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* Why in the world did Ravenna's forces wait to pour burning oil on the Resistance members until ''after'' the gates had been opened? If they'd done it while everyone was trapped outside, they would have won immediately.

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* Why in the world did Ravenna's forces wait to pour burning oil on the Resistance members until ''after'' the gates had been opened? If they'd done it while everyone was trapped outside, they would have won immediately.immediately.
** Because they didn't believe the army would actually get the gates open. The dwarves snuck in through the sewer and opened them. Ravenna's forces didn't know about the dwarves, so they saw the forces attacking at the gates and didn't think they'd ever get through. It's only when the gates open that they go OhCrap and realise the playing field has now been evened.


*** The spell seemed intended to give Ravenna power over men; there's nothing to indicate that her beauty is initially linked to her extended lifespan, though now they go together because Ravenna's lived for so long that her real beauty/youth is gone. It seemed as if the 'draining beauty' was just Ravenna's issues: She was stealing ''life'', and since she was beautiful when she was younger, regaining life through draining others made her beautiful again. She could have drained the scarred women, human soldiers, random peasants, ect, and it would have worked fine, but because Ravenna was focused on the idea of Beauty (having it, losing it, stealing it, keeping it), it never occurred to her.[[note]]Like Elizabeth Bathory, who only bathed in the blood of beautiful young woman; theoretically any blood would have helped, but since she believed the blood would transfer the girls' beauty to her, her psychoses insisted the "donors" be attractive to reflect her ideal.[[/note]]
* Theoretically, Ravenna has pulled her kingdom-stealing ploy more than once, has a bent on world domination, and [[spoiler: has lived for "twenty lifetimes."]] So how is it that she seems to have such a small range of influence? From the look of things, she's only got the one kingdom, and not a very big one at that, when she should have something more resembling TheEmpire. Granted, she could just be completely out of her mind and making things up.

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*** The spell seemed intended to give Ravenna power over men; there's nothing to indicate that her beauty is initially linked to her extended lifespan, though now they go together because Ravenna's lived for so long that her real beauty/youth is gone. It seemed as if the 'draining beauty' was just Ravenna's issues: She was stealing ''life'', and since she was beautiful when she was younger, regaining life through draining others made her beautiful again. She could have drained the scarred women, human soldiers, random peasants, ect, and it would have worked fine, but because Ravenna was focused on the idea of Beauty (having it, losing it, stealing it, keeping it), it never occurred to her.[[note]]Like Elizabeth Bathory, who only bathed in the blood of beautiful young woman; women; theoretically any blood would have helped, but since she believed the blood would transfer the girls' beauty to her, her psychoses insisted the "donors" be attractive to reflect her ideal.[[/note]]
* Theoretically, Ravenna has pulled her kingdom-stealing ploy more than once, has a bent on world domination, and [[spoiler: has [[spoiler:has lived for "twenty lifetimes."]] So how is it that she seems to have such a small range of influence? From the look of things, she's only got the one kingdom, and not a very big one at that, when she should have something more resembling TheEmpire. Granted, she could just be completely out of her mind and making things up.



*** But then why didn't she change her birth name? You'd think that after [[spoiler: almost a millenium]] of stories of an evil witch-seductress-queen named Ravenna that drains whole kingdoms, you'd think she would change her name. There's also the fact that Tabor falls into decline in a decade or LESS. In a world where no-one bats an eyelid at trolls and faeries, no-one thought that the sudden decline of the kingdom - under the ironfisted rule of an evil queen - was magic-related?

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*** But then why didn't she change her birth name? You'd think that after [[spoiler: almost [[spoiler:almost a millenium]] of stories of an evil witch-seductress-queen named Ravenna that drains whole kingdoms, you'd think she would change her name. There's also the fact that Tabor falls into decline in a decade or LESS. In a world where no-one bats an eyelid at trolls and faeries, no-one thought that the sudden decline of the kingdom - under the ironfisted rule of an evil queen - was magic-related?



* Ok... So is William Snow White's brother or not? I was under the impression that they were brother and sister, but she seemed all too eager to make out with him ([[spoiler: actually Ravenna in disguise]]) in the woods.

