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*** Because unlike most of the movie we're not seeing the world from John's point of view in that scene.
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** It's also not the only word untranslated; the Barsoomian names for the other planets, including Earth (Jarsoom) remain the same. Proper nouns don't get translated, much as "Dejah Thoris" doesn't become "Delilah Thomas" or some other English name.
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** it's also implied that these versions of the Therns aren't even originally Martians (since Matai Shang says e's been doing this since before this planet). So they may move from planet to planet, keeping themselves in ultimste power while manipulating the locals to stop them ever being strong enough to overthrow them.
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*** That's clearly not the case in this version, as Dejah kills several Zodangan men in her opening scene. But the above reasons stand.
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*** They still don't know anything much about him at that point; for all they know he's part of some organisation on Earth that already know about them and deliberately sent John to Mars to foil them. Since he HAS foiled them and now everyone important on Mars knows about them now there's not much they can gain by killing him on Mars at this point. But if they send him home they can track him there and hopefully figure out what he's up to.
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*** Another factor is that they still don't know how he got to Mars. Remember the only witness who could have told them is dead. They have to be worried about the possibility of some organisation of humans that found out about them and sent him to Mars deliberately. If they kill him they'll never know. By the time he's set up the situation to go back they can probably conclude he's on his own and it was an accident but before that they couldn't be sure.
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** Also, while not referenced in the film, the books make clear that it is an unspeakable taboo on Barsoom for men to kill women and vice versa. Each gender is responsible for bumping off their own, should need arise.
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*** His military training could also have included orienteering, which might also mention the visible planets in passing.
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*** His military training could also have included orienteering, which might also mention touch upon basic astronomy in passing. (Compasses can get lost or broken in the visible planets in passing.field, after all.)
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*** His military training could also have included orienteering, which might also mention the visible planets in passing.
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* There is something about the Batman Gambit that Carter pulls att he end that really bugs me: Wouldn't the Thern that was in charge of keeping an eye on him, know that Carter was pretending to have found the medallion, simply by virtue of knowing that it couldn't be there?
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* There is something about the Batman Gambit that Carter pulls att at he end that really bugs me: Wouldn't the Thern that was in charge of keeping an eye on him, know that Carter was pretending to have found the medallion, simply by virtue of knowing that it couldn't be there?
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* I can accept that being adapted to Earth's gravity makes him faster and stronger than the inhabitants of Mars. What I can't accept is Carter snapping metal chains in the arena. Strength and speed are caused by adaptation and evolution, but the tensile strength of metal is universal, no matter what planet you're on. I would also think lifting boulders wouldn't be done so easily either.
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* I can accept that being adapted to Earth's gravity makes him faster and stronger than the inhabitants of Mars. What I can't accept is Carter snapping metal chains in the arena. Strength and speed are caused by adaptation and evolution, but the tensile strength of metal is universal, no matter what planet you're on. I would also think lifting boulders wouldn't be done so easily either.either.
** He doesn't snap the chains in the arena--the closest he comes to that is when he jams a spike in to get himself free. And lifting is, again, gravity based. If there's less gravity, then yes, he's going to be able to lift boulders easier.
** He doesn't snap the chains in the arena--the closest he comes to that is when he jams a spike in to get himself free. And lifting is, again, gravity based. If there's less gravity, then yes, he's going to be able to lift boulders easier.
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* I can accept that being adapted to Earth's gravity makes him faster and stronger than the inhabitants of Mars. What I can't accept is Carter snapping metal chains in the arena. Strength and speed are caused by adaptation and evolution, but the tensile strength of metal is universal, no matter what planet you're on.on. I would also think lifting boulders wouldn't be done so easily either.
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** Why would he? The Therns are not omniscient, they can lose track of their gear just like anyone else.
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** Why would he? The Therns are not omniscient, they can lose track of their gear just like anyone else.else.
* I can accept that being adapted to Earth's gravity makes him faster and stronger than the inhabitants of Mars. What I can't accept is Carter snapping metal chains in the arena. Strength and speed are caused by evolution, but the tensile strength of metal is universal, no matter what planet you're on.
* I can accept that being adapted to Earth's gravity makes him faster and stronger than the inhabitants of Mars. What I can't accept is Carter snapping metal chains in the arena. Strength and speed are caused by evolution, but the tensile strength of metal is universal, no matter what planet you're on.
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* Doest it seem odd when Deja and Carter make there crude map of the solar system, that Carter seems unusually knowledgeable on the topic? In the late 1800's United States, such detailed information would hardly be widely available. And even if Carter were by the standards of the day, highly educated, detailed and (correct) information of this type would be extremely Uncommon information for to one possess, outside the circles of the mostly amateur astronomers of the time.
** Not at all, over 80% of civil war soldiers were literate and if anything,
knowledge of basic astronomy was way more popular then than now. The sky was
their TV. The random person from that time period would likely know much
more about the solar system than one today. It was the beginning of the era
of modern observational astronomy. If anything, they played down how much
knowledge he would have.
