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** The T-800 from the first movie was taken off guard by getting shot several times at point blank range. He could not prepare for incoming fire. The T-800 in this movie was expecting to get shot.

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** The T-800 from the first movie was taken off guard by getting shot several times at point blank range. He could not prepare for incoming fire. The T-800 in this movie was expecting to get shot.shot.
** Well a 40mm grenade only travels around 250 fps, whereas a 12 gauge shotgun slug travels 1,200-1,600 fps.

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*** Ever get smacked with a backhoe and shrugged it off with some cold compresses and tylenol? If it weren't for PlotArmor, anyone getting thrown around by one of these Terminator units would've suffered lethal internal injuries upon landing.


* How is it that a T-800 here can withstand a grenade launch, when a shotgun was enough to knock it down in T1?

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* How is it that a T-800 here can withstand a grenade launch, when a shotgun was enough to knock it down in T1?T1?
** The T-800 from the first movie was taken off guard by getting shot several times at point blank range. He could not prepare for incoming fire. The T-800 in this movie was expecting to get shot.

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*** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Weather_Emergency_Operations_Center The bunkers for the executive leadership of the United States]] are nowhere near where John ends up at the end of T3. They're also maintained and ready despite the end of the Cold War, and were actually used as an evacuation point for the congressional leadership during the September 11th attacks. Of course, they're also publicly known and almost certainly a target for multiple ICBMs, so actually riding out a nuclear attack there is pretty dicey. In any case, in T3 it's probably got enough control over alert systems by that point to prevent its targets from getting to their bunkers in time.


** Marcus could've had type O blood already, or (and I'm aware that [[YouFailBiologyForever I fail biology forever]]) Skynet could've replaced his blood with type O or artificial plasma while they were working on him - it's TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture after all, and Skyberdyne has nigh-unlimited reasources.

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** Marcus could've had type O blood already, or (and I'm aware that [[YouFailBiologyForever [[ArtisticLicenseBiology I fail biology forever]]) Skynet could've replaced his blood with type O or artificial plasma while they were working on him - it's TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture after all, and Skyberdyne has nigh-unlimited reasources.


* In ''Salvation'', how did the Harvester, a huge bipedal machine with a column of black some coming out of it (was it diesel powered or what?), approach unnoticed a hideout in the desert?

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* In ''Salvation'', how How did the Harvester, a huge bipedal machine with a column of black some coming out of it (was it diesel powered or what?), approach unnoticed a hideout in the desert?



* In T4: How the blazes does the Skynet of ''any'' time-line (ESPECIALLY the ''Salvation'' one) know that Reese will be John's father?

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* In T4: How the blazes does the Skynet of ''any'' time-line (ESPECIALLY the ''Salvation'' one) know that Reese will be John's father?



* Also, in ''Salvation'', HOW is there still a Cyberdyne Systems? They blow up Cyberdyne in T2, and it's established in T3 that the military ends up creating Skynet, not Cyberdyne. Unless Salvation is in a different timeline.

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* Also, in ''Salvation'', HOW is there still a Cyberdyne Systems? They blow up Cyberdyne in T2, and it's established in T3 that the military ends up creating Skynet, not Cyberdyne. Unless Salvation is in a different timeline.



* Two things REALLY bugged me about Salvation. 1) How was it possible that during the first nuclear blast, Connor's helicopter crashed after being hit by the EMP, but during the 2nd nuclear blast, the helicopter flew away without a problem? Does [=McG=] not understand how this contradicts itself, for how nukes work? Also, 2) did [=McG=] even watch ''T2''? At the end of the movie, both terminators were destroyed by molten steel, but in Salvation, the T-800 has molten steel dumped on it and this doesn't cause ANY damage. None, whatsoever.

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* Two things REALLY bugged me about Salvation. 1) How was it possible that during the first nuclear blast, Connor's helicopter crashed after being hit by the EMP, but during the 2nd nuclear blast, the helicopter flew away without a problem? Does [=McG=] not understand how this contradicts itself, for how nukes work? Also, 2) did [=McG=] even watch ''T2''? At the end of the movie, both terminators were destroyed by molten steel, but in Salvation, the T-800 has molten steel dumped on it and this doesn't cause ANY damage. None, whatsoever.



