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** Its not Joe's fault Vito didn't take the correct lesson from his fathers death. Rather than rightfully blaming the mob for ruining him, and unknown to him, actually killing his father, Vito decided he just wanted all the benefits of organized crime.

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** Its not Joe's fault Vito didn't take the correct lesson from his fathers father's death. Rather than rightfully blaming the mob for ruining him, and unknown to him, actually killing his father, Vito decided he just wanted all the benefits of organized crime.
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* Let me get this straight. In the ending [[spoiler: Joe is being driven off to get whacked and Vito is told as much.]] So Vito, [[OneManArmy who's gunned down dozens of mobsters at once, beaten up just as many with his bare hands, and taken out entire families]] just... sits there and does nothing instead of kicking ass out of the car and pulling a BigDamnHeroes moment?

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* Let me get this straight. In the ending [[spoiler: Joe [[spoiler:Joe is being driven off to get whacked and Vito is told as much.]] So Vito, [[OneManArmy who's gunned down dozens of mobsters at once, beaten up just as many with his bare hands, and taken out entire families]] just... sits there and does nothing instead of kicking ass out of the car and pulling a BigDamnHeroes moment?



*** Even if Vito can and Vito maybe ''could'' rescue Joe in that ''exact specific incident'' then he's back to being a hunted man with Joe also screwed. He chooses to let his friend die because there's no way to help him and help himself.

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*** Even if Vito can and Vito maybe ''could'' rescue Joe in that ''exact specific incident'' then he's back to being a hunted man with Joe also screwed. He chooses to let his friend die because there's no way to help him and help himself.himself.
* Why did Derek and Steve [[spoiler:kill Vito's dad anyway]]? Was it in relation to [[spoiler:his loan with Bruno]] or was there some trouble he was making at the docks?
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** Its not Joe's fault Vito didnt take the correct lesson from his fathers death. Rather than rightfully blaming the mob for ruining him, and unknown to him, actually killing his father, Vito decided he just wanted all the benefits of organized crime.

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** Its not Joe's fault Vito didnt didn't take the correct lesson from his fathers death. Rather than rightfully blaming the mob for ruining him, and unknown to him, actually killing his father, Vito decided he just wanted all the benefits of organized crime.
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** They do, all incoming and outgoing inmate mail is read and checked, both to prevent contraband and to make sure the inmates arent getting illegal information.

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** They do, all incoming and outgoing inmate mail is read and checked, both to prevent contraband and to make sure the inmates arent aren't getting illegal information.
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** "Empire Bay" is New York. Nobody GAS.
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** You do realize Vito's OneManArmy moments are only in gameplay terms, right? He didnt actually kill all of Falcone's men himself, he killed Falcone himself and maybe a handful of his guys. Storyline wise, there's nothing Vito can do trapped in a car with Leo, Wong and Vinci's men.

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** You do realize Vito's OneManArmy moments are only in gameplay terms, right? He didnt actually kill all of Falcone's men himself, he killed Falcone himself and maybe a handful of his guys. Storyline wise, there's nothing Vito can do trapped in a car with Leo, Wong and Vinci's men.men.
*** Even if Vito can and Vito maybe ''could'' rescue Joe in that ''exact specific incident'' then he's back to being a hunted man with Joe also screwed. He chooses to let his friend die because there's no way to help him and help himself.
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** They do, all incoming and outgoing inmate mail is read and checked, both to prevent contraband and to make sure the inmates arent getting illegal information.



** Its not Joe's fault Vito didnt take the correct lesson from his fathers death. Rather than rightfully blaming the mob for ruining him, and unknown to him, actually killing his father, Vito decided he just wanted all the benefits of organized crime.



** The way I see it, this is symbolic of what happens to Vito at that very moment. [[spoiler: Joe was the only friend he had left, hell the only one in his life left that he really cared about other than Leo.]] We find out what they plan to do with [[spoiler: Joe]] and Vito just has a sort of distant look in his eyes, the credits roll, we can't control him anymore. He's a broken man, the fight is out of him, pretty much no free will left. He has resigned himself to the hell that his life has become and there's nothing he can do about it that will fix things permanently.

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** The way I see it, this is symbolic of what happens to Vito at that very moment. [[spoiler: Joe was the only friend he had left, hell the only one in his life left that he really cared about other than Leo.]] We find out what they plan to do with [[spoiler: Joe]] and Vito just has a sort of distant look in his eyes, the credits roll, we can't control him anymore. He's a broken man, the fight is out of him, pretty much no free will left. He has resigned himself to the hell that his life has become and there's nothing he can do about it that will fix things permanently.permanently.
** You do realize Vito's OneManArmy moments are only in gameplay terms, right? He didnt actually kill all of Falcone's men himself, he killed Falcone himself and maybe a handful of his guys. Storyline wise, there's nothing Vito can do trapped in a car with Leo, Wong and Vinci's men.
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** The way I see it, this is symbolic of what happens to Vito at that very moment. [[spoiler: Joe was the only friend he had left, hell the only one in his life left that he really cared about other than Leo.]] We find out what they plan to do with [[spoiler: Joe]] and Vito just has a sort of distant look in his eyes, the credits roll, we can't control him anymore. He's a broken man, the fight is out of him, pretty much no free will left.

