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*** Don't forget that two most recent entries in the ''Devil Summoner'' series have very explicit ties to the main ''ShinMegamiTensei'' games, so if ''Devil Summoner'' and ''Persona'' are on the same timeline... yea, it's enough to make your head hurt.

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*** Don't forget that two most recent entries in the ''Devil Summoner'' series have very explicit ties to the main ''ShinMegamiTensei'' ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games, so if ''Devil Summoner'' and ''Persona'' are on the same timeline... yea, it's enough to make your head hurt.

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* In all the Persona games where it's a thing, how exactly does giving the correct answer that you ''already knew'' to a question increase your knowledge? Yes, I know I'm being pedantic here, but I'm just curious how this is meant to work from an in-universe point of view. Surely not knowing the answer then learning it afterwards would increase knowledge, not getting the question right.

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** Still nothing. The site you mention is most likely false. The closest that may be official is the name "Titan" which is rumored to come from the drama CD. However, without a proper source that can't be confirmed.


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*** This theory might be confirmed as of Persona 5, as Joker (whose Arcanaa is the Fool), is also able to naturally change his Persona despite never having met Philemon. It seems Philemon can grant the ability to switch Personas to anyone, while people who are of the Fool Arcana can do so naturally.


* According to TheOtherWiki (though I've paraphrased), Carl Jung (whose theories inspired aspects of the Persona series) believed that one product of the collective unconscious was a wise spirit guide who took the form of an elderly winged man. He originally dubbed this figure Elijah, but it developed into 'Philemon'. Assuming that this is where Philemon from Persona got his name, what of the other products that Jung believed in? According to the 'Red Book' article, there was also a young girl called Salome, an anima figure, and a large black snake. The snake might be Nyarlathotep, but I don't remember a 'Salome' figure in the Persona games...

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* According to TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki (though I've paraphrased), Carl Jung (whose theories inspired aspects of the Persona series) believed that one product of the collective unconscious was a wise spirit guide who took the form of an elderly winged man. He originally dubbed this figure Elijah, but it developed into 'Philemon'. Assuming that this is where Philemon from Persona got his name, what of the other products that Jung believed in? According to the 'Red Book' article, there was also a young girl called Salome, an anima figure, and a large black snake. The snake might be Nyarlathotep, but I don't remember a 'Salome' figure in the Persona games...


* I'm rather interested why the characters in SMT:Persona and VideoGame/Persona2(IS and EP) can use their Personae anytime they want in their cities, but the chars of VideoGame/Persona3 and VideoGame/Persona4 have to go to a specific location (Tartarus, Abyss of Time, Midnight Channel) and/or at a specific time (Dark Hour). Is there a special reason for that? And before you say: "Maybe they didn't want to use their Personae outside of Tartarus/Midnight Channel" In Persona4 Rise clearly wanted to use her persona at the field trip (she was drunk though).

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* I'm rather interested why the characters in SMT:Persona and VideoGame/Persona2(IS and EP) can use their Personae anytime they want in their cities, but the chars of VideoGame/Persona3 and VideoGame/Persona4 have to go to a specific location (Tartarus, Abyss of Time, Midnight Channel) and/or at a specific time (Dark Hour). Is there a special reason for that? And before you say: "Maybe they didn't want to use their Personae outside of Tartarus/Midnight Channel" In Persona4 VideoGame/Persona4 Rise clearly wanted to use her persona at the field trip (she was drunk though).


* How many ways are there to summon a Persona? The most common way is to just hold your hands up and shout "Persona!" (or make a flushing toilet noise if you're in the PSP version; that's what it sounds like to me), but in Persona3, the characters hold empty guns to their foreheads and shoot themselves. (At least, most of them do. I don't recall Takaya shooting himself with an Evoker because he'd [[WhatAnIdiot probably use his loaded one by mistake]] and Aigis was a robot), and in Persona 4, they destroy Tarot cards.

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* How many ways are there to summon a Persona? The most common way is to just hold your hands up and shout "Persona!" (or make a flushing toilet noise if you're in the PSP version; that's what it sounds like to me), but in Persona3, VideoGame/Persona3, the characters hold empty guns to their foreheads and shoot themselves. (At least, most of them do. I don't recall Takaya shooting himself with an Evoker because he'd [[WhatAnIdiot probably use his loaded one by mistake]] and Aigis was a robot), and in Persona 4, they destroy Tarot cards.



* I'm rather interested why the characters in SMT:Persona and VideoGame/Persona2(IS and EP) can use their Personae anytime they want in their cities, but the chars of Persona3 and Persona4 have to go to a specific location (Tartarus, Abyss of Time, Midnight Channel) and/or at a specific time (Dark Hour). Is there a special reason for that? And before you say: "Maybe they didn't want to use their Personae outside of Tartarus/Midnight Channel" In Persona4 Rise clearly wanted to use her persona at the field trip (she was drunk though).

