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* I have a related question: why did they wait until they were in the elevator, initiating the scan with a five-second time limit, ''before'' trying to put the lens in? Even if she hadn't dropped it, five seconds would not have been long enough to attach and scan it.


** Its a comedy don't get to worked up over the framing device.

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** Its It's a comedy comedy, don't get to worked up over the framing device.


** Its a comedy dont get to worked up over the framing device.

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** Its a comedy dont don't get to worked up over the framing device.


** I agree. Anyone in the military - especially enlisted like that tactical squad - are trained to fear ranking officers, no matter how unreasonable their requests (read: orders) seem, and the higher the rank, the greater the fear. The BavarianFireDrill works a lot better with annoyed eyes in between a pair of four star insignias glaring patiently at you. I still consider the fact that he saluted them afterward, in a sense telling them they were doing their jobs well, makes this scene a very subtle CrowningMomentOfAwesome.

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** I agree. Anyone in the military - especially enlisted like that tactical squad - are trained to fear ranking officers, no matter how unreasonable their requests (read: orders) seem, and the higher the rank, the greater the fear. The BavarianFireDrill works a lot better with annoyed eyes in between a pair of four star insignias glaring patiently at you. I still consider the fact that he saluted them afterward, in a sense telling them they were doing their jobs well, makes this scene a very subtle CrowningMomentOfAwesome.SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome.


*** Frank explicitly mentions that it wasn't the fact that he talked to Sarah at all, but ''how'' he talked to her. They were after her because she could be used to get to Frank.

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*** ** Frank explicitly mentions that it wasn't the fact that he talked to Sarah at all, but ''how'' he talked to her. They were after her because she could be used to get to Frank.



*** The presidential limo is a one and only make based on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Kodiak GM/Chevrolet Kodiak]] truck chassis which I believe is rated at 2 to 5 tons, depending on configuration. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.

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*** ** The presidential limo is a one and only make based on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Kodiak GM/Chevrolet Kodiak]] truck chassis which I believe is rated at 2 to 5 tons, depending on configuration. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.



*** I agree. Anyone in the military - especially enlisted like that tactical squad - are trained to fear ranking officers, no matter how unreasonable their requests (read: orders) seem, and the higher the rank, the greater the fear. The BavarianFireDrill works a lot better with annoyed eyes in between a pair of four star insignias glaring patiently at you. I still consider the fact that he saluted them afterward, in a sense telling them they were doing their jobs well, makes this scene a very subtle CrowningMomentOfAwesome.

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*** ** I agree. Anyone in the military - especially enlisted like that tactical squad - are trained to fear ranking officers, no matter how unreasonable their requests (read: orders) seem, and the higher the rank, the greater the fear. The BavarianFireDrill works a lot better with annoyed eyes in between a pair of four star insignias glaring patiently at you. I still consider the fact that he saluted them afterward, in a sense telling them they were doing their jobs well, makes this scene a very subtle CrowningMomentOfAwesome.



*** Frank does wind up with Cooper's security badge. He uses it to get into the stair well, I think, and maybe the janitor's closet? Overall though, I think the brawl was one part acquire badge, one part check out if the guy following me is this Cooper guy or if there's another party involved in this, one part check out if Cooper is both brains and brawn, and ten parts rule of cool.

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*** ** Frank does wind up with Cooper's security badge. He uses it to get into the stair well, I think, and maybe the janitor's closet? Overall though, I think the brawl was one part acquire badge, one part check out if the guy following me is this Cooper guy or if there's another party involved in this, one part check out if Cooper is both brains and brawn, and ten parts rule of cool.


** [[TheGuardsMustBeCrazy And a group of guys wearing badges that said "Insecurity"]] [[RealityIsUnrealistic can get within a Secret Service perimeter at APEC]] [[TheChaser to gain access to George W. Bush's hotel]].

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** [[TheGuardsMustBeCrazy And a group of guys wearing badges that said "Insecurity"]] [[RealityIsUnrealistic can get within a Secret Service perimeter at APEC]] [[TheChaser [[Series/TheChasersWarOnEverything to gain access to George W. Bush's hotel]].


*** The presidential limo is a one and only make based on the GM Kodiak truck chassis which I believe is rated at 2 to 5 tons, depending on configuration. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.

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*** The presidential limo is a one and only make based on the GM Kodiak [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Kodiak GM/Chevrolet Kodiak]] truck chassis which I believe is rated at 2 to 5 tons, depending on configuration. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.


*** The presidential limo is a one and only make based on the GM Kodiak truck chassis which I believe is rated at 2 tons. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.

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*** The presidential limo is a one and only make based on the GM Kodiak truck chassis which I believe is rated at 2 tons.to 5 tons, depending on configuration. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.


*** The presidential limo is a one and only make. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.

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*** The presidential limo is a one and only make.make based on the GM Kodiak truck chassis which I believe is rated at 2 tons. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.



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*** The presidential limo is a one and only make. No manufacturer makes a street version that looks like a presidential limo.



