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* This is something I just realized, but how is Joseph so surprised that Lisa Lisa is a better fighter than him when she literally coached him in the ways of Hamon?

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* This is something I just realized, but how is Joseph so surprised that Lisa Lisa is a better fighter than him when she literally coached him in the ways of Hamon?Hamon?
** I think there's a clear difference between teaching something and demonstrating it. While Joseph undoubtedly knew that Lisa Lisa was more knowledgeable than him when it came to Hamon, I don't think he'd ever seen her use it in a fight until the fight with Wired Beck. Also his shock wasn't just that she was a better fighter than him, it was that her skill in battling zombies and vampires was better than anything he'd ever seen before.
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** You need breath to use Hamon. Not a lot to breath in space.

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** You need breath to use Hamon. Not a lot to breath in space.space.
* This is something I just realized, but how is Joseph so surprised that Lisa Lisa is a better fighter than him when she literally coached him in the ways of Hamon?
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*** It seemed to be implied it was workable but somewhat flawed. Joseph wanted to get Stroheim himself to improve it but by then the US was about to enter WW2 so it was nigh impossible for an American meet up with a German officer in a friendly manner. And obviously they never met again as a result of the war.

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*** It seemed to be implied it was workable but somewhat flawed. Joseph wanted to get Stroheim himself to improve it but by then the US was about to enter WW2 [=WW2=] so it was nigh impossible for an American meet up with a German officer in a friendly manner. And obviously they never met again as a result of the war.
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** If they’re smart enough to figure out how to speak an entire language just by listening to a few conversations, then it’s not much of a stretch to think they can intuit how another language at least partially descended from Latin works after hearing it.
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* Why didn't Kars think to use Hamon to thaw himself when his body froze in space? Sure it would hurt like all fuck given how strong his Hamon is, but he was functionally deathless at that point so he could've healed and then tried to fly back to Earth the old-fashioned way.

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* Why didn't Kars think to use Hamon to thaw himself when his body froze in space? Sure it would hurt like all fuck given how strong his Hamon is, but he was functionally deathless at that point so he could've healed and then tried to fly back to Earth the old-fashioned way.way.
** You need breath to use Hamon. Not a lot to breath in space.
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** If you're asking why they look like they're made of steel, remember that Kars and his family are capable of manipulating their bodies however they desire. It's not implausible that Kars is just reinforcing his bones with iron to make the blades more sword-like.
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** The specific location of the final battle is Isola di Volgano, or Vulcano, an island off the coast of Sicily. If you were to google pictures of it, you'll see that the terrain is similar to where they were.

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* It's explained that the Pillar Men learned modern languages by listening to their human captors speak. This explanation works [[FridgeLogic until you squint at it]] and realize that the Pillar Men were being held by the Nazis, who're German. So where'd they learn all the English they're presumably speaking?

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* It's explained that the Pillar Men learned modern languages by listening to their human captors speak. This explanation works [[FridgeLogic until you squint at it]] and realize that the Pillar Men were being held by the Nazis, who're German. So where'd they learn all the English they're presumably speaking?speaking?
* Why didn't Kars think to use Hamon to thaw himself when his body froze in space? Sure it would hurt like all fuck given how strong his Hamon is, but he was functionally deathless at that point so he could've healed and then tried to fly back to Earth the old-fashioned way.
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*** Of all the pillarmen, Esidisi had an affinity for heat, and his internal organs such as his brain must have been adapted to withstand extreme temperatures in order to even use his mode. It's possible this offers him some limited resistance to the sun, at least for a short period of time.
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** Kars was able to engineer the stone masks, devices designed to pierce a pillarman's skull and stimulate their brain in just such a way that they unlock new abilities. It's not unreasonable to think he was just as capable of designing stone masks or even weapons capable of damaging them through brain trauma instead of empowering them.
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*** That's the point of the Hell Climb Pillar: you need absolute mastery of Hamon to beat it. Hence you're supposed to learn how to sustain yourself with it, or fail.

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*** That's the point of the Hell Climb Pillar: you need absolute mastery of Hamon to beat it. Hence you're supposed to learn how to sustain yourself with it, or fail.fail.
* It's explained that the Pillar Men learned modern languages by listening to their human captors speak. This explanation works [[FridgeLogic until you squint at it]] and realize that the Pillar Men were being held by the Nazis, who're German. So where'd they learn all the English they're presumably speaking?
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** [[ArtisticLicenseGeography Artistic License - Geography]]
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* In Phantom Tendency it's said by Straizo that steel despite being good for conducting Hamon is bad at storing it, yet Joseph's clackers got infused with Hamon energy, and later a steel ball he launches out of a crossbow did as well. Shouldn't the Hamon have dissipated quite shortly after Joseph stopped touching them?

