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But what about the other parents? Doesn't it bug them that there is a HOST CLUB at Ouran? Ok, it`s a [[BleachedUnderpants pretty tame]] one, but if my child (especially if I had a daughter) told me that there`s a host club at her school I would definitely get upset.

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But what about the other parents? Doesn't it bug them that there is a HOST CLUB at Ouran? Ok, it`s a [[BleachedUnderpants pretty tame]] tame one, but if my child (especially if I had a daughter) told me that there`s a host club at her school I would definitely get upset.

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**** This is TruthInTelevision. I have two cousins who are identical twins. They're very hard to distinguish visually but have noticeably different voices. It's much easier to tell which is which as soon as either of them speaks.



** Not to mention how the girls continue to squee at the sight of "him" in female drag...



** Given her apparent status, I'd suspect it might be the other way round. While it's not terribly common, it's not unknown in Japan for a man to take his wife's name. It's most common when the man is marrying "up", so it's possible Tamaki's grandfather married into the apparently quite wealthy and prestigious Suou family.



[[WMG:Renge aparently is constantly listening to everything the club members ever say and do based on her ability to pop up on the podeium on a whim. How can she not know Haruhi's gender?]]

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[[WMG:Renge aparently is constantly listening to everything the club members ever say and do based on her ability to pop up on the podeium podium on a whim. How can she not know Haruhi's gender?]]



*** And some people just find the idea of a little gender bending fun. Personally, I thought she was pretty cute as either a boy or a girl.



[[WMG: Has anyone ever notice how Tamaki hardly ever swears? Sure he got a "jackass" and "bastard" in there, but other than that, he's got a pretty clean mouth.]]

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[[WMG: Has anyone ever notice noticed how Tamaki hardly ever swears? Sure he got a "jackass" and "bastard" in there, but other than that, he's got a pretty clean mouth.]]



But what about the other parents? Doesn`t it bug them that there is a HOST CLUB at Ouran? Ok, it`s a [[BleachedUnderpants pretty tame]] one, but if my child (especially if I had a daughter) told me that there`s a host club at her school I would definitely get upset.
Considering that many of the families which send their children to Ouran are in the ascendant, it doesn`t seem wise to upset them.

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But what about the other parents? Doesn`t Doesn't it bug them that there is a HOST CLUB at Ouran? Ok, it`s a [[BleachedUnderpants pretty tame]] one, but if my child (especially if I had a daughter) told me that there`s a host club at her school I would definitely get upset.
Considering that many of the families which send their children to Ouran are in the ascendant, it doesn`t doesn't seem wise to upset them.




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* Even after going to the dentist for a filling, it might still take a little time for him to get fully back to normal. Especially since it was implied that he'd really let it go.



* Maybe she spread it around a lot trying to get it out. By the time she got rid of all of it, her hair was so butchered that the short cut was the only way to fix it.



** Based on what we actually see onscreen, does this school even have teachers or classes? I mean, I'm sure they do, but we never see any of the students in class or so much as speaking to a teacher.




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* They're adorable. Do we really need a reason?
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** I'm not sure I buy the 'he was playing the find Haruhi's fear' game since he doesn't make much mention of it in the text, and 'your female friend is scared of being sexually assaulted' is like...duh, most people would be afraid of that. Haruhi definitely seemed shocked before she called his bluff on it. Plus like, if she was scared would he really go running to the twins to say 'I won the game - I threatened to sexually assault her!' and not expect the rest of the club to give him a well-deserved WhatTheHellHero chewing out over it? As for the first interpretation, the text DOES seem to suggest he's trying to drive home Tamaki's point more but the framing is pretty insane - Haruhi ate too much crab and needed to be ill, and used the nearest bathroom to do it - Kyoya's. Kyoya then throws her on the bed and, in the Eng dub, says that she somehow didn't think through her actions and has 'left herself defenceless against him'. Which is like, what? People sometimes get ill; is Kyoya trying to imply that Haruhi should be actively worrying about protecting herself when she's more worried about finding the nearest place to throw up? Not to mention that Kyoya's supposed to be her FRIEND and he decides the way to make her understand the point of 'ask for help instead of throwing yourself into dangerous situations if help is available' is 'pretend I'm going to sexually assault my friend after she was sick five minutes ago'. The whole framing makes it seem like the point is less about evaluating risk according to your means and available allies, and more 'women should be on high alert about the risk of being assaulted, even in situations with people they thought they could trust and where they've done nothing wrong', which is just getting into victim blaming territory. TL:DR but the whole thing reeks of the Thermian principle - regardless of how Kyoya's character can be used to rationalise his actions at the end of the day the writers set up the scenario 'Haruhi could have gotten into trouble trying to help someone if the club hadn't been there to back her up' and decided the only way they could resolve it was 'Kyoya pretends to assault her, his friend, and Haruhi not only praises him for it but turns into a crying mess in Tamaki's arms later on'
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** YouShouldKnowThisAlready
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* I always assumed he had to wait three days until a dentist appointment, thus why he had to give up on sweets for three days.

