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** Oberhauser Sr. being an expert sportsman does not account for Oberhauser Jr. being a DiabolicalMastermind who leads and seemingly even founded the most sophisticated criminal enterprise the world has ever seen, despite having no indications of any connections or resources and being declared legally dead. Bond becoming a super-spy is one thing, especially since we roughly know the rest of his backstory and career, but it's more than a little bizarre how a psychopathic kid goes from "murder my father out of jealously" to "VisionaryVillain on verge of WorldDomination". Bond is just doing his job; Blofeld's backstory and motivations seem highly unusual and contradictory and are not really explained in any satisfying way.

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** Oberhauser Sr. being an expert sportsman does not account for Oberhauser Jr. being a DiabolicalMastermind who leads and seemingly even founded the most sophisticated criminal enterprise the world has ever seen, despite having no indications of any connections or resources and being declared legally dead. Bond becoming a super-spy is one thing, especially since we roughly know the rest of his backstory and career, but it's more than a little bizarre how a psychopathic kid goes from "murder my father out of jealously" to "VisionaryVillain on verge of WorldDomination".[[TakeOverTheWorld world domination]]". Bond is just doing his job; Blofeld's backstory and motivations seem highly unusual and contradictory and are not really explained in any satisfying way.

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*** I'll start working on it tomorrow then, see you in 20 years.


** If you watch that scene again, as he waits for Le Chiffre's convoy to arrive, Mr. White does seem mildly uneasy as he watches one of the children serving Obanno. Plus, there is a considerable difference between your employer representing an organization involved in human trafficking, and the company taking up the slave trade itself. On top of that, something about trying to connect with his family only to be distanced from them probably affected his views on the treatment of women and children.

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** If you watch that scene again, as he waits for Le Chiffre's convoy to arrive, Mr. White does seem mildly uneasy as he watches one of the children serving Obanno. Plus, there is a considerable difference between your employer representing an organization involved in human trafficking, and the company cutting out the middle man and taking up the slave trade itself. On top of that, something about trying to connect reconnect with his family only to be distanced from them probably affected his views on the treatment of women and children.



** Q had all the physical evidence on his computer that Blofeld was linked to Le Chiffre, Silva, and QUANTUM as a whole. He must've been able to find even more incriminating evidence that detailed SPECTRE'S hierarchy, since M was also ready to arrest C for his connections to SPECTRE. And I guess he's not being taken to a hospital because M can tell that his injuries aren't serious. As for Bond, since Q had him being tracked by the Smart Blood program the entire time he was rogue, then there's no argument that M16 still holds full responsibility for the crimes he may be indicted of throughout the movie, since he was technically under their radar the entire time.

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** Q had all the physical evidence on his computer that Blofeld was linked to Le Chiffre, Silva, and QUANTUM as a whole. He must've been able to find even more incriminating evidence that detailed SPECTRE'S hierarchy, since M was also ready to arrest C for his connections to SPECTRE. And I guess he's not being taken to a hospital because M can tell that his injuries aren't serious. As for Bond, since Q had him being tracked by the Smart Blood program the entire time he was rogue, then there's no argument that M16 MI6 still holds full responsibility for the crimes he may be indicted of throughout the movie, since he was technically under their radar the entire time.



** Q says to Bond, "And it seems they were all part of one organization. Le Chiffre, Quantum, Sciarra, your friend Mr. Silva." So in context it sounds like he's saying that Quantum itself was part of a larger organization from the outset. So it appears that Quantum was essentially a subsidiary of Spectre the whole time.

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** Q says to Bond, "And it seems they were all part of one organization. Le Chiffre, Quantum, Sciarra, your friend Mr. Silva." So in context it sounds like he's saying that Quantum itself was part of a larger organization from the outset. So it appears that Quantum was essentially a subsidiary of Spectre the whole time. One could argue Spectre was designed this way because they wanted to insulate themselves heavily from the guys who do his dirty work.



** The meeting may not have been just to select Sciarra's replacement; they were talking about their other ongoing business before Blofeld showed up. Replacing him could have just been a last-minute addition to the agenda. And maybe Spectre regularly meets in that location, like a Rotary Club. Since Lucia lived with her husband for years, she probably picked up on when and where he went for those meetings. Given how large and powerful Spectre appears to be, they could probably afford to keep their operations a secret.