* The cameo from a young-looking Arnie in ''Salvation'' was a nice moment in the cinema... but unfortunately it kind of implies that [=SkyNet=] is manufacturing hundreds and hundreds of ''identical'' terminators. Which, uh, gravely undermines the value of disguising them in the first place. Unless [=SkyNet=] has a ''separate'' factory cranking out hundreds of spectacles, fake beards, etc... or they program the terminators with a "Oh, no, I get that all the time, I just ''look'' like the implacable killing machine guy, that's all" subroutine.
** It doesn't necessarily imply that. We only see ''one'' Arnie in ''Salvation'', and the reason we see him is probably the same reasoning given by the T-850 in ''Rise of the Machines'': Skynet knows of Connor's childhood attachment to that particular model, and would have thought it wonderful irony to have Connor be killed by the "same" robot that saved his life as a kid.

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* The cameo from a young-looking Arnie in ''Salvation'' was a nice moment in the cinema... but unfortunately it kind of implies that [=SkyNet=] is manufacturing hundreds and hundreds of ''identical'' terminators. Which, uh, gravely undermines the value of disguising them in the first place. Unless [=SkyNet=] has a ''separate'' factory cranking out hundreds of spectacles, fake beards, etc... or they program the terminators with a "Oh, no, I get that all the time, I just ''look'' like the implacable killing machine guy, that's all" subroutine.
** It doesn't necessarily imply that. We only see ''one'' Arnie in ''Salvation'', Arnie, and the reason we see him is probably the same reasoning given by the T-850 in ''Rise of the Machines'': Skynet knows of Connor's childhood attachment to that particular model, and would have thought it wonderful irony to have Connor be killed by the "same" robot that saved his life as a kid.



* Why was John only worried about Kyle getting blown in the work camp during ''Salvation''?

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* Why was John only worried about Kyle getting blown in the work camp during ''Salvation''?camp?



* [=SkyNet=] had the opportunity to converse with John Connor during ''Salvation''. I find it hard to believe that it couldn't have produced an image on a wall or have spoken to him over the loud speakers. I only mention this because these figures are supposed to be the leaders of both sides of the Human-Machine War and enemies across the fabric of time itself. Skynet can't even take a moment out of its time to gloat at its worst enemy?

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* [=SkyNet=] had the opportunity to converse with John Connor during ''Salvation''.Connor. I find it hard to believe that it couldn't have produced an image on a wall or have spoken to him over the loud speakers. I only mention this because these figures are supposed to be the leaders of both sides of the Human-Machine War and enemies across the fabric of time itself. Skynet can't even take a moment out of its time to gloat at its worst enemy?



* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs -- not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc.) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.

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* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs -- not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc.) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], destroyed, making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.



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*** This is actually confirmed in the novelization of ''T2''. John Connors goes through several T-800 fabrication lines and pick up the one model he remembers from his youth (i.e. looking like Arnie).



** The very first scene, Connor's unit goes down into the lab, then Connor goes up, sees his mates dead, and a Terminator flyer taking off, somehow derives that the prisoners must be aboard and attempts to pursue it, and then the machines blow up the lab. Why didn't they do it earlier? How did they manage to kill the topside humans without them alerting the underground ones? Why didn't whoever killed the topside humans stay to make sure that nobody escapes from the lab or, better yet, went in and kill them all? Why wasn't the lab protected? When did they have time to transport prisoners to the surface and load them into the flyer and moreover why did they bother - it's not like they have shortage of slaves/test subjects? Was Connor intent to take that tansport on alone? How the hell did Marcus survive the explosion completely unscathed?

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** The very first scene, Connor's unit goes down into the lab, then Connor goes up, sees his mates dead, and a Terminator flyer taking off, somehow derives that the prisoners must be aboard and attempts to pursue it, and then the machines blow up the lab. Why didn't they do it earlier? How did they manage to kill the topside humans without them alerting the underground ones? Why didn't whoever killed the topside humans stay to make sure that nobody escapes from the lab or, better yet, went in and kill them all? Why wasn't the lab protected? When did they have time to transport prisoners to the surface and load them into the flyer and moreover why did they bother - -- it's not like they have shortage of slaves/test subjects? Was Connor intent to take that tansport on alone? How the hell did Marcus survive the explosion completely unscathed?