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* I'm rather interested why the characters in SMT:Persona and VideoGame/Persona2(IS and EP) can use their Personae anytime they want in their cities, but the chars of Persona3 VideoGame/Persona3 and Persona4 VideoGame/Persona4 have to go to a specific location (Tartarus, Abyss of Time, Midnight Channel) and/or at a specific time (Dark Hour). Is there a special reason for that? And before you say: "Maybe they didn't want to use their Personae outside of Tartarus/Midnight Channel" In Persona4 Rise clearly wanted to use her persona at the field trip (she was drunk though).


* I'm rather interested why the characters in SMT:Persona and Persona2(IS and EP) can use their Personae anytime they want in their cities, but the chars of Persona3 and Persona4 have to go to a specific location (Tartarus, Abyss of Time, Midnight Channel) and/or at a specific time (Dark Hour). Is there a special reason for that? And before you say: "Maybe they didn't want to use their Personae outside of Tartarus/Midnight Channel" In Persona4 Rise clearly wanted to use her persona at the field trip (she was drunk though).

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* I'm rather interested why the characters in SMT:Persona and Persona2(IS VideoGame/Persona2(IS and EP) can use their Personae anytime they want in their cities, but the chars of Persona3 and Persona4 have to go to a specific location (Tartarus, Abyss of Time, Midnight Channel) and/or at a specific time (Dark Hour). Is there a special reason for that? And before you say: "Maybe they didn't want to use their Personae outside of Tartarus/Midnight Channel" In Persona4 Rise clearly wanted to use her persona at the field trip (she was drunk though).

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* Does anyone know what the name of Takeda's Persona is? The closest I can figure is that on the Persona Won tvtropes page and on a site called mystery meep, it's listed as Noppera-bo, but I don't know if there's any official confirmation for that.


** You're thinking of the two PS2 ''Devil Summoner games'', which are ''prequels'' to the original series -- they have a near-future Cyberpunk setting. I'm not totally clear if they happen whether we go into the main ''Shin Megami Tensei'' timeline or not, or whether they reflect the events that eventually cause the ''Persona''/''Devil Summoner'' timeline to happen instead.

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** You're thinking of the two PS2 [=PS2=] ''Devil Summoner games'', which are ''prequels'' to the original series -- they have a near-future Cyberpunk setting. I'm not totally clear if they happen whether we go into the main ''Shin Megami Tensei'' timeline or not, or whether they reflect the events that eventually cause the ''Persona''/''Devil Summoner'' timeline to happen instead.



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** ''Persona4Arena'' touches on this; Mitsuru and Akihiko both mention that it's incredibly easy to summon their personas inside the [=TV=] and only use their evokers during their more powerful spells. (We never see Fuuka summon Juno on-screen, but it's apparent that she can do so outside both the [=TV=] and the Dark Hour; with Aigis it's hard to tell, since her evoker is built-in.)

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** ''Persona4Arena'' ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' touches on this; Mitsuru and Akihiko both mention that it's incredibly easy to summon their personas inside the [=TV=] and only use their evokers during their more powerful spells. (We never see Fuuka summon Juno on-screen, but it's apparent that she can do so outside both the [=TV=] and the Dark Hour; with Aigis it's hard to tell, since her evoker is built-in.)



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** The first and second Persona games actually ''do'' have supernatural locations - it's just less obvious than the Dark Hour in ''3'' and the Midnight Channel in ''4''. In ''Persona'', the city you've been fighting in the whole time is Maki's warped dream world (or in an ice-covered world ruled by the Night Queen, Nemesis, Thanatos, and Hypnos if you're playing the Snow Queen Quest), while in the ''Persona 2'' games, [[spoiler:Nyarlathotep]] cursed Sumaru City with the reality-altering rumor spell, which eventually escalated with the creation of Xibalba and the Zodiac Shrines as the rumors became more outrageous. While there's the argument that the first three games' parties contacting Philemon gave them an advantage over the latter two parties awakening on their own accord, the first three still technically fought in places affected by paranormal activities.



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** It's also explained in game that he is the most sensible and calm member of the group. Nanjo even remarks how he can remain calm and play in the arcade while Mikage-Cho is under attack.

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*** Actually, Persona 4 Golden revealed that [[spoiler: Izanami is also a part of the Human collective subconscious mind, akin to Philemon and Nyarlathotep. She represents the "wish" subconsciously held by all of them combined. Since her strength derives from everybody, it isn't a stretch to say that Izanami is in the same league as Philemon and Nyrlathotep.]]

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