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* Not uncommon for private schools in America to require the uniform be bought separately, even for those on partial tuition. Ouran isn't in America, obviously, just saying it's not unprecedented.




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** Haruhi ''does'' defend her friends and family, but not from themselves - despite the fact that she yells at Kyoya's father in the anime for not respecting him, for example, she's not one to coddle Tamaki's feelings when his LargeHam antics end up humiliating him in public. She also really seems to hate being treated as though she's incapable of being by herself. It's possible she saw them coming to Lobelia to rescue her as an extension of their overprotectiveness/hammery and decided they were getting their just desserts.



* Unfortunately, the idea of a woman who entertains a lot of men is much, much, much more disreputable than the idea of a man who entertains a lot of women. I imagine that having a girl on offer as a product to customers would have gotten the Host Club shut down ''immediately.''



** It's made fairly clear in the series itself that, yes, the entire point of the "Which One's Hikaru Game" is that the twins don't intend for anyone to ever be able to win it. It's a way of keeping themselves closed off from others and a reaction to the way that many people treat them as though they're interchangeable. Well, that and they're kind of {{jerkass}}es. Tamaki makes some fairly insightful observations on the subject during the flashback to his recruitment of the twins into the Host Club.

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** It's made fairly clear in the series itself that, yes, the entire point of the "Which One's Hikaru Game" is that the twins don't intend for anyone to ever be able to win it. It's a way of keeping themselves closed off from others and a reaction to the way that many people treat them as though they're interchangeable. Well, that and they're kind of {{jerkass}}es. Tamaki makes some fairly insightful observations on the subject during the flashback to his recruitment of the twins into the Host Club. Later in the manga they stop doing this because they admit to themselves that their being treated as interchangeable is, at least in part, because they refused to differentiate themselves from each other at all, and so the Which One's Hikaru Game was just a way to hurt both themselves and the parties playing it.



** Yep. There's also a scene with Tamaki playing it near the end, and he guesses immediately who's who — and they don't lie about it, because all three of them point out he's been able to tell them apart for a long time. If you guess correctly, but then accept being told you're wrong, it's pretty obvious you only guessed.



** For all it's faults of being vain and superficial, nearly everyone at Ouran is incredibly accepting of nearly everyone and everything, ESPECIALLY the girls. You couldn't find warmer and kinder people anywhere. Renge is the possible exception but she's more just insensitive due to being an Otaku who thinks of things from a more "exciting" angle than from a "realistic" one. She's still pretty accepting of things most people in real life these days aren't.

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** For all it's its faults of being vain and superficial, nearly everyone at Ouran is incredibly accepting of nearly everyone and everything, ESPECIALLY the girls. You couldn't find warmer and kinder people anywhere. Renge is the possible exception but she's more just insensitive due to being an Otaku who thinks of things from a more "exciting" angle than from a "realistic" one. She's still pretty accepting of things most people in real life these days aren't.