** In the end Connor bestows Reese with a Resistance uniform, saying that "you earned it"? Excuse me? Did I miss the part when Reese actually did something usefull for the Resistance? Moreover, for the duration of the whole movie Connor keeps harping about Reese's importance. Well, apparently nobody, his superiors included, cares enough to inquire, otherwise what exactly would Connor say? "He's destined to bang my mom in the past, so I have to wrap him in cotton-wool, or else I'm screwed out of existence"?

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** In the end Connor bestows Reese with a Resistance uniform, saying that "you earned it"? Excuse me? Did I miss the part when Reese actually did something usefull useful for the Resistance? Moreover, for the duration of the whole movie Connor keeps harping about Reese's importance. Well, apparently nobody, his superiors included, cares enough to inquire, otherwise what exactly would Connor say? "He's destined to bang my mom in the past, so I have to wrap him in cotton-wool, or else I'm screwed out of existence"?



** Go back and rewatch the first film. Who does John Connor send back to protect his mom? Kyle. And who ends up fathering John Conner? Kyle.

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** Go back and rewatch the first film. Who does John Connor send back to protect his mom? Kyle. And who ends up fathering John Conner? Connor? Kyle.



* [=SkyNet=] had the opportunity to converse with John Conner during Salvation. I find it hard to believe that it couldn't have produced an image on a wall or have spoken to him over the loud speakers. I only mention this because these figures are supposed to be the leaders of both sides of the Human-Machine War and enemies across the fabric of time itself. Skynet can't even take a moment out of its time to gloat at its worst enemy?

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* [=SkyNet=] had the opportunity to converse with John Conner Connor during Salvation.''Salvation''. I find it hard to believe that it couldn't have produced an image on a wall or have spoken to him over the loud speakers. I only mention this because these figures are supposed to be the leaders of both sides of the Human-Machine War and enemies across the fabric of time itself. Skynet can't even take a moment out of its time to gloat at its worst enemy?



** That wasn't gloating, that was congratulations. Skynet was too dumb to know that taking the form of his last kiss and congratulating him on something he didn't want to do would anger Marcus...much like why it sent a terminator instead of leaving a bomb, but to be fair, that would have worked if John did not learn a terminator killed him that way in T3.

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** That wasn't gloating, that was congratulations. Skynet was too dumb to know that taking the form of his last kiss and congratulating him on something he didn't want to do would anger Marcus... much like why it sent a terminator instead of leaving a bomb, but to be fair, that would have worked if John did not learn a terminator killed him that way in T3.



** The Resistance is basically an alliance of surviving military units from different countries. Ashdown (and later Connor) was entrusted withn command by the leadership of this alliance.

* When the T-800 encounters Connor near the end why does it bat him around instead of just snapping his neck? Is there a trope for this activity? Specifically one for powerful hand-to-hand combat characters who needlessly prolong their fights.

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** The Resistance is basically an alliance of surviving military units from different countries. Ashdown (and later Connor) was entrusted withn with command by the leadership of this alliance.

* When the T-800 encounters Connor near the end end, why does it bat him around instead of just snapping his neck? Is there a trope for this activity? Specifically one for powerful hand-to-hand combat characters who needlessly prolong their fights.



** Two possibilities. 1) Skynet is gloating. It knows that for the first time, it has John Connor within its grasp, with no backup, against a machine that even with all his weaponry may not be killable, and with hundreds of other Terminators as backup if this one fails. It can't be begrudged a few minutes of tomfoolery. 2) The AI is not yet perfect.Remember, literally every single other Terminator we see in the movie has a weapon. The AI might be specialized for aiming and accurate judgement of trajectories, that could even be why it keeps on launching Connor elsewhere, it doesn't know any other way of killing.

* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs -- not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.

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** Two possibilities. 1) Skynet is gloating. It knows that for the first time, it has John Connor within its grasp, with no backup, against a machine that even with all his weaponry may not be killable, and with hundreds of other Terminators as backup if this one fails. It can't be begrudged a few minutes of tomfoolery. 2) The AI is not yet perfect. Remember, literally every single other Terminator we see in the movie has a weapon. The AI might be specialized for aiming and accurate judgement of trajectories, that could even be why it keeps on launching Connor elsewhere, it doesn't know any other way of killing.

* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs -- not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc) etc.) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.


* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs -- not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.

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* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs -- not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.afterwards.

* How is it that a T-800 here can withstand a grenade launch, when a shotgun was enough to knock it down in T1?



