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* What's with the lyrics of [[VillainSong The Noble Haltmann]]? The rhyming is good, but each line has too few syllables. Why?
** The lyrics to ''Galaxy Famous Haltmann'' probably work better?
** First Explanation: The song was written with Japanese lyrics in mind, thus no translation will be a perfect fit.
** Second Explanation: One syllable can extend over several notes.
* [[spoiler:How did Meta Knight unmechanize himself, especially considering the fact that his insides seem to have been replaced with a giant claw hand]]?
** The claw arm and mask were both destroyed after you defeated him for the final time, so all he would've needed was to remove the missile launchers from his wings and regain his old armor. It's also possible that Susie was unconscious for longer than the cutscenes implied, which would give Meta Knight enough time to get the Halberd up and running and fly back to the Access Ark to rendezvous with Kirby.
** Yes, but that would still leave a gaping hole in his back. And I'm fairly certain that the claw isn't going to fit in that tiny disc.
** My guess is that the wings/missile launcher combo was just a mechanical addition to his own wingset, hence why it all protruded from his back, with its circuitry being connected to his nerves (somehow) to allow him to control it. Having all of that disconnected so swiftly would probably lead to some injury back there, but Meta Knight's never struck me as the kind of person to let something so minor keep him from protecting the peace. And once Star Dream is destroyed, all of the mechanization it caused is undone anyway, which would remove any of the mechanical upgrades he might've failed to uninstall on his own.
** Well, almost. Some areas of Popstar still show hints of mechanization, even in Star Allies.
* Exactly how is Susie in ''Planet Robobot'' considered a villain? She only made attempts to kill Kirby while working for President Haltmann - [[AffablyEvil and even then, she was pretty polite to him]] - and WordOfGod is that the only reason she's working for Haltmann is because [[spoiler: he doesn't recognize her as his daughter. Once she manages to get ahold of Star Dream's program controller, she never displays any signs of ill will toward Kirby, even if she is a little condescending, and she even gives him a mech suit to help him destroy Star Dream later on. As someone who knows her backstory, it seemed to me like she was just forced into some miserable circumstances and tried to take the first opportunity to free herself from them, and hadn't expected it to backfire so horribly.]]
** PragmaticVillainy. If Susie didn't give Kirby a mech, Star Dream would have destroyed everything. Also, she still takes part in the invasion of Popstar, tries to destroy Kirby by herself and [[spoiler:has Meta Knight mechanised.]]
* Was there any reasoning or motive behind Star Dream screwing Susie over so many times, or was it meant to be taken as colossally bad luck for her? For starters, it trapped her inside another dimension when she was just a child, although supplementary material does label that event as an accident. But then when Haltmann tried to get her back, Star Dream erased his memories of her instead, so that he didn’t recognize her once she did return. Then it drafts up a business plan where Susie is the stakeholder for the invasion of Planet Popstar, which gets her fired when Kirby proves to be too much for her, before finally zapping her unconscious when she steals its program controller and tries to use it for herself. I know it’s supposed to be just a computer, but this many catastrophes befalling a single person who didn’t deserve them seems hard to just brush aside as mere happenstance.
** Star Dream causing problems for Susie throughout her life seems to be mostly a result of its incomplete nature messing up Haltmann's mind, rather than the computer itself being malevolent from the start. Her being sent to Another Dimension was an accident during an early test, given that it wasn't sentient at the time. Star Dream also didn't intentionally erase Haltmann's memories; it seems more like it was a side effect of Haltmann continuing to use Star Dream's program controller to bring back Susie while the machine was in an incomplete state, which screwed with his brain. For all we know, Star Dream didn't just target the memories of Susie specifically, it could've made Haltmann forget several things about himself aside from being the CEO of a huge intergalactic company; after all, he did lose the ability to feel compassion for others. As for the Haltmann Works Company's invasion of Popstar, my impression was that Star Dream drafted the plan to mechanize other planets based on ''Haltmann's'' desires for "eternal prosperity" for his company, which was the result of him being warped due to Star Dream slowly driving him mad. However, it blasting Susie when she puts the controller on her head is definitely intentional, since Star Dream has already absorbed Haltmann's soul by that point and gained sentience of its own. Basically, Star Dream did cause problems, but rather than actively trying to spite either of the Haltmanns, it basically set off a dominoes-of-doom effect because of it's malfunctions.