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** The meeting may not have been just to select Sciarra's replacement; they replacement. They were talking about their other ongoing business before Blofeld showed up. Replacing him could have just been a last-minute addition to the agenda. And maybe Spectre regularly meets in that location, like a Rotary Club. Since Lucia lived with her husband for years, she probably picked up on when and where he went for those meetings. Given how large and powerful Spectre appears to be, they could probably afford to keep their operations a secret.


** Or the implication could be that the last third of the film is simply Bond's dying delusion having had his brain fatally damaged during the torture session; and he is simply living out his own fantasy of how his MI6 career ends a la [[spoiler:Brazil]].
*** It clearly is not, and that "interpretation" is almost always utter nonsense
*** Since Daniel Craig's status as Bond and thus the Craig-era of Bond is very much up for debate at this point (and was even more up in the air at the time Spectre was being produced; since Daniel Craig himself has said that he doesn't want to do any more of them and potential replacements are already being touted in the form of Idris Elba and Damien Lewis) - the writers may have left that possibility in there for those viewers who enjoyed the different direction that the Craig-era Bond films had taken up to this point as opposed to the return to the old-style over the top style Bond that this film otherwise represents; and so perhaps they wrote this scene with that in mind in case this is the final one of the Craig era. There's no way that they'd be allowed by a studio to actually have a James Bond film end in that dark a fashion overtly; but they might be able to sneak in the possibility of that interpretation for those that preferred the darker, more serious direction that the series had up until now - something of an effort to appeal to both sides of the fan base in that sense perhaps.
** They didn't need any of that "dying dream" nonsense to switch actors before, and they don't need it now. The whole idea is just a particularly virulent {{Epileptic Tree}}s that keeps getting suggested in an attempt to be edgy or artsy and, to my knowledge, has never been true when a work hasn't explicitly said so.
*** They don't 'need it to change actors'; more that they left that potential interpretation open for the audience to take if they wanted to, maybe as a potential viewpoint for those in the audience who weren't looking for the series to leap back to the silliness of the Bond films of yore. In Casino Royale we see Bond becoming 007 and essentially rebooting the entire timeline. The following two films maintain that tone (with varying degrees of success) and then Spectre jumps straight back into the silliness of those days; but mostly from the torture scene onwards. For many that seems to have made it a really enjoyable film, but there's surely no denying that after the last three films and the tone that they set, this was at least an unexpected if not somewhat jarring slide backwards. So either they suddenly got extremely lazy, or they decided to throw out all that they've done with Craig's Bond up to now and just have fun writing a goofy but fun script full of silly but acceptable in context breaks from any sort of reality, or you can take the view that they decided to change the tone to that silliness for mass appeal whilst allowing for a possibility of interpreting it another, admittedly somewhat cliched, way; that nonetheless is more in keeping with the Craig series up to this point. Seems like there's no way that the writers and the director didn't see the possibility of it being interpreted in that way whilst writing it, because it is a screamingly obvious potential interpretation even if you're just joking about it being 'all a dream' and yet they still wrote the scene that way and included it in the movie; with the majority of the really silly and convenient events occurring after that point (One-shot pistol-bullet base-kills for instance). They even wrote [[spoiler:Blofeld]]'s dialogue during the scene to all centre on how a person can be 'gone' after having their brain damaged and then they specifically choose a method of torture which involves probing and intentionally damaging his brain and then after that it's a fairytale Bond-saves-the-day story; with him even finding love and riding off into the sunset. They could have easily written more realistic yet still ludicrously convenient ways of achieving everything that happens after that point without slowing the pace much or at all and yet again; they didn't. I would guess in that sense that the openness of that interpretation still very much hinges on whether or not Craig returns for another film or not. It's not that this interpretation is intended to be 'canon' necessarily; but again, it seems patently obvious that they must have been aware of the potential for that interpretation from the audience and yet they didn't do anything to tidy it up and in fact the film gets markedly sillier after that point.
** Honestly, major production studios do not put that much work or thought into something just to "justify" an alternate, {{Epileptic Tree|s}} interpretation of the story that a minority of their fanbase ''might'' come up with. And that's really all it is, just like every single other dying-dream "interpretation" of something that is never once hinted at in the canon. They write the story, and they ''do not care'' if you think it got a little too silly at the end.
** Yeah, granted it's very likely the studio and production as a whole take that approach. Seems like the mood was just so jarring relative to the others though and that darker tone was an intentional and much talked about and even hyped feature of this newer series that it was an odd choice to move back to the whackiness. It's certainly not the 'canon' choice; face value is clearly the way the plot progresses primarily, but if the writers were made by the studio to conform to a silly classic-bond style of plot then at the very least they left a gap for that potential interpretation. On the whole, yes, almost certainly the film was just lazily put together with plenty of action fanservice and too-convenient wrapping up of the plot, but there's still an argument that the writers allowed for a gap there into which this interpretation may fall. Although yes, it's possible that this interpretation comes out of bitterness about wanting the film to just be better overall...



