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** Real-world drone strikes kill innumerable civilians, also. Being physically removed from a situation leads to even human operators making "efficient" decisions rather than moral ones, which is what the Senator is arguing against in the first place. (Heck, currently-existing human officers have been leaning toward efficient decisions rather than moral ones, too, but let's not make this political.)
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** That's assuming it actually ''is'' a living hand, and not some robotic armature clad in Murphy's plastinated skin.
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** That's assuming it actually ''is'' a living hand, and not some robotic armature clad in Murphy's plastinated skin.skin for cosmetic purposes.
** That's assuming it actually ''is'' a living hand, and not some robotic armature clad in Murphy's plastinated skin.
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** His mouth and esaphogus are intact but lead nowhere. Where does the saliva and mucas he produces and swallows go?
** Having real lungs, nose/mouth, and (one real) eye is a safety hazard. He's susceptible to tear gas, pepper spray, and even airborne diseases. Even if they could filter out the pathogens during blood maintenance, do you really want to risk the initial stress on his already limited system? And it's kind of ridiculous to allow your otherwise superhuman cyborg to be able to get too choked with smoke to save someone from a burning building, or to be incapacitated by a goon with a gas grenade.
** Having real lungs, nose/mouth, and (one real) eye is a safety hazard. He's susceptible to tear gas, pepper spray, and even airborne diseases. Even if they could filter out the pathogens during blood maintenance, do you really want to risk the initial stress on his already limited system? And it's kind of ridiculous to allow your otherwise superhuman cyborg to be able to get too choked with smoke to save someone from a burning building, or to be incapacitated by a goon with a gas grenade.
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** His mouth and esaphogus esophagus are intact but lead nowhere. Where does the saliva and mucas mucus he produces and swallows go?
*** Probably an internal receptacle that'd need to be emptied and sanitized during his recharge time.
** Having real lungs, nose/mouth, and (one real) eye is a safety hazard. He's susceptible to tear gas, pepper spray, and even airborne diseases. Even if they could filter out the pathogens during blood maintenance, do you really want to risk the initial stress on his already limited system? And it's kind of ridiculous to allow your otherwise superhuman cyborg to be able to get too choked with smoke to save someone from a burning building, or to be incapacitated by a goon with a gasgrenade. grenade.
*** Why would he be incapacitated by gas? Remember, his artificial components take over when he's in combat mode. Even if his organic brain passes out or his living eye gets blinded, his robot parts will just keep on fighting and haul his fleshy bits along for the ride.
*** Probably an internal receptacle that'd need to be emptied and sanitized during his recharge time.
** Having real lungs, nose/mouth, and (one real) eye is a safety hazard. He's susceptible to tear gas, pepper spray, and even airborne diseases. Even if they could filter out the pathogens during blood maintenance, do you really want to risk the initial stress on his already limited system? And it's kind of ridiculous to allow your otherwise superhuman cyborg to be able to get too choked with smoke to save someone from a burning building, or to be incapacitated by a goon with a gas
*** Why would he be incapacitated by gas? Remember, his artificial components take over when he's in combat mode. Even if his organic brain passes out or his living eye gets blinded, his robot parts will just keep on fighting and haul his fleshy bits along for the ride.
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** They may also be skirting the boundaries of whatever the criteria for "legally dead" happen to be, in various jurisdictions where Omnicorp hopes to market Robocops. If one or more of those markets has "capable of breathing" on its list of qualities that formally distinguish someone as a living, autonomous human being, then making sure he can still do that can ensure Omnicorp's products won't be banned under laws that restrict the sale of human body parts.
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* The entire motivation behind developing this incarnation of Robocop was that the existing autonomous robots lacked human conscience and therefore couldn't make moral decisions on civilians' safety and such. While that's a very valid reason, why couldn't they just solve this issue with the same general principle we use with Predator drones today and make those high-tech combat robots remotely controlled (at least partially) by an operator sitting behind a console? They would still be physically the same robots with the exact same equipment, but the decision to open fire would actually belong to a human being who thinks like a human and makes human-like desicions (that's also the exact reason why today's flying drones aren't fully autonomous), which was the whole point after all. One could probably argue that a guy sitting comfortably in a room wouldn't have the same motivation to make the right decisions as someone who is physically out there in a danger zone, but this could probably be solved by making the operator fully liable, legally and financially, for all the harm potentially done to civilians (it works for everything else where human safety is concerned), or seeing how this world has a pretty liberal approach to civil rights, they could probably even hook the operator to some sort of electrodes that would mildly shock them for harming civilians, or something like that. Either way, it would be much easier, more practical and more reasonable than permanently fusing a human being into a robotic body they don't even have a full autonomy over and forcing them to live a life of a combat machine 24/7.
