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*** America would be fucked, sure, but America isn't the whole world. There are US allies out there -- several of whom are also nuclear powers -- who are going to look a scenario with sleeper agents running around and America somehow nuking itself, decide that America probably wouldn't just nuke itself out of the blue one day, and conclude that responsibility might lie with one of America's enemies -- and Russia, in that sense, would be suspect number one. In short, nuking America might knock out America but it also potentially risks backfiring on Russia. Whereas framing America for an unprovoked attack on a third party carries less risk of backfiring on Moscow.
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* How in the world Evelyn Salt is captured by N. Koreans in the first place? I know she is holding back to the level of average CIA agents but isn't that average should be higher so they wouldn't be sniffed in the first place?

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* How in the world Evelyn Salt is captured by N. Koreans in the first place? I know she is holding back to the level of average CIA agents but isn't that average should be higher so they wouldn't be sniffed in the first place?place?
* In the beginning, they subject Orlov to brain scans in order to verify his story. Couldn't they have done the same to Salt?
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*** The US can, at any time, launch almost 2000 nuclear weapons (possibly more, I'm not sure I'm understanding the strategic stockpile and MIRVs correctly), each with 22 times the kilotonage of the larger bomb dropped in WW2. If our own arsenal were to be turned against us, it wouldn't necessarily kill every last single American, but it would probably render the country as an entity in no shape to be pointing fingers.

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*** The US can, at any time, launch almost 2000 nuclear weapons (possibly more, I'm not sure I'm understanding the strategic stockpile and MIRVs correctly), each with 22 times the kilotonage of the larger bomb dropped in WW2.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. If our own arsenal were to be turned against us, it wouldn't necessarily kill every last single American, but it would probably render the country as an entity in no shape to be pointing fingers.
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**** The US can, at any time, launch almost 2000 nuclear weapons (possibly more, I'm not sure I'm understanding the strategic stockpile and MIRVs correctly), each with 22 times the kilotonage of the larger bomb dropped in WW2. If our own arsenal were to be turned against us, it wouldn't necessarily kill every last single American, but it would probably render the country as an entity in no shape to be pointing fingers.
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** ''North Korea is in no ways communist just evil'' they put on a veneer of communism for propaganda to say to their citizens "we really do have your best interests at heart" while basically using them as surfs I think its entirely justified to show them as bad guys.

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** ''North Korea is in no ways communist just evil'' they put on a veneer of communism for propaganda to say to their citizens "we really do have your best interests at heart" while basically using them as surfs serfs I think its entirely justified to show them as bad guys.
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* What exactly did exposing Salt do in the first place? It didn't bring the US to Defcon 2 (which was necessary for the "Nuke the Middle East" plot), that was the assassination of the Russian President. Since that was due to the (apparently) unrelated death of the US Vice President, the assassination of the Russian President would have been easier to achieve if Salt hadn't been already under suspicion. Am I forgetting something?

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* What exactly did exposing Salt do in the first place? It didn't bring the US to Defcon 2 (which was necessary for the "Nuke the Middle East" plot), that was the assassination of the Russian President. Since that was due to the (apparently) unrelated death of the US Vice President, the assassination of the Russian President would have been easier to achieve if Salt hadn't been already under suspicion. Am I forgetting something?something?
* How in the world Evelyn Salt is captured by N. Koreans in the first place? I know she is holding back to the level of average CIA agents but isn't that average should be higher so they wouldn't be sniffed in the first place?
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*** NorthKorea as ProperlyParanoid? Uh oh.

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*** NorthKorea UsefulNotes/NorthKorea as ProperlyParanoid? Uh oh.
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What about NATO uniform? What Orlov actually meant when he talked about the other sleeper agent in NATO uniform was "uniform from a NATO member state". He considers Salt to be smart enough to figure out the rest.

* Is anyone else bugged by how ineffectual and impotent this movie makes the American government compared to the unstoppable Russians? The action and acting is all fine, yes, but it just comes off as a propoganda film for a war that ended twenty years ago. This is explained because it wasn't really the Russian government but one ex-government Russian who was still carrying out a plan from the Cold War that everyone else still in Russia had forgotten about.
* Why would the United States and Russia immediately go to war with each other? On the news reports that we see in the movie, Salt is identified as a terrorist, as in not working for the American government. So why would they go after the government? Knowing the world of current international relations, this Troper believes that the more likely solution would be that the two governments work together to hunt down the terrorist organisation responsible for the assassination attempts on the American and Russian presidents.

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* What about NATO uniform? What Orlov actually meant when he talked about the other sleeper agent in NATO uniform was "uniform from a NATO member state". He considers Salt to be smart enough to figure out the rest.

* Is anyone else bugged by how ineffectual and impotent this movie makes the American government compared to the unstoppable Russians? The action and acting is all fine, yes, but it just comes off as a propoganda propaganda film for a war that ended twenty years ago. This is explained because it wasn't really the Russian government but one ex-government Russian who was still carrying out a plan from the Cold War that everyone else still in Russia had forgotten about.
* Why would the United States and Russia immediately go to war with each other? On the news reports that we see in the movie, Salt is identified as a terrorist, as in not working for the American government. So why would they go after the government? Knowing the world of current international relations, this Troper I believes that the more likely solution would be that the two governments work together to hunt down the terrorist organisation responsible for the assassination attempts on the American and Russian presidents.