* OK, so the idea that Spectre has been behind everything terrible happening in the Daniel Craig era of movies. Unlike a certain critic I think this makes sense for Casino Royale ("We're trying to figure out how an entire network of terrorist groups is financed and you give us one bomb maker"; well, now we've found the network of terrorist groups) but it doesn't fit nearly as well for Skyfall. Silva's whole schtick was that he's pissed at M and he's perfectly willing to let Bond die in the process of getting his revenge. If we accept that Silva got help from Spectre, wouldn't the "willing to let Bond die" part sorta run contrary to [[spoiler:Blofeld]]'s long-running plan? I mean, [[spoiler:Blofeld]] claims he's been specifically targeting the Bond girls just to fuck with Bond, it's pretty clear he wanted Bond alive for the time being.

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* OK, so the idea that Spectre has been behind everything terrible happening in the Daniel Craig era of movies. Unlike a certain critic I think this makes sense for Casino Royale Le Chiffre and his operation ("We're trying to figure out how an entire network of terrorist groups is financed and you give us one bomb maker"; well, now we've found the network of terrorist groups) but it doesn't fit nearly as well for Skyfall.Silva. Silva's whole schtick was that he's pissed at M and he's perfectly willing to let Bond die in the process of getting his revenge. If we accept that Silva got help from Spectre, wouldn't the "willing to let Bond die" part sorta run contrary to [[spoiler:Blofeld]]'s long-running plan? I mean, [[spoiler:Blofeld]] claims he's been specifically targeting the Bond girls just to fuck with Bond, it's pretty clear he wanted Bond alive for the time being.



** Not really. His henchmen spend a good chunk of ''this'' movie trying to kill Bond too, after all. And he wasn't really responsible for the death of Vesper Lynd either (nor could he have predicted the two would fall in love), and the death of M served his purpose as embarrassing [=MI6=] enough that his man C could take it over. Basically he is just screwing with Bond- he is indirectly responsible for their deaths, but he never killed them just to screw Bond over. His actual evil plan has nothing to do with Bond, and he probably didn't care ''that'' much if Silva or someone else killed him. SPECTRE benefitted immensely from the actions of Silva, so it's easy to believe that Oberhauser just told him to carry out an EvilPlan and threw in revenge on M as a bonus (which admittedly does have the added advantage of hurting Bond by proxy, but compared to his larger goal, that is incidental, if a bonus for him too).
** The SPECTRE-Skyfall connection really isn't so absurd as most people like to try and make it out to be. As with Casino Royale, details of a potentially bigger plot are alluded to - we're told that Silva turned rogue even before M sold him out; it seems as though MI6 were convinced Silva died in captivity (since M says his real name is on a memorial); even genius hacker cyber-terrorists don't just go from being half-dead in Chinese spy prisons to having all the resources we see Silva with without ''some'' kind of help from someone else. Why can't that someone else be SPECTRE? And the whole "[[spoiler:Blofeld]] wants Bond alive" thing is something that's more fanon-summation than anything explicitly said. If anything, he implies that Bond wasn't even on his radar at least until ''after'' the events of Casino Royale. Overall, it seems to be less of a "I want you to suffer above everything else" deal and more of a "I have my own stuff to get done and if I somehow get to hurt you in the process, all the better" deal.

