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JustForFun/TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs. Kurt, clearly the OnlySaneMan, did the reasonable thing and blew it out. Then again, he also thought that [[YouFailBiologyForever acupuncture would get his dad out of a coma.]]

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JustForFun/TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs. Kurt, clearly the OnlySaneMan, did the reasonable thing and blew it out. Then again, he also thought that [[YouFailBiologyForever [[ArtisticLicenseBiology acupuncture would get his dad out of a coma.]]


As much as it's a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, my mind is wondering about the logistics. You're not gonna find something like that at any old prosthetics shop. Even if she had the money for that thing, how did she send for it so fast?

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As much as it's a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}, my mind is wondering about the logistics. You're not gonna find something like that at any old prosthetics shop. Even if she had the money for that thing, how did she send for it so fast?

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** It's for irony: Kurt thinks of himself as supremely rational, above everyone else's prayers, but is still tempted by superstition in other ways. The writers did well here.


* I don't think that whoever wrote that line has actually seen BrokebackMountain - it's not as if they FadeToBlack after Ennis crawls into the tent.

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* I don't think that whoever wrote that line has actually seen BrokebackMountain ''Film/BrokebackMountain'' - it's not as if they FadeToBlack after Ennis crawls into the tent.


*** He's shown to be a fan of ''Music/{{Evita}}'', ''Theatre/{{Gypsy}}'', ''VictorVictoria'', and (judging from his Riff Raff impression) ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', all of which have sexual elements.

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*** He's shown to be a fan of ''Music/{{Evita}}'', ''Theatre/{{Gypsy}}'', ''VictorVictoria'', ''Theatre/VictorVictoria'', and (judging from his Riff Raff impression) ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', all of which have sexual elements.


TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs. Kurt, clearly the OnlySaneMan, did the reasonable thing and blew it out. Then again, he also thought that [[YouFailBiologyForever acupuncture would get his dad out of a coma.]]

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TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs.JustForFun/TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs. Kurt, clearly the OnlySaneMan, did the reasonable thing and blew it out. Then again, he also thought that [[YouFailBiologyForever acupuncture would get his dad out of a coma.]]


* Considering New Directions has a nasty case of LoveDodecahedron, you can't blame Sam and Mercedes [[GenreSavvy for trying to stay under the radar.]]

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* Considering New Directions has a nasty case of LoveDodecahedron, you can't blame Sam and Mercedes [[GenreSavvy for trying to stay under the radar.]]


*** I'll need to rewatch it, but I'm pretty sure that Blaine actually said "Winterfest." And yes, I'm aware that they stopped doing it in '92 and revived it for one last kick at the cat in '05, that was on TheOtherWiki too. I'm saying that we're dealing with a fictional show where a real festival at a real amusement park continued after its real life counterpart ceased to exist so that the show had a glimmer of verisimilitude.

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*** I'll need to rewatch it, but I'm pretty sure that Blaine actually said "Winterfest." And yes, I'm aware that they stopped doing it in '92 and revived it for one last kick at the cat in '05, that was on TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki too. I'm saying that we're dealing with a fictional show where a real festival at a real amusement park continued after its real life counterpart ceased to exist so that the show had a glimmer of verisimilitude.


** The official lyrics of {{Adele}}'s version say "...I'll lay your ship bare." So in essence, it is kind of a {{Mondegreen}}.

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** The official lyrics of {{Adele}}'s Music/{{Adele}}'s version say "...I'll lay your ship bare." So in essence, it is kind of a {{Mondegreen}}.


*** He's shown to be a fan of ''Music/{{Evita}}'', ''Theatre/{{Gypsy}}'', ''VictorVictoria'', and (judging from his Riff Raff impression) ''TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', all of which have sexual elements.

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*** He's shown to be a fan of ''Music/{{Evita}}'', ''Theatre/{{Gypsy}}'', ''VictorVictoria'', and (judging from his Riff Raff impression) ''TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', ''Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', all of which have sexual elements.


* To be fair, Kurt wasn't there when they explained the assignment. And besides, he went through a lot of bullying for being who he was, so I think instead of being completely on task for the assignment, his T-shirt was telling everyone at McKinley that he was through with being intimidated.

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* To be fair, Kurt wasn't there when they explained the assignment. And besides, he went through a lot of bullying for being who he was, so I think instead of being completely on task for the assignment, his T-shirt was telling everyone at McKinley [=McKinley=] that he was through with being intimidated.


* Unless some of the posters above originally hail from [[CareBears Carealot]], asserting that calling someone "stupid" is an unreasonable response to their ''cheating'' on you is a bit hyperbolic. I mean it's barely a step above "doodie-head" on the scale of "terrible insults". ''"But she's got deep seated issues and that was the one thing blah blah..."'' Indeed. I'm sure it was quite hurtful, but you know what else is hurtful? '''CHEATING!'''

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* Unless some of the posters above originally hail from [[CareBears [[Franchise/CareBears Carealot]], asserting that calling someone "stupid" is an unreasonable response to their ''cheating'' on you is a bit hyperbolic. I mean it's barely a step above "doodie-head" on the scale of "terrible insults". ''"But she's got deep seated issues and that was the one thing blah blah..."'' Indeed. I'm sure it was quite hurtful, but you know what else is hurtful? '''CHEATING!'''



** Anyone who commits fundamental breach of trust in a relationship, should expect stronger language than "stupid" from the wronged party. Unless the expectation is that Artie is meant to be Jesus Christ himself, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect his response in the situation to be ''calm explanation''. If the argument is that Brittany is faultless because she didn't understand that she was cheating, then the same argument exempts Artie from blame (since how was he supposed to know that run-of-the-mill insult was going to [[BerzerkButton wound her so deeply?]]). Lastly, calling someone who's just confessed to cheating on you because the other woman said it was ok "stupid" is more an accurate asessment of the situation than a cheap shot. There is no "you automatically lose the fight because you were insulting rule" That's not how the world works. If it was, then being a KarmaHoudini would be as simple as making sure all your actions were horrible enough for people to call you names.

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** Anyone who commits fundamental breach of trust in a relationship, should expect stronger language than "stupid" from the wronged party. Unless the expectation is that Artie is meant to be Jesus Christ himself, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect his response in the situation to be ''calm explanation''. If the argument is that Brittany is faultless because she didn't understand that she was cheating, then the same argument exempts Artie from blame (since how was he supposed to know that run-of-the-mill insult was going to [[BerzerkButton wound her so deeply?]]). Lastly, calling someone who's just confessed to cheating on you because the other woman said it was ok "stupid" is more an accurate asessment assessment of the situation than a cheap shot. There is no "you automatically lose the fight because you were insulting rule" That's not how the world works. If it was, then being a KarmaHoudini would be as simple as making sure all your actions were horrible enough for people to call you names.


** That doesn't explain the thing with Rachel. Jessse is now an adult who is employed by the highschool where Rachel is a student. Their relationship under those conditions sounds like an episode of LawAndOrderSVU. Oooh, can we have UnStabler show up and haul Jesse off in cuffs?

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** That doesn't explain the thing with Rachel. Jessse is now an adult who is employed by the highschool where Rachel is a student. Their relationship under those conditions sounds like an episode of LawAndOrderSVU. ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit''. Oooh, can we have UnStabler [=UnStabler=] show up and haul Jesse off in cuffs?


Am I missing something as to why they cut this from the episode? Even if it was just to save time it comes off as being in pretty bad taste, and that's before you consider the UnfortunateImplications if it was deliberate. It's like trying to cut "You've Got to Be Carefully Taught" from SouthPacific to cope with time constraints - take that out and you might as well take the whole show out.

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Am I missing something as to why they cut this from the episode? Even if it was just to save time it comes off as being in pretty bad taste, and that's before you consider the UnfortunateImplications if it was deliberate. It's like trying to cut "You've Got to Be Carefully Taught" from SouthPacific ''Theatre/SouthPacific'' to cope with time constraints - take that out and you might as well take the whole show out.

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!! The doctor's behavior
I don't know how it works in the States but if a doctor tried to pressure me into getting an unnecessary plastic surgery, I would have gotten his ass reported to the head doctor. It's extremely unprofessional to tell your patient, a minor to boot, to get a plastic surgery without her parents in the room, just because your daughters got a surgery. He was practically preying on a teenager's insecurities! How is it that no one was alarmed by that behavior?


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** And it might be a tad petty, but singing blackbird, a song about a ''black bird'' to a ''yellow'' canary is a little off.


* The irony was not lost on ChrisColfer:

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* Brittany says that it is because of comments on her 'Fondue for Two' interviews that she has joined the Muckraker to learn to become a proper journalist, avoiding 'gossipy' questions. Apparantly this intervention was brought on by comments for 'Fondue for Two', criticising the nature of the interviews. How can Brittany get these comments when her videos have comments disabled? Seriously, pause when it zooms out of the Youtube expy.

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* Brittany says that it is because of comments on her 'Fondue for Two' interviews that she has joined the Muckraker to learn to become a proper journalist, avoiding 'gossipy' questions. Apparantly this intervention was brought on by comments for 'Fondue for Two', criticising criticizing the nature of the interviews. How can Brittany get these comments when her videos have comments disabled? Seriously, pause when it zooms out of the Youtube expy.


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!! Brittany's actions for the Muckraker
* How is Brittany trying to force Santana out of the closet with what she wrote seen as acceptable and romantic while Finn's confrontation is ZOMGEVIL?



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* The whole point was about accepting what may make you self concious that you cannot help, that you were born with. Mercedes does not need to be thin to be beautiful, she has said that herself, same with being black, she may not feel that is an issue. She does however wear a weave quite often, though she does not need to but her own hair may not be what she wants. Artie was born with bad eye sight and it cannot be changed. It wasnt neccesarily about something ou were born with but something that stemmed from how you were born, like the I'm with Stupid and Stoopid shirts and the Can't sing shirt

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** Sam's reaction was dripping with sarcasm, like "oh wow, I got my teachers cell number, now I am complete". As simply a teacher I would see it as odd but being an extra curricular coach, quite often this is a practice. I had my Volleyball and track and drama coaches numbers.



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** They said it was up to the Cheeerios, and they NEVER said they would be kicked out of Glee if they chose the Cheerios, Sue gave them that ultimatum of quitting or being kicked out of the Cheerios when she became afraid that they may choose Glee over Cheerios. Never once was anyone forcing the three to choose Glee until later with Finn and Sam even stepped up and said he was wrong for attacking Quinn for her choice, and only Rachel seemed upset/pissy when anything came up about the three choosing cheerios over Glee.


I've harped on this before, but really, Dave Karofsky caves because some girl said that she saw him briefly looking a guy who ''was getting a drink at a water fountain''. Oh, and because some guy who doesn't even go to school with them anymore alluded to him having a secret. So, her evidence is, "A guy who isn't going to come back made a vague statement, and I saw Karofsky look at a boy who was getting a drink of water for a few seconds." Somehow, I'm just not seeing that as irrefutable proof of homosexuality. It would be incredibly easy to deny all memory or simply say that he was thirsty and looked to see who was getting a drink before wondering off to find an unoccupied water fountain.

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I've harped on this before, but really, Dave Karofsky caves because some girl said that she saw him briefly looking a guy who ''was getting a drink at a water fountain''. Oh, and because some guy who doesn't even go to school with them anymore alluded to him having a secret. So, her evidence is, "A guy who isn't going to come back made a vague statement, and I saw Karofsky look at a boy who was getting a drink of water for a few seconds." Somehow, I'm just not seeing that as irrefutable proof of homosexuality. It would be incredibly easy to deny all memory or simply say that he was thirsty and looked to see who was getting a drink before wondering wandering off to find an unoccupied water fountain.


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\n* What I noticed while watching is that Kurt had a sort of blank expression, like he was still trying to figure out how he was supposed to process it, until he looked around and noticed the way people were looking at him. If it had been a well-meaning gesture, there would have been some smiles or apologetic faces or concern when they realised it wasn't a good idea, which he didn't see from anyone except the Glee kids. What he saw was pure scorn, which pretty much made it clear to him that it was not out of affection that he got these votes.




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* To be fair, Kurt wasn't there when they explained the assignment. And besides, he went through a lot of bullying for being who he was, so I think instead of being completely on task for the assignment, his T-shirt was telling everyone at McKinley that he was through with being intimidated.



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!! "Two Boys can't sing a Duet!"
I know this line wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but one of the competition judges says that she won't stand for two boys singing together, in reference to Kurt and Blaine. As it turns out, though, Dalton is a BOYS' SCHOOL, and therefore there are NO FEMALE WARBLERS,so what exactly was she expecting them to do?



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** I noticed that her hair was a little shorter, messier and curlier than usual. I think that was supposed to be Hollywood's version of her natural hair.

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!!Reputation
* The footballers keep saying that they're going to be considered losers if they go out and perform the 'Thriller' routine at the half-time show. At about this time last year, they did the dance to 'Single Ladies' for no (apparent to the audience) reason, and yet they still rule the school. The 'Thriller' routine is comparatively pretty cool, and yet they put up more of a fight than they did last time.



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**** Well, yeah, except New Directions is a Show Choir, not a Church choir. They have never sung religious songs before this episode. And Kurt never got his way, they kept with the songs despite a formal protest. It would probably be a different matter if the "spiritual" week hadn't coincided with Burt having a heart attack, but that's what happened.



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*** No, the lyrics are actually "shit." If it was "ship" why would the radio edit say "I'll lay your ish bare?"

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** Transvestism is cross-dressing. Transsexuality is the identification with a gender other than one's own (AKA transgender). Putting aside the fact that in the story of the musical, Transsexual is the name of the planet the Transylvanians are from, I don't know why mentioning transvestism is okay while mentioning transsexuality isn't.



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** Santana calls her stupid all the time. I didn't understand why she would go to her for comfort.


** Maybe there's a middle ground in this argument? I'm in high school, and I know that one popular kid coming up with a spur-of-the-moment idea can have wide-ranging repercussions even when the idea wasn't intended to be cold-bloodedly cruel. This actually fits with one troper's assertion that the [=McKinley=] kids haven't shown themselves to be [[CompleteMonster complete homophobic monsters]]. Even though they considered Kurt a joke for the two minutes it took to vote for him, perhaps they actually felt guilty or uncomfortable when his name was unexpectedly announced, and that was why no one reacted. This theory also works with the fact that they cheered for him at his AwesomeMomentOfCrowning. They don't really hate him and were impressed by his reaction, but were being cruel, thoughtless teenagers when some popular kid told them to vote.

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** Maybe there's a middle ground in this argument? I'm in high school, and I know that one popular kid coming up with a spur-of-the-moment idea can have wide-ranging repercussions even when the idea wasn't intended to be cold-bloodedly cruel. This actually fits with one troper's assertion that the [=McKinley=] kids haven't shown themselves to be [[CompleteMonster complete homophobic monsters]].monsters. Even though they considered Kurt a joke for the two minutes it took to vote for him, perhaps they actually felt guilty or uncomfortable when his name was unexpectedly announced, and that was why no one reacted. This theory also works with the fact that they cheered for him at his AwesomeMomentOfCrowning. They don't really hate him and were impressed by his reaction, but were being cruel, thoughtless teenagers when some popular kid told them to vote.



*** I agree with the Troper above...They probably all took note of Figgins' tone and expression (plus the Bully Whips) and were scared into stifling their laughter. And, because (as other tropers pointed out) they're not all [[CompleteMonster Complete Monsters]], they suddenly felt guilty for something that turned out to be way more serious than they thought it would be.

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*** I agree with the Troper above...They probably all took note of Figgins' tone and expression (plus the Bully Whips) and were scared into stifling their laughter. And, because (as other tropers pointed out) they're not all [[CompleteMonster Complete Monsters]], And they suddenly felt guilty for something that turned out to be way more serious than they thought it would be.



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*** The problem with that is what we have is a case of atheist privilege; ''because'' Kurt gets his way, isn't that doing ''exactly'' what the original Headscratcher-poster was complaining about? "Shoving his beliefs down their throat"? If someone is that offended that ''a choir'' is singing religious songs, they probably shouldn't be in a choir. Stomping their feet and demanding change is actually very childish and intolerant.



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** True, but there's a good chance he could have fast-forwarded through that part.


*** And again, you're right if you're talking about your average school choir, the kind that [[http://www.gwynethwalker.com/jpg/laurel2.jpg looks like this]]. But New Directions is a ''show choir'', which is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_choir quite different]] and has very different repertoire.