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* In Phantom Tendency Blood it's said by Straizo that steel despite being good for conducting Hamon is bad at storing it, yet Joseph's clackers got infused with Hamon energy, and later a steel ball he launches out of a crossbow did as well. Shouldn't the Hamon have dissipated quite shortly after Joseph stopped touching them?
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**They're literally called [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Brilliant Bone Blades]]
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* How did Kars manage to kill the other members of his race? They are only weak to sunlight and the ripple, but they can just turn to stone to avoid dying from the former and Kars couldn't use the latter until the end of Part 2.

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* How did Kars manage to kill the other members of his race? They are only weak to sunlight and the ripple, but they can just turn to stone to avoid dying from the former and Kars Kars couldn't use the latter until the end of Part 2.



** Easy, Kars is still a vampire and therefore takes +3d8 worth of damage on contact with fire and +5 Armor Class against cold damage; lava would probably cap it out to a solid 24. In all seriousness, intense heat has far more destructive potential compared to intense cold, and lava is insanely destructive. Kars is also still vampiric, and while he became the Ultimate Being and immune to sunlight, fire might still be a sore spot for him, if only psychologically; ACDC seems to have been the only Pillar Man who has complete immunity to intense heat, and he was almost as old as Kars, with a lot of time to experiment and develop that power set. Kars may also have been concerned that, if he didn’t escape soon, the weight of the lava plus a cycle of rapid damage/healing would keep him pinned in the Earth forever.

* In Phantom Tendency it's said by Straizo that steel despite being good to conduct Hamon is bad at storing it, yet Joseph's clackers got infused with Hamon energy, and later a steel ball he launches out of a crossbow did as well. Shouldn't the Hamon have dissipated quite shortly after Joseph stopped touching them?

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** Easy, Kars is still a vampire and therefore takes +3d8 worth of damage on contact with fire and +5 Armor Class against cold damage; lava would probably cap it out to a solid 24. In all seriousness, intense heat has far more destructive potential compared to intense cold, and lava is insanely destructive. Kars is also still vampiric, and while he became the Ultimate Being and immune to sunlight, fire might still be a sore spot for him, if only psychologically; ACDC Esidisi seems to have been the only Pillar Man who has complete immunity to intense heat, and he was almost as old as Kars, with a lot of time to experiment and develop that power set. Kars may also have been concerned that, if he didn’t escape soon, the weight of the lava plus a cycle of rapid damage/healing would keep him pinned in the Earth forever.

* In Phantom Tendency it's said by Straizo that steel despite being good to conduct for conducting Hamon is bad at storing it, yet Joseph's clackers got infused with Hamon energy, and later a steel ball he launches out of a crossbow did as well. Shouldn't the Hamon have dissipated quite shortly after Joseph stopped touching them?



*** It seemed to be implied it was workable but somewhat flawed and Joseph wanted to get Stroheim himself to improve it but by then the US was about to enter WW2 so it was nigh impossible for an American meet up with a German officer in a friendly manner. And obviously they never met again as a result of the war.
** The Speedwagon foundation retrofitted Stroheim with UV Floodlights and took part to his second restoration (with Stroheim claiming his leg felt more stiff). That means that a. Nazi scientists and Speedwagon's foundation ones, under duress, cooperated to help Stroheim reach and save Joseph, b. Speedwagon foundation is able to effortlessly build and maintain copies of Stroheim's body parts, albeit of lesser quality (Stroheim's stiff leg, Joseph's clicky, creaky hand) and c. both parties kept in touch during the Pillar Men Crisis, but had to go separate ways when the World War II hit with full gale. Hence Joseph was recovered by Speedwagon's men, they asked the german scientists for help, they sent the blueprints for a fully working hand because Joseph was a an american/british man, potentially an enemy soldier but was still a heroic young man risking his life for all mankind but they couldn't finetune it. Joseph wanted to meet again with Stroheim, tell him about his life and get the hand finetuned (like the German scientists did with Stroheim's new legs), but then USA went to war and Stroheim went to die in Stalingrad and Joseph was stuck with the inferior grade, less tuned prosthetic for life.