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** Not really. His Blofeld's henchmen spend a good chunk of ''this'' movie trying to kill Bond too, after all. And he wasn't really responsible for the death of Vesper Lynd either (nor could he have predicted the two would fall in love), and the death of M served his purpose as embarrassing [=MI6=] enough that his man C could take it over. Basically he is just screwing with Bond- he is indirectly responsible for their deaths, but he never killed them just to screw Bond over. His actual evil plan scheme has nothing to do with Bond, and he probably didn't care ''that'' much if Silva or someone else killed him. SPECTRE benefitted benefited immensely from the actions of Silva, so it's easy to believe that Oberhauser Blofeld just told him to carry out an EvilPlan and threw in revenge on M as a bonus (which admittedly does have the added advantage of hurting Bond by proxy, but compared to his larger goal, that is incidental, if a bonus for him too).
** The SPECTRE-Skyfall connection really isn't so absurd as most people like to try and make it out to be. As with Casino Royale, details of ''Casino Royale'', there are hints foreshadowing a potentially bigger plot are alluded to - we're told plot. Namely, M mentions that Silva turned rogue even before M she sold him out; it seems as though MI6 were convinced Silva died in captivity (since M says his real name is on a memorial); the memorial wall); even a genius hacker cyber-terrorists don't cyber-terrorist can't just go from being half-dead in Chinese spy prisons to having all the resources we see Silva with without ''some'' kind of help from someone else. Why can't that someone else be SPECTRE? And the whole "[[spoiler:Blofeld]] wants Bond alive" thing is something that's more fanon-summation than anything explicitly said. If anything, he implies that Bond wasn't even on his radar at least until ''after'' the events of Casino Royale. Overall, it seems to be less of a "I want you to suffer above everything else" deal and more of a "I have my own stuff to get done and if I somehow get to hurt you in the process, all the better" deal.



*** On a second viewing, you see Q pull Sciarra's fingerprints, which brings him the file on Sciarra, specifically his toxicology report. It's only after he notices that it matches Le Chiffre, Silva etc.'s toxicology reports does he inform Bond of the connection. What exactly he found isn't made clear, just that they share a unique connection that let's Bond and Madeline fill in the blanks.
** It's quick, but Q found traces of a mineral called reidite on the ring (which is only found from meteorite craters). His screen shows that reidite was found in Sciarra's toxicology report from his autopsy AND the mineral was found in Le Chiffre's, Greene's, and Silva's, too. This means that they each wore a ring containing reidite, not that they each wore this one ring at different times.

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*** On a second viewing, you see Q pull Sciarra's fingerprints, which brings him the file on Sciarra, specifically his toxicology report. It's only after he notices that it matches Le Chiffre, Silva etc.'s toxicology reports does he inform Bond of the connection. What exactly he found isn't made clear, just that they share a unique connection that let's lets Bond and Madeline fill in the blanks.
** It's quick, but Q found traces of a mineral called reidite on the ring (which is only found from meteorite craters). His screen shows that reidite was found in Sciarra's toxicology report from his autopsy AND the mineral was found in the autopsy reports for Le Chiffre's, Greene's, Chiffre, Greene, and Silva's, Silva, too. This means that they each wore a ring containing reidite, not that they each wore this one ring at different times.



*** Presumably this came up as standard procedure by whichever medical examiners autopsied them.



** It's entirely possible M was conducting missions on the side observing Sciarra and trying to figure out his agenda, and maybe even sending other agents to try to apprehend him, all ending in failure. Thus, she prepared her video will to Bond as a last resort, in case she died before her investigation could go anywhere and she had only him to trust with getting the job done (and as stated above, she knows Bond well enough that asking him to interrogate Sciarra before killing him would be a waste of breath).

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** It's entirely possible M was conducting missions on off the side books observing Sciarra and trying to figure out his agenda, and maybe even sending other agents to try to apprehend him, all ending in failure. Thus, she prepared her video will to Bond as a last resort, in case she died before her investigation could go anywhere and she had only him to trust with getting the job done (and as stated above, she knows Bond well enough that asking him to interrogate Sciarra before killing him would be a waste of breath).