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** Two possibilities. 1) Skynet is gloating. It knows that for the first time, it has John Connor within its grasp, with no backup, against a machine that even with all his weaponry may not be killable, and with hundreds of other Terminators as backup if this one fails. It can't be begrudged a few minutes of tomfoolery. 2) The AI is not yet perfect.Remember, literally every single other Terminator we see in the movie has a weapon. The AI might be specialized for aiming and accurate judgement of trajectories, that could even be why it keeps on launching Connor elsewhere, it doesn't know any other way of killing.


* In Salvation, how did the Harvester, a huge bipedal machine with a column of black some coming out of it (was it diesel powered or what?), approach unnoticed a hideout in the desert?

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* In Salvation, ''Salvation'', how did the Harvester, a huge bipedal machine with a column of black some coming out of it (was it diesel powered or what?), approach unnoticed a hideout in the desert?



*** The problems is that even with this sound-dampening stealth-mode, we still have a gigantic machine walking through a flat desert while approaching the rebels' hideoutm a very noticeable thing. I guess whoever had the guard shift at that time was in the restroom.

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*** The problems is that even with this sound-dampening stealth-mode, we still have a gigantic machine walking through a flat desert while approaching the rebels' hideoutm hideout a very noticeable thing. I guess whoever had the guard shift at that time was in the restroom.



* Near the beginning of T4, a crawling Terminator skeleton is killed with plain old, regular machine-gun fire. One of the heroes (Connor, Reese or Marcus, I can't remember who) simply fires enough bullets into the Terminator endoskeleton, and it stops moving. Um, HELLO? Wasn't the whole POINT of the first movie about how damn near impossible it is to kill a Terminator? You know, "That thing out there, it can't be reasoned with. It feels no pain, no emotion, and it won't stop until you are dead". They blow the thing up TWICE, and even after that, the remnants of the skeleton continue to chase after Sarah Connor until she crushes the damn thing in a hydraulic press. In T4, a Terminator is KILLED WITH BULLETS. Did McG even WATCH any of the Terminator movies? It kind of makes the whole first film anticlimactic if a Terminator can be killed with plain old, regular bullets, doesn't it?

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* Near the beginning of T4, ''T4'', a crawling Terminator skeleton is killed with plain old, regular machine-gun fire. One of the heroes (Connor, Reese or Marcus, I can't remember who) simply fires enough bullets into the Terminator endoskeleton, and it stops moving. Um, HELLO? Wasn't the whole POINT of the first movie about how damn near impossible it is to kill a Terminator? You know, "That thing out there, it can't be reasoned with. It feels no pain, no emotion, and it won't stop until you are dead". They blow the thing up TWICE, and even after that, the remnants of the skeleton continue to chase after Sarah Connor until she crushes the damn thing in a hydraulic press. In T4, ''T4'', a Terminator is KILLED WITH BULLETS. Did McG [=McG=] even WATCH any of the Terminator movies? It kind of makes the whole first film anticlimactic if a Terminator can be killed with plain old, regular bullets, doesn't it?



*** Really, it's far from impossible to take down a Terminator with standard firearms. If you can find a weakpoint (joints in the limbs, eye sockets, etc.), a well aimed small-caliber bullet ought to be able to do some considerable damage. Heck, in Salvation Reese was able to disable one by jamming a knife in the back of its neck. It didn't ''kill'' the thing, but it shows that even something as simple as a hunk of sharpened metal can be used against them. The difficulty of fighting Terminators is the same as it is fighting zombies: All the ways we're ''used'' to killing things just don't work, so you have to figure out new ways.
** It's worth noting that in the first three movies, the humans armed with firearms were dealing with Terminators that they generally had never fought before (exception being Sarah Connor), and are generally police officers. The humans in T4 are trained, well-armed military, and have been fighting Terminators for at least a decade. The idea that they ''haven't'' adapted to the Terminators and haven't started fielding high-caliber firearms with rounds capable of penetrating their armor (especially when they've got the resources to maintain a fleet of A-10 Warthogs, Black Hawks, and a freaking ''submarine'') is simply absurd. The humans are simply adapting to their enemies' capabilities, which is normal and expected in a time of war.
*** Agreed. In T1 it's strongly implied that the soldiers of Reese's time had methods and weaponry with which to take out a Terminator -- in one of Reese's flashback scenes they damn well charge in with hand weapons, which presumably they wouldn't do if the weapons were ineffective at stopping Terminators. When asked by Sarah Connor if Kyle can stop the Terminator, his reply is "I don't know. '''With these weapons''' ... I don't know."
*** That last line is particularly telling. There's some ambiguity there as to whether they can kill the Terminator with vanilla firearms. not an outright "no, we can't." Kyle thinks that there is ''some'' possibility that he can kill the Terminator with normal firearms; otherwise, he wouldn't have said "I don't know." It would have been a flat "No."
*** In T1 they also had those awesome plasma cannons that melted through Terminator armour. But yes, it's not implausible that they switched ordnance.
** The terminators from the beginning of Salvation were T-600s. A single T-800 shows up at the end, and it's every bit as indestructable as the ones from the other movies. The T-600s just had less advanced armor, that's all.