** Not at all, over 80% of civil war soldiers were literate and if anything,
knowledge of basic astronomy was way more popular then than now. The sky was
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* Doest Doesn't it seem odd when Deja and Carter make there crude map of the solar system, that Carter seems unusually knowledgeable on the topic? In the late 1800's United States, such detailed information would hardly be widely available. And even if Carter were by the standards of the day, highly educated, detailed and (correct) information of this type would be extremely Uncommon information for to one possess, outside the circles of the mostly amateur astronomers of the time.
** Not at all, over 80% of civil war soldiers were literate and ifanything,
anything, knowledge of basic astronomy was way more popular then than now. The sky was
was their TV. The random person from that time period would likely know much
much more about the solar system than one today. It was the beginning of the era
era of modern observational astronomy. If anything, they played down how much
much knowledge he would have.
** Not at all, over 80% of civil war soldiers were literate and if
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** Not at all, over 80% of civil war soldiers were literate and if anything, anything,
knowledge of basic astronomy was way more popular then than now. The skywas was
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of modern observational astronomy. If anything, they played down how much
knowledge he would have.
knowledge of basic astronomy was way more popular then than now. The sky
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* Doest it seem odd when Deja and Carter make there crude map of the solar system, that Carter seems unusually knowledgeable on the topic? In the late 1800's United States, such detailed information would hardly be widely available. And even if Carter were by the standards of the day, highly educated, detailed and (correct) information of this type would be extremely UNcommon information for to one possess, outside the circles of the mostly amateur astronomers of the time.
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* Doest it seem odd when Deja and Carter make there crude map of the solar system, that Carter seems unusually knowledgeable on the topic? In the late 1800's United States, such detailed information would hardly be widely available. And even if Carter were by the standards of the day, highly educated, detailed and (correct) information of this type would be extremely UNcommon Uncommon information for to one possess, outside the circles of the mostly amateur astronomers of the time.time.
** Not at all, over 80% of civil war soldiers were literate and if anything, knowledge of basic astronomy was way more popular then than now. The sky was their TV. The random person from that time period would likely know much more about the solar system than one today.
** Not at all, over 80% of civil war soldiers were literate and if anything, knowledge of basic astronomy was way more popular then than now. The sky was their TV. The random person from that time period would likely know much more about the solar system than one today.
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** Probably the latter, since I think they were feeding it to the infants, too.
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*** It's possible that his adventure on Mars took much longer than we see portrayed on screen, they do a lot of traveling and whatnot after all. And the books make it pretty clear that he ''had'' been gone quite long enough for his son to do some growing up, so no reason to suspect the same wouldn't have happened in any sequel to the movie.
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** John was an officer when he was in the army. While that doesn't necessarily mean he had a college education (at the time), it's entirely possible. If he attended college, the basic science courses might have covered the solar system.
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*** Amazing how many questions that answers, isn't it?
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*** May also be simple practicality. If they kill him, he becomes a martyr... the Barsoomians might build a ''religion'' around him, after what he did. Just send him on back to Earth, it makes them all think he just ran out on them.
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* What was up with that drink that the Tharks fed to Carter that let him hear "the Voice of Barsoom"? Did the Tharks really get so many human visitors to Mars (Barsoom) that they would need to devise a drink that would immediately translate the language? Or would this drink be used for early language development in infant Tharks?
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* What was up with that drink that the Tharks fed to Carter that let him hear "the Voice of Barsoom"? Did the Tharks really get so many human visitors to Mars (Barsoom) that they would need to devise a drink that would immediately translate the language? Or would this drink be used for early language development in infant Tharks?Tharks?
** Probably the latter, since I think they were feeding it to the infants, too.
** Probably the latter, since I think they were feeding it to the infants, too.
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** Knowledge of the solar system is older than you think - the Babylonians knew about heliocentricity. The Greeks knew about things as far away as Jupiter. Admittedly, Neptune's discovery falls into the 'uncommon knowledge' branch, but if someone was a learned scholar (John seems adept at gathering knowledge about things that interest him) then they may know enough about the already-known planets. Earlier on, John seems to 'get' the idea that he's on a different planet. If he knew nothing of the solar system, this would blow his mind more than, "I'm not on Earth!" There was light foreshadowing, he's a smart guy...
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** Knowledge of the solar system is older than you think - the Babylonians knew about heliocentricity. The Greeks knew about things as far away as Jupiter. Admittedly, Neptune's discovery falls into the 'uncommon knowledge' branch, but if someone was a learned scholar (John seems adept at gathering knowledge about things that interest him) then they may know enough about the already-known planets. Earlier on, John seems to 'get' the idea that he's on a different planet. If he knew nothing of the solar system, this would blow his mind more than, "I'm not on Earth!" There was light foreshadowing, he's a smart guy...guy...