* Of course he knows she's a girl. Haruhi did not enter Ouran under false pretenses. It's explicitly stated in the Manga that he knows exactly who she is and who her mother was. He's just open minded. Apparently she's covered under AintNoRule

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* Of course he knows she's a girl.girl, the same way Kyoya knew she was a girl via accessing her student records. Haruhi did not enter Ouran under false pretenses. It's explicitly stated in the Manga that he knows exactly who she is and who her mother was. He's just open minded. Apparently she's covered under AintNoRule
AintNoRule.



*** she may be doing that deliberately to jerk his chain. She's certainly trying to gethim to lighten up a little.

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*** she may be doing that deliberately to jerk his chain. She's certainly trying to gethim get him to lighten up a little.
* Also worth noting that, since she isn't the oldest, she hasn't been "passed" at all. Kyoya has no expectation to be the heir to anything, so it's not like she's being skipped over in favor of him. It's just that the firstborn children got there first, and now the lastborn children have to figure out what to do with themselves. For her, it was easier, since her family expected that her only contribution to their name would be a valuable marriage.



* IIRC, WordOfGod says Kyoya plays a bit to the "mean boyfriend" or "ice king" desire when he hosts. So him not being available very often is probably part of that.



I mean yes, she is cute, WHEN SHE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A GIRL which happens a grand total of THREE times during the anime (I haven't read the manga yet) and two of those I didn't like the way her hair looked. The rest of the time she looks a lot like the main character in a {{Shounen}} action anime.

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* I mean yes, she is cute, WHEN SHE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A GIRL which happens a grand total of THREE times during the anime (I haven't read the manga yet) and two of those I didn't like the way her hair looked. The rest of the time she looks a lot like the main character in a {{Shounen}} action anime.anime.
** ''Some'' of us appreciate a cute butch when we see one.



* More than that. People usually can't eat well if they're upset, so Haruhi eating a full meal was just another indication that nothing that had happened that day fazed her, even when the boys were clearly worried and wished that she'd thought to rely on them. The crab cracking is an audio reminder that she doesn't feel scared, worried, or even the least bit guilty that everyone else had been so scared for her – and justifiably scared, considering that she can't swim, and if Tamaki and the twins hadn't shown up she'd have been in real trouble. Tamaki's angry that Haruhi isn't treating it as the near-death experience it was when she scared everyone else half to death.

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* More than that. People usually can't eat well if they're upset, so Haruhi eating a full meal was just another indication that nothing that had happened that day fazed her, even when the boys were clearly worried and wished that she'd thought to rely on them.them (especially considering ''master martial artists Mori and Honey'' were ''right there''. The crab cracking is an audio reminder that she doesn't feel scared, worried, or even the least bit guilty that everyone else had been so scared for her – and justifiably scared, considering that she can't swim, and if Tamaki and the twins hadn't shown up she'd have been in real trouble. Tamaki's angry that Haruhi isn't treating it as the near-death experience it was when she scared everyone else half to death.



*** While the 'Jackass' comment was a bit jarring (yet still [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments hilarious]]), the "You bastard..." line is actually sort of justified considering the situation. Tamaki just walked in on [[spoiler: Haruhi, the girl he's in love with, and a half naked Kyoya standing next to a bed together]]. He probably jumped to conclusions (this IS Tamaki after all) and became angry thinking [[spoiler: Haruhi was about to be assaulted and by his best friend even]]. We all know that's not the case, but I digress. We already know Tamaki'd have no qualms against beating up anyone who hurt Haruhi, so swearing at the 'assailant' shouldn't be too out there.

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*** While the 'Jackass' comment was a bit jarring (yet still [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments hilarious]]), the "You bastard..." line is actually sort of justified considering the situation. Tamaki just walked in on [[spoiler: Haruhi, the girl he's in love with, and a half naked Kyoya standing next to a bed together]]. He probably jumped to conclusions (this IS Tamaki after all) and became angry thinking [[spoiler: Haruhi was about to be assaulted assaulted, and by his best friend friend, even]]. We all know that's not the case, but I digress. We already know Tamaki'd have no qualms against beating up anyone who hurt Haruhi, so swearing at the 'assailant' shouldn't be too out there.