** It's possible (and kind of funny if true) that Hinx was on the same train by sheer coincidence and only attacked Bond because he saw him (imagine if he was about to sit down for dinner only to see the two of them sitting ''right there''; no wonder his first reaction is to kick their table). It's also possible that Hinx was simply tailing them on his own and Blofeld ordered no such thing; his mission was to get Dr Swann to find out what she knew, and he was still on that mission and may simply have been tailing them as part of that, without bothering to inform Blofeld of the temporary setback. More likely, Blofeld only decided to give Bond the grand tour after he more or less showed up as his doorstep and wouldn't have cared if he died earlier; if Bond ''really'' wants to see him ''that'' badly, and if he keeps surviving ''everything'' Blofeld throws at him, who is he to deny him? Especially if it will likely end with Blofeld humiliating and then torturing Bond to death.
*** Possible, but it also begs the question why Hinx decided to engage two armed and dangerous adversaries with only his bare hands and painted thumbnsils. He's not adverse to using firearms and he gets shot for his trouble and then distracted and killed.

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** It's possible (and kind of funny if true) that Hinx was on the same train by sheer coincidence and only attacked Bond because he saw him (imagine if he was about to sit down for dinner only to see the two of them sitting ''right there''; no wonder his first reaction is to kick their table). It's also possible that Hinx was simply tailing them on his own and Blofeld ordered no such thing; his mission was to get Dr Swann Madeline to find out what she knew, and he was still on that mission and may simply have been tailing them as part of that, without bothering to inform Blofeld of the temporary setback. More likely, Blofeld only decided to give Bond the grand tour after he more or less showed up as his doorstep and wouldn't have cared if he died earlier; if Bond ''really'' wants to see him ''that'' badly, and if he keeps surviving ''everything'' Blofeld throws at him, who is he to deny him? Especially if it will likely end with Blofeld humiliating and then torturing Bond to death.
*** Possible, but it also begs the question why Hinx decided to engage two armed and dangerous adversaries with only his bare hands and painted thumbnsils.thumbnails. He's not adverse to using firearms and he gets shot for his trouble and then distracted and killed.



** Bond is already sick and tired of being an assassin by the end of ''Casino Royale'' but decided to stay to resolve the issue with Vesper. After that, Bond tried retiring during ''Skyfall.'' Bond ''hates'' being an assassin in this continuity and only came back after the terrorist attack. Choosing to settle down with Madeline is just picking a partner for what was already his present life plan.[[/folder]]

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** Bond is already sick and tired of being an assassin by the end of ''Casino Royale'' but decided to stay to resolve the issue with Vesper. After that, Bond tried retiring during ''Skyfall.'' used the opening train fight in ''Skyfall'' to fake his death and live out a quiet life for six months until Silva took steps to put him back into action. Bond ''hates'' being an assassin in this continuity and only came back after the terrorist attack. Choosing to settle down with Madeline is just picking a partner for what was already his present life plan.[[/folder]]



** A lot of the Landed Gentry are chronicaly short on cash, often scraping by and barely able to maintain the upkeep on their lands and properties, there is a reason a lot of old Manors in Britain are called Stately Piles

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** A lot of the Landed Gentry are chronicaly chronically short on cash, often scraping by and barely able to maintain the upkeep on their lands and properties, there is a reason a lot of old Manors in Britain are called Stately PilesPiles.



* Mr. White claims that he got on SPECTRE's shit list due to his objections to the organization's dealings with "women and children"... despite White having been introduced in ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'' brokering a deal between Le Chiffre and the Lord's Resistance Army, a terrorist organization that makes heavy use of ChildSoldiers and child sex slavery. No wonder Bond immediately called BS.
** To be fair, Bond says Mr. White "grew a conscience." So, it's entirely possible SPECTRE just bothered him because it didn't act through intermediaries anymore but was involved in the darker elements of the trade anyway.
** If you look back on that scene, Mr. White does seem mildly uneasy as he watches one of the children serving Obanno. Plus, there is a considerable difference between your company representing an organization involved in human trafficking, and the company taking up the slave trade itself. On top of that, something about trying to connect with his family only to be distanced from them probably affected his views on the treatment of women and children.