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*** Really, it's far from impossible to take down a Terminator with standard firearms. If you can find a weakpoint (joints in the limbs, eye sockets, etc.), a well aimed small-caliber bullet ought to be able to do some considerable damage. Heck, in Salvation ''Salvation'' Reese was able to disable one by jamming a knife in the back of its neck. It didn't ''kill'' the thing, but it shows that even something as simple as a hunk of sharpened metal can be used against them. The difficulty of fighting Terminators is the same as it is fighting zombies: All the ways we're ''used'' to killing things just don't work, so you have to figure out new ways.
** It's worth noting that in the first three movies, the humans armed with firearms were dealing with Terminators that they generally had never fought before (exception being Sarah Connor), and are generally police officers. The humans in T4 ''T4'' are trained, well-armed military, and have been fighting Terminators for at least a decade. The idea that they ''haven't'' adapted to the Terminators and haven't started fielding high-caliber firearms with rounds capable of penetrating their armor (especially when they've got the resources to maintain a fleet of A-10 Warthogs, Black Hawks, and a freaking ''submarine'') is simply absurd. The humans are simply adapting to their enemies' capabilities, which is normal and expected in a time of war.
*** Agreed. In T1 ''T1'' it's strongly implied that the soldiers of Reese's time had methods and weaponry with which to take out a Terminator -- in one of Reese's flashback scenes they damn well charge in with hand weapons, which presumably they wouldn't do if the weapons were ineffective at stopping Terminators. When asked by Sarah Connor if Kyle can stop the Terminator, his reply is "I don't know. '''With these weapons''' ... I don't know."
*** That last line is particularly telling. There's some ambiguity there as to whether they can kill the Terminator with vanilla firearms. not Not an outright "no, we can't." Kyle thinks that there is ''some'' possibility that he can kill the Terminator with normal firearms; otherwise, he wouldn't have said "I don't know." It would have been a flat "No."
*** In T1 ''T1'' they also had those awesome plasma cannons that melted through Terminator armour.armor. But yes, it's not implausible that they switched ordnance.
** The terminators from the beginning of Salvation were T-600s. A single T-800 shows up at the end, and it's every bit as indestructable indestructible as the ones from the other movies. The T-600s just had less advanced armor, that's all.



* Also, in Salvation, HOW is there still a Cyberdyne Systems? They blow up Cyberdyne in T2, and it's established in T3 that the military ends up creating Skynet, not Cyberdyne. Unless Salvation is in a different timeline.

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* Also, in Salvation, ''Salvation'', HOW is there still a Cyberdyne Systems? They blow up Cyberdyne in T2, and it's established in T3 that the military ends up creating Skynet, not Cyberdyne. Unless Salvation is in a different timeline.



** More of a sequel, since it's not the same timeline that Kyle came from in T1 thanks to the change in T2.

* Two things REALLY bugged me about Salvation. 1) How was it possible that during the first nuclear blast, Connor's helicopter crashed after being hit by the EMP, but during the 2nd nuclear blast, the helicopter flew away without a problem? Does McG not understand how this contradicts itself, for how nukes work? Also, 2) did McG even watch T2? At the end of the movie, both terminators were destroyed by molten steel, but in Salvation, the T-800 has molten steel dumped on it and this doesn't cause ANY damage. None, whatsoever.

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** More of a sequel, since it's not the same timeline that Kyle came from in T1 ''T1'' thanks to the change in T2.