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*** Your average high school choir is going to be performing that kind of material, and many people are going to be complaining about it. My high school choir did, and it made my choir experience incredibly unpleasant. Believe it or not, there are people out there who are religious but not Christian, and who feel incredibly guilty and bad singing songs in praise of a deity that directly contradicts the one they believe in -- and who don't think they should have to in order to participate fully in extracurricular activities at a secular public school.
*** And again, you're right if you're talking about your average school choir, the kind that that
[[http://www.gwynethwalker.com/jpg/laurel2.jpg looks like this]]. But New Directions is a ''show choir'', which is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_choir quite different]] and has very different repertoire.


* It was always very odd to me how the changed the lyrics of "Sweet Transvestite." The original song chorus goes "I'm just a sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania." The Glee lyrics go the same... except the swap "transexual Transylvania" for "''sensational'' Transylvania." That's pretty strange considering that they already included the world "transvestite;" why wouldn't they include it again?

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* It *It was always very odd to me how the changed the lyrics of "Sweet Transvestite." The original song chorus goes "I'm just a sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania." The Glee lyrics go the same... except the they swap "transexual Transylvania" for "''sensational'' Transylvania." That's pretty strange considering that they already included the world "transvestite;" why wouldn't they include it again?


* It was always very odd to me how the changed the lyrics of "Sweet Transvestite." The original song chorus goes "I'm just a sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania." The Glee lyrics go the same... except the swap "transexual Transylvania" for "''sensational Transylvania." That's pretty strange considering that they already included the world "transvestite;" why wouldn't they include it again?

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* It *It was always very odd to me how the changed the lyrics of "Sweet Transvestite." The original song chorus goes "I'm just a sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania." The Glee lyrics go the same... except the swap "transexual Transylvania" for "''sensational "''sensational'' Transylvania." That's pretty strange considering that they already included the world "transvestite;" why wouldn't they include it again?



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*It was always very odd to me how the changed the lyrics of "Sweet Transvestite." The original song chorus goes "I'm just a sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania." The Glee lyrics go the same... except the swap "transexual Transylvania" for "''sensational Transylvania." That's pretty strange considering that they already included the world "transvestite;" why wouldn't they include it again?



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* Not to mention why they would be kicked out of Glee if they didn't perform. Reasons why are above.


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!!Brittany's consent for the cannon
* Can Brittany sign a consent form if she's a minor, and probably also mentally disabled (enough to be unable to write her name on said form)?


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**** REM's song isn't about religion, it's referencing a colloquialism that's an analogue of "losing one's mind".


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**** REM's song isn't about religion, it's referencing a colloquialism that's an analogue of "losing one's mind".

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* He thought the acupuncture would help his dad's circulation, which would increase the flow of blood to his dad's brain, which would get his dad out of a coma. Which is scientifically sound. Also, [[http://www.springerlink.com/content/x1867532142350l5/ clinical]] [[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16334716 studies]] have shown that acupuncture can help people get out of coma's faster. Above Troper DidNotDoTheResearch.

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* He thought the acupuncture would help his dad's circulation, which would increase the flow of blood to his dad's brain, which would get his dad out of a coma. Which is scientifically sound. Also, [[http://www.springerlink.com/content/x1867532142350l5/ clinical]] [[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16334716 studies]] have shown that acupuncture can help people get out of coma's faster. Above Troper DidNotDoTheResearch.



* Santana scoffed at Holly knowing who Cee-Lo Green is, making it clear that Miss Lopez DidNotDoTheResearch. Cee-Lo debuted as part of Goodie Mob in 1994, meaning it's entirely possible Holly liked him since ''she'' was a teenager.

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* Santana scoffed at Holly knowing who Cee-Lo Green is, making it clear that Miss Lopez DidNotDoTheResearch.is. Cee-Lo debuted as part of Goodie Mob in 1994, meaning it's entirely possible Holly liked him since ''she'' was a teenager.



** Probably just an instance of DidNotDoTheResearch. And, you know, it's fiction, and the show isn't really aimed at the demographic that's going to be uber-nitpicky about such things anyway.

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** Probably just an instance of DidNotDoTheResearch.honest mistake. And, you know, it's fiction, and the show isn't really aimed at the demographic that's going to be uber-nitpicky about such things anyway.



* I don't think that whoever wrote that line [[DidNotDoTheResearch has actually seen]] BrokebackMountain - it's not as if they FadeToBlack after Ennis crawls into the tent.

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* I don't think that whoever wrote that line [[DidNotDoTheResearch has actually seen]] seen BrokebackMountain - it's not as if they FadeToBlack after Ennis crawls into the tent.



** I think it's just a mild case of DidNotDoTheResearch. And it's ''Vocal Adrenaline''. They're the kind who allegedly doesn't give a damn if one of their members died during a rehearsal. And since she's their female lead (why do they never have a male and female lead at the same time anyway?) they probably don't have any replacements on hand. (And wasn't her green card given to her by Vocal Adrenaline's uber-rich booster club?)

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** I think it's just a mild case of DidNotDoTheResearch.mistake. And it's ''Vocal Adrenaline''. They're the kind who allegedly doesn't give a damn if one of their members died during a rehearsal. And since she's their female lead (why do they never have a male and female lead at the same time anyway?) they probably don't have any replacements on hand. (And wasn't her green card given to her by Vocal Adrenaline's uber-rich booster club?)



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** In season 3, she implies that she was practically raised by her abuela, so if she lived in Lima Heights, this would explain Santana identifying to that part of town.



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** Especially when you remember she yells out "MY WEAVE!" prior to someone else being slushied in Season 1.


* I don't that whoever wrote that line has actually seen BrokebackMountain - it's not as if they FadeToBlack after Ennis crawls into the tent.

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* I don't think that whoever wrote that line [[DidNotDoTheResearch has actually seen seen]] BrokebackMountain - it's not as if they FadeToBlack after Ennis crawls into the tent.



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* I don't that whoever wrote that line has actually seen BrokebackMountain - it's not as if they FadeToBlack after Ennis crawls into the tent.



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** Jesse was part of a team that won Nationals multiple times. All of his advice is disregarded by the students because of what happened in Funk and Journey. It becomes FridgeBrilliance when you think about it- why would they listen to the guy who egged their captain and kicked them out of Regionals?




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**** Probably that. Honestly, I'm a little surprised they made No. 12 with that. And Finn and Rachel are called out in The Purple Piano Project about it- to the point where, to quote Kurt, "The Kiss That Missed" has become a small meme.


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*** [[spoiler: Nope. He's back and gunning for Mercedes, and may be a regular in Season 4]].


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** AbortedArc in full effect.


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* It seems more like Kurt was willing to try anything (except prayer) to save his dad.

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* It seems more like Kurt was willing to try anything (except prayer) to save his dad.



!! Sue being considered the bad guy in this particular episode.
* I'm pretty sure Sue's attempts to get the Glee club to stop singing religious songs was, in part, an extension of her wanting to destroy the Glee club. However, it was also clearly done in an attempt to help a kid who, when asked, did tell her yes, he would like it done. And then, later, Emma demands Sue justify her attempts to help Kurt, defending the Glee kid's obnoxious, isolating attitude towards their friend's polite, firm request they don't shove their beliefs down his throat. Sue makes several good points, one of which is that Burt could die, and Emma really should be doing her job and helping him deal with that fact. Yes, prayer and faith can be wonderful for people who believe, and if Kurt did believe, Emma should definitely encourage his friends to use religion/faith to help him. However, whether he believes or not, whether she encourages prayer or not, she should be helping him come to terms with the very real fact his father could die. Also, since he doesn't believe and went as far as to accept a teacher's offer to try to help him get the club to stop pushing beliefs he's uncomfortable with at him, Emma, whatever her faith or lack of, should be doing what Sue, who is an athletic coach rather than a guidance counselor, is trying to do and get Kurt's friends to leave the emotionally devastated boy alone if they can't find some way to help him that he's comfortable with. Perhaps she could tell them to privately pray (as Puck did) and suggest some practical ways of showing support such as inviting him over for the night, bringing him food, offering to listen should he want to talk, or even just sitting quietly with him and holding his hand. I never thought I'd find an episode where I'd rush to Sue's defence or praise Puck, who did pray for Burt and Kurt but never once that I can remember tried to shove his beliefs onto Kurt or punish him for not accepting theism, but yeah, here I am. Sue and Puck were the heroes of episode, Kurt was let down numerous times by the people he'd come to emotionally rely on, Emma should've been fired, and the majority of ND was a good example of why many devoutly religious people are uncomfortable expressing their faith in public for fear they'll automatically be labelled intrusive, emotionally manipulative, and incapable of legitimately loving, or even just respecting, others due to supposed strings attached to that love/respect.

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!! Sue being considered the bad guy in this particular episode.
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* I'm pretty sure Sue's attempts to get the Glee club to stop singing religious songs was, in part, an extension of her wanting to destroy the Glee club. However, it was also clearly done in an attempt to help a kid who, when asked, did tell her yes, he would like it done. And then, later, Emma demands Sue justify her attempts to help Kurt, defending the Glee kid's obnoxious, isolating attitude towards their friend's polite, firm request they don't shove their beliefs down his throat. Sue makes several good points, one of which is that Burt could die, and Emma really should be doing her job and helping him deal with that fact. Yes, prayer and faith can be wonderful for people who believe, and if Kurt did believe, Emma should definitely encourage his friends to use religion/faith to help him. However, whether he believes or not, whether she encourages prayer or not, she should be helping him come to terms with the very real fact his father could die. Also, since he doesn't believe and went as far as to accept a teacher's offer to try to help him get the club to stop pushing beliefs he's uncomfortable with at him, Emma, whatever her faith or lack of, should be doing what Sue, who is an athletic coach rather than a guidance counselor, is trying to do and get Kurt's friends to leave the emotionally devastated boy alone if they can't find some way to help him that he's comfortable with. Perhaps she could tell them to privately pray (as Puck did) and suggest some practical ways of showing support such as inviting him over for the night, bringing him food, offering to listen should he want to talk, or even just sitting quietly with him and holding his hand. I never thought I'd find an episode where I'd rush to Sue's defence or praise Puck, who did pray for Burt and Kurt but never once that I can remember tried to shove his beliefs onto Kurt or punish him for not accepting theism, but yeah, here I am. Sue and Puck were the heroes of episode, Kurt was let down numerous times by the people he'd come to emotionally rely on, Emma should've been fired, and the majority of ND was a good example of why many devoutly religious people are uncomfortable expressing their faith in public for fear they'll automatically be labelled intrusive, emotionally manipulative, and incapable of legitimately loving, or even just respecting, others due to supposed strings attached to that love/respect.



** Perhaps he meant public as in a solo in front of everybody rather than the typical background 'oooh aaah' chants that go on while the main singer steals a spotlight in any given Glee performance. And while his singing and duet performance was freakin' brilliant, it was done in a completely different style to Rachel's or Kurt's typical 'look at me, I can do every vocal range and then some' show offs so it's possible he could feel really insecure about his voice compared to everyone else's attention whoring. As for 'Laryngitis', I got nothing. :P

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** Perhaps he meant public as in a solo in front of everybody rather than the typical background 'oooh aaah' chants that go on while the main singer steals a spotlight in any given Glee performance. And while his singing and duet performance was freakin' brilliant, it was done in a completely different style to Rachel's or Kurt's typical 'look at me, I can do every vocal range and then some' show offs so it's possible he could feel really insecure about his voice compared to everyone else's attention whoring. As for 'Laryngitis', I got nothing. :P :P



** Kurt ''knew'' that Finn was straight. Finn shouldn't ''have'' to say no. Look at it this way: my sister had a crush on her gay best guy friend. If she had pressured him anyway and tried to turn him ''straight'' just because he "never really said no", would that justify defense? True, Finn's line about "no means no" was a little off, but what he meant was that Kurt completely and intentionally dismissed boundaries he knew Finn had to try and seduce him. That is not okay, and Finn was making it clear to Kurt that he better not do that again. What Kurt did was restraining order worthy--he got their parents together so that he could get closer to Finn (who, to add a pinch of Squick, should be more like a brother figure then) and when their parents made them share a room (which is just stupid. Would you put your daughter and son in the same room?) instead of doing the right thing and saying "Dad, that's not appropriate" he used that to his advantage. Yes, Finn didn't say that either, but he was probably afraid of saying something that might offend Kurt or Burt. I don't think it has anything to do with "gender roles," it was just a creepy thing to do.
*** Just for the record, when you're in high school, knowing that the guy you have a crush on is straight does exactly nothing to abate said crush. In my experience, it just makes it worse.

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** Kurt ''knew'' that Finn was straight. Finn shouldn't ''have'' to say no. Look at it this way: my sister had a crush on her gay best guy friend. If she had pressured him anyway and tried to turn him ''straight'' just because he "never really said no", would that justify defense? True, Finn's line about "no means no" was a little off, but what he meant was that Kurt completely and intentionally dismissed boundaries he knew Finn had to try and seduce him. That is not okay, and Finn was making it clear to Kurt that he better not do that again. What Kurt did was restraining order worthy--he got their parents together so that he could get closer to Finn (who, to add a pinch of Squick, should be more like a brother figure then) and when their parents made them share a room (which is just stupid. Would you put your daughter and son in the same room?) instead of doing the right thing and saying "Dad, that's not appropriate" he used that to his advantage. Yes, Finn didn't say that either, but he was probably afraid of saying something that might offend Kurt or Burt. I don't think it has anything to do with "gender roles," it was just a creepy thing to do.
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*** Just for the record, when you're in high school, knowing that the guy you have a crush on is straight does exactly nothing to abate said crush. In my experience, it just makes it worse.



**** ^Just to add: Please notice that one of the very first interactions that Finn had with Kurt had him saying that "he was flattered, but already had a date for prom", (Even before Kurt admitted being gay) while that was just him being nice, Kurt interpreted it as "I'm seeing someone now, but I might be interested if i wasn't". Kurt always respected his relationship with Quinn more than Rachel, and only did a little flirting, and started "seducing" him only after Quinn and Finn had broken up already. Since Kurt knew how Rachel acted during Finn/Quinn relationship, she was fair game.

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**** ^Just to add: Please notice that one of the very first interactions that Finn had with Kurt had him saying that "he was flattered, but already had a date for prom", (Even before Kurt admitted being gay) while that was just him being nice, Kurt interpreted it as "I'm seeing someone now, but I might be interested if i wasn't". Kurt always respected his relationship with Quinn more than Rachel, and only did a little flirting, and started "seducing" him only after Quinn and Finn had broken up already. Since Kurt knew how Rachel acted during Finn/Quinn relationship, she was fair game.



* So it's okay for a high school student (an a boy initially) to play Frank-N-Furter but not the Criminologist?! And as it was mentioned above, Will as Rocky would be unbelievably innappropriate.

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* So it's okay for a high school student (an a boy initially) to play Frank-N-Furter but not the Criminologist?! And as it was mentioned above, Will as Rocky would be unbelievably innappropriate.



* Also they had to change the lyrics for harmless words but they kept in students in their underwear, even when it's obviously making the kid uncomfortable? Or how about that Finn is so worried about being in his underwear but not that he's playing a guy who gets seduced by another man or performs in a Cabaret show in drag.
** Right, the play just being an overall bad idea for a high school performance is kinda the point of the show.

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* Also they had to change the lyrics for harmless words but they kept in students in their underwear, even when it's obviously making the kid uncomfortable? Or how about that Finn is so worried about being in his underwear but not that he's playing a guy who gets seduced by another man or performs in a Cabaret show in drag.
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** Right, the play just being an overall bad idea for a high school performance is kinda the point of the show.



** Since they did this separately from the actual play and it was hardly in-character, it's likely that Mr. Schue gave Finn an extra solo simply to show off his [[{{SarcasmMode}} spectacular singing voice.]]

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** Since they did this separately from the actual play and it was hardly in-character, it's likely that Mr. Schue gave Finn an extra solo simply to show off his [[{{SarcasmMode}} [[SarcasmMode spectacular singing voice.]]



** She did see right through it. Notice she ran out of the room, and in the very next scene, Carl storms in on the rehearsal, understandably pissed. It's pretty obvious she ran to Carl and told him exactly what was going on.
* Why does Kurt have such a problem playing Frank n'Furter? The guy has shown no hesitation to dress up in very girly clothes countless times before.

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** She did see right through it. Notice she ran out of the room, and in the very next scene, Carl storms in on the rehearsal, understandably pissed. It's pretty obvious she ran to Carl and told him exactly what was going on.
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* Why does Kurt have such a problem playing Frank n'Furter? The guy has shown no hesitation to dress up in very girly clothes countless times before.



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* So, did Mercedes' obsession with fried food a) seem to come out of nowhere, b) seem a ''little'' [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} tasteless?]]