** Grunts are pretty generic, so it makes sense they could only be authorized to use the bare minimum of the suit's capabilities. Kirby, however, is actually a skilled technician, as mentioned in his SuperSmashBrosMelee trophy description, though it's weird that he's just now revealing the extent of his knowledge of machinery and robotics. As for the Robobot's Copy Scan, the armor could've malfunctioned and accidentally unlocked it's scanning ability after the beatdown Kirby initially laid upon the Invader Armor.

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** Grunts are pretty generic, so it makes sense they could only be authorized to use the bare minimum of the suit's capabilities. Kirby, however, is actually a skilled technician, as mentioned in his SuperSmashBrosMelee ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosMelee'' trophy description, though it's weird that he's just now revealing the extent of his knowledge of machinery and robotics. As for the Robobot's Copy Scan, the armor could've malfunctioned and accidentally unlocked it's scanning ability after the beatdown Kirby initially laid upon the Invader Armor.



** It's also debatable that he still remembers having had a daughter -- he only mentions her in the boss description for one of the later fights with Star Dream. The way he's seen throughout most of the game, he just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would want to have a child, even if he does have one that he just can't remember. The Haltmann that Susie's accustomed to dealing with would probably come up with any reason to deny having had a daughter, and she's not really in a position to argue at length with him, considering how curt he is when he terminates her. The man probably has some sort of security bots that he could summon to remove her the minute she starts to aggravate him, and then Susie's left not only homeless but jobless, as well.

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** It's also debatable that he still remembers having had a daughter -- he only mentions her in the boss description for one of the later fights with Star Dream. The way he's seen throughout most of the game, he just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would want to have a child, even if he does have one that he just can't remember. The Haltmann that Susie's accustomed to dealing with would probably come up with any reason to deny having had a daughter, and she's not really in a position to argue at length with him, considering how curt he is when he terminates her. The man probably has some sort of security bots that he could summon to remove her the minute she starts to aggravate him, and then Susie's left not only homeless but jobless, as well.well.
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* What, exactly, is up with the background in [[spoiler:the final area in The True Arena? There are shifting maroon triangles on a red background, black rectangles with mysterious white objects in them, and some form of pitch-black map in the background. Is this supposed to represent Star Dream's internal breakdown, or what?]]
** Why are you asking for a background to be explained, of all things? Most likely, it was given a more edgy look to make it more dramatic for the final parts of the challenge.
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** It's also debatable that he still remembers having had a daughter -- he only mentions her in the boss description for one of the later fights with Star Dream. The way he's seen throughout most of the game, he just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would want to have a child, even if he does have one that he just can't remember. The Haltmann that Susie's accustomed to dealing with would probably come up with any reason to deny having had a daughter, and she's not really in a position to argue at length with him, considering how curt he is when he terminates her.

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** It's also debatable that he still remembers having had a daughter -- he only mentions her in the boss description for one of the later fights with Star Dream. The way he's seen throughout most of the game, he just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would want to have a child, even if he does have one that he just can't remember. The Haltmann that Susie's accustomed to dealing with would probably come up with any reason to deny having had a daughter, and she's not really in a position to argue at length with him, considering how curt he is when he terminates her. The man probably has some sort of security bots that he could summon to remove her the minute she starts to aggravate him, and then Susie's left not only homeless but jobless, as well.
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** She might've hated Star Dream for what it did to her, so she at least wants to get rid of it. Perhaps she thinks her father is too attached to it?

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** She might've hated Star Dream for what it did to her, so she at least wants to get rid of it. Perhaps she thinks her father is too attached to it?it?
** It's also debatable that he still remembers having had a daughter -- he only mentions her in the boss description for one of the later fights with Star Dream. The way he's seen throughout most of the game, he just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would want to have a child, even if he does have one that he just can't remember. The Haltmann that Susie's accustomed to dealing with would probably come up with any reason to deny having had a daughter, and she's not really in a position to argue at length with him, considering how curt he is when he terminates her.
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* Why didn't Susie just try confronting Haltmann with the knowledge that he was her father? He still remembers he once had a daughter, but just doesn't recognize that that daughter is her - and she would have to know things about him that only someone close to him could've known, so there were ways of backing up the claim. Why spend so much time scheming to overthrow him and sell off his company's technology when you can just tell him who you are?