* What was up with that drink that the Tharks fed to Carter that let him hear "the Voice of Barsoom"? Did the Tharks really get so many human visitors to Mars (Barsoom) that they would need to devise a drink that would immediately translate the language? Or would this drink be used for early language development in infant Tharks?
* What was up with that drink that the Tharks fed to Carter that let him hear "the Voice of Barsoom"? Did the Tharks really get so many human visitors to Mars (Barsoom) that they would need to devise a drink that would immediately translate the language? Or would this drink be used for early language development in infant Tharks?
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**Time seems to work differently on Mars than it does Earth. His adventure on Mars only takes a few days, a week maybe. However when he gets back to Earth, enough time has past that he's covered in inches of dust and the army guy is a clean skeleton. So it's quite possible that 10 years haven't passed on Mars, but rather only a few days or weeks or months, at the most.
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*** Though there are even simpler ways into the Tomb considering that the roof is clearly just a glass dome. All you really need to break into the place is a stepladder and a hammer.
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** He didn't. But nobody ever said the man was a {{Chessmaster}}. He gambled and won.
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** There's a big difference now; Dejah knows about the Therns now. And if she has any sense she has told literally everyone else. The Therns are likely very much on the retreat now.
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* Doest it seem odd when Deja and Carter make there crude map of the solar system, that Carter seems unusually knowledgeable on the topic? In the late 1800's United States, such detailed information would hardly be widely available. And even if Carter were by the standards of the day, highly educated, detailed and (correct) information of this type would be extremely UNcommon information for to one possess, outside the circles of the mostly amateur astronomers of the time.time.
** Knowledge of the solar system is older than you think - the Babylonians knew about heliocentricity. The Greeks knew about things as far away as Jupiter. Admittedly, Neptune's discovery falls into the 'uncommon knowledge' branch, but if someone was a learned scholar (John seems adept at gathering knowledge about things that interest him) then they may know enough about the already-known planets. Earlier on, John seems to 'get' the idea that he's on a different planet. If he knew nothing of the solar system, this would blow his mind more than, "I'm not on Earth!" There was light foreshadowing, he's a smart guy...
** Knowledge of the solar system is older than you think - the Babylonians knew about heliocentricity. The Greeks knew about things as far away as Jupiter. Admittedly, Neptune's discovery falls into the 'uncommon knowledge' branch, but if someone was a learned scholar (John seems adept at gathering knowledge about things that interest him) then they may know enough about the already-known planets. Earlier on, John seems to 'get' the idea that he's on a different planet. If he knew nothing of the solar system, this would blow his mind more than, "I'm not on Earth!" There was light foreshadowing, he's a smart guy...
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* If John's strength on Mars is from the gravitational difference, wouldn't Therns have a hell of a time doing ''anything'' on Earth?
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* If John's strength on Mars is from the gravitational difference, wouldn't Therns have a hell of a time doing ''anything'' on Earth?Earth?
* Doest it seem odd when Deja and Carter make there crude map of the solar system, that Carter seems unusually knowledgeable on the topic? In the late 1800's United States, such detailed information would hardly be widely available. And even if Carter were by the standards of the day, highly educated, detailed and (correct) information of this type would be extremely UNcommon information for to one possess, outside the circles of the mostly amateur astronomers of the time.
* Doest it seem odd when Deja and Carter make there crude map of the solar system, that Carter seems unusually knowledgeable on the topic? In the late 1800's United States, such detailed information would hardly be widely available. And even if Carter were by the standards of the day, highly educated, detailed and (correct) information of this type would be extremely UNcommon information for to one possess, outside the circles of the mostly amateur astronomers of the time.
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** ...What? Tal Tarkas ''stopped''. Carter didn't get ''hit'' by the swords, Tarkas stopped them at the last moment.
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* This was probably explained somewhere and I missed it but how did John survive Tal Tarkas, the Thark chief attacked the leader Thern, who was disguised as John, with two swords at the end of the final battle and John leapt towards the Thern and got hit by Tarkas' swords which cut the skin and drew a little blood but didn't have the expected effect of beheading and John said he'd explain latter, I don't remember that ever being explained unless his flesh was still a little crystallized from the Thern's attack.
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* This was probably explained somewhere and I missed it but how did John survive Tal Tarkas, the Thark chief attacked the leader Thern, who was disguised as John, with two swords at the end of the final battle and John leapt towards the Thern and got hit by Tarkas' swords which cut the skin and drew a little blood but didn't have the expected effect of beheading and John said he'd explain latter, I don't remember that ever being explained unless his flesh was still a little crystallized from the Thern's attack.attack.
* If John's strength on Mars is from the gravitational difference, wouldn't Therns have a hell of a time doing ''anything'' on Earth?
* If John's strength on Mars is from the gravitational difference, wouldn't Therns have a hell of a time doing ''anything'' on Earth?