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* Ok... So is William Snow White's brother or not? I was under the impression that they were brother and sister, but she seemed all too eager to make out with him ([[spoiler: actually ([[spoiler:actually Ravenna in disguise]]) in the woods.


** Perhaps it is both inner and outer beauty? Or you could argue that it's all to do with Snow White's maturity. Of course a child has inner beauty, ChildrenAreInnocent after all. But once a child has been through some hell, not everyone will come out of it a good person. Perhaps Snow White reached the age where it was clear she wouldn't be broken by Ravenna's cruelty. Her EstablishingCharacterMoment is her praying in her cell and comforting another girl who is held prisoner. And maybe there could have been something to do with bravery? No other woman in the land was brave enough to challenge Ravenna.

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** Perhaps it is both inner and outer beauty? Or you could argue that it's all to do with Snow White's maturity. Of course a child has inner beauty, ChildrenAreInnocent after all. But once a child has been through some hell, not everyone will come out of it a good person. Perhaps Snow White reached the age where it was clear she wouldn't be broken by Ravenna's cruelty. Her EstablishingCharacterMoment is her praying in her cell and comforting another girl who is held prisoner. And maybe there could have been something to do with bravery? No other woman in the land was brave enough to challenge Ravenna.Ravenna.
* Why in the world did Ravenna's forces wait to pour burning oil on the Resistance members until ''after'' the gates had been opened? If they'd done it while everyone was trapped outside, they would have won immediately.


** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_stag White stags]] feature into a number of cultures' mythology and folklore. This scene seems to be lifted from ''PrincessMononoke''.

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** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_stag White stags]] feature into a number of cultures' mythology and folklore. This scene seems to be lifted from ''PrincessMononoke''.''Anime/PrincessMononoke''.

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*** If this were the case, the Mirror only points out how fair Snow White is when she "comes of age" so that would be the invisible line she'd have been waiting for at a minimum.


** Because her way of being "fair" is supplanted by Snow White's way, TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside. So, when one way gains more strength and influence over the people and land, the fairest in one weaker way loses her place, because the definition of fairest just changed. Or maybe she kept the powers from when she was innocent.

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** Because her way of being "fair" is supplanted by Snow White's way, TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside. So, when one way gains more strength and influence over the people and land, the fairest in one weaker way loses her place, because the definition of fairest just changed. Or maybe she kept the powers from when she was innocent.innocent.
** Perhaps it is both inner and outer beauty? Or you could argue that it's all to do with Snow White's maturity. Of course a child has inner beauty, ChildrenAreInnocent after all. But once a child has been through some hell, not everyone will come out of it a good person. Perhaps Snow White reached the age where it was clear she wouldn't be broken by Ravenna's cruelty. Her EstablishingCharacterMoment is her praying in her cell and comforting another girl who is held prisoner. And maybe there could have been something to do with bravery? No other woman in the land was brave enough to challenge Ravenna.


*** The spell seemed intended to give Ravenna power over men; there's nothing to indicate that her beauty is initially linked to her extended lifespan, though now they go together because Ravenna's lived for so long that her real beauty/youth is gone. It seemed as if the 'draining beauty' was just Ravenna's issues: She was stealing ''life'', and since she was beautiful when she was younger, regaining life through draining others made her beautiful again. She could have drained the scarred women, human soldiers, random peasants, ect, and it would have worked fine, but because Ravenna was focused on the idea of Beauty (having it, losing it, stealing it, keeping it), it never occurred to her. [[hottip:*: Like Elizabeth Bathory, who only bathed in the blood of beautiful young woman; theoretically any blood would have helped, but since she believed the blood would transfer the girls' beauty to her, her psychoses insisted the "donors" be attractive to reflect her ideal.]]