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* So, did Mercedes' obsession with fried food a) seem to come out of nowhere, b) seem a ''little'' [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} [[UnfortunateImplications tasteless?]]



*** Not sure, Dijon was apparently fired. They probably needed to make way for more characters.
** Possibly Anthony had some interest in Mercedes. He did seem interest in her.

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*** Not sure, Dijon was apparently fired. They probably needed to make way for more characters.
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** Possibly Anthony had some interest in Mercedes. He did seem interest in her.
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** I thought it was weird that the expenses were even an issue at all. It's always been implied that Burt makes very good money, with owning his own lucrative business and everything. It's always been shown that Kurt and Burt live very well up to this point (nice clothes, expensive cars, telling Finn that they'd knock out a wall and add an addition to the house as though it was no biggie) so this "saving all our money for the Honeymoon" came pretty much out of nowhere. Sure, it will cost more than usual to maintain a household with four people as opposed to two, but not to the point of having to save up for a short trip for two to Hawaii.

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** I thought it was weird that the expenses were even an issue at all. It's always been implied that Burt makes very good money, with owning his own lucrative business and everything. It's always been shown that Kurt and Burt live very well up to this point (nice clothes, expensive cars, telling Finn that they'd knock out a wall and add an addition to the house as though it was no biggie) so this "saving all our money for the Honeymoon" came pretty much out of nowhere. Sure, it will cost more than usual to maintain a household with four people as opposed to two, but not to the point of having to save up for a short trip for two to Hawaii.



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** I always thought it was more of a case of Sue influence more than the actual rules. They got the mattresses as gifts, which some people would consider payment, and some wouldn't. By Sue's logic, New Directions should be disqualified because they performed at a wedding and got paid in food.


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** I always thought it was more of a case of Sue influence more than the actual rules. They got the mattresses as gifts, which some people would consider payment, and some wouldn't. By Sue's logic, New Directions should be disqualified because they performed at a wedding and got paid in food.

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** Quinn even calls him out in the episode on this, saying that he is doing what he hates others to do to him. He gives what is pretty much the most pathetic {{Handwave}} ever in response.

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** Quinn even calls him out in the episode on this, saying that he is doing what he hates others to do to him. He gives what is pretty much the most pathetic {{Handwave}} ever in response.



*** You see, I really don't like that excuse because Finn had just previously rejected both Quinn and Rachel because he couldn't deal with the fact that they cheated on him. That makes him into a total {{Hypocrite}}.

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*** You see, I really don't like that excuse because Finn had just previously rejected both Quinn and Rachel because he couldn't deal with the fact that they cheated on him. That makes him into a total {{Hypocrite}}.



** Not necessarily true. While most people can only catch it once, in rare cases people can get it again. Personally, this troper's had it three times now.

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** Not necessarily true. While most people can only catch it once, in rare cases people can get it again. Personally, this troper's had it three times now.



* Wouldn't it really be possible for a person to get sick off of a large amount of gummy vitamins? Regular vitamins can cause an overdose if a person takes too many. I think the gummies are made exclusively for children, which I assume means the dosage is lower, but taking a whole bottle or more seems like it'd be toxic enough to cause some problems even for a healthy adult.

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* Wouldn't it really be possible for a person to get sick off of a large amount of gummy vitamins? Regular vitamins can cause an overdose if a person takes too many. I think the gummies are made exclusively for children, which I assume means the dosage is lower, but taking a whole bottle or more seems like it'd be toxic enough to cause some problems even for a healthy adult.



* In "Laryngitis" back in Season One, when Burt walked in on Kurt and Brittany, his attitude was basically "Meh, have fun. Just wrap it up before you stick it in." But now he's flipping out because he thinks Kurt had sex with Blaine. Kurt's DoubleStandard argument would have held a lot more weight had he remembered this.

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* In "Laryngitis" back in Season One, when Burt walked in on Kurt and Brittany, his attitude was basically "Meh, have fun. Just wrap it up before you stick it in." But now he's flipping out because he thinks Kurt had sex with Blaine. Kurt's DoubleStandard argument would have held a lot more weight had he remembered this.



** I thought this, then rewound and noticed Emma, Sue, Figgins and a couple of others were all listed together as "Work Contacts". So would have been easy for him to slip and accidently call someone a couple notches up/down the list.

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** I thought this, then rewound and noticed Emma, Sue, Figgins and a couple of others were all listed together as "Work Contacts". So would have been easy for him to slip and accidently call someone a couple notches up/down the list.



* Different schools have different ideas on appropriateness. In this troper's school, all the teachers gave out cell phone/home phone/email addresses to the students, and one teacher did actually tell the class that she had picked up a kid at 3 in the morning once and would do so again if called. The school I went is the same one my family has gone to since the 30's/50's, and even when the youngest of my older family members went, teachers did not give out personal information. If a student had called them, the student would probably get in trouble for prank calling.

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* Different schools have different ideas on appropriateness. In this troper's school, all the teachers gave out cell phone/home phone/email addresses to the students, and one teacher did actually tell the class that she had picked up a kid at 3 in the morning once and would do so again if called. The school I went is the same one my family has gone to since the 30's/50's, and even when the youngest of my older family members went, teachers did not give out personal information. If a student had called them, the student would probably get in trouble for prank calling.



The reason Sunshine's 600 twitter followers didn't show up was because she wasn't performing at the event. Wouldn't the tickets have to have been sold to them beforehand? The tickets weren't to be bought at the event itself (Puck mentions selling four tickets before Sunshine's audition).

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The reason Sunshine's 600 twitter followers didn't show up was because she wasn't performing at the event. Wouldn't the tickets have to have been sold to them beforehand? The tickets weren't to be bought at the event itself (Puck mentions selling four tickets before Sunshine's audition).




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* Well, there was that line in season one when Quinn told Puck she was feeling fat. And then there was that bit in "Home" where Quinn comforts Mercedes about her MeatOVision and pressure to lose weight, saying that she'd been there, too.

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* Well, there was that line in season one when Quinn told Puck she was feeling fat. And then there was that bit in "Home" where Quinn comforts Mercedes about her MeatOVision and pressure to lose weight, saying that she'd been there, too.



Why was Will so upset about Emma choosing "Ginger" for her shirt instead of "OCD"? The purpose of the "Born This Way" song, and the whole message of the episode (at least, that I gathered) was that the group was learning to accept things about themselves that they were, you know, born with, and that they would embrace those things instead of trying to change them... hence, Rachel's nose... But Will is trying to help Emma get over her OCD. In fact, he's pushing her to do it... seeing a counselor and all that.

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Why was Will so upset about Emma choosing "Ginger" for her shirt instead of "OCD"? The purpose of the "Born This Way" song, and the whole message of the episode (at least, that I gathered) was that the group was learning to accept things about themselves that they were, you know, born with, and that they would embrace those things instead of trying to change them... hence, Rachel's nose... But Will is trying to help Emma get over her OCD. In fact, he's pushing her to do it... seeing a counselor and all that.
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I've harped on this before, but really, Dave Karofsky caves because some girl said that she saw him briefly looking a guy who ''was getting a drink at a water fountain''. Oh, and because some guy who doesn't even go to school with them anymore alluded to him having a secret. So, her evidence is, "A guy who isn't going to come back made a vague statement, and I saw Karofsky look at a boy who was getting a drink of water for a few seconds." Somehow, I'm just not seeing that as irrefutable proof of homosexuality. It would be incredibly easy to deny all memory or simply say that he was thirsty and looked to see who was getting a drink before wondering off to find an unoccupied water fountain.

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I've harped on this before, but really, Dave Karofsky caves because some girl said that she saw him briefly looking a guy who ''was getting a drink at a water fountain''. Oh, and because some guy who doesn't even go to school with them anymore alluded to him having a secret. So, her evidence is, "A guy who isn't going to come back made a vague statement, and I saw Karofsky look at a boy who was getting a drink of water for a few seconds." Somehow, I'm just not seeing that as irrefutable proof of homosexuality. It would be incredibly easy to deny all memory or simply say that he was thirsty and looked to see who was getting a drink before wondering off to find an unoccupied water fountain.



* Also, Karofksy isn't smooth or smart enough to lie like that. Even look at what he said when Satana said it to him originally, the best he could come up with was that he was checking out Sam's jeans.

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* Also, Karofksy isn't smooth or smart enough to lie like that. Even look at what he said when Satana said it to him originally, the best he could come up with was that he was checking out Sam's jeans.
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** Yet they constantly bring attention to weight issue and Artie's handicapp. In fact they've dedicated entire episodes to both of those issues (Artie trying to walk, and Mercedes trying to lose weight), I doubt a t-shirt would raise any eyebrows. There's also a valid reason for Artie not putting his injury on his shirt. He was likely born with poor vision, and it's a part of him. He didn't get his paralyzing injury until he was eight, and that was a complete accident, which isn't part of who he is.

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** Yet they constantly bring attention to weight issue and Artie's handicapp. In fact they've dedicated entire episodes to both of those issues (Artie trying to walk, and Mercedes trying to lose weight), I doubt a t-shirt would raise any eyebrows. There's also a valid reason for Artie not putting his injury on his shirt. He was likely born with poor vision, and it's a part of him. He didn't get his paralyzing injury until he was eight, and that was a complete accident, which isn't part of who he is.



Am I the only one who was bothered by that whole exchange? If Finn and pre-makeover Quinn had met, they would never have happened. If they met, and then, she had the whole makeover, maybe, but even then, I have my doubts. So, he carries around a picture of his hot girlfriend's old photo where she wasn't conventionally attractive. Okay. I didn't hate the scene, it just struck me as Finn trying to cast himself as the good, deep guy despite reality, and Quinn falling for his act. Finn can be a nice guy who has a deepness to him, but in that scene, it seemed more like he was trying to play the part rather than being it. Yet, it seems everyone else considered the exchange heartwarming and realistic.

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Am I the only one who was bothered by that whole exchange? If Finn and pre-makeover Quinn had met, they would never have happened. If they met, and then, she had the whole makeover, maybe, but even then, I have my doubts. So, he carries around a picture of his hot girlfriend's old photo where she wasn't conventionally attractive. Okay. I didn't hate the scene, it just struck me as Finn trying to cast himself as the good, deep guy despite reality, and Quinn falling for his act. Finn can be a nice guy who has a deepness to him, but in that scene, it seemed more like he was trying to play the part rather than being it. Yet, it seems everyone else considered the exchange heartwarming and realistic.
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* Also, young children generally have blonder/lighter hair which darkens as they age. Light blonde hair is not typically a normal adult/young adult color.

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* Also, young children generally have blonder/lighter hair which darkens as they age. Light blonde hair is not typically a normal adult/young adult color.
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** Because Brittany honestly didn't know she was cheating. Artie could have told her that Santana was lying and taking advantage of her, but instead decided to insult the very thing that seem to affect her the most(That's what she wrote in her shirt after all).

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** Because Brittany honestly didn't know she was cheating. Artie could have told her that Santana was lying and taking advantage of her, but instead decided to insult the very thing that seem to affect her the most(That's what she wrote in her shirt after all).



** The mean comments might've been why she disabled the comments.

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** The mean comments might've been why she disabled the comments.
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* I'm more baffled by the fact that, apparently, the Glee Club gave him a slot to sing at their prom. [[MeanGirls "HE DOESN'T EVEN GO HERE!"]]

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* I'm more baffled by the fact that, apparently, the Glee Club gave him a slot to sing at their prom. [[MeanGirls [[Film/MeanGirls "HE DOESN'T EVEN GO HERE!"]]



!!Why did Figgins even read out Kurt's name?

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!!Why did Figgins even read out Kurt's name? name?



* Kurt (and his father) have been troublesome for Figgins several times, most recently with Burt refusing to accept Figgins' word that the school was cleaned up and Karofsky was reformed. There are teachers who are not above using student bullying as a way to gain a little passive revenge on a student who's made their lives difficult. It's not a nice thought, but it's a possibility.

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* Kurt (and his father) have been troublesome for Figgins several times, most recently with Burt refusing to accept Figgins' word that the school was cleaned up and Karofsky was reformed. There are teachers who are not above using student bullying as a way to gain a little passive revenge on a student who's made their lives difficult. It's not a nice thought, but it's a possibility.



*** Maybe, but he's still called "Anderson" on official material. And even if they actually forgot it, it doesn't make sense for his last name to be the same as his own group unless the writers are trying to turn the character himself into a big joke.

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*** Maybe, but he's still called "Anderson" on official material. And even if they actually forgot it, it doesn't make sense for his last name to be the same as his own group unless the writers are trying to turn the character himself into a big joke.



!!Why does Kurt automatically assume that people voted for him to be mean?

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!!Why does Kurt automatically assume that people voted for him to be mean? mean?



***** For starters, I think the vote was rigged; I don't think everyone really voted for Kurt.

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***** For starters, I think the vote was rigged; I don't think everyone really voted for Kurt.



******* How about when we saw all the jocks surrounding him and throwing him into the dumpster in the pilot and in the second episode, before we even met Karofsky and Azimio? Or the jeers when he joined the football team?

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******* How about when we saw all the jocks surrounding him and throwing him into the dumpster in the pilot and in the second episode, before we even met Karofsky and Azimio? Or the jeers when he joined the football team? team?



******* Kurt wanted a pair of "sensible heels" for his birthday when he was little. He has called himself an "honorary girl" before. Who says you ''have'' to be ''literally'' a girl to be voted prom queen?
******** He's only called himself an "honorary girl" because he's more comfortable working with them. I don't know why this is still being debated; Kurt is unpopular, it was meant to be a cruel joke, he was offended. It's not like he was running for prom queen and won.

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******* Kurt wanted a pair of "sensible heels" for his birthday when he was little. He has called himself an "honorary girl" before. Who says you ''have'' to be ''literally'' a girl to be voted prom queen?
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******** He's only called himself an "honorary girl" because he's more comfortable working with them. I don't know why this is still being debated; Kurt is unpopular, it was meant to be a cruel joke, he was offended. It's not like he was running for prom queen and won.



*** I can get behind that, but my original point that the writers sucked this one up still stands, I think. This explanation is way better than what was actually shown, and the writers' job is to show us, not tell us, what is happeneing, and they completely screwed that up here. Everything that we assume about this plot point is either told to us or we really do have to assume it. It would have been lovely if, as someone below pointed out, the writers had the kids mounting some sort of Facebook campaign in secret. That's perfectly plausible, and could have been worked in during the three-way contemplation time right after he was announced, as could have some of the extras whispering "oh shit, that wasn't as funny as we thought it was going to be" or something like that.

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*** I can get behind that, but my original point that the writers sucked this one up still stands, I think. This explanation is way better than what was actually shown, and the writers' job is to show us, not tell us, what is happeneing, and they completely screwed that up here. Everything that we assume about this plot point is either told to us or we really do have to assume it. It would have been lovely if, as someone below pointed out, the writers had the kids mounting some sort of Facebook campaign in secret. That's perfectly plausible, and could have been worked in during the three-way contemplation time right after he was announced, as could have some of the extras whispering "oh shit, that wasn't as funny as we thought it was going to be" or something like that.



**** I thought he said that ''he'' wanted to lose, that he wanted to win Anti-Prom King to restore his street cred. If Lauren won Prom Queen, he'd be dating one of the most powerful girls in the school. And yes, it is hurtful because even if Puck had fixed it, he had an entire female audience he could have given it to and it would have had the same effect. He could have given it to Brittany. He could have given it to Becky. He could have given it to ''Sue''.

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**** I thought he said that ''he'' wanted to lose, that he wanted to win Anti-Prom King to restore his street cred. If Lauren won Prom Queen, he'd be dating one of the most powerful girls in the school. And yes, it is hurtful because even if Puck had fixed it, he had an entire female audience he could have given it to and it would have had the same effect. He could have given it to Brittany. He could have given it to Becky. He could have given it to ''Sue''.



** It definitely comes off as a major AssPull. They really should have had someone (Sue, Karofsky, Jacob Ben Israel, etc.) pulling strings/convincing other students to vote for Kurt as a joke. It seems extremely unlikely that most of the students would independently decide to do it.

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** It definitely comes off as a major AssPull. They really should have had someone (Sue, Karofsky, Jacob Ben Israel, etc.) pulling strings/convincing other students to vote for Kurt as a joke. It seems extremely unlikely that most of the students would independently decide to do it.