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* Why didn't Susie just try confronting Haltmann with the knowledge that he was her father? He still remembers he once had a daughter, but just doesn't recognize that that daughter is her - and she would have to know things about him that only someone close to him could've known, so there were ways of backing up the claim. Why spend so much time scheming to overthrow him and sell off his company's technology when you can just tell him who you are?are?
** She might've hated Star Dream for what it did to her, so she at least wants to get rid of it. Perhaps she thinks her father is too attached to it?
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** It's possible that her mech suit wasn't designed by the mother computer. Notice how before world 5's boss, she mumbles "I suppose the mother computer isn't perfect, after all..." after noting the defeat of Mecha Knight, the last boss. Susie herself fought Kirby in her mech suit the world before that, and yet, makes no such comment before Mecha Knight's fight.
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** Grunts are pretty generic, so it makes sense they could only be authorized to use the bare minimum of the suit's capabilities. Kirby, however, is actually a skilled technician, as mentioned in his SuperSmashBrosMelee trophy description, though it's weird that he's just now revealing the extent of his knowledge of machinery and robotics. As for the Robobot's Copy Scan, the armor could've malfunctioned and accidentally unlocked it's scanning ability after the beatdown Kirby initially laid upon the Invader Armor.

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** Grunts are pretty generic, so it makes sense they could only be authorized to use the bare minimum of the suit's capabilities. Kirby, however, is actually a skilled technician, as mentioned in his SuperSmashBrosMelee trophy description, though it's weird that he's just now revealing the extent of his knowledge of machinery and robotics. As for the Robobot's Copy Scan, the armor could've malfunctioned and accidentally unlocked it's scanning ability after the beatdown Kirby initially laid upon the Invader Armor.Armor.
* Why didn't Susie just try confronting Haltmann with the knowledge that he was her father? He still remembers he once had a daughter, but just doesn't recognize that that daughter is her - and she would have to know things about him that only someone close to him could've known, so there were ways of backing up the claim. Why spend so much time scheming to overthrow him and sell off his company's technology when you can just tell him who you are?
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** Grunts are pretty generic, so it makes sense they could only be authorized to use the bare minimum of the suit's capabilities. Kirby, however, likely just pushed buttons hoping to make something happen. I mean, this is Kirby we're talking about, and he's a toddler. This is like one of those activity center toys for him. However, that doesn't explain how he gets used to it so quickly.

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** Grunts are pretty generic, so it makes sense they could only be authorized to use the bare minimum of the suit's capabilities. Kirby, however, likely just pushed buttons hoping to make something happen. I mean, this is Kirby we're talking about, and actually a skilled technician, as mentioned in his SuperSmashBrosMelee trophy description, though it's weird that he's a toddler. This is like one just now revealing the extent of those activity center toys his knowledge of machinery and robotics. As for him. However, that doesn't explain how he gets used to it so quickly.the Robobot's Copy Scan, the armor could've malfunctioned and accidentally unlocked it's scanning ability after the beatdown Kirby initially laid upon the Invader Armor.
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** They did destroy the castle in the first place, so when they likely for a warrior to clone, and found Dedede unconscious in his castle, and said "yeah, this guy looks tough, let's use him."



* Why did the HWC design its mech suits to adapt to the person piloting them? Every time you come across one, it's being controlled by the same generic grunt enemy. Pres. Haltmann and Susie seem to be the only organic members of the company, and they each have their own personal mech suits. It seems the only reason the generic Robobot armor has adaptive technology is so it can mimic Kirby's copy abilities.

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* Why did the HWC design its mech suits to adapt to the person piloting them? Every time you come across one, it's being controlled by the same generic grunt enemy. Pres. Haltmann and Susie seem to be the only organic members of the company, and they each have their own personal mech suits. It seems the only reason the generic Robobot armor has adaptive technology is so it can mimic Kirby's copy abilities.abilities.
** Grunts are pretty generic, so it makes sense they could only be authorized to use the bare minimum of the suit's capabilities. Kirby, however, likely just pushed buttons hoping to make something happen. I mean, this is Kirby we're talking about, and he's a toddler. This is like one of those activity center toys for him. However, that doesn't explain how he gets used to it so quickly.
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** Why would the destruction of Star Dream undo the effects it had had on Popstar, but not any of its other creations?