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*** It seemed to be implied it was workable but somewhat flawed and flawed. Joseph wanted to get Stroheim himself to improve it but by then the US was about to enter WW2 so it was nigh impossible for an American meet up with a German officer in a friendly manner. And obviously they never met again as a result of the war.
** The Speedwagon foundation retrofitted Stroheim with UV Floodlights and took part to his second restoration (with Stroheim claiming his leg felt more stiff). That means that a. Nazi scientists and Speedwagon's foundation ones, under duress, cooperated to help Stroheim reach and save Joseph, b. The Speedwagon foundation is able to effortlessly build and maintain copies of Stroheim's body parts, albeit of lesser quality (Stroheim's stiff leg, Joseph's clicky, creaky hand) and c. both parties kept in touch during the Pillar Men Crisis, but had to go separate ways when the World War II hit with full gale. Hence after Joseph was recovered by Speedwagon's men, they asked the german German scientists for help, they sent the blueprints for a fully working hand because Joseph was a an american/british American/British man, potentially an enemy soldier but was still a heroic young man risking his life for all mankind but they couldn't finetune it. Joseph wanted to meet again with Stroheim, tell him about his life and get the hand finetuned (like the German scientists did with Stroheim's new legs), but then the USA went to war and Stroheim went to die in Stalingrad and Joseph was stuck with the inferior grade, less tuned prosthetic for life.
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* Speaking of Stroheim, why does he have a sight on his machine gun on his abs, where it would do no good, and would be redundant when he has one as a monocle?

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* Speaking of Stroheim, why does he have a sight on his machine gun on embedded in his abs, where it would do no good, and would be redundant when he has one as a monocle?



* How did Cars manage to kill the other members of his race? They are only weak to sunlight and the ripple, but they can just turn to stone to avoid dying from the former and Cars couldn't use the latter until the end of Part 2.

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* How did Cars Kars manage to kill the other members of his race? They are only weak to sunlight and the ripple, but they can just turn to stone to avoid dying from the former and Cars Kars couldn't use the latter until the end of Part 2.



** It's mentioned that Kar's blades are made from bones. The only reason they don't break when cutting through substances harder than bone is because of the tiny blades moving across their edges.

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** It's mentioned that Kar's Kars’ blades are made from bones. The only reason they don't break when cutting through substances harder than bone is because of the tiny blades moving across their edges.
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*** Well, we've seen hamon been able to predict the future before (Tonpetty seeing Zeppelli's future). Maybe Joseph was unconsciously using that ability.

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*** Well, we've seen hamon been Hamon is able to predict the future before (Tonpetty seeing Zeppelli's future). Maybe Joseph was unconsciously using that ability.



* In Phantom Tendency it's said by Straizo that steel despite being good to conduce hamon is bad to store it, yet Joseph's clackers did mantain his hamon energy inside just as that steel ball he threw with the crossbow did. Shouldn't them have lost the hamon quite shortly after Joseph stopped touching them?

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* In Phantom Tendency it's said by Straizo that steel despite being good to conduce hamon conduct Hamon is bad to store at storing it, yet Joseph's clackers did mantain his hamon energy inside just as that got infused with Hamon energy, and later a steel ball he threw with the launches out of a crossbow did. did as well. Shouldn't them the Hamon have lost the hamon dissipated quite shortly after Joseph stopped touching them?



* It's been a while since I read this, but something just occurred to me; if Kar's whole schtick is that his body can adapt to anything, shouldn't it be able to adapt to the cold of space? Like growing an internal heat generator or something?

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* It's been a while since I read this, but something just occurred to me; if Kar's Kars’ whole schtick is that his body can adapt to anything, shouldn't it be able to adapt to the cold of space? Like growing an internal heat generator or something?
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** It was probably still experimental and extremely risky, and roughly knowing the german mentality at that time (being german myself and having grandparents that lived at that time), it was probably "Only the elite forces are good enough to becomes cyborgs, but we can't use it on them since it's to risky". Stroheim is the only known cyborg because it was his only way to survive. If there are any others, they're guinea pigs kept away somewhere...

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** It was probably still experimental and extremely risky, and roughly knowing the german German mentality at that time (being german German myself and having grandparents that lived at that time), it was probably "Only the elite forces are good enough to becomes become cyborgs, but we can't use it on them since it's to too risky". Stroheim is the only known cyborg because it was his the only way to survive.he could have survived. If there are any others, they're guinea pigs kept away somewhere...

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*** It seemed to be implied it was workable but somewhat flawed and Joseph wanted to get Stroheim himself to improve it but by then the US was about to enter WW2 so it was nigh impossible for an American meet up with a German officer in a friendly manner. And obviously they never met again as a result of the war.