** You'd be surprised how quickly word flies in a high school, especially one the size of [=McKinley=]; at my high school's Valentine's Day dance last year, the student council thought it'd be fun to have us all vote on a King and Queen of the dance. A guy I know, who is mocked and made fun of by the popular kids for being 'different', was added as a last minute nominee [mind you, he had no idea he had been nominated until the day of] and everyone thought it would be hilarious if this unpopular kid managed to beat out the most popular kids in school and became 'King'. By the day of, people who had no idea who the guy even was were voting for him and he won by a major landslide. It hurt the guy's feelings a lot; which surprised a lot of people because they thought he was on board with the idea. So it's possible a lot of people voted for Kurt because they thought it was a harmless joke that Kurt wasn't bothered by.

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** You'd be surprised how quickly word flies in a high school, especially one the size of [=McKinley=]; at my high school's Valentine's Day dance last year, the student council thought it'd be fun to have us all vote on a King and Queen of the dance. A guy I know, who is mocked and made fun of by the popular kids for being 'different', was added as a last minute nominee [mind you, he had no idea he had been nominated until the day of] and everyone thought it would be hilarious if this unpopular kid managed to beat out the most popular kids in school and became 'King'. By the day of, people who had no idea who the guy even was were voting for him and he won by a major landslide. It hurt the guy's feelings a lot; which surprised a lot of people because they thought he was on board with the idea. So it's possible a lot of people voted for Kurt because they thought it was a harmless joke that Kurt wasn't bothered by.
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* He would still need to take certain "core classes" like math, science, and english as well as other electives to get enough credits to graduate. Besides, it seems like he enrolled in those classes thinking that someone would automatically take the tests for him.

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* He would still need to take certain "core classes" like math, science, and english as well as other electives to get enough credits to graduate. Besides, it seems like he enrolled in those classes thinking that someone would automatically take the tests for him.



** Agreed - at my college, there are teachers who actually advise dropping classes when you're failing so you don't have it affect your GPA.

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** Agreed - at my college, there are teachers who actually advise dropping classes when you're failing so you don't have it affect your GPA.



* It's also entirely possible that Jesse is lying and the real reason is much more embarassing. It would make sense that he would lie about it since he is trying to get back into Rachel's pants.
* I'm pretty sure it's a requirement to be accredited that you have "gen eds" (General Education) that are a requirement to get any degree, especially at a big university like UCLA. I went to a small, private, religious, liberal arts women's college, and the gen eds were (I think, it's been some time)

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* It's also entirely possible that Jesse is lying and the real reason is much more embarassing. It would make sense that he would lie about it since he is trying to get back into Rachel's pants.
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* I'm pretty sure it's a requirement to be accredited that you have "gen eds" (General Education) that are a requirement to get any degree, especially at a big university like UCLA. I went to a small, private, religious, liberal arts women's college, and the gen eds were (I think, it's been some time) time)



-->LA 101 and 102 (philosophy and women's studies, both of which were 3 hours).

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-->LA 101 and 102 (philosophy and women's studies, both of which were 3 hours).



-->And for clarity's sake/those who don't know, most college classes are 3 hours, except science labs which are 4.

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-->And for clarity's sake/those who don't know, most college classes are 3 hours, except science labs which are 4.



** It was a "mean" kind of joke, apparently. And it's this troper's opinion that the vote was rigged, Lauren or Quinn or Santana probably truly won, and the reason everybody's stone-faced is because, well, he won.

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** It was a "mean" kind of joke, apparently. And it's this troper's opinion that the vote was rigged, Lauren or Quinn or Santana probably truly won, and the reason everybody's stone-faced is because, well, he won.



** The official lyrics of {{Adele}}'s version say "...I'll lay your ship bare." So in essence, it is kind of a {{Mondegreen}}.

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** The official lyrics of {{Adele}}'s version say "...I'll lay your ship bare." So in essence, it is kind of a {{Mondegreen}}.



*** On top of that, Sue could easily manipulate Brittany. She did all last year.

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*** On top of that, Sue could easily manipulate Brittany. She did all last year.



!!ND referring to Sue by her given name.
* I didn't mind Will and Mrs Jackson referring to her as Sue, but when the ND kids were talking about her, they kept using her first name. Haven't they always referred to her by her title of Coach? Since they didn't do it to her face, I don't find it particularly disrespectful, but it did seem odd.

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!!ND referring to Sue by her given name.
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* I didn't mind Will and Mrs Jackson referring to her as Sue, but when the ND kids were talking about her, they kept using her first name. Haven't they always referred to her by her title of Coach? Since they didn't do it to her face, I don't find it particularly disrespectful, but it did seem odd.
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*** I went to a daycare where the staff was called by their first names. At school, however, everyone was Mr, one of the female equivalents (most were called Miss whether they were married or not, but sometimes a non-married teacher would be called Mrs), or Coach if they referred themselves to as that (not all coaches were actually involved in any athletics). At school, when the students discussed teachers privately, it didn't matter if they absolutely hated them, they still referred to them as Title Surname. It wasn't so much a matter of respect as the fact that the teacher was firmly established in everyone's mind as Title Surname.

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*** I went to a daycare where the staff was called by their first names. At school, however, everyone was Mr, one of the female equivalents (most were called Miss whether they were married or not, but sometimes a non-married teacher would be called Mrs), or Coach if they referred themselves to as that (not all coaches were actually involved in any athletics). At school, when the students discussed teachers privately, it didn't matter if they absolutely hated them, they still referred to them as Title Surname. It wasn't so much a matter of respect as the fact that the teacher was firmly established in everyone's mind as Title Surname.



* Not really. Jesse's initial reaction was the most accurate, the "were they suppose to do that?" vibe.

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* Not really. Jesse's initial reaction was the most accurate, the "were they suppose to do that?" vibe.



** Then they would need a female chaperone.

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** Then they would need a female chaperone.



Their relationship hasn't been properly addressed since Prom Queen and even then it was left slightly open since they took a picture together at prom. As far as I'm concerned, that meant they were back together, which would go against Quinn's comment that I mentioned earlier. I may have missed something, and if I have, someone please correct me. Because, otherwise, we have some bad writers on the Glee production team.
* Perhaps the photo just meant that Brittany more or less forgave him, but wasn't ready to get back together?

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Their relationship hasn't been properly addressed since Prom Queen and even then it was left slightly open since they took a picture together at prom. As far as I'm concerned, that meant they were back together, which would go against Quinn's comment that I mentioned earlier. I may have missed something, and if I have, someone please correct me. Because, otherwise, we have some bad writers on the Glee production team.
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* Perhaps the photo just meant that Brittany more or less forgave him, but wasn't ready to get back together? together?



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What was it? To hope that Mr. Schuester confined them all to their hotel rooms and then to further hope that Rachel and Kurt would sneak out so that she could get them disqualified? If so then Sue would be sorely disappointed in her one time protege and her extreme lack of coherent planning skills.

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What was it? To hope that Mr. Schuester confined them all to their hotel rooms and then to further hope that Rachel and Kurt would sneak out so that she could get them disqualified? If so then Sue would be sorely disappointed in her one time protege and her extreme lack of coherent planning skills.



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*** You'll probably find that DoubleStandards require at least one female chaperone, but there's no stipulation for a male on.

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!! Kurt likes boys
The assignment was, as I understood, to pick something that you don't like about yourself and embrace it, because nobody's perfect. So Rachel doesn't like her nose, but she loves herself and accepts her flaws, Quinn doesn't like having been fat and ugly, but she deals with it because it's part of her, Finn doesn't like being a terrible dancer, but he's not letting it get him down, etc. Why did Kurt put likes boys on his shirt, then? Santana's lesbian shirt makes more sense, but Kurt has been out of the closet for over a year, has a boyfriend, and tried to help someone else out with his gay issues. I feel like he's not seeing his gayness as a bad thing that he has to tolerate.

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**That's still not a good enough explanation. "Night of Neglect" is the theme as in "Winter Wonderland" or "Under the Sea". If the Glee clubbers had no other friends besides each other, what about the combo band? Don't they have parents or friends either?


** Kurt gets that level of crap because he's gay, not because he's in Glee club. He would get it whether he was in Glee or not (sad, but true). And, as said above, this is high school. No one knows how things get out, but they do and then everybody knows about them. And you're forgetting the one thing that McKinley High has that no other high school in the world has: Sue Sylvester. Sue would know what had gone down, and tell ''everybody'' with the express intention of getting Sam to leave Glee so they wouldn't be able to compete. And finally, Karofsky and Azimio slushie people for no reason other than being associated with the club, and they were especially bad to Kurt during ''Theatricality'' with the implication that this isn't unusual (see also the early series instances of dumpster dropping). When they inevitably would find out about Sam and Kurt singing a duet together they would ''definitely'' focus their energy on tormenting Sam.

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** Kurt gets that level of crap because he's gay, not because he's in Glee club. He would get it whether he was in Glee or not (sad, but true). And, as said above, this is high school. No one knows how things get out, but they do and then everybody knows about them. And you're forgetting the one thing that McKinley [=McKinley=] High has that no other high school in the world has: Sue Sylvester. Sue would know what had gone down, and tell ''everybody'' with the express intention of getting Sam to leave Glee so they wouldn't be able to compete. And finally, Karofsky and Azimio slushie people for no reason other than being associated with the club, and they were especially bad to Kurt during ''Theatricality'' with the implication that this isn't unusual (see also the early series instances of dumpster dropping). When they inevitably would find out about Sam and Kurt singing a duet together they would ''definitely'' focus their energy on tormenting Sam.



* Some schools may also -require- teachers to give out that information. I could see, based on the previous Glee club teacher incident, that McKinley would try to cultivate better communication between teachers and students so that if another incident happens there is someone the student can call and feel safe talking to, instead of banning that sort of communication and basically creating a culture of "Fear your teachers. They want to hurt you." and fostering a parents versus teacher shift-the-blame environment.

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* Some schools may also -require- teachers to give out that information. I could see, based on the previous Glee club teacher incident, that McKinley [=McKinley=] would try to cultivate better communication between teachers and students so that if another incident happens there is someone the student can call and feel safe talking to, instead of banning that sort of communication and basically creating a culture of "Fear your teachers. They want to hurt you." and fostering a parents versus teacher shift-the-blame environment.



*** He's shown to be a fan of Evita, Gypsy, Victor/Victoria, and (judging from his Riffraff impression) Rocky Horror, all of which have sexual elements.

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*** He's shown to be a fan of Evita, Gypsy, Victor/Victoria, ''Music/{{Evita}}'', ''Theatre/{{Gypsy}}'', ''VictorVictoria'', and (judging from his Riffraff Riff Raff impression) Rocky Horror, ''TheRockyHorrorPictureShow'', all of which have sexual elements.



* McKinley seems to be a TwoTeacherSchool, with either Will, Sue, Emma(Even if she's not a teacher herself)and recently Beiste and Holly doing all the work that should be other teachers, or the director. Then again, I always thought Will was some kind of Homeroom teacher, or guide of a class(No idea how to translate the concept to english). Then again, the least they could have made is mention that they talked to the parents off-screen and asked for their approval.

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* McKinley [=McKinley=] seems to be a TwoTeacherSchool, with either Will, Sue, Emma(Even if she's not a teacher herself)and recently Beiste and Holly doing all the work that should be other teachers, or the director. Then again, I always thought Will was some kind of Homeroom teacher, or guide of a class(No idea how to translate the concept to english). Then again, the least they could have made is mention that they talked to the parents off-screen and asked for their approval.



** This troper remembers having a similar sort of benefit for my school's drama club, which averages nearly full auditoriums for our shows, in which only about 30 people showed up--and my school is much larger than McKinley. While a crowd of two (Blaine and Kurt) seems a tad unrealistic, it's not altogether impossible.

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** This troper remembers having a similar sort of benefit for my school's drama club, which averages nearly full auditoriums for our shows, in which only about 30 people showed up--and my school is much larger than McKinley.[=McKinley=]. While a crowd of two (Blaine and Kurt) seems a tad unrealistic, it's not altogether impossible.



When Kurt is giving Blaine the tour of McKinley, he says "And of course you know the choir room." Uh...how, exactly? If Blaine's already been to McKinley (by which I mean more than the courtyard), then why does Kurt need to point out the rooms? And if he hasn't, then how does he already know where the choir room is?
* He wasn't pointing where the room was, he was just pointing out what it was in a general ways since Blaine already knows what choir rooms are, just not McKinley's version of it. Plus, this is probably the first time Blaine's been there after-hours where it isn't busy, so Kurt's taking the time to have a casual stroll and show him 'his home'. It's like giving a first time guest to your home a tour of your house and pointing out the bathroom.

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When Kurt is giving Blaine the tour of McKinley, [=McKinley=], he says "And of course you know the choir room." Uh...how, exactly? If Blaine's already been to McKinley [=McKinley=] (by which I mean more than the courtyard), then why does Kurt need to point out the rooms? And if he hasn't, then how does he already know where the choir room is?
* He wasn't pointing where the room was, he was just pointing out what it was in a general ways since Blaine already knows what choir rooms are, just not McKinley's [=McKinley=]'s version of it. Plus, this is probably the first time Blaine's been there after-hours where it isn't busy, so Kurt's taking the time to have a casual stroll and show him 'his home'. It's like giving a first time guest to your home a tour of your house and pointing out the bathroom.



* Quinn is really popular, it's probable that the student body at large has seen her up close enough to notice any minute resemblance between the two, and in a school like McKinley, would you want to run against Santana, Quinn or Lauren? it really couldn't have been anyone else, and of the three the picture looked the most like Quinn.

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* Quinn is really popular, it's probable that the student body at large has seen her up close enough to notice any minute resemblance between the two, and in a school like McKinley, [=McKinley=], would you want to run against Santana, Quinn or Lauren? it really couldn't have been anyone else, and of the three the picture looked the most like Quinn.



**** Yeah, but there have been lots of instances where he's done things that were extremely effeminate, like siding with the girls during the Lady Gaga episode or even going prom dress shopping with the girls. He did the "don't be a drag just be a queen" line in Born This Way. Kurt just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would be offended by being called a queen, and would in fact be flattered. Also, the McKinley student body has never been presented as very homophobic as a whole, so for them all to band together to play a mean joke on a gay student seems a odd.

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**** Yeah, but there have been lots of instances where he's done things that were extremely effeminate, like siding with the girls during the Lady Gaga episode or even going prom dress shopping with the girls. He did the "don't be a drag just be a queen" line in Born This Way. Kurt just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would be offended by being called a queen, and would in fact be flattered. Also, the McKinley [=McKinley=] student body has never been presented as very homophobic as a whole, so for them all to band together to play a mean joke on a gay student seems a odd.



** Maybe there's a middle ground in this argument? I'm in high school, and I know that one popular kid coming up with a spur-of-the-moment idea can have wide-ranging repercussions even when the idea wasn't intended to be cold-bloodedly cruel. This actually fits with one troper's assertion that the McKinley kids haven't shown themselves to be [[CompleteMonster complete homophobic monsters]]. Even though they considered Kurt a joke for the two minutes it took to vote for him, perhaps they actually felt guilty or uncomfortable when his name was unexpectedly announced, and that was why no one reacted. This theory also works with the fact that they cheered for him at his AwesomeMomentOfCrowning. They don't really hate him and were impressed by his reaction, but were being cruel, thoughtless teenagers when some popular kid told them to vote.

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** Maybe there's a middle ground in this argument? I'm in high school, and I know that one popular kid coming up with a spur-of-the-moment idea can have wide-ranging repercussions even when the idea wasn't intended to be cold-bloodedly cruel. This actually fits with one troper's assertion that the McKinley [=McKinley=] kids haven't shown themselves to be [[CompleteMonster complete homophobic monsters]]. Even though they considered Kurt a joke for the two minutes it took to vote for him, perhaps they actually felt guilty or uncomfortable when his name was unexpectedly announced, and that was why no one reacted. This theory also works with the fact that they cheered for him at his AwesomeMomentOfCrowning. They don't really hate him and were impressed by his reaction, but were being cruel, thoughtless teenagers when some popular kid told them to vote.



** You'd be surprised how quickly word flies in a high school, especially one the size of McKinley; at my high school's Valentine's Day dance last year, the student council thought it'd be fun to have us all vote on a King and Queen of the dance. A guy I know, who is mocked and made fun of by the popular kids for being 'different', was added as a last minute nominee [mind you, he had no idea he had been nominated until the day of] and everyone thought it would be hilarious if this unpopular kid managed to beat out the most popular kids in school and became 'King'. By the day of, people who had no idea who the guy even was were voting for him and he won by a major landslide. It hurt the guy's feelings a lot; which surprised a lot of people because they thought he was on board with the idea. So it's possible a lot of people voted for Kurt because they thought it was a harmless joke that Kurt wasn't bothered by.