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** The way I see it, this is symbolic of what happens to Vito at that very moment. [[spoiler: Joe was the only friend he had left, hell the only one in his life left that he really cared about other than Leo.]] We find out what they plan to do with [[spoiler: Joe]] and Vito just has a sort of distant look in his eyes, the credits roll, we can't control him anymore. He's a broken man, the fight is out of him, pretty much no free will left. He has resigned himself to the hell that his life has become and there's nothing he can do about it that will fix things permanently.
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** Do you WANT Vito to start another war by killing Frank Vinci's men? He doesn't have much choice.

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** Do you WANT Vito to start another war by killing Frank Vinci's men? He doesn't have much choice.choice.
** The way I see it, this is symbolic of what happens to Vito at that very moment. [[spoiler: Joe was the only friend he had left, hell the only one in his life left that he really cared about other than Leo.]] We find out what they plan to do with [[spoiler: Joe]] and Vito just has a sort of distant look in his eyes, the credits roll, we can't control him anymore. He's a broken man, the fight is out of him, pretty much no free will left.
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* Let me get this straight. In the ending [[spoiler: Joe is being driven off to get whacked and Vito is told as much.]] So Vito, [[OneManArmy who's gunned down dozens of mobsters at once, beaten up just as many with his bare hands, and taken out entire families]] just... sits there and does nothing instead of kicking ass out of the car and pulling a BigDamnHeroes moment?

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* Let me get this straight. In the ending [[spoiler: Joe is being driven off to get whacked and Vito is told as much.]] So Vito, [[OneManArmy who's gunned down dozens of mobsters at once, beaten up just as many with his bare hands, and taken out entire families]] just... sits there and does nothing instead of kicking ass out of the car and pulling a BigDamnHeroes moment?moment?
** Do you WANT Vito to start another war by killing Frank Vinci's men? He doesn't have much choice.
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* Let me get this straight. In the ending [[spoiler: Joe is being driven off to get whacked and Vito is told as much.]] So Vito, [[OneManArmy who's gunned down dozens of mobsters at once, beaten up just as many with his bare hands, and taken out entire families]] just... sits there and does nothing instead of kicking ass out of the car and pulling a BigDamnHeroes moment?
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** Also, informant and operative are two completely different things. Just because he may have been leaking information for favors doesn't mean he was actually working ''for'' the Feds or had a specific mission.
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**[[spoiler:Henry was said to be with the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, not the FBI. The two organizations didn't work well together because of Hoover's insistence the Mafia did not exist. As for why, Henry may have been required to initiate the drug deal clandestinely because his superiors want information on the dealers in Empire Bay, and infiltrating Clemente or Falcone's gangs wasn't enough to be allowed access to this information, so Henry decided not to waste more time ingratiating himself to Falcone.]]
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** You can't really blame Joe for what happened to Vito's life, it's just that crime doesn't pay. Vito has always considered himself a criminal and frequently spouts lines on the page of "I'm not gonna do honest work for shitty pay like my father did". Vito would be a criminal with or without Joe. At least Joe allowed Vito to live the good life for a little bit...
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* After all of the bad decisions, and crap that Vito went through in the game, due to Joe, why didn't Vito just walk away from Joe, or at the very least, stop listening to him. If it was not for Joe, Vito would have had a better life.
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* Just the setting. There was so much potential, so many things you could've done, but all you do is just drive around to plotpoints. (sure you can buy weapons, cars, and clothes, but that's it.) A review said it best, "If the producers wanted this format, why didn't they just write a book or make a movie? 'Cause what I'm getting here is a plot that was meant to be something else, but was forced to be in a videogame."
** I could not agree with you more. Too much driving, too much emphasis on "interactive drama." It reminds me of a significantly more flawed Assassin's Creed 1 (replace unskippable-cutscenes with inconvenient checkpoints that force driving) and that atleast gave you the option of massive exploration (which Mafia II is unable to do with it's attachment to realism). If I had paid full price for it (I paid 7.50)....I would have been quite upset.
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Removing the last two entries, as they, at best, belong elsewhere
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**He probably wasn't really an [[spoiler:informant]] and that guy is lying?
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** What are they going to do to a man in a business suit carrying 10 different guns? Call the police? Well, if they did you can just imagine the police cars showing up are there because of those people.
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* Just the setting. There was so much potential, so many things you could've done, but all you do is just drive around to plotpoints. (sure you can buy weapons, cars, and clothes, but that's it.) A review said it best, "If the producers wanted this format, why didn't they just write a book or make a movie? 'Cause what I'm getting here is a plot that was meant to be something else, but was forced to be in a videogame."

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* Just the setting. There was so much potential, so many things you could've done, but all you do is just drive around to plotpoints. (sure you can buy weapons, cars, and clothes, but that's it.) A review said it best, "If the producers wanted this format, why didn't they just write a book or make a movie? 'Cause what I'm getting here is a plot that was meant to be something else, but was forced to be in a videogame.""
**I could not agree with you more. Too much driving, too much emphasis on "interactive drama." It reminds me of a significantly more flawed Assassin's Creed 1 (replace unskippable-cutscenes with inconvenient checkpoints that force driving) and that atleast gave you the option of massive exploration (which Mafia II is unable to do with it's attachment to realism). If I had paid full price for it (I paid 7.50)....I would have been quite upset.
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** Unless you're an idiot trying to park your jalopy in Joe's garage, you should have no problems.
* [[spoiler:Why would Henry, a FBI informant, start his own drug dealing operation behind his boss's back? FridgeLogic kicks in here: he gains nothing from it and instead of keeping in line and focusing on the power players, he merrily pisses the Don off and rolls around with two nobodies.]]

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