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** Wasn't his Persona ability taken away [[spoiler:after he remembered and stopped being the Joker]], so he couldn't upgrade his Persona then? (IIRC)

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** Wasn't his Persona ability taken away [[spoiler:after after he remembered and stopped being the Joker]], Joker, so he couldn't upgrade his Persona then? (IIRC)



*** The implication I got from that sequence was that Jun came and got his mask at least some time before the main party did, with the implication that the Black Condor mask was used to make the [[spoiler:Joker mask.]] As far as I know, you never get the Black Condor mask (as the chest that would have it is empty when you come through, and you don't get it when Jun joins) I could be wrong though.

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*** The implication I got from that sequence was that Jun came and got his mask at least some time before the main party did, with the implication that the Black Condor mask was used to make the [[spoiler:Joker mask.]] Joker mask. As far as I know, you never get the Black Condor mask (as the chest that would have it is empty when you come through, and you don't get it when Jun joins) I could be wrong though.



* Apparently, Jun was transferred from Seven Sisters to Kasugayama High because he used his Persona in his bullies before IS. But in EP, where he never played the Persona game with the others, he's shown in Kasu's uniform. What happened to him that made him transfer? He probably never played the Persona game at all, given that even when Sudou is manhandling him he neither summons nor awakens his Persona. Granted, [[spoiler: Sudou isn't trying to hurt him, ''just'' make him remember being Joker]], but being held hostage by a strange pyromaniac is a rather stressful situation and Tatsuya and Lisa [[spoiler: actually not Tatsuya]] awakened their Personas without nearly as much stress (Eikichi would rough them up at worst if they hadn't been interrupted.)
* After the Alaya Shrine incident, [[spoiler: why does everyone think that Maya's dead? She's alive, and the hospital has to have a record of that. Why didn't anyone tell the four kids who blame themselves? Not to mention that the old woman at the shrine mentions that her ghost hangs around.]]

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* Apparently, Jun was transferred from Seven Sisters to Kasugayama High because he used his Persona in his bullies before IS. But in EP, where he never played the Persona game with the others, he's shown in Kasu's uniform. What happened to him that made him transfer? He probably never played the Persona game at all, given that even when Sudou is manhandling him he neither summons nor awakens his Persona. Granted, [[spoiler: Sudou isn't trying to hurt him, ''just'' make him remember being Joker]], Joker, but being held hostage by a strange pyromaniac is a rather stressful situation and Tatsuya and Lisa [[spoiler: actually not Tatsuya]] Tatsuya awakened their Personas without nearly as much stress (Eikichi would rough them up at worst if they hadn't been interrupted.)
* After the Alaya Shrine incident, [[spoiler: why does everyone think that Maya's dead? She's alive, and the hospital has to have a record of that. Why didn't anyone tell the four kids who blame themselves? Not to mention that the old woman at the shrine mentions that her ghost hangs around.]]


** The four kids thought they were responsible for the fire that took Maya's life. They didn't tell anyone what had happened to her and they all went their separate ways after the act was done as well as severely regressed the memory of them all doing it. Presumably, none of them went to the hospital to ask of Maya because they believed her good as dead. Could they have at least tried to ask? Certainly, but at the ages the kids were, most of their bingo balls were still in the draw tank if you get the meaning.

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** The four kids thought they were responsible for the fire that took Maya's life. They didn't tell anyone what had happened to her and they all went their separate ways after the act was done as well as severely regressed the memory of them all doing it. Presumably, none of them went to the hospital to ask of Maya because they believed her good as dead. Could they have at least tried to ask? Certainly, but at the ages the kids were, most of their bingo balls were still in the draw tank if you get the meaning.meaning.
* Does the Time Castle still exist after the events of the game?


** Apollo is a sun god- according to TheMagicRoundabout, you can freeze the sun with magic. Y'know, like Bufu and Lily's Jail?

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** Apollo is a sun god- according to TheMagicRoundabout, ''WesternAnimation/TheMagicRoundabout'', you can freeze the sun with magic. Y'know, like Bufu and Lily's Jail?


* After the Alaya Shrine incident, [[spoiler: why does everyone think that Maya's dead? She's alive, and the hospital has to have a record of that. Why didn't anyone tell the four kids who blame themselves? Not to mention that the old woman at the shrine mentions that her ghost hangs around.]]