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** You'd be surprised how quickly word flies in a high school, especially one the size of McKinley; [=McKinley=]; at my high school's Valentine's Day dance last year, the student council thought it'd be fun to have us all vote on a King and Queen of the dance. A guy I know, who is mocked and made fun of by the popular kids for being 'different', was added as a last minute nominee [mind you, he had no idea he had been nominated until the day of] and everyone thought it would be hilarious if this unpopular kid managed to beat out the most popular kids in school and became 'King'. By the day of, people who had no idea who the guy even was were voting for him and he won by a major landslide. It hurt the guy's feelings a lot; which surprised a lot of people because they thought he was on board with the idea. So it's possible a lot of people voted for Kurt because they thought it was a harmless joke that Kurt wasn't bothered by.



** Possibly because she briefly stopped working at McKinley? Maybe they didn't feel the need to call her Coach after she wasn't there anymore? Or they feel closer to her from planning her sisters funeral? I dunno. My high school didn't require us to call anyone Mr. or Mrs. anything. All staff were referred to by first names, so I'm not really sure how it goes in other schools.

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** Possibly because she briefly stopped working at McKinley? [=McKinley=]? Maybe they didn't feel the need to call her Coach after she wasn't there anymore? Or they feel closer to her from planning her sisters funeral? I dunno. My high school didn't require us to call anyone Mr. or Mrs. anything. All staff were referred to by first names, so I'm not really sure how it goes in other schools.



A school trip out of state with 13 high school students only has one male chaperone? No high school, (even one as screwed up as McKinley) would allow that.

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A school trip out of state with 13 high school students only has one male chaperone? No high school, school (even one as screwed up as McKinley) [=McKinley=]) would allow that.



** But but but he wasn't playing the piano on "Pretending!"

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** But but but he wasn't playing the piano on "Pretending!""Pretending"!


** Kurt doesn't really seem to be into modern broadway musicals as much as the classics. While it ''is'' true that older musicals do touch on this thing, most don't do it blatantly. I can think of [[PromisesPromises a few exceptions,]] but for the most part, the ones that are really famous really are a touch of the fingertips.

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** Kurt doesn't really seem to be into modern broadway musicals as much as the classics. While it ''is'' true that older musicals do touch on this thing, most don't do it blatantly. I can think of [[PromisesPromises [[Theatre/PromisesPromises a few exceptions,]] but for the most part, the ones that are really famous really are a touch of the fingertips.

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**** Not to mention how private school usually have some sort of tuition assistance, if not out right scholarship, program. Something tells me that Kurt's grades wouldn't qualify him for a scholarship, but as long as you keep your grades above a certain level and your parents' income level is below a certain level, you generally qualify for tuition assistance. Also, a lot of private schools are willing to work out different payment plans and there are always loans, or more likely, credit cards if you're particularly strapped for cash one month (or several) and you ''really'' need them.

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*** But not every private school charges an arm and a leg per annum. Hell, lots of the people who went to my ~$9000 per-year school were able to go because their parents ran a successful business like Burt does.



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** Maybe her dad was a mature student, or a chronically under-employed science graduate who decided to remedy his situation by going to med school.

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** As a person who actually works at Kings Island (note, there's no apostrophe in Kings, it relates to the location of the park, not the idea that the park is owned by a king), I can tell you that they sometimes start the auditions process as early as November for the next season... I haven't seen this episode in a while, but it, depending on what Blaine said, he may very well have been practicing for a job he had gotten for the summer season. And before anybody says "Yeah, but they called it the Kings Island Christmas spectacular!", we *have* been known to do cutesy "Christmas in July" type shows before. And, there is also the fact that there is, in the park, a decent sized amphitheater occasionally used in the off season. So although I doubt the writers researched any of this... it is possible that Blaine could have gotten a gig at KI at this time, which would at least explain why Kurt wasn't incredibly confused by this statement.


* It's true that they're unpopular, but they've been shown to be be the most tightly-knit {{Nakama}} at [=McKinley=]. I think that by "fitting in" she meant "belonging," and New Directions has shown multiple times over that they love each other, regardless of what perceived deviations from average their members may have. As for her attitude in Night of Neglect, I'm assuming she was simply doing it to please Sue, who was now no longer part of the picture.

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* It's true that they're unpopular, but they've been shown to be be the most tightly-knit {{Nakama}} TrueCompanions at [=McKinley=]. I think that by "fitting in" she meant "belonging," and New Directions has shown multiple times over that they love each other, regardless of what perceived deviations from average their members may have. As for her attitude in Night of Neglect, I'm assuming she was simply doing it to please Sue, who was now no longer part of the picture.



*** (first commenter): As well as the locker scene with Santana. Brittany mentions Artie walking as casually as she did mentioning Mike and Tina's future Asian babies. So they're probably not together, but she's forgiven him and still sees him as a member of the {{Nakama}}.

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*** (first commenter): As well as the locker scene with Santana. Brittany mentions Artie walking as casually as she did mentioning Mike and Tina's future Asian babies. So they're probably not together, but she's forgiven him and still sees him as a member of the {{Nakama}}.TrueCompanions.


* The part that annoys me here is when Brittany says that he was the only person that never called her that, but I can't imagine Mike, Tina, Sam or even Santana ever calling her stupid, it just doesn't fit with theire personalities.

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* The part that annoys me here is when Brittany says that he was the only person that never called her that, but I can't imagine Mike, Tina, Sam or even Santana ever calling her stupid, it just doesn't fit with theire their personalities.



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*The part that annoys me here is when Brittany says that he was the only person that never called her that, but I can't imagine Mike, Tina, Sam or even Santana ever calling her stupid, it just doesn't fit with theire personalities.

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** The reason only six people show up is so glaringly obvious it's the title; it's a NIGHT of NEGLECT.


Kurt is singing a song in remembrance of Pavarotti, and it's right there that Blaine realizes that he has feelings for Kurt. Later he says (while Kurt decorates Pavarotti's casket); "There is a moment where you say to yourself; oh there you are, I've been looking for you forever. And watching you perform Blackbird was the moment for me." Is it just me who finds it wrong that Blaine realized that he had feelings for Kurt, when Kurt was mourning his pet bird's death?


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Kurt is singing a song in remembrance of Pavarotti, and it's right there that Blaine realizes that he has feelings for Kurt. Later he says (while Kurt decorates Pavarotti's casket); "There is a moment where you say to yourself; oh there you are, I've been looking for you forever. And watching you perform Blackbird was the moment for me." Is it just me who finds it wrong kind of creepy that Blaine realized that he had feelings for Kurt, when Kurt was mourning his pet bird's death?




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Kurt is singing a song in remembrance of Pavarotti, and it's right there that Blaine realizes that he has feelings for Kurt. Later he says (while Kurt decorates Pavarotti's casket); "There is a moment where you say to yourself; oh there you are, I've been looking for you forever. And watching you perform Blackbird was the moment for me." Is it just me who finds it wrong that Blaine realized that he had feelings for Kurt, when Kurt was mourning his pet bird's death?




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*** I'm not saying brittany is a Troll, just comparing the fact that whoever loses their temper first loses, like it happened here. And, purposely or on accident, this is like many other conflicts in Glee that have a grey area, the people who sympathize more with Artie will think he's the victim, people who sympathize more with Brittany think she was the wronged one, so let's agree to disagree, 'cuz there is no point in keeping discussing this.



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*** Trolls aren't exactly sympathetic are they though? They're also largely unsuccessful unless the audience is gripping the IdiotBall. It also doesn't work if the troll is caught breaking the rules a la Brittany caught cheating. The only reason people see Artie as the villain is because the storyline was written to portray him as such and because Brittany is portrayed as the sympathetic CloudCuckooLander.



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*** That's how trolls works, you know? And the one who breaks the rules is the one who gets in trouble, regardless of what started it. It looks bad because Artie started being reasonable and mature, and just suddenly called names. If he had started angry from the beginning, the shock would have been a lot less.


** Anyone who commits fundamental breach of trust in a relationship, should expect stronger language than "stupid". Unless the expectation is that Artie is meant to be Jesus Christ himself, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect his response in the situation to be ''sympathy''. If the argument is that Brittany is faultless because she didn't understand that she was cheating, then the same argument exempts Artie from blame (since how was he supposed to know that run of the mill insult was going to wound her so deeply?). Lastly, cheap shots only lose you the fight if the magnitude of the other person's offence is dwarfed by your shot. If someone kills your dog, punching them in the nose in retaliation doesn't ''instantly'' make you the villain, while killing ''their'' dog in retaliation for a punch certainly loses ''you'' the moral victory.

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** Anyone who commits fundamental breach of trust in a relationship, should expect stronger language than "stupid". "stupid" from the wronged party. Unless the expectation is that Artie is meant to be Jesus Christ himself, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect his response in the situation to be ''sympathy''. ''calm explanation''. If the argument is that Brittany is faultless because she didn't understand that she was cheating, then the same argument exempts Artie from blame (since how was he supposed to know that run of the mill run-of-the-mill insult was going to [[BerzerkButton wound her so deeply?). deeply?]]). Lastly, calling someone who's just confessed to cheating on you because the other woman said it was ok "stupid" is more an accurate asessment of the situation than a cheap shots only shot. There is no "you automatically lose you the fight if because you were insulting rule" That's not how the magnitude of the other person's offence is dwarfed by world works. If it was, then being a KarmaHoudini would be as simple as making sure all your shot. If someone kills your dog, punching them in the nose in retaliation doesn't ''instantly'' make actions were horrible enough for people to call you the villain, while killing ''their'' dog in retaliation for a punch certainly loses ''you'' the moral victory.
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** Anyone who commits fundamental breach of trust in a relationship, should expect stronger language than "stupid". Unless the expectation is that Artie is meant to be Jesus Christ himself, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect his response in the situation to be ''sympathy''. If the argument is that Brittany is faultless because she didn't understand that she was cheating, then the same argument exempts Artie from blame (since how was he supposed to know that run of the mill insult was going to wound her so deeply?). Lastly, cheap shots only lose you the fight if the magnitude of the other person's offence is dwarfed by your shot. If someone kills your dog, punching them in the nose in retaliation doesn't ''instantly'' make you the villain. At the very least ''both'' parties are wrong.

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** Anyone who commits fundamental breach of trust in a relationship, should expect stronger language than "stupid". Unless the expectation is that Artie is meant to be Jesus Christ himself, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect his response in the situation to be ''sympathy''. If the argument is that Brittany is faultless because she didn't understand that she was cheating, then the same argument exempts Artie from blame (since how was he supposed to know that run of the mill insult was going to wound her so deeply?). Lastly, cheap shots only lose you the fight if the magnitude of the other person's offence is dwarfed by your shot. If someone kills your dog, punching them in the nose in retaliation doesn't ''instantly'' make you the villain. At villain, while killing ''their'' dog in retaliation for a punch certainly loses ''you'' the very least ''both'' parties are wrong.
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** Anyone who commits fundamental breach of trust in a relationship, should expect stronger language than "stupid". Unless the expectation is that Artie is meant to be Jesus Christ himself, it's somewhat unreasonable to expect his response in the situation to be ''sympathy''. If the argument is that Brittany is faultless because she didn't understand that she was cheating, then the same argument exempts Artie from blame (since how was he supposed to know that run of the mill insult was going to wound her so deeply?). Lastly, cheap shots only lose you the fight if the magnitude of the other person's offence is dwarfed by your shot. If someone kills your dog, punching them in the nose in retaliation doesn't ''instantly'' make you the villain. At the very least ''both'' parties are wrong.

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* Is it just me or is "Marry You" the worst song choice to make for an actual serious adult wedding? The lyrics are totally contrary to the message of their marriage. There are literally dozens of love songs that would have been better for the occasion, and even tons that teenagers would pick.


** Kurt ''knew'' that Finn was strait. Finn shouldn't ''have'' to say no. Look at it this way: my sister had a crush on her gay best guy friend. If she had pressured him anyway and tried to turn him ''strait'' just because he "never really said no", would that justify defense? True, Finn's line about "no means no" was a little off, but what he meant was that Kurt completely and intentionally dismissed boundaries he knew Finn had to try and seduce him. That is not okay, and Finn was making it clear to Kurt that he better not do that again. What Kurt did was restraining order worthy--he got their parents together so that he could get closer to Finn (who, to add a pinch of Squick, should be more like a brother figure then) and when their parents made them share a room (which is just stupid. Would you put your daughter and son in the same room?) instead of doing the right thing and saying "Dad, that's not appropriate" he used that to his advantage. Yes, Finn didn't say that either, but he was probably afraid of saying something that might offend Kurt or Burt. I don't think it has anything to do with "gender roles," it was just a creepy thing to do.

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** Kurt ''knew'' that Finn was strait.straight. Finn shouldn't ''have'' to say no. Look at it this way: my sister had a crush on her gay best guy friend. If she had pressured him anyway and tried to turn him ''strait'' ''straight'' just because he "never really said no", would that justify defense? True, Finn's line about "no means no" was a little off, but what he meant was that Kurt completely and intentionally dismissed boundaries he knew Finn had to try and seduce him. That is not okay, and Finn was making it clear to Kurt that he better not do that again. What Kurt did was restraining order worthy--he got their parents together so that he could get closer to Finn (who, to add a pinch of Squick, should be more like a brother figure then) and when their parents made them share a room (which is just stupid. Would you put your daughter and son in the same room?) instead of doing the right thing and saying "Dad, that's not appropriate" he used that to his advantage. Yes, Finn didn't say that either, but he was probably afraid of saying something that might offend Kurt or Burt. I don't think it has anything to do with "gender roles," it was just a creepy thing to do.


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*** Exactly. It's the show's aversion to having big numbers with zero solos from Finn or Rachel. The only time I think the show ever ended on one without them was "Dog Days Are Over," and there was a specific narrative justification created for that.



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!! Quinn's plan
What was it? To hope that Mr. Schuester confined them all to their hotel rooms and then to further hope that Rachel and Kurt would sneak out so that she could get them disqualified? If so then Sue would be sorely disappointed in her one time protege and her extreme lack of coherent planning skills.



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** Sorry, but, by default, anyone who resorts to cheap-shots below the belt loses the fight, no matter who started it. Had Artie gone on trying to make Brittany understand that not because Santana says something makes it true, then yes, he would be entitled to be all pissed at her, but alas, the sympathy is switched when he starts insulting someone.



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** It all seems to stem from the complete non-focus of the purpose of the assignment. Some seem to think it's about accepting and loving things about yourself that make you different but aren't necessarily bad things. Kurt, Rachel, Tina, Sam and Brittany (and Santana by way of Brittany and Emma initially) wear shirts to fit this idea. Rachel doesn't need a nose job to be beautiful nor does Tina need contacts. Emma shouldn't be ashamed of being a Ginger. Sam, Brittany, Kurt, and Santana's shirts all represent things that can't be changed. Others seem to think it's an excuse to avoid self-improvement. Puck thinking with his penis isn't something to embrace (which even he admits), nor are Lauren or Santana's bad attitude and bitchiness. Emma's second is some hybrid where she needs to accept that she's OCD but not embrace her OCD. It needs to change because it's causing problems in her life. Quinn,Finn,and Mike also fall into this category. So because the writers don't have a centralized message they can't put "Overweight" or "Wheelchair" on the shirt because then viewers don't know if they're saying that Artie needs to get out of his chair or if Mercedes is just giving up on ever losing weight, so you get "No Weave" which makes no sense.



** It's kind of a fine line. Quinn seemingly did it for the right reasons. She didn't like who she was as Lucy so she changed it, which is fine, at least IMO, but it a small too easy to make step to changing to please others which is more or less what Rachel was contemplating doing in this episode which you shouldn't do. It's a complicated issue and granted it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the show to examine a complex issue, present all sides of the argument, and let the viewers decide where they stand but it's not really Glee's stock in trade.

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** It's kind of a fine line. Quinn seemingly did it for the right reasons. (I'm assuming that she did it just so that she'd stop being a complete friendless loser and that her obsession with image and status came later, or grew out of it.) She didn't like who she was as Lucy so she changed it, which is fine, at least IMO, but it a small too easy to make step to changing to please others which is more or less what Rachel was contemplating doing in this episode which you shouldn't do. It's a complicated issue and granted it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the show to examine a complex issue, present all sides of the argument, and let the viewers decide where they stand but it's not really Glee's stock in trade.
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It's a pretty sad statement since he actually made the assignment but he tells the kids to make shirts about things that they should embrace about themselves rather than want to change then proceeds to tell Emma that her shirt should be about her OCD, something that she's working on changing, that she should change since it has such negative effects on her life, when being a Ginger is something that she shouldn't be ashamed of. He seems to be of the idea that self-acceptance and self-improvement are at odds with one another



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** It's kind of a fine line. Quinn seemingly did it for the right reasons. She didn't like who she was as Lucy so she changed it, which is fine, at least IMO, but it a small too easy to make step to changing to please others which is more or less what Rachel was contemplating doing in this episode which you shouldn't do. It's a complicated issue and granted it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the show to examine a complex issue, present all sides of the argument, and let the viewers decide where they stand but it's not really Glee's stock in trade.