''T2''.

* Two things REALLY bugged me about Salvation. 1) How was it possible that during the first nuclear blast, Connor's helicopter crashed after being hit by the EMP, but during the 2nd nuclear blast, the helicopter flew away without a problem? Does McG [=McG=] not understand how this contradicts itself, for how nukes work? Also, 2) did McG [=McG=] even watch T2? ''T2''? At the end of the movie, both terminators were destroyed by molten steel, but in Salvation, the T-800 has molten steel dumped on it and this doesn't cause ANY damage. None, whatsoever.



*** To clarify: having some rapidly-cooling molten metal poured over you for a few seconds is not going to do the same kind of damage as being fully immersed in molten metal for a prolonged period. Note that the T-800 in T2 was still working and functional for a comparatively long time - several seconds - even ''after'' it was immersed. There's also the possibility that Skynet may have up-armored the Terminators it's using in this timeline if it has knowledge provided from previous timelines; there's a reason why the Terminators in ''SCC'' are using coltan alloy to strengthen their body structures against melting.

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*** To clarify: having some rapidly-cooling molten metal poured over you for a few seconds is not going to do the same kind of damage as being fully immersed in molten metal for a prolonged period. Note that the T-800 in T2 ''T2'' was still working and functional for a comparatively long time - -- several seconds - -- even ''after'' it was immersed. There's also the possibility that Skynet may have up-armored the Terminators it's using in this timeline if it has knowledge provided from previous timelines; there's a reason why the Terminators in ''SCC'' are using coltan alloy to strengthen their body structures against melting.



* In ''T4,'' where does the Resistance get the infrastructure/fuel needed to fly Ospreys, Hueys and Warthogs...ah, stuff it -- I admit [[RuleOfCool I enjoyed]] seeing something bigger than hand weapons being used for once. More to the point is the annoying habit the Resistance has of [[{{Exposition}} openly discussing their plans]] on the radio. Presumably they're using scrambled communications, but would they really take the chance an artificial intelligence couldn't crack it?

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* In ''T4,'' where does the Resistance get the infrastructure/fuel needed to fly Ospreys, Hueys and Warthogs... ah, stuff it -- I admit [[RuleOfCool I enjoyed]] seeing something bigger than hand weapons being used for once. More to the point is the annoying habit the Resistance has of [[{{Exposition}} openly discussing their plans]] on the radio. Presumably they're using scrambled communications, but would they really take the chance an artificial intelligence couldn't crack it?



** Also, the fuel is {{Handwaved}} as being from biofuels developed since Judgment Day. It's been canon since T1 that a lot of scientists and engineers survived to fight the war.
** The moment you realize that all of the TimeTravel has actually been one long game of XanatosSpeedChess between John Connor and Skynet. Connor is trying to keep the timeline the exact same (which includes lying to his own mother in order to keep the date of Judgment Day stable) and Skynet is doing everything it can to change it.

* The cameo from a young-looking Arnie in Salvation was a nice moment in the cinema... but unfortunately it kind of implies that SkyNet is manufacturing hundreds and hundreds of ''identical'' terminators. Which, uh, gravely undermines the value of disguising them in the first place. Unless SkyNet has a ''separate'' factory cranking out hundreds of spectacles, fake beards, etc... or they program the terminators with a "Oh, no, I get that all the time, I just ''look'' like the implacable killing machine guy, that's all" subroutine.

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** Also, the fuel is {{Handwaved}} as being from biofuels developed since Judgment Day. It's been canon since T1 ''T1'' that a lot of scientists and engineers survived to fight the war.
** The moment you realize that all of the TimeTravel has actually been one long game of XanatosSpeedChess between John Connor and Skynet. [=SkyNet=]. Connor is trying to keep the timeline the exact same (which includes lying to his own mother in order to keep the date of Judgment Day stable) and Skynet [=SkyNet=] is doing everything it can to change it.

* The cameo from a young-looking Arnie in Salvation ''Salvation'' was a nice moment in the cinema... but unfortunately it kind of implies that SkyNet [=SkyNet=] is manufacturing hundreds and hundreds of ''identical'' terminators. Which, uh, gravely undermines the value of disguising them in the first place. Unless SkyNet [=SkyNet=] has a ''separate'' factory cranking out hundreds of spectacles, fake beards, etc... or they program the terminators with a "Oh, no, I get that all the time, I just ''look'' like the implacable killing machine guy, that's all" subroutine.