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* I'd like you to count how many of these kids you see have anything except a moderately-broken-at-best relationship with their parents. You can even include extras or bit characters if you want. We'll be here all day before you get off of your first five fingers.






* I think the implication was that she had never had the need for a passport before and it would take her too long to get one for the Bali trip. She probably never had the means, need or desire to travel internationally before (and then wouldn't need to get a passport), which isn't really all that uncommon. Why waste money and time on getting a passport if you aren't going to use it in the immediate future?

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* I think the implication was that she had never had the need for a passport before and it would take her too long to get one for the Bali trip. She probably never had the means, need need, or desire to travel internationally before (and then wouldn't need to get a passport), which isn't really all that uncommon. Why waste money and time on getting a passport if you aren't going to use it in the immediate future? future?
* Passports can take ''months,'' OP.




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* She cut it herself. What do you do when you screw up a home cut? Well, cut it shorter and hope that one looks better, obviously.







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* Tamaki meticulously avoids even just going to France to avoid jeopardizing his position with his grandmother. If word got around Tamaki knew French, spoke French often at school, ''was'' French...well, see how long it took for the Princess of Monele's lies to be exposed? Someone knows someone who knows someone. Easier to avoid the whole shebang.
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* Obviously couldn't afford the uniform. The clothes she wore on episode 1 was a pair she brought herself or something.

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* Obviously couldn't The wins explicitly stated that Haruhi can't afford the uniform. The clothes she wore on episode 1 was a pair she brought herself or something.
uniform is likely her dad's clothes.
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* Obviously couldn't afford the uniform. The clothes she wore on episode 1 were either a pair she brought herself or something.

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* Obviously couldn't afford the uniform. The clothes she wore on episode 1 were either a pair she brought herself or they were a hand-me-down.

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* Obviously couldn't afford the uniform. The clothes she wore on episode 1 were either a pair she brought herself or they were a hand-me-down.
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* Probably because of the yaoi and more [[AttemptedRape mature]] scenes. Don't want to that to your kids.

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* Probably because of the yaoi and more [[AttemptedRape mature]] scenes. Don't want to that to your kids.
*** [[MemeticMutation You know, for kids!]]
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* Probably because of the yaoi and more [[AttemptedRape mature]] scenes. Don't want to that to your kids.
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* She does eventually in the manga, considering she studies abroad in Boston. But given her dislike of being pulled along on strange schemes when all she really wants is a fun day at the beach anyway, why enable them to get even crazier?




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* Haruhi seems to think of herself as a third sibling to the twins more than anything else, and siblings (unfortunately...) manage to lick each other pretty often as a means of fighting or teasing. I'm more surprised her reaction wasn't just "ew, gross, get off" and leaving it there.




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* In my opinion, that scene was Kyoya buying into the twins' game of finding Haruhi's fears. He's known to play into the host club antics when he feels like it – see dressing in drag, literally any of the times he wears costumes or goes along with Tamaki's schemes – and he backs off pretty much as soon as she realizes she's not scared. Remember, it's ''Haruhi'' who suggests Kyoya is trying to drill in Tamaki's lesson, but he himself reminds her fifteen seconds earlier that he wasn't really worried. Was it tactless? Yes, but every now and then we as an audience see Kyoya play into his worst impulses. It probably just began as an ''"I wonder..."'' and he went from there.




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* She was already transitioning schools, so it may have just been a good time to try out shorter hair if she wanted it. That way if she hated it she could grow it back out, but she wouldn't have everyone saying "oh, wow, your pretty hair is all gone!" as tends to happen with long-haired girls who cut it short for any reason at all.





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\n** Seconding the above, re: Honey. It wasn't the blush, it was how closely Honey was suddenly looking at her. Mori also probably had an inkling based on how Haruhi called for help – boys are more inclined to wrestle it out than to call someone else to save them.