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* There's no law that says that doctors HAVE to live in nice neighborhoods. Also there's a certain amount of bravado to Santana's persona and she could be completely blowing smoke up people's butts about her upbringing, or alternately she could have been born in a bad neighborhood and moved out later. After all she says she "from Lima Heights" not that she lives there now.

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* Brought this up elsewhere since regardless of his experience, he's an obviously poor choice as a consultant. He's trying to rekindle his failed romance with one of the leads (Rachel) and his main romantic rival is the other (Finn). In light of that glaring conflict of interest, [[ObfuscatingStupidity how could Mr. Shue expect to get honest and objective consulting out of him?]]

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* Brought this up elsewhere since regardless of his experience, he's an obviously poor choice as a consultant. He's trying to rekindle his failed romance with one of the leads (Rachel) and his main romantic rival is the other (Finn). In light of that glaring conflict of interest, [[ObfuscatingStupidity [[TooStupidToLive how could Mr. Shue expect to get honest and objective consulting out of him?]]


* Brought this up elsewhere since regardless of his experience, he's an obviously poor choice as a consultant. He's trying to rekindle his failed romance with one of the leads (Rachel) and his main romantic rival is the other (Finn). In light of that glaring conflict of interest, [[ObfuscatingStupidity how could Mr. Shue expect to get honest and objective consulting out of him?]]




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* Brought this up elsewhere since regardless of his experience, he's an obviously poor choice as a consultant. He's trying to rekindle his failed romance with one of the leads (Rachel) and his main romantic rival is the other (Finn). In light of that glaring conflict of interest, [[ObfuscatingStupidity how could Mr. Shue expect to get honest and objective consulting out of him?]]

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* Brought this up elsewhere since regardless of his experience, he's an obviously poor choice as a consultant. He's trying to rekindle his failed romance with one of the leads (Rachel) and his main romantic rival is the other (Finn). In light of that glaring conflict of interest, [[ObfuscatingStupidity how could Mr. Shue expect to get honest and objective consulting out of him?]]


*** Bach and Handel's works are justified in school settings by them being 300 or 400 years old, aren't religiously inflammatory, and are considered more in a culturally significant than a religiously evocative subtext. I think REM's Losing my Religioun or something along those lines is definitely more overtly religious (and also in a bad way)


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*** Bach and Handel's works are justified in school settings by them being 300 or 400 years old, aren't religiously inflammatory, and are considered more in a culturally significant than a religiously evocative subtext. I think REM's Losing my Religioun Religion or something along those lines is definitely more overtly religious (and also in a bad way)

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**** REM's song isn't about religion, it's referencing a colloquialism that's an analogue of "losing one's mind".



* Unless some of the posters above originally hail from [[CareBears Carealot]] asserting that calling someone "stupid" is an unreasonable response to their ''cheating'' on you is a bit hyperbolic. Sweet Jesus, that's how 6yr olds insult each other! ''"But she's got deep seated issues and that was the one thing blah blah..."'' '''CHEATING!'''

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* Unless some of the posters above originally hail from [[CareBears Carealot]] Carealot]], asserting that calling someone "stupid" is an unreasonable response to their ''cheating'' on you is a bit hyperbolic. Sweet Jesus, that's how 6yr olds insult each other! I mean it's barely a step above "doodie-head" on the scale of "terrible insults". ''"But she's got deep seated issues and that was the one thing blah blah..."'' Indeed. I'm sure it was quite hurtful, but you know what else is hurtful? '''CHEATING!'''


* Unless some of the posters above originally hail from [[CareBears Carealot]] asserting that calling someone "stupid" is an unreasonable response to their ''cheating'' on you is a bit hyperbolic. Sweet Jesus, that's how 6yr olds insult each other. "But she's got deep seated issues and that was the one thing blah blah..." '''CHEATING!'''

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* Unless some of the posters above originally hail from [[CareBears Carealot]] asserting that calling someone "stupid" is an unreasonable response to their ''cheating'' on you is a bit hyperbolic. Sweet Jesus, that's how 6yr olds insult each other. "But other! ''"But she's got deep seated issues and that was the one thing blah blah..." "'' '''CHEATING!'''



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* Unless some of the posters above originally hail from [[CareBears Carealot]] asserting that calling someone "stupid" is an unreasonable response to their ''cheating'' on you is a bit hyperbolic. Sweet Jesus, that's how 6yr olds insult each other. "But she's got deep seated issues and that was the one thing blah blah..." '''CHEATING!'''


*** [[UnfortunateImplications I'm sorry, who mentioned race as a factor?]]

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!! In "Britney/Brittany", Santana tells Carl to put her under, because her father is a doctor and she has great insurance. Later, in "New York", we're told that Santana is from Lima Heights, with the implication that this was the poor part of town. Make up your mind!


!!Blaine being bisexual
How is "yes, Blaine is gay, he was just drunk and it made him think he was bi" considered a happy ending? Blaine can be in a gay relationship and still be bi, he can be in love with Kurt and still be bi, he can never being in a relationship with another person besides Kurt for the rest of his life and still be bi. A lot of the storyline involves Blaine being the super out one who tells people to stand up for what they are, which is why he calls out Kurt for being biphobic, but the ending, if anything, means that Kurt was ''right'': that bisexuality is a myth brought on through confusion, fear of being "totally gay," or inebriation.




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!!Blaine being bisexual
How is "yes, Blaine is gay, he was just drunk and it made him think he was bi" considered a happy ending? Blaine can be in a gay relationship and still be bi, he can be in love with Kurt and still be bi, he can never being in a relationship with another person besides Kurt for the rest of his life and still be bi. A lot of the storyline involves Blaine being the super out one who tells people to stand up for what they are, which is why he calls out Kurt for being biphobic, but the ending, if anything, means that Kurt was ''right'': that bisexuality is a myth brought on through confusion, fear of being "totally gay," or inebriation.


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** The biochemical mechanism for potential effects of acupuncture is not understood; various hypotheses about neurological effects have been forwarded, but none have adequate research behind them. Ironically the method for choosing the points comes from traditional Chinese religion and was in order to maintain proper flow of "Qi." Also, the He study was looked at in the ''[[http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab007700.html Acupuncture for acute management and rehabilitation of traumatic brain injury]]'' Cochrane review, and its data excluded from the meta-analyses (as was another 29 of the 34 considered studies), because the quality of the study was judged as being too low. The Liu study was not considered. The Cochrane review found no high quality studies suggesting the use of acupuncture for brain injury, though they did find that it was the prevailing trend in low quality studies, typically those were judged to have a "high risk of bias" due to the studies' methodologies (among other issues). Notably any mention of blinding (using sham acupuncture) was nonexistent in any of the 34 acupuncture studies, whereas double-blinds are the standard in allopathic medical trials whenever possible.

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** My college makes a big deal of explaining to everyone that they're not going to go out of their way to look out for a student's academic well-being unless there appear to be external factors (like family difficulties) affecting them. A freshman missing all his core classes would be seen simply as a twit who didn't deserve the effort.


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** In my school, you have to ''ask'' for probation, and it isn't always granted. I know more than a few people who were expelled despite applying quite frantically for probation.


*** I severely doubt all of this. The only people who would know would be whoever counted the ballots. If that's Figgins, there is absolutely no way for this to get out. If it was a couple of teachers/chaperones (the most likely scenario), equal probability. If it was someone/two people on the prom committee, chances go up somewhat, but remain pretty small if Figgins asks/threatens them to keep it quiet. If it was some random students, then yeah, it'll get out, but there's basically no way this is who you'd use. In theory, you could go around polling people, but between people a) lying, b) not remembering, and c) not being asked (since there's really no way you could ask every single person) there's no way to prove it, and Figgins can say so. So, basically, maybe Figgins is too stupid to think of this, or he's idealistic/blind/stupid enough to think it was sincere, but there was no good, logical reason for him to read the name.




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** In my high school, there were specific people running, but this was not official and the ballot was a write-in. Even with a ballot with specific couples, there was probably a write-in slot, although I'm more inclined to believe it was all write-in since King and Queen were announced separately. If it was a list, it would have gone by couples, so they'd have been announced together.



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*** In theory, he could have kept himself ''that drunk'' all weekend/Sunday, which would in fact have him not feeling hung over (he still would be, but he'd be numbed out enough to not notice) and give him a much worse hangover Monday, but eventually runs the risk of alcohol poisoning. My personal belief, in any case, is that it was a school night and it was just bad decision-making. Being a teacher doesn't make you immune to it and texts from last night tells us that people drink when they have work in the morning plenty of the time. (The people on TFLN are probably a bit younger than Will, but Will was with Terri from high school to his early 30s, so he almost definitely missed out on a lot of "youthful" things and is essentially only just living what should have happened in his college years.)

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*** Bach and Handel's works are justified in school settings by them being 300 or 400 years old, aren't religiously inflammatory, and are considered more in a culturally significant than a religiously evocative subtext. I think REM's Losing my Religioun or something along those lines is definitely more overtly religious (and also in a bad way)




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** Children's vitamins are actually higher-dose (growing people need a lot more of everything than maintaining people who only need some things). So yes, this makes it even more of a question although it may be easier to reverse an overdose of the children's ones (which makes sense to design them that way as an accidental overdose is more likely with a smaller person who may not know better).



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* I'm pretty sure it's a requirement to be accredited that you have "gen eds" (General Education) that are a requirement to get any degree, especially at a big university like UCLA. I went to a small, private, religious, liberal arts women's college, and the gen eds were (I think, it's been some time)
-->9 hours of English courses (3 of which had to be Freshman Comp)
-->7 hours of science (4 of which had to be a lab)
-->6 hours of math
-->6 hours of a foreign language
-->6 hours of religion
-->LA 101 and 102 (philosophy and women's studies, both of which were 3 hours).
-->"Developmental" (aka remedial, below-college-level courses) credits didn't count.
-->And for clarity's sake/those who don't know, most college classes are 3 hours, except science labs which are 4.
* So, that's 40 hours out of the 120 that makes up a standard degree, plus any remedial classes he needed (which seems likely given how babied he was through high school). In theory, he could have waited on his gen eds and yes, had all theatre classes, but most people don't do that and some colleges require you to take specific classes your first semester.


* I highly disagree. Glasses, hair color, and weight don't change your appearance ''that'' much. She still had basically the same face and anyone with any skill at faces would connect it immediately. The few who don't connect faces as easily would pretty quickly hear it from their friends.




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* This troper doesn't go by her legal first name and didn't go by it in high school. I didn't bother most years, but junior year I approached every teacher (that didn't already know me) on the first day before the period started with "Hi, the roster says Scarlett, but I wanted to let you know that's me and I prefer Carley." They all wrote a little note on the sheet and no one heard my real name all day. (This didn't cover substitutes, but if I'd been really committed to running from my real name rather than just mildly annoyed, I'm sure I could have done the same thing and been fine.)


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* So, did Mercedes' obsession with fried food a) seem to come out of nowhere, b) seem a ''[[{{Understatement}} little]]'' [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} tasteless?]]

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* So, did Mercedes' obsession with fried food a) seem to come out of nowhere, b) seem a ''[[{{Understatement}} little]]'' ''little'' [[{{UnfortunateImplications}} tasteless?]]



*** This troper is inclined to agree that Kurt is more uncomfortable thinking about ''himself'' in sexual situations as opposed to ignorant about sex. Remember that he tried watching porn but started thinking about what the actors' mothers would say. Also, most of the old-fashioned musicals Kurt loves aren't exactly big on [[Understatement homosexual sex]], for all of their provacative content. Considering that he didn't even consider his makeout session with Brittany as a kiss "that counted"...

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*** This troper is inclined to agree that Kurt is more uncomfortable thinking about ''himself'' in sexual situations as opposed to ignorant about sex. Remember that he tried watching porn but started thinking about what the actors' mothers would say. Also, most of the old-fashioned musicals Kurt loves aren't exactly big on [[Understatement homosexual sex]], sex, for all of their provacative provocative content. Considering that he didn't even consider his makeout session with Brittany as a kiss "that counted"...



****** And yet in several episodes it's shown that he ''does'' think of himself as "one of the girls" rather frequently. [[{{Understatement}} The whole issue is complicated]]

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****** And yet in several episodes it's shown that he ''does'' think of himself as "one of the girls" rather frequently. [[{{Understatement}} The whole issue is complicated]]complicated.



*** Kurt is Puck's friend and Lauren is his girlfriend. [[JerkJock Early Season One Puck]] I could see making a move like that, but [[JerkWithaHeartOfGold Late Season Two Puck]] I can't. Not when Puck has come to Kurt's defense against Karofsky's bullying earlier in the season. AND he wants to sleep with Lauren. Killing her chances at being Prom Queen is a [[UnderStatement really bad way]] to accomplish that goal.

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*** Kurt is Puck's friend and Lauren is his girlfriend. [[JerkJock Early Season One Puck]] I could see making a move like that, but [[JerkWithaHeartOfGold Late Season Two Puck]] I can't. Not when Puck has come to Kurt's defense against Karofsky's bullying earlier in the season. AND he wants to sleep with Lauren. Killing her chances at being Prom Queen is a [[UnderStatement really bad way]] way to accomplish that goal.



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** ALSO, most of the ND members (even Brittany, of all people) were looking at the math with confused faces. They knew it was wrong, Schue didn't.


** That doesn't explain the thing with Rachel. Jessse is now an adult who is employed by the highschool where Rachel is a atudent. Their relationship under those conditions sounds like an episode of LawAndOrderSVU. Oooh, can we have UnStabler show up and haul Jesse off in cuffs?

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** That doesn't explain the thing with Rachel. Jessse is now an adult who is employed by the highschool where Rachel is a atudent.student. Their relationship under those conditions sounds like an episode of LawAndOrderSVU. Oooh, can we have UnStabler show up and haul Jesse off in cuffs?



*** The difference being that she ''had to'' manipulat Brittany. She was always direct with Becky, and she went along with all the schemes willingly

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*** The difference being that she ''had to'' manipulat manipulate Brittany. She was always direct with Becky, and she went along with all the schemes willingly


*** Maybe tween audiences might, but everyone above that age would probably think it was unprofessional. And it was. I tend to agree with the 'was that right'-vibe.

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*** Maybe tween audiences might, but everyone above that age would probably think it was unprofessional. And it was. I tend to agree with the 'was that right'-vibe.
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**** I've been to show choir performances where people showed a bit too much affection on stage. The judges would probably not like it, but the teenagers and plenty of older people in the audience would have been screaming. Complete silence is ludicrous. Almost as ludicrous as the idea of writing songs the day before competition.




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** Probably just an instance of DidNotDoTheResearch. And, you know, it's fiction, and the show isn't really aimed at the demographic that's going to be uber-nitpicky about such things anyway.



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* Except, Mercedes and Rachel only loaned him $20. He borrowed the suit from his dad, and considering ND was performing the entire night, you'd think they'd be allowed to attend without having to pay for their tickets. So, really, all he needed to pay for was the optional extras that go along with prom: dinner afterward, and what not, which he could have foregone if he wanted to and just attended and sung with the group. The only reason I could think that he couldn't make it was because he needed to look after his siblings, but that doesn't seem to be an issue at all.



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*** Maybe tween audiences might, but everyone above that age would probably think it was unprofessional. And it was. I tend to agree with the 'was that right'-vibe.



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*I don't understand. She overcame everything she didn't like about her. She transformed herself; she chose how she wanted to look, then did everything she could to reach that goal. In the end, she managed to look like she wanted to look, rise above any mockery and look herself in the mirror with pride. At no point does the episode allude to her thinking worse of herself because of this changes. She even said it: "I loved myself, that's why I did all those things." She was miserable, and now she isn't. I'm not saying she's happy, but none of her current problems are related to her looks. She became all she wanted to be. How is that not awesome? Why shouldn't other girls look up to her? A person who decided that just because nature had decided that she was ugly didn't mean it had be this way? She's a testament to human power. What makes me scratch my head is why this is supposed to be a bad thing.



