how [[spoiler: the Red October gets to Maine]] unmolested.

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Maine unmolested.
** Plausible deniability. They'll suspect what happened, but they'll never be able to prove it. Not to mention that they'll be looking for an explanation that saves diplomatic face after what was a diplomatic and military disaster. There is nothing to be gained in pursuing the issue after that, so lots of gritted teeth and a general moving onto the next project. That is what the cold war was all about really, win some-lose some.


* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of a room and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.

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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of a room and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.same

[[WMG:How does the ruse convince the Soviets?]]
The Soviet ambassador states in his final scene that the Konovalov is missing, and that its final location was exactly where the Red October [[spoiler: purportedly sank]]. Even with the rescued crew [[spoiler: misreporting the identity of the torpedoed vessel]], the Soviets are still looking for a submarine, and it's shown earlier that they have sufficient ships and sonar buoys in place to intercept one heading for the United States. It's not clear what convinces the Soviets [[spoiler: which of their two missing submarines was sunk]], or how [[spoiler: the Red October gets to Maine]] unmolested.

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* Know what else stinks on a submarine? Everything. Fresh paint, semi-refrigerated food, diesel fuel, lube oil, cigarette smoke, and unwashed ass. Burnt paper's just a needle in a haystack.

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* Know what else stinks on a submarine? Everything. Fresh paint, semi-refrigerated food, diesel fuel, lube oil, cigarette smoke, smoke[[note]] Especially the notoriously-godawful Soviet cigarettes[[/note]] (and Putin was smoking immediately prior to his death), and unwashed ass. Burnt paper's just a needle in a haystack.


* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of the same room, and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.

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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of the same room, a room and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.


* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system anyways.

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* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system anyways.system. The keyholes would be on opposite sides of the same room, and require all keys to be turned at the exact same time.


* It's entirely possible that the officers actually ''are'' speaking in English; after all, they're already planning to defect to America, and senior military officers always have a built-in excuse for learning the language of their nation's primary opponent. And if any crewmember overhears them... he can't understand what they're saying, and its irrelevant who he reports the fact that the officers are speaking in English to because (as far as Ramius and his officers know) the only GRU man onboard the boat is already dead and they obviously don't intend to still be there by the time the crew makes it back to Russia. (Plus, of course, he can simply be told "Yes, we are practicing our English, so we can better monitor Western transmissions. This is your business ''how'', seaman?")
*** Heck, they could openly say to the crewman's face "Yes, we're speaking in a language you do not understand precisely because we do not want the enlisted men to know what we are talking about." It's not like that would be a ''surprising'' sentiment in the old Soviet navy.
** The sailors are singing the Hymn of the Soviet Union, a very distinctive song for which I'm not aware there is an English version. In dialogue, the translation convention renders characters' words as English, but that would be very difficult to do with the Soviet national anthem and would lesson the impact of the scene.

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* It's entirely possible that the officers actually ''are'' speaking in English; after all, they're already planning to defect to America, and senior military officers always have a built-in excuse for learning the language of their nation's primary opponent. And if any crewmember overhears them... he can't understand what they're saying, and its irrelevant who he reports the fact that the officers are speaking in English to because (as far as Ramius and his officers know) the only GRU man onboard the boat is already dead and they obviously don't intend to still be there by the time the crew makes it back to Russia. (Plus, of course, he can simply be told "Yes, we are practicing our English, so we can better monitor Western transmissions. This is your business ''how'', seaman?")
*** Heck, they could openly say to the crewman's face "Yes, we're speaking in a language you do not understand precisely because we do not want the enlisted men to know what we are talking about." It's not like that would be a ''surprising'' sentiment in the old Soviet navy.
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The sailors are singing the Hymn of the Soviet Union, a very distinctive song for which I'm not aware there is an English version. In dialogue, the translation convention renders characters' words as English, but that would be very difficult to do with the Soviet national anthem and would lesson the impact of the scene.



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* In the movie, a warning light alerts the men in the control room when Loginov opens the missile tube hatch. Perhaps he felt it was better to at least use the element of surprise to cause confusion (and possibly take out one of his adversaries first, as he managed to do) rather than risk being taken by surprise himself when someone came forward to investigate why the hatch was open.



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** The sailors are singing the Hymn of the Soviet Union, a very distinctive song for which I'm not aware there is an English version. In dialogue, the translation convention renders characters' words as English, but that would be very difficult to do with the Soviet national anthem and would lesson the impact of the scene.


* Also, Borodin already has a missile control key -- his own, as he's one of the five separate officers it takes to approve a missile launch on a Soviet submarine in that era. So either way, ''someone'' would have to carry two keys if one of the five officers dies; the logical candidate to do that is, of course, the most senior officer.

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* Also, Borodin already has a missile control key -- his own, as he's one of the five separate officers it takes to approve a missile launch on a Soviet submarine in that era. So either way, ''someone'' would have to carry two keys if one of the five officers dies; the logical candidate to do that is, of course, the most senior officer.officer.
* And in any case, most [[TwoKeyedLock multi-key safety systems]] are designed so that one person cannot reach all of the keys at once to turn them, so one person having multiple keys would not represent a breakdown of the system anyways.


* He might have been trying to kill everyone and return the submarine to Russia. When his first attempt failed, and he lost the element of surprise, he knew a second attempt was doomed to fail. So he tried the next best thing; prevent the submarine from falling into American hands.

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* He might have been trying to kill everyone and return the submarine to Russia. When his first attempt failed, and he lost the element of surprise, he knew a second attempt was doomed to fail. So he tried the next best thing; prevent the submarine from falling into American hands.

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