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* The entire motivation behind developing this incarnation of Robocop was that the existing autonomous robots lacked human conscience and therefore couldn't make moral decisions on civilians' safety and such. While that's a very valid reason, why couldn't they just solve this issue with the same general principle we use with Predator drones today and make those high-tech combat robots remotely controlled (at least partially) by an operator sitting behind a console? They would still be physically the same robots with the exact same equipment, but the decision to open fire would actually belong to a human being who thinks like a human and makes human-like desicions decisions (that's also the exact reason why today's flying drones aren't fully autonomous), which was the whole point after all. One could probably argue that a guy sitting comfortably in a room wouldn't have the same motivation to make the right decisions as someone who is physically out there in a danger zone, but this could probably be solved by making the operator fully liable, legally and financially, for all the harm potentially done to civilians (it works for everything else where human safety is concerned), or seeing how this world has a pretty liberal approach to civil rights, they could probably even hook the operator to some sort of electrodes that would mildly shock them for harming civilians, or something like that. Either way, it would be much easier, more practical and more reasonable than permanently fusing a human being into a robotic body they don't even have a full autonomy over and forcing them to live a life of a combat machine 24/7.24/7.
** Signals to drones can potentially be jammed or even hacked. [=OmniCorp=] would probably rather be liable for the rare incident where a robot screws up for a few seconds than risk being held accountable for the active subordination of their products to commit who-knows-what malicious acts.
** Signals to drones can potentially be jammed or even hacked. [=OmniCorp=] would probably rather be liable for the rare incident where a robot screws up for a few seconds than risk being held accountable for the active subordination of their products to commit who-knows-what malicious acts.
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** Most countries in the world are already using fully-robotic police. [=OmniCorp=] doesn't ''want'' Robocop to be ''better than'' their current product line; if he ''was'', it wouldn't make the US accept robots: it'd potentially make their existing customer-nations '''reject''' them because of debacles like the one in Iran. Of ''course'' the numbers [=OmniCorp=]'s tests come up with are going to make Murphy's performance look worse than it was.
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** They may also be skirting the boundaries of whatever the criteria for "legally dead" happen to be, in various jurisdictions where Omnicorp hopes to market Robocops. If one or more of those markets has "capable of breathing" on its list of qualities that formally distinguish someone as a living, autonomous human being, then making sure he can still do that can ensure Omnicorp's products won't be banned under laws that restrict the sale of human body parts.
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*** It's also ''a realistic approximation of what he can expect to face''. A gang's not gonna have ''all'' their members equipped with .50cal anti-materiel weapons that can take him out, but they could well have ''a single boss'' with such a powerful weapon. In which case the other gangsters, if well-organized, would indeed be trying to set him up for their boss to get a shot...
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*** It's also ''a realistic approximation of what he can expect to face''.face'' - and, indeed, [[spoiler: ''does'' later in the movie, during the drug lab assault scene]]. A gang's not gonna have ''all'' their members equipped with .50cal anti-materiel weapons that can take him out, out; they're going to have primarily lighter pistols and other small arms, but they could well have ''a single boss'' - or several heavy weapons guys - with such a powerful weapon. weapons. In which case the other gangsters, if well-organized, would indeed be trying to set him up for their boss boss/heavies to get a shot...
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[[folder: Why not just use remote-controlled drones?]]
* The entire motivation behind developing this incarnation of Robocop was that the existing autonomous robots lacked human conscience and therefore couldn't make moral decisions on civilians' safety and such. While that's a very valid reason, why couldn't they just solve this issue with the same general principle we use with Predator drones today and make those high-tech combat robots remotely controlled (at least partially) by an operator sitting behind a console? They would still be physically the same robots with the exact same equipment, but the decision to open fire would actually belong to a human being who thinks like a human and makes human-like desicions (that's also the exact reason why today's flying drones aren't fully autonomous), which was the whole point after all. One could probably argue that a guy sitting comfortably in a room wouldn't have the same motivation to make the right decisions as someone who is physically out there in a danger zone, but this could probably be solved by making the operator fully liable, legally and financially, for all the harm potentially done to civilians (it works for everything else where human safety is concerned), or seeing how this world has a pretty liberal approach to civil rights, they could probably even hook the operator to some sort of electrodes that would mildly shock them for harming civilians, or something like that. Either way, it would be much easier, more practical and more reasonable than permanently fusing a human being into a robotic body they don't even have a full autonomy over and forcing them to live a life of a combat machine 24/7.
[[folder: Why not just use remote-controlled drones?]]
* The entire motivation behind developing this incarnation of Robocop was that the existing autonomous robots lacked human conscience and therefore couldn't make moral decisions on civilians' safety and such. While that's a very valid reason, why couldn't they just solve this issue with the same general principle we use with Predator drones today and make those high-tech combat robots remotely controlled (at least partially) by an operator sitting behind a console? They would still be physically the same robots with the exact same equipment, but the decision to open fire would actually belong to a human being who thinks like a human and makes human-like desicions (that's also the exact reason why today's flying drones aren't fully autonomous), which was the whole point after all. One could probably argue that a guy sitting comfortably in a room wouldn't have the same motivation to make the right decisions as someone who is physically out there in a danger zone, but this could probably be solved by making the operator fully liable, legally and financially, for all the harm potentially done to civilians (it works for everything else where human safety is concerned), or seeing how this world has a pretty liberal approach to civil rights, they could probably even hook the operator to some sort of electrodes that would mildly shock them for harming civilians, or something like that. Either way, it would be much easier, more practical and more reasonable than permanently fusing a human being into a robotic body they don't even have a full autonomy over and forcing them to live a life of a combat machine 24/7.