* I'm not certain if this is the reason in this case, but I will tell you a possible reason. Many people who have mixed nationalities and thus have two native languages are very careful not to mix them, much more so than people who just learned one of those as their second language. They were brought up with two languages equal but distinct, so they would naturally be less inclined to insert single words or sentences out of place just to sound cool, because they were taught that it is an improper thing to do. In fact, I am one such person, and while I can't say how others feel and think, I can say that I find the careless use of foreign words alongside native ones in a mix-and-match manner to be really annoying, and because of that I refuse to do it even if it might have benefits; assuming Tamaki is not completely different, there is a chance his reason is the same.

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* I'm not certain if this is the reason in this case, but I will tell you a possible reason. Many people who have mixed nationalities and thus have two native languages are very careful not to mix them, much more so than people who just learned one of those as their second language. They were brought up with two languages equal but distinct, so they would naturally be less inclined to insert single words or sentences out of place just to sound cool, because they were taught that it is an improper thing to do. In fact, I am one such person, and while I can't say how others feel and think, I can say that I find the careless use of foreign words alongside native ones in a mix-and-match manner to be really annoying, and because of that I refuse to do it even if it might have benefits; assuming Tamaki is not completely different, there is a chance his reason is the same.



** Right, but that was right after transferring – he had conversational Japanese, but Kyoya notes he's not fluent, so in moments of high emotion he'd be more inclined to rely on French than after a year or two living in Japan.




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* Speaking French also pushes students towards his backstory. Admittedly, they already know, but he doesn't know that and he's not going to go around advertising the fact that he's illegitimate.




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** Speaking as someone from a women's college, realistically they can't deny men the ability to visit campus regardless of the student's opinions because Lobelia probably has male faculty and staff and visiting parents/siblings. Also, the Zuka Club's more vocal members are the only ones we see with extreme misandric views, and they're explicitly supposed to be a crass parody of militant lesbians, so the straight girls at the school also probably are more excited about the men on campus than anything else. Finally, a woman played Lord Frederick as well – a play like that where women play all the roles is considered fairly subversive on that kind of campus even if the source content is pretty misogynistic.
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*** The "bastard" translation is more accurate to the sentiment, even if Tamaki doesn't swear directly. It's not rude in English to address someone directly, and it's stranger to address a peer by something ''other'' than their first name than it is to use their name. In Japanese, being more direct and so casual carries a lot more connotations, so Tamaki was intentionally doing away with any semblance of being polite when he said that – so in English, you can't simply have 'not polite,' it has to be changed to 'actively rude.'
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* More than that. People usually can't eat well if they're upset, so Haruhi eating a full meal was just another indication that nothing that had happened that day fazed her, even when the boys were clearly worried and wished that she'd thought to rely on them. The crab cracking is an audio reminder that she doesn't feel scared, worried, or even the least bit guilty that everyone else had been so scared for her – and justifiably scared, considering that she can't swim, and if Tamaki and the twins hadn't shown up she'd have been in real trouble. Tamaki's angry that Haruhi isn't treating it as the near-death experience it was when she scared everyone else half to death.
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** Three words: the merit scene.
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*** While the 'Jackass' comment was a bit jarring (yet still [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious]]), the "You bastard..." line is actually sort of justified considering the situation. Tamaki just walked in on [[spoiler: Haruhi, the girl he's in love with, and a half naked Kyoya standing next to a bed together]]. He probably jumped to conclusions (this IS Tamaki after all) and became angry thinking [[spoiler: Haruhi was about to be assaulted and by his best friend even]]. We all know that's not the case, but I digress. We already know Tamaki'd have no qualms against beating up anyone who hurt Haruhi, so swearing at the 'assailant' shouldn't be too out there.