*** Terminator 2 shows that once a mere T-800 gets his in-built inhibitors removed, it can quickly develop a dry sense of humor on his own. So it's entirely possible that Skynet, being a more sophisticated AI that has become self aware and has been active for several years, could understand and employ irony.
** I thought the idea that Skynet bulk-manufactured Arnie models was confirmed when three separate ones appeared in the past over the course of the three previous movies.
** Skynet probably has multiple templates it bases physical features on; SCC pretty much confirms that Skynet can manufacture a terminator's skin to look like whatever it wants, it just uses the same model's facial features for ease of construction. You don't need to get close enough for your facial features to be recognized to get the drop on a group of humans, and if your face is covered by a helmet/hat, cloth face-covering, and/or goggles, it would be hard to tell you've got one standardized face.

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*** Terminator 2 ''Terminator 2'' shows that once a mere T-800 gets his in-built inhibitors removed, it can quickly develop a dry sense of humor on his own. So it's entirely possible that Skynet, [=SkyNet=], being a more sophisticated AI that has become self aware and has been active for several years, could understand and employ irony.
** I thought the idea that Skynet [=SkyNet=] bulk-manufactured Arnie models was confirmed when three separate ones appeared in the past over the course of the three previous movies.
** Skynet [=SkyNet=] probably has multiple templates it bases physical features on; SCC pretty much confirms that Skynet [=SkyNet=] can manufacture a terminator's skin to look like whatever it wants, it just uses the same model's facial features for ease of construction. You don't need to get close enough for your facial features to be recognized to get the drop on a group of humans, and if your face is covered by a helmet/hat, cloth face-covering, and/or goggles, it would be hard to tell you've got one standardized face.



** Skynet wanted some of the soldiers attacking the lab to survive and send the fake signal so that they could locate the Resistance Headquarters. Of course, their plan relied on Command [[WhatAnIdiot broadcasting the signal from their sub, instead of an off-site transmitter]].

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** Skynet [=SkyNet=] wanted some of the soldiers attacking the lab to survive and send the fake signal so that they could locate the Resistance Headquarters. Of course, their plan relied on Command [[WhatAnIdiot broadcasting the signal from their sub, instead of an off-site transmitter]].



* Why was John only worried about Kyle getting blown in the work camp during Salvation?
** Go back and rewatch the first film. Who does John Conner send back to protect his mom? Kyle. And who ends up fathering John Conner? Kyle.
** John isn't certain that that particular Kyle's actions would result in the creation of his past self. but he's not certain it won't. He can't take that risk.
*** I understand that; but in the movie, it makes him seem like he was only interested in going to Skynet Central because Kyle was there and he just happened to rescue a bunch of people.

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* Why was John only worried about Kyle getting blown in the work camp during Salvation?
''Salvation''?
** Go back and rewatch the first film. Who does John Conner Connor send back to protect his mom? Kyle. And who ends up fathering John Conner? Kyle.
** John isn't certain that that particular Kyle's actions would result in the creation of his past self. but But he's not certain it won't. He can't take that risk.
*** I understand that; but in the movie, it makes him seem like he was only interested in going to Skynet [=SkyNet=] Central because Kyle was there and he just happened to rescue a bunch of people.



* Skynet had the opportunity to converse with John Conner during Salvation. I find it hard to believe that it couldn't have produced an image on a wall or have spoken to him over the loud speakers. I only mention this because these figures are supposed to be the leaders of both sides of the Human-Machine War and enemies across the fabric of time itself. Skynet can't even take a moment out of its time to gloat at its worst enemy?
** I don't think Skynet was given a "Gloat" function, or saw the need to develop one.

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* Skynet [=SkyNet=] had the opportunity to converse with John Conner during Salvation. I find it hard to believe that it couldn't have produced an image on a wall or have spoken to him over the loud speakers. I only mention this because these figures are supposed to be the leaders of both sides of the Human-Machine War and enemies across the fabric of time itself. Skynet can't even take a moment out of its time to gloat at its worst enemy?
** I don't think Skynet [=SkyNet=] was given a "Gloat" function, or saw the need to develop one.



*** Admittedly, Skynet gloating at John Connor would have made the movie more interesting. It is supposed to be "self aware", so why not give Skynet some personality?