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* Mr. White claims that he got on SPECTRE's shit list due to his objections to the organization's dealings with "women and children"... despite children". Mr. White having been was also introduced in ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'' brokering a deal between Le Chiffre and the Lord's Resistance Army, a terrorist organization that makes heavy use of ChildSoldiers and child sex slavery. No wonder Bond immediately called BS.
** To be fair, Bond says Mr. White "grew a conscience." So, it's entirely possible SPECTRE just bothered him because it didn't act through intermediaries anymore but was involved in the darker elements of the trade anyway.
** If you look back on watch that scene, scene again, as he waits for Le Chiffre's convoy to arrive, Mr. White does seem mildly uneasy as he watches one of the children serving Obanno. Plus, there is a considerable difference between your company employer representing an organization involved in human trafficking, and the company taking up the slave trade itself. On top of that, something about trying to connect with his family only to be distanced from them probably affected his views on the treatment of women and children.



** British Weather is very changeable, it is perfectly reasonable having it go from thick coat weather to shirtsleeves in a day (or an hour)

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** British Weather is very changeable, it is perfectly reasonable having it go from thick coat weather to shirtsleeves shortsleeves in a day (or an hour)


* How did the press find out that Bond was in Mexico City, leading Mallory to grill/ground Bond upon his return? In Casino Royale, M getting on Bond's case made sense, because he was in an embassy and his picture was taken on a security camera as he was assassinating somebody. In Mexico City, he was in a helicopter above the crowded square that was flying at a high speed and rolling all over the place. The chances of anybody getting a good picture of Bond in those condition is slim to none.[[/folder]]

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* How did the press find out that Bond was in Mexico City, leading Mallory to grill/ground Bond upon his return? In Casino Royale, M getting on Bond's case made sense, because he was in an embassy and his picture was taken on a security camera as he was assassinating somebody. In Mexico City, he was in a helicopter above the crowded square that was flying at a high speed and rolling all over the place. The chances of anybody getting a good picture of Bond in those condition is slim to none.none.
** Bond's never specifically mentioned in the articles M shows him. It's likely that he simply saw the news, realised that Bond was (presumably) the only agent unaccounted for at the time and put two and two together. Tanner kind of does the same later at the "Nine Eyes" vote when he sees the news about the Rome car chase. Let's face it, it's pretty well established that this kind of "international incident" will have Bond involved with it somewhere.
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*** Because the goons are following their training, and their training tells them to hood kidnappees[[/folder]]

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*** Because the goons are following their training, and their training tells them to hood kidnappees[[/folder]]kidnappees
** InUniverse RuleOfScary, maybe? Also, they probably thought a hood would make Bond less likely to attack them since...well, being deprived of sight (and thus naturally disorientated) normally puts one at a disadvantage in a fight. They just forgot they were dealing with James Bond. And they were probably going to remove the hood once they got him inside the building. All Bond basically did by freeing himself was to cut out the middle-men.[[/folder]]


** Oberhauser Sr. being an expert sportsman does not account for Oberhauser Jr. being a DiabolicalMastermind who leads and seemingly even founded the most sophisticated criminal enterprise the world has ever seen, despite having no indications of any connections or resources and being declared legally dead. Bond becoming a super-spy is one thing, especially since we roughly know the rest of his backstory and career, but it's more than a little bizarre how a psychopathic kid goes from "murder my father out of jealously" to "VisionaryVillain on verge of WorldDomination". Bond is just doing his job; Blofeld's backstory and motivations seem highly unusual and contradictory and are not really explained in any satisfying way.[[/folder]]