*** It seemed to be implied it was workable but somewhat flawed and Joseph wanted to get Stroheim himself to improve it but by then the US was about to enter WW2 so it was nigh impossible for an American meet up with a German officer in a friendly manner. And obviously they never met again as a result of the war.
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** The Speedwagon foundation retrofitted Stroheim with UV Floodlights and took part to his second restoration (with Stroheim claiming his leg felt more stiff). That means that a. Nazi scientists and Speedwagon's foundation ones, under duress, cooperated to help Stroheim reach and save Joseph, b. Speedwagon foundation is able to effortlessly build and maintain copies of Stroheim's body parts, albeit of lesser quality (Stroheim's stiff leg, Joseph's clicky, creaky hand) and c. both parties kept in touch during the Pillar Men Crisis, but had to go separate ways when the World War II hit with full gale. Hence Joseph was recovered by Speedwagon's men, they asked the german scientists for help, they sent the blueprints for a fully working hand because Joseph was a an american/british man, potentially an enemy soldier but was still a heroic young man risking his life for all mankind but they couldn't finetune it. Joseph wanted to meet again with Stroheim, tell him about his life and get the hand finetuned (like the German scientists did with Stroheim's new legs), but then USA went to war and Stroheim went to die in Stalingrad and Joseph was stuck with the inferior grade, less tuned prosthetic for life.



** Hamon users could possibly sustain themselves on just their breathing. It wouldn't be out of line with some of their other feats like making dead branches sprout leaves.

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** Hamon users could possibly sustain themselves on just their breathing. It wouldn't be out of line with some of their other feats like making dead branches sprout leaves.leaves.
*** That's the point of the Hell Climb Pillar: you need absolute mastery of Hamon to beat it. Hence you're supposed to learn how to sustain yourself with it, or fail.
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** Also, with the next generation being focused on studying the Stands, military cyborgs were most likely deemed an old, risky and useless tech. WordOfGod claims Stroheim fell because of an unknown Stalingrad Stand User: most likely whoever was researching into making humans stronger than the Pillar Men by technology, by then would have moved into training Stand Users to use their supernatural powers on the battlefield.
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** Didn't Araki say sth like, if the Crusaders went back in time and met young Joseph, they would see Hermit Purple wrapped around him? Kinda like an inate ability that later became part of Hermit Purple (Since Stands are just a manifestation of the soul)
*** Well, we've hamon used to predict the future before(Tonpetty seeing Zeppelli's future). Maybe Joseph was unconsciously using that ability.

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** Didn't Araki say sth like, that if the Crusaders went back in time and met young Joseph, they would see Hermit Purple wrapped around him? Kinda like an inate innate ability that later became part of Hermit Purple (Since Stands are just a manifestation of the soul)
*** Well, we've seen hamon used been able to predict the future before(Tonpetty before (Tonpetty seeing Zeppelli's future). Maybe Joseph was unconsciously using that ability.




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*** For OP, yup. After all, Hermit Purple can read the future.
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* It took Caesar 61 hours to climb the Hell Climb Pillar, and Joseph a little longer than that. Since they don't seem to have any chance to rest or drink (especially since Jojo still has the mask on), wouldn't they start to suffer from sleep deprivation and dehydration, even if they don't die from either?

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* It took Caesar 61 hours to climb the Hell Climb Pillar, and Joseph a little longer than that. Since they don't seem to have any chance to rest or drink (especially since Jojo still has the mask on), wouldn't they start to suffer from sleep deprivation and dehydration, even if they don't die from either?either?
** Hamon users could possibly sustain themselves on just their breathing. It wouldn't be out of line with some of their other feats like making dead branches sprout leaves.
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* Here's a funky one I've been wondering for some time now. The entire final showdown takes place in a desert, right? With saaand, and ruins, and stuff you can find in deserts, with nothing else in sight. Except it was clearly stated to have been some fifteen or so kilometers southest from the abandoned hotel in Switzerland. Which means, why in the goddamn are there Swiss deserts?

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* Here's a funky one I've been wondering for some time now. The entire final showdown takes place in a desert, right? With saaand, and ruins, and stuff you can find in deserts, with nothing else in sight. Except it was clearly stated to have been some fifteen or so kilometers southest from the abandoned hotel in Switzerland. Which means, why in the goddamn are there Swiss deserts?deserts?
* It took Caesar 61 hours to climb the Hell Climb Pillar, and Joseph a little longer than that. Since they don't seem to have any chance to rest or drink (especially since Jojo still has the mask on), wouldn't they start to suffer from sleep deprivation and dehydration, even if they don't die from either?

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