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** Why would the destruction of Star Dream undo the effects it had had on Popstar, but not any of its other creations?creations?
* Why did the HWC design its mech suits to adapt to the person piloting them? Every time you come across one, it's being controlled by the same generic grunt enemy. Pres. Haltmann and Susie seem to be the only organic members of the company, and they each have their own personal mech suits. It seems the only reason the generic Robobot armor has adaptive technology is so it can mimic Kirby's copy abilities.
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** Why are you asking for a background to be explained, of all things? Most likely, it was given a more edgy look to make it more dramatic for the final parts of the challenge.
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** But how could they know he was there?
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** Their mech suit is not part of mechanization of Popstar and she (and I guess Pres. Haltmann too) would have spare mech suits in case one breaks.

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** Their mech suit is not part of mechanization of Popstar and she (and I guess Pres. Haltmann too) would have spare mech suits in case one breaks.breaks.
** Why would the destruction of Star Dream undo the effects it had had on Popstar, but not any of its other creations?

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* If all of the mechanization created by Star Dream was undone after the final boss battle, how was Susie's mech suit left intact for her to use it to depart from Popstar?

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** They could easily just take some gene samples of him while he's still unconscious under those rubbles.
* If all of the mechanization created by Star Dream was undone after the final boss battle, how was Susie's mech suit left intact for her to use it to depart from Popstar?Popstar?
** Their mech suit is not part of mechanization of Popstar and she (and I guess Pres. Haltmann too) would have spare mech suits in case one breaks.
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* Susie says that Dedede Clone was made using "the latest in nanogenetic technology", yet in the ending cutscene, the real King Dedede breaks free from the rubble of his castle and yawns, like he's been trapped underneath there the entire game. So how were the Haltmanns able to clone him, if he was? Did they unearth his unconscious body, take a genetic sample for the cloning, then go to the trouble of burying him again? Why not just use the real Dedede?

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* Susie says that Dedede Clone was made using "the latest in nanogenetic technology", yet in the ending cutscene, the real King Dedede breaks free from the rubble of his castle and yawns, like he's been trapped underneath there the entire game. So how were the Haltmanns able to clone him, if he was? Did they unearth his unconscious body, take a genetic sample for the cloning, then go to the trouble of burying him again? Why not just use the real Dedede?Dedede?
* If all of the mechanization created by Star Dream was undone after the final boss battle, how was Susie's mech suit left intact for her to use it to depart from Popstar?
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* Susie says that Dedede Clone was made using "the latest in nanogenetic technology", yet in the ending cutscene, the real King Dedede breaks free from the rubble of his castle and yawns, like he's been trapped underneath there the entire game. So how were the Haltmanns able to clone him, if he was? Did they unearth his unconscious body, take a genetic sample for the cloning, then go to the trouble of burying it again? Why not just use the real Dedede?

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* Susie says that Dedede Clone was made using "the latest in nanogenetic technology", yet in the ending cutscene, the real King Dedede breaks free from the rubble of his castle and yawns, like he's been trapped underneath there the entire game. So how were the Haltmanns able to clone him, if he was? Did they unearth his unconscious body, take a genetic sample for the cloning, then go to the trouble of burying it him again? Why not just use the real Dedede?
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* Why is Kirby the only resident of Popstar who appears to be resisting the invaders? I know Meta Knight was captured and mechanized by them, but King Dedede was just buried by the rubble from his castle, and Waddle Dee is able to find healing items for Kirby before the boss - why can't they do more to help? Susie and Pres. Haltmann both seem to view the planet's natives as obstacles in their plans for occupation, even though most of them seem pretty okay with assimilating and, once again, Kirby is the only one who seems to actively fight against them.

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* Why is Kirby Susie says that Dedede Clone was made using "the latest in nanogenetic technology", yet in the only resident of Popstar who appears to be resisting ending cutscene, the invaders? I know Meta Knight was captured and mechanized by them, but real King Dedede was just buried by breaks free from the rubble from of his castle, castle and Waddle Dee is yawns, like he's been trapped underneath there the entire game. So how were the Haltmanns able to find healing items for Kirby before the boss - why can't clone him, if he was? Did they do more to help? Susie and Pres. Haltmann both seem to view unearth his unconscious body, take a genetic sample for the planet's natives as obstacles in their plans for occupation, even though most of them seem pretty okay with assimilating and, once again, Kirby is cloning, then go to the only one who seems to actively fight against them.trouble of burying it again? Why not just use the real Dedede?