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*** Frank does wind up with Cooper's security badge. He uses it to get into the stair well, I think, and maybe the janitor's closet? Overall though, I think the brawl was one part acquire badge, one part check out if the guy following me is this Cooper guy or if there's another party involved in this, one part check out if Cooper is both brains and brawn, and ten parts rule of cool.


** Note that the guards are still blocking the general from leaving the elevator, and wait for the scan to be completed. They ''are'' doing their jobs, in that nobody is getting in who cannot show proper authorization (even if they don't know its forged). Waiting for the general to find his contact lens is only being polite, and only truly titanic idiots are impolite to two-star generals.

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** Note that the guards are still blocking the general from leaving the elevator, and wait for the scan to be completed. They ''are'' doing their jobs, in that nobody is getting in who cannot show proper authorization (even if they don't know its forged). Waiting for the general to find his contact lens before using the scanner is only being polite, and only truly titanic idiots are impolite to two-star generals.



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** Note that the guards are still blocking the general from leaving the elevator, and wait for the scan to be completed. They ''are'' doing their jobs, in that nobody is getting in who cannot show proper authorization (even if they don't know its forged). Waiting for the general to find his contact lens is only being polite, and only truly titanic idiots are impolite to two-star generals.



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** Didn't he steal something of Cooper's while he was there? I haven't seen it recently but I thought the fight was basically half "Let's see what this young punk can do" and half "I need something from his office".


** The whole thing was orchestrated by Dunning to kill the VP. Dunning knew Moses and the rest of them back in their active days (notice they identify the man who collected the package by his looks) and he knew that a simple hit squad could not kill them all and that they would want revenge, either killing the VP themselves or giving him opportunity to do so. His motive is that the VP wants out and he will loose his money, conections and contracts if it comes out that he helped to cover warcrimes and used that as leverage to get rich as defence contractor. But if he succeeded everyone who knew about the village and/or could place him there (the pilot) would be dead and he would get away scott-free with most of his connections intact. He probably promised Wilkes to replace the VP as his protegee.

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** The whole thing was orchestrated by Dunning to kill the VP. Dunning knew Moses and the rest of them back in their active days (notice they identify the man who collected the package by his looks) and he knew that a simple hit squad could not kill them all and that they would want revenge, either killing the VP themselves or giving him opportunity to do so. His motive is that the VP wants out and he will loose lose his money, conections connections and contracts if it comes out that he helped to cover warcrimes war crimes and used that as leverage to get rich as defence defense contractor. But if he succeeded everyone who knew about the village and/or could place him there (the pilot) would be dead and he would get away scott-free scot-free with most of his connections intact. He probably promised Wilkes to replace the VP as his protegee.



** XanatosGambit as Dunniny would benefit from many different outcomes. If Dunning succeeds in killing everyone connected to Guatemala, cool beans. That's taken care of and no one can connect him and the VP (it is worth noting that no one went after Boggs, probably because by himself he's too nuts to be a threat until Frank got him to join their crew). If they survive, he can continue attempting to take them down with his CIA puppet until they track him down. They're not going to attack him directly because from their perspective he's a puppet of the CIA, not the other way around. If they come after him Dunning can turn them around and point them at the VP to take him out. No loss to Dunning because Stanton wants out anyway and this will take him out and make the survivors of the assassination into internationally wanted killers (or get them all killed, which is also a win). Dunning just didn't expect that Frank would take Stanton alive instead of kill him. If Frank had actually killed Stanton instead of tried to trade him for Sara, Dunning would have won. In fact, if Dunning had never shown up to the factory and instead just sent his goons, no one would have known he was the mastermind behind the whole thing. So the issue is not that the conspiracy made no sense, because it does, [[VillainBall but why Dunning risked everything by showing up personally at the exchange to gloat]] instead of sending his puppets to take care of it. Should have read the EvilOverlordList, Dunning; your plan was going perfectly until you made that mistake!

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** XanatosGambit as Dunniny Dunning would benefit from many different outcomes. If Dunning succeeds in killing everyone connected to Guatemala, cool beans. That's taken care of and no one can connect him and the VP (it is worth noting that no one went after Boggs, probably because by himself he's too nuts to be a threat until Frank got him to join their crew). If they survive, he can continue attempting to take them down with his CIA puppet until they track him down. They're not going to attack him directly because from their perspective he's a puppet of the CIA, not the other way around. If they come after him Dunning can turn them around and point them at the VP to take him out. No loss to Dunning because Stanton wants out anyway and this will take him out and make the survivors of the assassination into internationally wanted killers (or get them all killed, which is also a win). Dunning just didn't expect that Frank would take Stanton alive instead of kill him. If Frank had actually killed Stanton instead of tried to trade him for Sara, Dunning would have won. In fact, if Dunning had never shown up to the factory and instead just sent his goons, no one would have known he was the mastermind behind the whole thing. So the issue is not that the conspiracy made no sense, because it does, [[VillainBall but why Dunning risked everything by showing up personally at the exchange to gloat]] instead of sending his puppets to take care of it. Should have read the EvilOverlordList, Dunning; your plan was going perfectly until you made that mistake!

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