* Am I the only one who felt pained by the Hollywood Acceptable Targets? They attacked N. Korea, Russia, suggested all Communists are infaltrating American Government to kill the President and took a pot shot at the Middle East and Muslims. The only group they missed out were the Nazis (probally because they are completely incompatible with Communists) but still...

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* Am I the only one who felt pained by the Hollywood Acceptable Targets? They attacked N. Korea, Russia, suggested all Communists are infaltrating American Government to kill the President and took a pot shot at the Middle East and Muslims. The only group they missed out were the Nazis (probally (probably because they are completely incompatible with Communists) but still...



*** NorthKorea as ProperlyParanoid? [[UnfortunateImplications Uh oh]].

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*** NorthKorea as ProperlyParanoid? [[UnfortunateImplications Uh oh]].oh.
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** The CIA probably isn't going to be ''allowed'' to go into Russia and start murdering high Russian officials, regardless of what they've done in the US. Salt, on the other hand, could go on a chainsaw murder rampage in Red Square and the US government can just stand there and go "Hey man, can't blame us, ''you'' trained that lunatic". Plus, he might figure that he can learn a lot about the threat just by standing back and watching them come out of the woodwork after Salt -- in other words, using her as much as live bait as deniable asset.
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*** Um, and it would also make it significantly more believable for the US to blame Russia for this and completely destroy Russia's political and global standing whereas the US trying to blame another country for them attacking the Middle East would be much harder to believe.

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*** Um, and it would also make it significantly more believable for the US to blame Russia for this and completely destroy Russia's political and global standing whereas the US trying to blame another country for them attacking the Middle East would be much harder to believe.believe.
* What exactly did exposing Salt do in the first place? It didn't bring the US to Defcon 2 (which was necessary for the "Nuke the Middle East" plot), that was the assassination of the Russian President. Since that was due to the (apparently) unrelated death of the US Vice President, the assassination of the Russian President would have been easier to achieve if Salt hadn't been already under suspicion. Am I forgetting something?

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** Noyce called the Director's Cut his "own personal take on the material, free from the politics and restrictions of producers, studio or censorship ratings." Thus implying that some or all of those things vetoed the ending that wound up in the Director's Cut in favour of the theatrical one.

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** Noyce called the Director's Cut his "own personal take on the material, free from the politics and restrictions of producers, studio or censorship ratings." Thus implying that some or all of those things vetoed the ending that wound up in the Director's Cut in favour of the theatrical one. one.
* Why did the CIA/Secret Service guy free Salt at the end? Even if she wasn't EVIL, she was an admitted Soviet trained agent (she just had a change of heart)! Surely he ought to be more interested in learning all he can about the threat rather than letting her go free on the off chance she can uncover others in the programme. Granted, the only agent that managed to last more than a couple of seconds against her was another Russian agent, but it seems a massive gamble to expect she (unsupported and alone) can do what the entire apparatus of the US security services can't. I was really hoping that she'd turn out to really be a Russian agent after all and that she's just played him there, but no.

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Xanatos Roulette is no longer a trope name. It has been replaced by gambit roulette. Furthermore it is not a byword for \'clever plan\' or to be potholed to \'just as planned\'. That is a trope in and of itself


* Unless I understood it wrong, the villain's big plan was: A) nuke the Mecca, B) piss off the whole Arab world, and C) they will destroy the US in retaliation.... Sorry, what? How? Shit would obviously hit the fan and it certainly wouldn't be pretty, but the US ceasing to exist?
** The destruction of the US is not necessarily genocide. Best case scenario: the entire UN slaps the US with economic sanctions that cripple the country and knock it out of superpower status. Worst case scenario: NATO looks the other way, or actively participates, as any number of Muslims begin covert and overt warfare against the US. Either way, the American era is done for.

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* Unless I understood it wrong, the villain's big plan EvilPlan was: A) nuke the Mecca, B) piss off the whole Arab world, and C) they will destroy the US in retaliation.... Sorry, what? How? Shit would obviously hit the fan and it certainly wouldn't be pretty, but the US ceasing to exist?
** The destruction of the US is not necessarily genocide. Best case scenario: the entire UN slaps the US with economic sanctions that cripple the country and knock it out of superpower status. Worst case scenario: NATO looks the other way, or actively participates, as any number of Muslims begin covert and overt warfare against the US. Either way, the American era is done for.



What about NATO uniform?
* NATO Uniform?
** My guess is that what Orlov actually meant when he talked about the other sleeper agent in NATO uniform was "uniform from a NATO member state". He considers Salt to be smart enough to figure out the rest.
* This is probably just my small but alive sense of patriotism/nationalism here, but is anyone else bugged by how utterly ineffectual and impotent this movie makes the american government to be compared to the unstoppable XanatosRoulette master russians? The action and acting is all fine, yes, but it just comes off as a propoganda film for a war that ended twenty years ago.
** To be fair, it wasn't really the Russian government being XanatosRoulette masters, just one ex-government Russian who was still carrying out a plan from the Cold War that everyone else still in Russia had forgotten about.

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What about NATO uniform?
* NATO Uniform?
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