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** You'd be surprised how quickly word flies in a high school, especially one the size of McKinley; at my high school's Valentine's Day dance last year, the student council thought it'd be fun to have us all vote on a King and Queen of the dance. A guy I know, who is mocked and made fun of by the popular kids for being 'different', was added as a last minute nominee [mind you, he had no idea he had been nominated until the day of] and everyone thought it would be hilarious if this unpopular kid managed to beat out the most popular kids in school and became 'King'. By the day of, people who had no idea who the guy even was were voting for him and he won by a major landslide. It hurt the guy's feelings a lot; which surprised a lot of people because they thought he was on board with the idea. So it's possible a lot of people voted for Kurt because they thought it was a harmless joke that Kurt wasn't bothered by.


Am I the only one who was bothered by that whole exchange? If Finn and pre-makeover Quinn had met, they would never have happened. So, he carries around a picture of his hot girlfriend's old photo where she wasn't conventionally attractive. Okay. I didn't hate the scene, it just struck me as Finn trying to cast himself as the good, deep guy despite reality, and Quinn falling for his act. Yet, it seems everyone else considered the exchange heartwarming and realistic.

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Am I the only one who was bothered by that whole exchange? If Finn and pre-makeover Quinn had met, they would never have happened. If they met, and then, she had the whole makeover, maybe, but even then, I have my doubts. So, he carries around a picture of his hot girlfriend's old photo where she wasn't conventionally attractive. Okay. I didn't hate the scene, it just struck me as Finn trying to cast himself as the good, deep guy despite reality, and Quinn falling for his act. Finn can be a nice guy who has a deepness to him, but in that scene, it seemed more like he was trying to play the part rather than being it. Yet, it seems everyone else considered the exchange heartwarming and realistic.

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Am I the only one who was bothered by that whole exchange? If Finn and pre-makeover Quinn had met, they would never have happened. So, he carries around a picture of his hot girlfriend's old photo where she wasn't conventionally attractive. Okay. I didn't hate the scene, it just struck me as Finn trying to cast himself as the good, deep guy despite reality, and Quinn falling for his act. Yet, it seems everyone else considered the exchange heartwarming and realistic.



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* because they didn't know the whole story? For all they knew it was "OMG, Quinn used to be fat! Maybe I can be like her and become pretty and popular!"


*** Going for coffee can be a date. It would help if we knew the context of how they know each other. It's unlikely they grew close enough for Jeremiah to tell Blaine he's gay just from Blaine going to his store a lot. Do they have a mutual friend, in which case dating isn't explicitly implied, or did they meet on MatchmakerDotCom where it usually is?

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*** Going for coffee can be a date. It would help if we knew the context of how they know each other. It's unlikely they grew close enough for Jeremiah to tell Blaine he's gay just from Blaine going to his store a lot. Do they have a mutual friend, in which case dating isn't explicitly implied, or did they meet on MatchmakerDotCom dating service where it usually is?

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Alright, instead of of the whole fiasco causing Quinn to get less votes, it causes her to get idolized by the overweight and homely female students. They treat her like a hero. It would have been different if she had just lost some weight and got the acne medication for health/appearence purposes. But she got lost weight, got rid of her acne, got contacts, dyed her hair and got a FREAKIN nose job and had herself be called by a different name. How can these people think that exterminating every single aspect of yourself to become 'perfect' is good?



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** ''What'' "recent news", and how recent as of, say, July 2011?


*** You should write for the show. MissedMomentofAwesome?

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*** You should write for the show. MissedMomentofAwesome?That would have been awesome.



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** Speaking from experience, audiences, especially young audiences, cheer LOUDLY for any sort of intimate contact that goes on onstage. The first poster is correct.


**** It might not be court-worthy and Finn was probably hyperbolizing when he said that, but Kurt was still overstepping his boundaries. He mistook Finn's kindness for something deeper and didn't know when to back off when Finn didn't return the affection. And let's be real. Even if Finn ''was'' gay or bi, that's still [[TokenShipping no reason to date by itself]]. Finn was only nice to Kurt ''because he's a decent person.'' Kurt's behavior would still be creepy and stalkerish if Finn were gay; setting up the parents to date as a ploy to get closer to him just sounds like a subtle IHaveYouNowMyPretty (the look on Kurt's face when Burt and Carol announced they were dating only confirmed this). And by the way, it's a little silly to point out that gay people don't get off on ''themselves'', because that's just weird no matter which way you swing (narcissist much?).

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**** It might not be court-worthy and Finn was probably hyperbolizing when he said that, but Kurt was still overstepping his boundaries. He mistook Finn's kindness for something deeper and didn't know when to back off when Finn didn't return the affection. And let's be real. Even if Finn ''was'' gay or bi, that's still [[TokenShipping [[TokenMinorityCouple no reason to date by itself]]. Finn was only nice to Kurt ''because he's a decent person.'' Kurt's behavior would still be creepy and stalkerish if Finn were gay; setting up the parents to date as a ploy to get closer to him just sounds like a subtle IHaveYouNowMyPretty (the look on Kurt's face when Burt and Carol announced they were dating only confirmed this). And by the way, it's a little silly to point out that gay people don't get off on ''themselves'', because that's just weird no matter which way you swing (narcissist much?).



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** Let's see. He's a CampGay boy who has always been a target of general bullying because of his appearance and assumed sexuality, who we find out in the next episode has been violently bullied for some time by one of the scariest guys in the school ''specifically'' because of his sexuality, who in the previous episode had an attempt to ''make friends'' with another boy overbearingly policed and shut down by a JerkJock because of fears that he'd give Finn's mini-me gay cooties, who is repeatedly referred to as "Lady" - a nickname intended to be demeaning - by a teacher, and who's just been through a frightening ordeal in which he almost lost his only surviving parent for whom he has since become the primary carer. It's not a question of there being no reason why Kurt wouldn't want to add to his stress levels and make himself even more of a target by playing Frank in the character's traditional costume in front of an audience of his schoolmates (not to mention the...awkwardness...of playing Frank opposite Finn immediately after 'Duets'). It's more a question of whether anyone could possible come up with a reason why he ''would'' want to at this point in time. The costume issues are probably just the only ones he's prepared to admit to in public, given that in 2x06 he's barely willing to admit to Schue that he's being bullied even after Schue practically saw it happen and admits he knows it's going on out of sight.



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** The mean comments might've been why she disabled the comments.



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** Yet they constantly bring attention to weight issue and Artie's handicapp. In fact they've dedicated entire episodes to both of those issues (Artie trying to walk, and Mercedes trying to lose weight), I doubt a t-shirt would raise any eyebrows. There's also a valid reason for Artie not putting his injury on his shirt. He was likely born with poor vision, and it's a part of him. He didn't get his paralyzing injury until he was eight, and that was a complete accident, which isn't part of who he is.



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*** Welcome to the experience of living as an atheist in a world of people who have unexamined religious privilege and expect it to be accommodated. It's not an {{Aesop}} so much as an uncomfortable illustration of how things can often end up working out for the atheist in this sort of situation.

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**** Duh, because she's the dumbest character on the show.



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** This troper remembers having a similar sort of benefit for my school's drama club, which averages nearly full auditoriums for our shows, in which only about 30 people showed up--and my school is much larger than McKinley. While a crowd of two (Blaine and Kurt) seems a tad unrealistic, it's not altogether impossible.

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** Since they did this separately from the actual play and it was hardly in-character, it's likely that Mr. Schue gave Finn an extra solo simply to show off his [[{{SarcasmMode}} spectacular singing voice.]]



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* Also, Karofksy isn't smooth or smart enough to lie like that. Even look at what he said when Satana said it to him originally, the best he could come up with was that he was checking out Sam's jeans.


** Right, the play just being an overall bad idea for a high school performance is kinda the point of the show.




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** She did see right through it. Notice she ran out of the room, and in the very next scene, Carl storms in on the rehearsal, understandably pissed. It's pretty obvious she ran to Carl and told him exactly what was going on.
* Why does Kurt have such a problem playing Frank n'Furter? The guy has shown no hesitation to dress up in very girly clothes countless times before.


** Semi-explained in story. Will wanted Kurt to do the role(That alone is UnfortunateImplications...) he refused and Mike wanted to portray it, but his parents pulled him from the role. There weren't any other boys to play the role, and even if they were, they would be afraid of the same thing that happened to Mike happened to them(Notice that Mike wasn't able to participate in the end)

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** Semi-explained in story. Will wanted Kurt to do the role(That role (that alone is UnfortunateImplications...) and after he refused and Mike wanted to portray it, but his parents pulled him from the role. There weren't any other boys to play the role, and even if they were, they would be afraid of the same thing that happened to Mike happened to them(Notice them (notice that Mike wasn't able to participate in the end)end).


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** Even with an explaination for why Mercedes took the role, it's still odd that by changing the line 'I'm not much of a man' to 'I'm not much of a girl' in ''Sweet Transvestite'', they actually changed the character of Frank into a woman, instead of it being a woman playing a man's part. A woman playing a woman dressing as a woman... is not a transvestite in any shape or form.


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** Artie's line is "Why are you so stupid?" It's not meant to be cruel, it's an expression of frustration at Brittany's willful failure to see anything wrong with her behavior or Santanna's manipulation. saying that something isn't wrong "because someone else said so" only lets you dodge responsibility for so long.

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** Artie's line is "Why are you so stupid?" It's not meant to be cruel, it's an expression of frustration at Brittany's willful failure to see anything wrong with her behavior or Santanna's Santana's manipulation. saying that something isn't wrong "because someone else said so" only lets you dodge responsibility for so long.



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* Them being shown together as the ending to season 2 might of all been for nothing if recent news is true.





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** They lampshaded this in Born This Way when Burt tells about how he and Carole were spending money they didn't have to pay for Dalton.



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** I've always figured it was because Finn knew Kurt was trying to put the moves on Sam and was trying to save him from the consequences of being the victim of a faulty gaydar. I know I'm not wording this in the best way, but that's what I thought.



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*** But it's a really confusing aesop(if they are trying to have one) as Kurt and Sue are the ones who learn to tolerate other people's religions, but no one really apologizes to Kurt for how they treated him.


** Character Development?(Or Derailing) Remember that between the whole "Push it" thing and this one, is "Like a Virgin" where she realizes she's not ready yet.

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** Character Development?(Or Derailing) Remember that between the whole "Push it" thing and this one, is "Like a Virgin" where she realizes she's not ready yet.
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* You can believe that celibacy is unrealistic for EVERYONE and wrong to make everyone be celibate but still want to be celibate yourself. That was Rachel's point to the Celibacy Club.



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** To be fair, Sue isn't actually positioned as ther bad guy in the episode as a whole - it's just that there are certain characters (Mercedes and Emma particularly) who perceive her as such and say so, in fairly clear demonstrations of their religious privilege. The episode as a whole is largely non-judgmental toward Sue's actions, even giving her the final word in the argument with Emma, and Sue's increasingly positive relationship with Kurt in episodes following this one suggest that he appreciates her support of his wishes and they have achieved a certain level of mutual respect.



* Theres also no Aesexual, Pansexual, Omnisexual, or Transvestite/gender.

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* Theres also no Aesexual, Asexual, Pansexual, Omnisexual, or Transvestite/gender.




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* Puck and Rachel do seem to have established a sort-of friendship since she stopped trying to use him to make Finn jealous. In 'Special Education' he admits without prompting that he 'kind of likes' her, after all, and they have a shared religious community.




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** Probably this - as well as the fact that Becky has several friends in the choir (not just Finn, but Kurt - Burt, after all, knew Becky at least vaguely in "Theatricality" and Brittany too). But it's worth noting that Down Syndrome isn't a disease; it's a developmental disability.



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*** The 'Blaine Warbler' thing is a ''joke''. In-universe, out of universe, in all the universes that ever existed, it's just one through-running ''joke'', and not really that hard to get...



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** For all Rachel's constant showing-off, she doesn't actually know all that much about the real world of Broadway as compared to her fantasy Broadway?




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** And that is why they lost, and that is why I'm glad about it. Given the current track record of AesopAmnesia as far as performing in competition (Finchel can't cover all the songs, they need to not argue and band together), they may or may not learn from it next year.


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** And that is why they lost, and that is why I'm glad about it. Given the current track record of AesopAmnesia as far as performing in competition (Finchel can't cover all the songs, they need to not argue and band together), they may or may not learn from it next year.

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***Except that they explicitly stated multiple times on the show that they only lost because of the kiss, not because they were drastically unprepared.




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!! Sue being considered the bad guy in this particular episode.
* I'm pretty sure Sue's attempts to get the Glee club to stop singing religious songs was, in part, an extension of her wanting to destroy the Glee club. However, it was also clearly done in an attempt to help a kid who, when asked, did tell her yes, he would like it done. And then, later, Emma demands Sue justify her attempts to help Kurt, defending the Glee kid's obnoxious, isolating attitude towards their friend's polite, firm request they don't shove their beliefs down his throat. Sue makes several good points, one of which is that Burt could die, and Emma really should be doing her job and helping him deal with that fact. Yes, prayer and faith can be wonderful for people who believe, and if Kurt did believe, Emma should definitely encourage his friends to use religion/faith to help him. However, whether he believes or not, whether she encourages prayer or not, she should be helping him come to terms with the very real fact his father could die. Also, since he doesn't believe and went as far as to accept a teacher's offer to try to help him get the club to stop pushing beliefs he's uncomfortable with at him, Emma, whatever her faith or lack of, should be doing what Sue, who is an athletic coach rather than a guidance counselor, is trying to do and get Kurt's friends to leave the emotionally devastated boy alone if they can't find some way to help him that he's comfortable with. Perhaps she could tell them to privately pray (as Puck did) and suggest some practical ways of showing support such as inviting him over for the night, bringing him food, offering to listen should he want to talk, or even just sitting quietly with him and holding his hand. I never thought I'd find an episode where I'd rush to Sue's defence or praise Puck, who did pray for Burt and Kurt but never once that I can remember tried to shove his beliefs onto Kurt or punish him for not accepting theism, but yeah, here I am. Sue and Puck were the heroes of episode, Kurt was let down numerous times by the people he'd come to emotionally rely on, Emma should've been fired, and the majority of ND was a good example of why many devoutly religious people are uncomfortable expressing their faith in public for fear they'll automatically be labelled intrusive, emotionally manipulative, and incapable of legitimately loving, or even just respecting, others due to supposed strings attached to that love/respect.



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* In-universe answer: Teenagers aren't exactly known for being steadfast and logical. Real world answer: ''Glee'' isn't exactly known for its fantastic continuity.




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*** Ah! This is what I get for trusting internet lyrics sites. That makes way more sense. Thank you!

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!!Rachel telling Finn she's not having sex until she's 25
Whatever happened to the Rachel from the start of Season 1? You know, the one who announces to Finn and the entire Celibacy Club that it's unrealistic to wait until marriage (that's what protection is for), and that, and I quote, "Girls want sex just as much as guys do!"? Now all of a sudden it's "When I'm 25 and I've won a bunch of Tonies and I'm ready to have intercourse and babies..." ''Seriously?'' I have a hard time buying that. (Unless this is a case of ExecutiveMeddling...)


!!Rolling in the Deep




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** The official lyrics of {{Adele}}'s version say "...I'll lay your ship bare." So in essence, it is kind of a {{Mondegreen}}.


* I may be missing a [[Mondegreen]], but... did Glee really get away with not censoring the word "shit" in Rolling in the Deep? ''How??''

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* I may be missing a [[Mondegreen]], but... did Glee really get away with not censoring the word "shit" in Rolling in the Deep? ''How??''



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!!Writing their song for Nationals the week before the competition
* [[FlatWhat What]]. Instead of, maybe, deciding on their setlist a reasonable period of time in advance? Creating an adequate choreography (see S2 Sectionals)? Preparing props (see Umbrella/Singing in the Rain)? Or just... freaking practicing? ... What?





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* Okay, I get that Will was just trying to get close to Emma, but wouldn't Emma see right through Will's needing to work on "Touch-a Touch-a Touch me" seeing as he has approximately half a line? You can't invoke DuetBonding with a solo! [[WildMassGuessing Or maybe that was]] [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation the entire point]].


* Given that there was specific candidates for prom King/Queen then any votes for Kurt should have been thrown out when they were being counted as he wasn't running.

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* Given that there was specific candidates for prom King/Queen then shouldn't any votes for Kurt should have been thrown out when they were being counted as he wasn't running.



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* Given that there was specific candidates for prom King/Queen then any votes for Kurt should have been thrown out when they were being counted as he wasn't running.



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!!The Cats tickets
* Wait a minute. Rachel Berry didn't know that Cats had closed a decade ago? Rachel? RuleOfFunny be damned, how would she fall for that?