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* After the Alaya Shrine incident, [[spoiler: why does everyone think that Maya's dead? She's alive, and the hospital has to have a record of that. Why didn't anyone tell the four kids who blame themselves? Not to mention that the old woman at the shrine mentions that her ghost hangs around.]]]]
** The four kids thought they were responsible for the fire that took Maya's life. They didn't tell anyone what had happened to her and they all went their separate ways after the act was done as well as severely regressed the memory of them all doing it. Presumably, none of them went to the hospital to ask of Maya because they believed her good as dead. Could they have at least tried to ask? Certainly, but at the ages the kids were, most of their bingo balls were still in the draw tank if you get the meaning.


* Apparently, Jun was transferred from Seven Sisters to Kasugayama High because he used his Persona in his bullies before IS. But in EP, where he never played the Persona game with the others, he's shown in Kasu's uniform. What happened to him that made him transfer? He probably never played the Persona game at all, given that even when Sudou is manhandling him he neither summons nor awakens his Persona. Granted, [[spoiler: Sudou isn't trying to hurt him, ''just'' make him remember being Joker]], but being held hostage by a strange pyromaniac is a rather stressful situation and Tatsuya and Lisa [[spoiler: actually not Tatsuya]] awakened their Personas without nearly as much stress (Eikichi would rough them up at worst if they hadn't been interrupted.)

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* Apparently, Jun was transferred from Seven Sisters to Kasugayama High because he used his Persona in his bullies before IS. But in EP, where he never played the Persona game with the others, he's shown in Kasu's uniform. What happened to him that made him transfer? He probably never played the Persona game at all, given that even when Sudou is manhandling him he neither summons nor awakens his Persona. Granted, [[spoiler: Sudou isn't trying to hurt him, ''just'' make him remember being Joker]], but being held hostage by a strange pyromaniac is a rather stressful situation and Tatsuya and Lisa [[spoiler: actually not Tatsuya]] awakened their Personas without nearly as much stress (Eikichi would rough them up at worst if they hadn't been interrupted.))
* After the Alaya Shrine incident, [[spoiler: why does everyone think that Maya's dead? She's alive, and the hospital has to have a record of that. Why didn't anyone tell the four kids who blame themselves? Not to mention that the old woman at the shrine mentions that her ghost hangs around.]]

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** Back in time, how far? Nyaralthotep's plans were spun the second he became Jun's dad. Even going back in time just would have changed the formula to the same end. New tricks and traps, same game. Though never directly stated once (an excellent example of show, don't tell), It's part and parcel an underlying current in Eternal Punishment.


* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them with Persona 3, 4, and Persona 5. (The PS3 was already out for about a year when Persona 3 was released.)

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* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them with Persona 3, 4, and Persona 5. (The PS3 [=PS3=] was already out for about a year when Persona 3 was released.)


** That also brings up another point in my mind; Couldn't they have just kept their memories, so when they did go back in time, they would know what to do to prevent a disaster? It seems to me a totally viable plan.

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** That also brings up another point in my mind; Couldn't they have just kept their memories, so when they did go back in time, they would know what to do to prevent a disaster? It seems to me a totally viable plan.plan.
* Apparently, Jun was transferred from Seven Sisters to Kasugayama High because he used his Persona in his bullies before IS. But in EP, where he never played the Persona game with the others, he's shown in Kasu's uniform. What happened to him that made him transfer? He probably never played the Persona game at all, given that even when Sudou is manhandling him he neither summons nor awakens his Persona. Granted, [[spoiler: Sudou isn't trying to hurt him, ''just'' make him remember being Joker]], but being held hostage by a strange pyromaniac is a rather stressful situation and Tatsuya and Lisa [[spoiler: actually not Tatsuya]] awakened their Personas without nearly as much stress (Eikichi would rough them up at worst if they hadn't been interrupted.)


* What exactly was Tatsuya's betrayal of his friends? All of the IS team made it clear that they had no intention of giving up their memories - that they intended to force the world to let them have their cake and eat it too. For some unexplained reason, only Tatsuya was successful at this, but it doesn't change the fact that he was following the same plan everyone else was.