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*** The spell seemed intended to give Ravenna power over men; there's nothing to indicate that her beauty is initially linked to her extended lifespan, though now they go together because Ravenna's lived for so long that her real beauty/youth is gone. It seemed as if the 'draining beauty' was just Ravenna's issues: She was stealing ''life'', and since she was beautiful when she was younger, regaining life through draining others made her beautiful again. She could have drained the scarred women, human soldiers, random peasants, ect, and it would have worked fine, but because Ravenna was focused on the idea of Beauty (having it, losing it, stealing it, keeping it), it never occurred to her. [[hottip:*: Like [[note]]Like Elizabeth Bathory, who only bathed in the blood of beautiful young woman; theoretically any blood would have helped, but since she believed the blood would transfer the girls' beauty to her, her psychoses insisted the "donors" be attractive to reflect her ideal.]][[/note]]


* If Snow White's being "the fairest of them all" was due to her inner beauty… why was Ravenna in second place? Why was she ''ever'' in first place at all?

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* If Snow White's being "the fairest of them all" was due to her inner beauty… why was Ravenna in second place? Why was she ''ever'' in first place at all?all?
** Because her way of being "fair" is supplanted by Snow White's way, TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside. So, when one way gains more strength and influence over the people and land, the fairest in one weaker way loses her place, because the definition of fairest just changed. Or maybe she kept the powers from when she was innocent.


** So that her dress could get ripped later, obviously. Historically, women didn't start wearing trousers until the 20th century. Even if they were worried about her freezing to death, they would have thrown in some kind of shawl or ''maybe'' woolen stockings, so it's probably just an anachronism meant to emphasize the empowerment aspect.

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** So that her dress could get ripped later, obviously. Historically, women didn't start wearing trousers until the 20th century. Even if they were worried about her freezing to death, they would have thrown in some kind of shawl or ''maybe'' woolen stockings, so it's probably just an anachronism meant to emphasize the empowerment aspect.aspect.
* If Snow White's being "the fairest of them all" was due to her inner beauty… why was Ravenna in second place? Why was she ''ever'' in first place at all?

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** Fight? You call what she did knowing how to fight? She fought horrifically badly. Her swings were wild. She had no control there. She makes a foolhardy lunge at the queen at the start of her fight, which ends rather painfully and embarrassingly for her. Really, she's lucky to have come out of that very one-sided fight alive.


*** This Troper loves that scene for one reason: Jokingly, in her head, she saw the forest and thought 'I wonder if [[{{Bambi}} The Great Prince]] will show up?' Well, he was white instead of brown, but...

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*** This Troper loves that scene for one reason: Jokingly, in her head, she saw the forest and thought 'I wonder if [[{{Bambi}} [[Disney/{{Bambi}} The Great Prince]] will show up?' Well, he was white instead of brown, but...



** So that her dress could get ripped later, obviously. Historically, women didn't start wearing trousers until the 20th century. Even if they were worried about her freezing to death, they would have thrown in some kind of shawl or ''maybe'' woolen stockings, so it's probably just an anachronism meant to emphasize the empowerment aspect.

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** So that her dress could get ripped later, obviously. Historically, women didn't start wearing trousers until the 20th century. Even if they were worried about her freezing to death, they would have thrown in some kind of shawl or ''maybe'' woolen stockings, so it's probably just an anachronism meant to emphasize the empowerment aspect.

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** The extended edition has a scene after the introduction of the magic mirror, where Ravenna has the other survivors killed but allows Snow White to live, telling Finn "One never knows when royal blood may be of value." The feature commentary says she's sensing something in Snow White, some reason not to kill her.

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*** Given the amount of influence Finn seems to have over his sister, which is to say, none, he would probably have had to use the "future fairness snack"/"maximum fairness" idea anyway.

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** In his review, Spoony said he got the sense that it had to do with Finn's lust for Snow White, and that he somehow got Ravenna to keep her alive but imprisoned.


** OP here. Now that I think about it, bringing the Dark Forest and Sanctuary to fight would smack of Avatar, not to mention the Troll's possible vulnerability to sunlight. I noticed there was some sun when it and Snow White met, and it didn't even flinch---maybe it was one of those sunproof trolls, or it was a case of DidNotDoTheResearch.

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** OP here. Now that I think about it, bringing the Dark Forest and Sanctuary to fight would smack of Avatar, not to mention the Troll's possible vulnerability to sunlight. I noticed there was some sun when it and Snow White met, and it didn't even flinch---maybe it was one of those sunproof trolls, or it was a case of DidNotDoTheResearch.an honest mistake.

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