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** I assumed that was showing OCP's hypocrisy at work. They need a product with conscience, so they do the bare minimum by adding human parts, but there's no way they'd ever give up a modicum of control over their new drone, so "product with a human conscience" becomes a tagline that's only true in the most technical sense.
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** Because as established earlier in the movie with the guitar player with the robotic hand, emotions interfere with programming. This is reinforced when his wife pleads with him to not forget his family, giving him the will to investigate his own murder. When Murphy faced Mattox, he wasn't emotional enough to overcome the red band programming. Even in the initial confrontation with Sellars, he couldn't overcome that block until Sellars threatened his family, giving him the emotional surge he needed to bypass that bit of programming.
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** They left the face intact for similar reasons they left the hand intact -- PR. Murphy had to appear human. The easiest way to do that is to leave his face human. Manufacturing a new face might make it less vulnerable, but then you're in the UncannyValley.
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** Mattox himself very obviously does not like Robocop and hasn't liked him from the start, probably seeing him as an adulteration of Mattox's machines. He wants to prove that a man-machine hybrid can't be better than his robots, and he knows how to hit Sellars in his pride in hopes of supporting his point.
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*** It's also ''a realistic approximation of what he can expect to face''. A gang's not gonna have ''all'' their members equipped with .50cal anti-materiel weapons that can take him out, but they could well have ''a single boss'' with such a powerful weapon. In which case the other gangsters, if well-organized, would indeed be trying to set him up for their boss to get a shot...
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*** Those efficiency scores seemed nonsensical, though. Murphy did everything right, shot everyone who needed to be shot, and saved the hostages, taking only a couple more seconds to do it than a combat robot. That's still 100% efficiency.
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* There are a couple headscratchers in the film about the OC security for me:
** They try to kill Dr. Norton for refusing to obey orders and subsequently entering Murphy's "home base" room -- as soon as Norton hits the door switch, they try to kill him on the spot. While I understand that they're being sent to kill Robocop, which in itself is probably testament to their moral character, they at least had the legal argument that they were being sent to destroy property and not a person. They have no similar excuse for Dr. Norton: his fleeing from them in order to try to save Robocop is definitely ''not'' justifiable use of lethal force. No matter how they tried to spin that, executing the head of OC's wetwire research team would ruin their own careers and probably blow the whole thing open for the rest of the company too -- falsifying the kind of evidence necessary to pin the crime on Norton would probably be impossible.
** Later on, they actually place the SWAT team under arrest for... what? Trespass? The SWAT is in full uniform and responding to a crime in progress. There is literally a firefight going on that the SWAT is trying to put a stop to -- for all the OC security know, they were sent to try to arrest Murphy in the first place. While the Security are backed by force, namely their Enforcement Drones, they otherwise have no legs to stand on and trying to arrest the SWAT would just land them all in jail on obstruction charges. (The line "You have no authorisation to be here!" was just silly, since they're standing in a room full of bullet holes that gives them that authorisation.) What exactly did they intend to do, kill four uniformed police officers? The door guards and the parkade/service-mall tunnel guards were played fairly accurately, but the ones who arrested the SWAT guys just didn't make any sense.
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* There are a couple headscratchers in the film about the OC security for me:
** They try to kill Dr. Norton for refusing to obey orders and subsequently entering Murphy's "home base" room -- as soon as Norton hits the door switch, they try to kill him on the spot. While I understand that they're being sent to kill Robocop, which in itself is probably testament to their moral character, they at least had the legal argument that they were being sent to destroy property and not a person. They have no similar excuse for Dr. Norton: his fleeing from them in order to try to save Robocop is definitely ''not'' justifiable use of lethal force. No matter how they tried to spin that, executing the head of OC's wetwire research team would ruin their own careers and probably blow the whole thing open for the rest of the company too -- falsifying the kind of evidence necessary to pin the crime on Norton would probably be impossible.
** Later on, they actually place the SWAT team under arrest for... what? Trespass? The SWAT is in full uniform and responding to a crime in progress. There is literally a firefight going on that the SWAT is trying to put a stop to -- for all the OC security know, they were sent to try to arrest Murphy in the first place. While the Security are backed by force, namely their Enforcement Drones, they otherwise have no legs to stand on and trying to arrest the SWAT would just land them all in jail on obstruction charges. (The line "You have no authorisation to be here!" was just silly, since they're standing in a room full of bullet holes that gives them that authorisation.) What exactly did they intend to do, kill four uniformed police officers? The door guards and the parkade/service-mall tunnel guards were played fairly accurately, but the ones who arrested the SWAT guys just didn't make any sense.
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