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* What exactly was Tatsuya's betrayal of his friends? All of the IS team made it clear that they had no intention of giving up their memories - that they intended to force the world to let them have their cake and eat it too. For some unexplained reason, only Tatsuya was successful at this, but it doesn't change the fact that he was following the same plan everyone else was.was.
**That also brings up another point in my mind; Couldn't they have just kept their memories, so when they did go back in time, they would know what to do to prevent a disaster? It seems to me a totally viable plan.


** The bet hasn't been resolved as they haven't stopped him yet; Nyarlathotep still had one more trick which was killng Maya and ending the world through a chain of rumors which relied on her death. As for Philemon not doing anything, remember that he [[AllPowerfulBystander only guides and chooses his "proxies" as well as taking an observer role towards whatever events unfold.]] ''Why'' he chooses not to interfere isn't explicitly stated, but it's implied he wants humans to prove their constructive potential on their own.

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** The bet hasn't been resolved as they haven't stopped him yet; Nyarlathotep still had one more trick which was killng Maya and ending the world through a chain of rumors which relied on her death. As for Philemon not doing anything, remember that he [[AllPowerfulBystander only guides and chooses his "proxies" as well as taking an observer role towards whatever events unfold.]] ''Why'' he chooses not to interfere isn't explicitly stated, but it's implied he wants humans to prove their constructive potential on their own.own.
* What exactly was Tatsuya's betrayal of his friends? All of the IS team made it clear that they had no intention of giving up their memories - that they intended to force the world to let them have their cake and eat it too. For some unexplained reason, only Tatsuya was successful at this, but it doesn't change the fact that he was following the same plan everyone else was.


* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could get Okamura to stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him or her?

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** In-game battles being [[GameplayAndStorySegregation abstractions of how the battles are actually being played out narratively.]] Like, if it wasn't represented by sprites and by characters taking turns, and was an animated cutscene or something similar we probably would've seen things like the party barely dodging or letting their Personas tank his attacks.
* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could get Okamura to stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him or her?her?
** The bet hasn't been resolved as they haven't stopped him yet; Nyarlathotep still had one more trick which was killng Maya and ending the world through a chain of rumors which relied on her death. As for Philemon not doing anything, remember that he [[AllPowerfulBystander only guides and chooses his "proxies" as well as taking an observer role towards whatever events unfold.]] ''Why'' he chooses not to interfere isn't explicitly stated, but it's implied he wants humans to prove their constructive potential on their own.


* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him?

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* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could get Okamura to stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him?him or her?





** Well, you can attribute it to low sales in Japan (about only 200 000+ units, compared to the 900k for P3P and 700k for P2:IS), which probably spooked Atlus for a localisation. Besides, the only reason given was "Unusual Circumstances"

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** Well, you can attribute it to low sales in Japan (about only 200 000+ units, compared to the 900k for P3P and 700k for P2:IS), which probably spooked Atlus for a localisation. Besides, the only reason given was "Unusual Circumstances"Circumstances"
* Why is that when Hitler is using the Lance of Longinus to fight the party, none of his attacks are automatically fatal?
* Since the bet had been resolved, how come Nyarlathotep could stab Maya, or why couldn't Philemon stop him?


* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them with Persona 3, 4, and Persona 5. (The PS3 was already out for about a year when Persona 3 was released.)

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* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them with Persona 3, 4, and Persona 5. (The PS3 was already out for about a year when Persona 3 was released.))
**Well, you can attribute it to low sales in Japan (about only 200 000+ units, compared to the 900k for P3P and 700k for P2:IS), which probably spooked Atlus for a localisation. Besides, the only reason given was "Unusual Circumstances"


* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's lifespan? That sure as hell didn't stop them from deciding to work on Persona 3 and 4 when the successor system was already out, and from planning on releasing Persona 5 in 201'''5'''.

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* Is this true what I heard about the Eternal Punishment PSP version not being released in NA and PAL because it's "too late" in the PSP's lifespan? That "lifespan"? Why? Their system's "lifespan" sure as hell didn't stop them from deciding to work on with Persona 3 3, 4, and 4 when the successor system Persona 5. (The PS3 was already out, and from planning on releasing out for about a year when Persona 5 in 201'''5'''.3 was released.)

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