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** Oberhauser Sr. being an expert sportsman does not account for Oberhauser Jr. being a DiabolicalMastermind who leads and seemingly even founded the most sophisticated criminal enterprise the world has ever seen, despite having no indications of any connections or resources and being declared legally dead. Bond becoming a super-spy is one thing, especially since we roughly know the rest of his backstory and career, but it's more than a little bizarre how a psychopathic kid goes from "murder my father out of jealously" to "VisionaryVillain on verge of WorldDomination". Bond is just doing his job; Blofeld's backstory and motivations seem highly unusual and contradictory and are not really explained in any satisfying way.[[/folder]]way.
** Hardly "contradictory". In fact, Blofeld's backstory lines up with the typical kind of FreudianExcuse backstories given to villains in movies like this, especially ones with connections to the hero. We're given next to no information on the Oberhauser family beyond the fact that the father was apparently very athletic. It's entirely possible that the mother was more academic and Oberhauser Jr. took after her. Then there's the fact that some people ''are'' just born clever and if you couple that with a fundamentally unstable individual...well, things aren't going to end well. Clearly murder of family members for the most petty of reasons didn't faze him when he was a young man; why ''shouldn't'' a kid able to get away with that grow up to run a shady organisation that specialises in all the worst criminal activities?[[/folder]]


** Not really. His henchmen spend a good chunk of ''this'' movie trying to kill Bond too, after all. And he wasn't really responsible for the death of Vesper Lynd either (nor could he have predicted the two would fall in love), and the death of M served his purpose as embarrassing [=MI6=] enough that his man C could take it over. Basically he is just screwing with Bond- he is indirectly responsible for their deaths, but he never killed them just to screw Bond over. His actual evil plan has nothing to do with Bond, and he probably didn't care ''that'' much if Silva or someone else killed him. SPECTRE benefitted immensely from the actions of Silva, so it's easy to believe that Oberhauser just told him to carry out an EvilPlan and threw in revenge on M as a bonus (which admittedly does have the added advantage of hurting Bond by proxy, but compared to his larger goal, that is incidental, if a bonus for him too).[[/folder]]

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** Not really. His henchmen spend a good chunk of ''this'' movie trying to kill Bond too, after all. And he wasn't really responsible for the death of Vesper Lynd either (nor could he have predicted the two would fall in love), and the death of M served his purpose as embarrassing [=MI6=] enough that his man C could take it over. Basically he is just screwing with Bond- he is indirectly responsible for their deaths, but he never killed them just to screw Bond over. His actual evil plan has nothing to do with Bond, and he probably didn't care ''that'' much if Silva or someone else killed him. SPECTRE benefitted immensely from the actions of Silva, so it's easy to believe that Oberhauser just told him to carry out an EvilPlan and threw in revenge on M as a bonus (which admittedly does have the added advantage of hurting Bond by proxy, but compared to his larger goal, that is incidental, if a bonus for him too).too).
** The SPECTRE-Skyfall connection really isn't so absurd as most people like to try and make it out to be. As with Casino Royale, details of a potentially bigger plot are alluded to - we're told that Silva turned rogue even before M sold him out; it seems as though MI6 were convinced Silva died in captivity (since M says his real name is on a memorial); even genius hacker cyber-terrorists don't just go from being half-dead in Chinese spy prisons to having all the resources we see Silva with without ''some'' kind of help from someone else. Why can't that someone else be SPECTRE? And the whole "[[spoiler:Blofeld]] wants Bond alive" thing is something that's more fanon-summation than anything explicitly said. If anything, he implies that Bond wasn't even on his radar at least until ''after'' the events of Casino Royale. Overall, it seems to be less of a "I want you to suffer above everything else" deal and more of a "I have my own stuff to get done and if I somehow get to hurt you in the process, all the better" deal.
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** A lot of the Landed Gentry are chronicaly short on cash, often scraping by and barely able to maintain the upkeep on their lands and properties, there is a reason a lot of old Manors in Britain are called Stately Piles[[/folder]]

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** A lot of the Landed Gentry are chronicaly short on cash, often scraping by and barely able to maintain the upkeep on their lands and properties, there is a reason a lot of old Manors in Britain are called Stately Piles[[/folder]]Piles
** It's also possible that she doesn't know this and was just guessing. [[/folder]]


** Yeah, granted it's very likely the studio and production as a whole take that approach. Seems like the mood was just so jarring relative to the others though and that darker tone was an intentional and much talked about and even hyped feature of this newer series that it was an odd choice to move back to the whackiness. It's certainly not the 'canon' choice; face value is clearly the way the plot progresses primarily, but if the writers were made by the studio to conform to a silly classic-bond style of plot then at the very least they left a gap for that potential interpretation. On the whole, yes, almost certainly the film was just lazily put together with plenty of action fanservice and too-convenient wrapping up of the plot, but there's still an argument that the writers allowed for a gap there into which this interpretation may fall. Although yes, it's possible that this interpretation comes out of bitterness about wanting the film to just be better overall...[[/folder]]