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*** Admittedly, Skynet [=SkyNet=] gloating at John Connor would have made the movie more interesting. It is supposed to be "self aware", so why not give Skynet [=SkyNet=] some personality?



*** The Cold War had been over for a decade and a half by the time the bombs dropped in T3, and the end of that movie pretty clearly shows that they ''did not'' get to those bunkers--because John Conner is there, and they're not. Skynet had shut down most/all communication lines, that's a running plot thread in that movie.
*** Skynet would have to keep tabs on where the civilian leadership were presently located, it would be critical to its intended role. Even if it hadn't taken over all the communications, it would be extremely easy to launch American missiles at the American government (much less time to get to a bunker that way) and still have more than enough to incite a MAD response from Russia.

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*** The Cold War had been over for a decade and a half by the time the bombs dropped in T3, ''T3'', and the end of that movie pretty clearly shows that they ''did not'' get to those bunkers--because bunkers -- because John Conner Connor is there, and they're not. Skynet [=SkyNet=] had shut down most/all communication lines, that's a running plot thread in that movie.
*** Skynet [=SkyNet=] would have to keep tabs on where the civilian leadership were presently located, it would be critical to its intended role. Even if it hadn't taken over all the communications, it would be extremely easy to launch American missiles at the American government (much less time to get to a bunker that way) and still have more than enough to incite a MAD response from Russia.



* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs - not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.

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* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs - -- not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.


*** Terminator 2 shows that once a mere T-800 gets his in-built inhibitors removed, it can quickly develop a dry sense of humor on his own. So it's entirely possible that Skynet, being a more sophisticated AI that has become self aware and has been active for several years, could understand and employ irony.




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*** The very first Terminator we see in the original movie is not played by Schwarzenegger, so it's obvious that Skynet does have more than one template.


** Here is my problem : ''somehow'' (hate this word) Skynet know that there is some kind of link between Connor and Reese. Let's say he absolutely doesn't know anything more. He accurately predict that Connor will litteraly jump into its paws himself to save Reese. Now is the real problem: ''how exactly did Skynet get this knowledge in the first place ?'' As the movie begin, the only ones with a clue are John and Kate, thank to Sarah's tapes. I can't really think of a theory of an explaination that would allow Skynet to have only the tiniest bit of a microscopic hint that there may be a link between the BadAss that treaten its very existence and the kid in the middle of freaking nowhere, especially considering the whole time travel MindScrew, erasing of all records and post apocalyptic setting.

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** Here is my problem : ''somehow'' (hate this word) Skynet know that there is some kind of link between Connor and Reese. Let's say he absolutely doesn't know anything more. He accurately predict that Connor will litteraly jump into its paws himself to save Reese. Now is the real problem: ''how exactly did Skynet get this knowledge in the first place ?'' As the movie begin, the only ones with a clue are John and Kate, thank to Sarah's tapes. I can't really think of a theory of an explaination that would allow Skynet to have only the tiniest bit of a microscopic hint that there may be a link between the BadAss badass that treaten its very existence and the kid in the middle of freaking nowhere, especially considering the whole time travel MindScrew, erasing of all records and post apocalyptic setting.

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***If you're going by TSCC, John's blood type is ABNegative. So is Reese's.



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** Yes, JustHitHim


* When the T-800 encounters Connor near the end why does it bat him around instead of just snapping his neck? Is there a trope for this activity? Specifically one for powerful hand-to-hand combat characters who needlessly prolong their fights.

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* When the T-800 encounters Connor near the end why does it bat him around instead of just snapping his neck? Is there a trope for this activity? Specifically one for powerful hand-to-hand combat characters who needlessly prolong their fights.fights.

* Why was Marcus Wright allowed by the authorities to donate his body to science following his execution by the state? Many, if not all, prisons expressly prohibit their incarcerated to do so, making this a case of ArtisticLicenseLaw. One reason is that widespread infectious diseases in prison populations can lead to diseased organs - not a good choice for medical transplants or research. Another is one that applies to executed criminals. Methods of execution (electric chair, firing squad, lethal injection, hanging, etc) lead to the vital organs [[CaptainObvious being damaged or even outright destroyed]], making them completely unusable. That also raises more questions about how valuable Marcus would be after his execution, considering the state of his vital organs afterwards.

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