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* Why is Kirby the only resident of Popstar who appears to be resisting the invaders? I know Meta Knight was captured and mechanized by them, but King Deedeedee was just buried by the rubble from his castle, and Waddle Dee is able to find healing items for Kirby before the boss - why can't they do more to help? Susie and Pres. Haltmann both seem to view the planet's natives as obstacles in their plans for occupation, even though most of them seem pretty okay with assimilating and, once again, Kirby is the only one who seems to actively fight against them.

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**[[spoiler: She might have either not know that or was hoping Kirby would beat Star Dream and she could keep the Ark.]]
* Why is Kirby the only resident of Popstar who appears to be resisting the invaders? I know Meta Knight was captured and mechanized by them, but King Deedeedee Dedede was just buried by the rubble from his castle, and Waddle Dee is able to find healing items for Kirby before the boss - why can't they do more to help? Susie and Pres. Haltmann both seem to view the planet's natives as obstacles in their plans for occupation, even though most of them seem pretty okay with assimilating and, once again, Kirby is the only one who seems to actively fight against them.
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* [[spoiler: If Star Dream needs to fuse with the Access Ark in order to eradicate the universe's organic life, why didn't Susie just tell Kirby to destroy the then-undefended ark instead of flying off to fight the computer?]]

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* [[spoiler: If Star Dream needs to fuse with the Access Ark in order to eradicate the universe's organic life, why didn't Susie just tell Kirby to destroy the then-undefended ark instead of flying off to fight the computer?]]computer?]]
* Why is Kirby the only resident of Popstar who appears to be resisting the invaders? I know Meta Knight was captured and mechanized by them, but King Deedeedee was just buried by the rubble from his castle, and Waddle Dee is able to find healing items for Kirby before the boss - why can't they do more to help? Susie and Pres. Haltmann both seem to view the planet's natives as obstacles in their plans for occupation, even though most of them seem pretty okay with assimilating and, once again, Kirby is the only one who seems to actively fight against them.
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* [[spoiler: If Star Dream needs to fuse with the Access Ark in order to eradicate the universe's organic life, why didn't Susie just tell Kirby to destroy the ark instead of flying off to fight the computer?]]

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* [[spoiler: If Star Dream needs to fuse with the Access Ark in order to eradicate the universe's organic life, why didn't Susie just tell Kirby to destroy the then-undefended ark instead of flying off to fight the computer?]]
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* What, exactly, is up with the background in [[spoiler:the final area in The True Arena? There are shifting maroon triangles on a red background, black rectangles with mysterious white objects in them, and some form of pitch-black map in the background. Is this supposed to represent Star Dream's internal breakdown, or what?]]

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* What, exactly, is up with the background in [[spoiler:the final area in The True Arena? There are shifting maroon triangles on a red background, black rectangles with mysterious white objects in them, and some form of pitch-black map in the background. Is this supposed to represent Star Dream's internal breakdown, or what?]]what?]]
* [[spoiler: If Star Dream needs to fuse with the Access Ark in order to eradicate the universe's organic life, why didn't Susie just tell Kirby to destroy the ark instead of flying off to fight the computer?]]
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** The being it turns into is [[spoiler:more feminine]]. Given multiple WordOfGod statements, it's likely that [[spoiler:this is what Sectonia looked like before she got the Dimension Mirror]].

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** The being it turns into is [[spoiler:more feminine]]. Given multiple WordOfGod statements, it's likely that [[spoiler:this is what Sectonia looked like before she got the Dimension Mirror]].Mirror]].
* What, exactly, is up with the background in [[spoiler:the final area in The True Arena? There are shifting maroon triangles on a red background, black rectangles with mysterious white objects in them, and some form of pitch-black map in the background. Is this supposed to represent Star Dream's internal breakdown, or what?]]
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* When you defeat [[spoiler: The Queen Sectonia clone]] in ''Meta Knightmare Returns'', why does it turn into [[spoiler: Taranza]] in the last second before it dies?

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* When you defeat [[spoiler: The Queen Sectonia clone]] in ''Meta Knightmare Returns'', why does it turn into [[spoiler: Taranza]] in the last second before it dies?dies?
** The being it turns into is [[spoiler:more feminine]]. Given multiple WordOfGod statements, it's likely that [[spoiler:this is what Sectonia looked like before she got the Dimension Mirror]].
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* When you defeat [[spoiler: The Queen Sectonia clone]] in ''Meta Knightmare Returns'', why does it turn into [[spoiler: Taranza]] in the last second before it dies?

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