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*** While the 'Jackass' comment was a bit jarring (yet still [[CrowningMomentOfFunny [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments hilarious]]), the "You bastard..." line is actually sort of justified considering the situation. Tamaki just walked in on [[spoiler: Haruhi, the girl he's in love with, and a half naked Kyoya standing next to a bed together]]. He probably jumped to conclusions (this IS Tamaki after all) and became angry thinking [[spoiler: Haruhi was about to be assaulted and by his best friend even]]. We all know that's not the case, but I digress. We already know Tamaki'd have no qualms against beating up anyone who hurt Haruhi, so swearing at the 'assailant' shouldn't be too out there.
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* Keeping in mind that his succession is somewhat in question as he was forced to live away from the main mansion by his grandmother, he has probably learned to downplay any use of French language or mannerisms.
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[[WMG:Why does Fuyumi Ohtori use "-san" on her younger brother, Kyoya?]]
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* Why does this bug you? It makes sense for his character. He's polite. Also, [[VicMignogna his dub voice actor]] doesn't like to swear in his roles and will try to find a way around it unless it's absolutely necessary for the story.

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* Why does this bug you? It makes sense for his character. He's polite. Also, [[VicMignogna [[Creator/VicMignogna his dub voice actor]] doesn't like to swear in his roles and will try to find a way around it unless it's absolutely necessary for the story.
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[[WMG: WordOfGod has stated that, if the first chapter was 10 pages shorter, then Kyoya would have been cut entirely.]]
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** [[GenderBlenderName Gender blender names]] are not uncommon in Japan because many Japanese names can be aurally neutral but visually gendered thanks to the language's relatively limited number of syllables and AlternateCharacterReading. Since nany common sounds can be represented by at least a dozen Kanji, some gendered, others not, so two names that sound the same when spoken can look quite different in writing.

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** [[GenderBlenderName Gender blender names]] {{Gender Blender Name}}s are not uncommon in Japan because many Japanese names can be aurally neutral but visually gendered thanks to the language's relatively limited number of syllables and AlternateCharacterReading. Since nany common sounds can be represented by at least a dozen Kanji, some gendered, others not, so two names that sound the same when spoken can look quite different in writing.



* There are two reasons for a {{Shoujo}} manga to be turned into an anime. The first is to advertise the manga. And the second is to give fans of the manga [[{{Bishounen}} attractive male characters]] (And attractive female characters depending on which [[FruitsBasket manga]] it is) that are in color and move which is much better than black and white still pictures.

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* There are two reasons for a {{Shoujo}} manga to be turned into an anime. The first is to advertise the manga. And the second is to give fans of the manga [[{{Bishounen}} attractive male characters]] (And attractive female characters depending on which [[FruitsBasket [[Manga/FruitsBasket manga]] it is) that are in color and move which is much better than black and white still pictures.
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* FridgeLogic implies that the uniform is not mandatory, otherwise Haruhi would have already been in trouble on her first day.
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* Of course he knows she's a girl. Haruhi did not enter Ouran under false pretenses. It's explicitly stated in the Manga that he knows exactly who she is and who her mother was. He's just open minded. Apparently she's covered under AintNoRule




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* Before anyone careers any further down this alley of conspiracy and paranoia and crashes into the [[EpilecticTrees]]

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**AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles, Don'cha know?
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*** Having just watched the episode, I can confirm it was cosplay for the new installment of the video game she's obsessed with (UkiDoki something or other).

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*Before anyone careers any further down this alley of conspiracy and paranoia and crashes into the [[EpilecticTrees]]
** Media companies don't set their own ratings.
** Ratings are always set for the series as whole, not individual episodes.
** Creators are at the mercy of whomever is on the ratings board at that point in time, for good or ill.
**YouShouldKnowThisAlready
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* I always figured it was to make them look like little old fashioned dolls, as well as their mother using them as mannequins.

[[WMG: If the Zuka Club hates men so much, why did they put on a play where the woman is as effectual as Princess Aurora?]]
Repeatedly you hear from the three primary Zuka Club members that men are just slime, inferior, scum, wastes of space, stupid, pigs, etc etc, but they put on a play where the woman's job is to sing a song and call out to her lover. Mihara and Benio both say the character doesn't speak much and is "more symbollic than anything", and it's clear Lord Frederick is the main character. The girl is no more than a LivingProp from the sound of it. If they really, really think men are that bad, why are there even male characters in their plays? In fact, the entire school seems remarkably full of misandry, so why were the Host Club and Haruhi's dad even allowed on campus?

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