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** Yeah, granted it's very likely the studio and production as a whole take that approach. Seems like the mood was just so jarring relative to the others though and that darker tone was an intentional and much talked about and even hyped feature of this newer series that it was an odd choice to move back to the whackiness. It's certainly not the 'canon' choice; face value is clearly the way the plot progresses primarily, but if the writers were made by the studio to conform to a silly classic-bond style of plot then at the very least they left a gap for that potential interpretation. On the whole, yes, almost certainly the film was just lazily put together with plenty of action fanservice and too-convenient wrapping up of the plot, but there's still an argument that the writers allowed for a gap there into which this interpretation may fall. Although yes, it's possible that this interpretation comes out of bitterness about wanting the film to just be better overall...[[/folder]]overall...
** As I recall, in the middle of the gunfight to escape the lair, he turns and gives her face a hard stare, as if assuring himself that he does in fact remember her. It's possible that the needle had a partial effect, enough to make her memory a bit blurry or require some jogging. At any rate, it's never explained one way or the other.
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** You gotta problem with FrankSinatra? Anyway, in ''Goldfinger'' Bond takes a swipe at ''Music/TheBeatles'' so I'm questioning his taste.

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** You gotta problem with FrankSinatra? Music/FrankSinatra? Anyway, in ''Goldfinger'' Bond takes a swipe at ''Music/TheBeatles'' so I'm questioning his taste.


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** Blofeld was present at the funeral, and evidently a couple of other SPECTRE agents as well. Perhaps Lucia happened to overhear them discussing the meeting.

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** Or you know, maybe they just have the heat in the car on.


** It's possible (and kind of funny if true) that Hinx was on the same train by sheer coincidence and only attacked Bond because he saw him (imagine if he was about to sit down for dinner only to see the two of them sitting ''right there''; no wonder his first reaction kick their table). It's also possible that Hinx was simply tailing them on his own and Blofeld ordered no such thing; his mission was to get Dr Swann to find out what she knew, and he was still on that mission and may simply have been tailing them as part of that, without bothering to inform Blofeld of the temporary setback. More likely, Blofeld only decided to give Bond the grand tour after he more or less showed up as his doorstep and wouldn't have cared if he died earlier; if Bond ''really'' wants to see him ''that'' badly, and if he keeps surviving ''everything'' Blofeld throws at him, who is he to deny him? Especially if it will likely end with Blofeld humiliating and then torturing Bond to death.

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** It's possible (and kind of funny if true) that Hinx was on the same train by sheer coincidence and only attacked Bond because he saw him (imagine if he was about to sit down for dinner only to see the two of them sitting ''right there''; no wonder his first reaction is to kick their table). It's also possible that Hinx was simply tailing them on his own and Blofeld ordered no such thing; his mission was to get Dr Swann to find out what she knew, and he was still on that mission and may simply have been tailing them as part of that, without bothering to inform Blofeld of the temporary setback. More likely, Blofeld only decided to give Bond the grand tour after he more or less showed up as his doorstep and wouldn't have cared if he died earlier; if Bond ''really'' wants to see him ''that'' badly, and if he keeps surviving ''everything'' Blofeld throws at him, who is he to deny him? Especially if it will likely end with Blofeld humiliating and then torturing Bond to death.



*** Hinx takes his sweet time trailing Bond and Swan. They had enough time to get wasted in a run down hotel and by a whole new wardrobe, including a tailored tuxedo.[[/folder]]

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*** Hinx takes his sweet time trailing Bond and Swan. They had enough time to get wasted in a run down hotel and by buy a whole new wardrobe, including a tailored tuxedo.[[/folder]]

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** Q says to Bond, "And it seems they were all part of one organization. Le Chiffre, Quantum, Sciarra, your friend Mr. Silva." So in context it sounds like he's saying that Quantum itself was part of a larger organization from the outset. So it appears that Quantum was essentially a subsidiary of Spectre the whole time.

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