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* The line is still in the full version of the song, so I guess it was just cut for time. Chalk it up to poor planning by the editors.




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* It means that putting something about her weight or race on there would have been too controversial, and they couldn't think of anything else that Mercedes might not like about herself. Same reason Artie's shirt said "Four Eyes" even though we all know he's way more self-conscious about being in a wheelchair.

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!! Mercedes' T-shirt
What the hell is 'No Weave' meant to mean?


** Yes, exactly. If Finn were a girl he wouldn't be able to put out a restraining order, he would have been accused of "leading him on" and "playing coy" even though he had no interest. Kurt was doing what society teaches men to do and Finn was actually doing what society teaches women to do. Men are taught that persistence pays off when it comes to persuing, and women are taught not to be too assertive or they'll come off as "bitchy". It's a messed up situation no matter what gender the people involved are, but it's judged more harshly when it's two men and the more feminine one is playing the wrong role against the more masculine one. In fact, [[HilariousInHindsight people would probably have no problem with a masculine gay guy persuing Kurt in the same fashion]].
** Kurt ''knew'' that Finn was strait. Finn shouldn't ''have'' to say no. Look at it this way: my sister had a crush on her gay best guy friend. If she had pressured him anyway and tried to turn him ''strait'' just because he "never really said no", would that justify defense? True, Finn's line about "no means no" was a little off, but what he meant was that Kurt completely and intentionally dismissed boundries he knew Finn had to try and seduce him. That is not okay, and Finn was making it clear to Kurt that he better not do that agian. What Kurt did was restraining order worthy--he got their parents together so that he could get closer to Finn (who, to add a pinch of Squick, should be more like a brother figure then) and when their parents made them share a room (which is just stupid. Would you put your daughter and son in the same room?) instead of doing the right thing and saying "Dad, that's not appropriote" he used that to his advantage. Yes, Finn didn't say that either, but he was probably afraid of saying something that might offend Kurt or Burt. I don't think it has anything to do with "gender roles," it was just a creepy thing to do.

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** Yes, exactly. If Finn were a girl he wouldn't be able to put out a restraining order, he would have been accused of "leading him on" and "playing coy" even though he had no interest. Kurt was doing what society teaches men to do and Finn was actually doing what society teaches women to do. Men are taught that persistence pays off when it comes to persuing, and women are taught not to be too assertive or they'll come off as "bitchy". It's a messed up situation no matter what gender the people involved are, but it's judged more harshly when it's two men and the more feminine one is playing the wrong role against the more masculine one. In fact, [[HilariousInHindsight people would probably have no problem with a masculine gay guy persuing pursuing Kurt in the same fashion]].
** Kurt ''knew'' that Finn was strait. Finn shouldn't ''have'' to say no. Look at it this way: my sister had a crush on her gay best guy friend. If she had pressured him anyway and tried to turn him ''strait'' just because he "never really said no", would that justify defense? True, Finn's line about "no means no" was a little off, but what he meant was that Kurt completely and intentionally dismissed boundries boundaries he knew Finn had to try and seduce him. That is not okay, and Finn was making it clear to Kurt that he better not do that agian.again. What Kurt did was restraining order worthy--he got their parents together so that he could get closer to Finn (who, to add a pinch of Squick, should be more like a brother figure then) and when their parents made them share a room (which is just stupid. Would you put your daughter and son in the same room?) instead of doing the right thing and saying "Dad, that's not appropriote" appropriate" he used that to his advantage. Yes, Finn didn't say that either, but he was probably afraid of saying something that might offend Kurt or Burt. I don't think it has anything to do with "gender roles," it was just a creepy thing to do.



* Finn says that if Sam does a duet with Kurt "He'll get so much crap, he'll HAVE to quit Glee club", which neatly ignores that Kurt probably gets that level of "crap" every day, but also ignores the basic issue of WHO would be giving him crap, and how they would find out about the Duet. For every number except Kurt's "Le Jazz Hot" number, the only people who saw the kids perform were the other Glee clubbers and the backing band. It's not like Kurt and Sam would be performning their duet at nationals or in front of the school. Someone would have to outright go and TELL the school jocks/bullies that they did a duet together, and ignoring why anyone would be motivated to do that, I have serious doubts about how much flak Sam would get for "So I heard you sang a gay little song with that Hummel kid".

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* Finn says that if Sam does a duet with Kurt "He'll get so much crap, he'll HAVE to quit Glee club", which neatly ignores that Kurt probably gets that level of "crap" every day, but also ignores the basic issue of WHO would be giving him crap, and how they would find out about the Duet. For every number except Kurt's "Le Jazz Hot" number, the only people who saw the kids perform were the other Glee clubbers and the backing band. It's not like Kurt and Sam would be performning performing their duet at nationals or in front of the school. Someone would have to outright go and TELL the school jocks/bullies that they did a duet together, and ignoring why anyone would be motivated to do that, I have serious doubts about how much flak Sam would get for "So I heard you sang a gay little song with that Hummel kid".



** The way I saw it, his injury meant he couldn't play football again for the rest of the season, and he joined Glee Club because it was the only other extracurric that he was interested in.

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*** It is an unfortunate implication, but I could understand why Will might have first picked Kurt as Frank'n'furter. Frank'n'furter is pretty much the main character and gets to do a lot, so this might have been Will being nice to Kurt and giving him a bigger role in performances like he's been wanting since Defying Gravity. Also, if you had to cast the Glee club members as roles in Rocky Horror, would you really not pick Kurt first as this role? Artie had unfortunate implications pushed onto him too, but at least it wouldn't be out of place and he could have a role than something doing with the background.


!! Quinn's Haircut
Obviously, the show was trying to invoke ImportantHaircut with Quinn as an attempt for her to get beyond Finn dumping her. I don't have issue with the show trying to develop the characters, and the scene with Quinn, Santana, and Brittany was nice and well acted. My problem was that after the haircut, no one brought it up. I usually find myself struck by ImportantHaircut, but the way she just appeared with short hair and have not a single person mention how good she looks or even joke on it made me question why they did it. If they wanted Quinn to do something to try to get beyond Finn, there were so many other options like getting a tattoo or getting a special piercing. Those at least had a lot more potential for humor or relating to the episode's message of being swept into the hype of New York City. It just bothers me

!! Quinn's Big Plan
Did I miss something, or did the writers completely fail to follow up on last week's cliffhanger? Someone told me the plan was to ruin everything by telling on Rachel and getting her suspended, but Quinn had no way of knowing that opportunity would present itself. Someone else said it was the haircut, but that was Santana's idea. (Not to mention, that's a pretty lame excuse for a "big plan" and could have been done in Lima as easily as New York.) So what the heck?
** The plan was, basically, wait for Rachel/Finn/both to sneak off and tell Mr. Shue, at which time he would be in hot water and the Glee club would have to go back home and may-or-may-not be dispanded. Not the best plan, but it may have worked.
** A better way to give quinn her HeelFaceTurn would be to have her talk to beth over the phone, you know, her ****ing daughter no one seems to remember?
*** While that would have been nice and especially convenient considering Shelby and Beth were said to be residing in New York, one: Beth can't talk yet. Two: There was no way it would've fit in the plot. Three: The writers probably forgot about that.
*** Don't most adoption systems believe in clean breaks? Quinn has given her baby up, she basically has no baby.
**** Open adoptions (in which the birth mother stays in contact) are becoming more and more common, but Quinn made it pretty clear that she had no interest in such an arrangement. Contacting Shelby and Beth now would be really out of character.

!! The Kiss Cost Them The Win?
I get that it was unprofessional, but couldn't the thing that cost them Nationals be that, I don't know, they didn't even have their set list ready before they got to New York?! The one thing Jesse got right last week was that you seriously need to practice if you want to get anywhere. Vocal Adrenaline practics almost 24/7 and placed on top. Shouldn't that be a clue?
* Well, considering they came up with those original songs the ''day before the competition'', and Will did seem confident as they entered the building, my guess is that they were all confident that those original songs were so good in their opinion that they could have placed if it wasn't for the kiss. And judging by audience reaction to "Light Up The World," they probably could have. But yes you do have a point. They deserved to lose if ''that'' was their work ethic. Maybe the judges were super-conservative.
* I don't know exactly how judging works in show choir competitions, but marching band competitions occasionally are decided by as little as a fraction of a point. They were up against the best show choirs in the nation. Something as unprofessional as the kiss could easily have knocked them down a few places if the scores were close enough. Remember, they only missed out on the top ten by two spots.

!! Not preparing for NATIONALS
I was flabbergasted when they decided to 'let New York be their inspiration' and prepare the songs '''the day before the competition'''. That was so wrong and totally arrogant of the club I was actually happy when they ended up in the twelfth place. And I don't think that was the writers' intent. And why didn't Schuester prompt/force (so to speak) them to prepare earlier? My, have they been flanderizing him this season...
* Remember last episode? [[SarcasmMode They were busy planning a funeral.]]



!! Rachel buying tickets to see Cats
I know it was a joke, but it was such a spectacularly bad joke that I need to go over it. Rachel is supposed to be well versed in musical theater, so how does she not know that Cats is no longer playing on Broadway? I know the guy she bought the tickets from was crazy because she said he swiped her credit card on his butt crack, but that is even more confusing. I see that they are trying to play him as crazy, but it still is strange. Why would he carry about 12 small slips of paper designed to look like tickets for Cats? And if he was trying to get money, then why did he take a credit card? Shouldn't they have at least joked about her losing money or something? Also, what would swiping it in his buttcrack accomplish? Is he mad that she paid in credit? Is it just that he is mad? I shouldn't be looking at this joke so much but it is so bad and confusing that I have to address it. They create such a troubling offscreen character that it is making me more concerned about why this would be than what was actually going on!
** Thank God I'm not the only one who noticed that.



!!Sleeping Arrangements
Rachel sleeps alone in a dubble-bed while Quinn sleeps in a chair. WTF?
* It might be her own choice, Rachel and Quinn don't really get on together so Quinn would probably protest like that.
* It looked more like a case of drop where you stop to me. Rachel did still have hold of a pencil and notebook after all.
** Speaking as someone who has been on a trip very similar to New Directions with my own high school glee club when beds are limited it's first come first served. If you don't want to share with whoever got there before you too bad so sad.

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Rachel sleeps alone in a dubble-bed while Quinn sleeps in a chair. WTF?
* It might be her own choice, Rachel and Quinn don't really get on together so Quinn would probably protest like that.
* It looked more like a case of drop where you stop to me. Rachel did still have hold of a pencil and notebook after all.
** Speaking as someone who has been on a trip very similar to New Directions with my own high school glee club when beds are limited it's first come first served. If you don't want to share with whoever got there before you too bad so sad.

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** That was my first guess, but I feel like that still should have been a topic for a different episode or something. It really [[BrokenAesop broke the message]] for me as I was watching the episode. Some things are okay to be born with, but other things aren't.

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**** What reason would they have for keeping it secret though, if they've been together this long? None of the Glee Club would have any reason to oppose them being together. Their families potentially could have a problem, but their friends wouldn't, especially not Kurt who was the one who [[JerkAss bitched]] at Mercedes that what she needs is a boyfriend. Unless it's just a lazy excuse to HandWave that the one scene in Prom Queen is the only time they've ever even interacted beforehand.

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**** What reason would they have for keeping it secret though, if they've been together this long? None of the Glee Club would have any reason to oppose them being together. Their families potentially could have a problem, but their friends wouldn't, especially not Kurt who was the one who [[JerkAss bitched]] at Mercedes that what she needs is a boyfriend. Unless it's just a lazy excuse to HandWave that the one scene in Prom Queen is the only time they've ever even interacted beforehand.



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** Then there's also the lazy way out, keeping it a secret was just more fun.



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**** What reason would they have for keeping it secret though, if they've been together this long? None of the Glee Club would have any reason to oppose them being together. Their families potentially could have a problem, but their friends wouldn't, especially not Kurt who was the one who [[JerkAss bitched]] at Mercedes that what she needs is a boyfriend. Unless it's just a lazy excuse to HandWave that the one scene in Prom Queen is the only time they've ever even interacted beforehand.


** They want to reveal their relationship to the others with a SHOWSTOPPING MUSICAL NUMBER''!

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** They want to reveal their relationship to the others with a SHOWSTOPPING ''SHOWSTOPPING MUSICAL NUMBER''!



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* They say (the writers) they're going to explain this in the next season. My thories are:
** Mercedes's parents don't want her dating a white and/or poor boy.
** Sam's parents don't want him dating a black girl.
** The above theories about keeping it low for a while.
** They don't actually want to keep it a secret and just wonder if anyone noticed.
** They want to reveal their relationship to the others with a SHOWSTOPPING MUSICAL NUMBER''!


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Rachel sleeps alone in a dubble-bed while Quinn sleeps in a chair. WTF?



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** Thank you, I agree completely. That irritated me to no end. I can't fathom why they would have cut it. Hell, the line is five freaking seconds long. I can't see any good excuse for having cut such an important part of the song and the message of the episode.



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*** Watch the end of Light Up the World again. Sam is the first person Mercedes goes to when they're celebrating. I think they've been together since Prom Queen but are just better at keeping secrets than the other members of the group (especially because Mercedes is usually the one that tells people stuff anyway).



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** Also, it was after they lost because of Finchel, they might think that the club won't be very supportive.



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* MAYBE the tickets were also available on the event? Besides, the scene does paint Sunshine as kind of a bitch, as one thing is to say "I'm not going to attend" and another different "I'm not attending the event, but please go guys, it's a for good cause"



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* It's High School(Or more accurately, Glee's Theme Park Version of a High School). ANY rumor, no matter how insane is, would be very very hard to stop, even for a supposedly popular person like Karofsky is. Add that Karofsky is ''dead scared'' of being outed, and he jumped at the conclusion of "SHE KNOWS!"



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* Sam and Mercedes have both had bad experiences trying to date people in Glee; they probably figure there will be less drama if they keep their relationship to themselves for as long as possible. Believe it or not, this is TruthInTelevision: my first boyfriend wanted to "keep it quiet" at first for similar reasons.



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* Wouldn't it really be possible for a person to get sick off of a large amount of gummy vitamins? Regular vitamins can cause an overdose if a person takes too many. I think the gummies are made exclusively for children, which I assume means the dosage is lower, but taking a whole bottle or more seems like it'd be toxic enough to cause some problems even for a healthy adult.


* They probably only just got together; they probably want to keep it to themselves for a little while.

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* They probably only just got together; they probably want to keep it to themselves for a little while.



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* They probably only just got together; they probably want to keep it to themselves for a little while.

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!!"You think they know?"
Why did Mercedes and Sam have to hide the fact that they'd hooked up? Kurt ''is'' a close friend.

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!!The money
The reason Sunshine's 600 twitter followers didn't show up was because she wasn't performing at the event. Wouldn't the tickets have to have been sold to them beforehand? The tickets weren't to be bought at the event itself (Puck mentions selling four tickets before Sunshine's audition).



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** [[FridgeHorror I assumed that was just Jesse using hyperboles]]...




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*** (first commenter): Yes, well, I forgot about that. Thanks for pointing that out.



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** They didn't just dance together at prom--Sam told Mercedes she looked beautiful, in exactly the way Mercedes had recently told Rachel she wanted. That's TV shorthand for "Aw, look, Mercedes is going to get her happy ending!" Of course, the two had barely interacted before that moment, so it still kind of came out of nowhere, but oh well. They're cute together.

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* They were technically each other's dates at prom (since I doubt Jesse could get in without technically being Rachel's date). They were shown dancing together at least twice, but that's about it. I don't think they'd previously interacted much. Then again, that's where PairTheSpares comes in and we can assume things just "grew from there."

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!!Sam and Mercedes hooking up at some point after coming home from Nationals
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* Didn't they mention members dying during rehearsal? Maybe that happened a lot.

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!! Santana's blackmail
I've harped on this before, but really, Dave Karofsky caves because some girl said that she saw him briefly looking a guy who ''was getting a drink at a water fountain''. Oh, and because some guy who doesn't even go to school with them anymore alluded to him having a secret. So, her evidence is, "A guy who isn't going to come back made a vague statement, and I saw Karofsky look at a boy who was getting a drink of water for a few seconds." Somehow, I'm just not seeing that as irrefutable proof of homosexuality. It would be incredibly easy to deny all memory or simply say that he was thirsty and looked to see who was getting a drink before wondering off to find an unoccupied water fountain.



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* I was disturbed by this as well. I think the show tries to make jokes sometimes without making them things the characters would actually say. That's my issue with this joke, because Rachel has no motivation to choose Run Joey Run above any good song she has sung on the show. It's just a really bad joke.



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** I'm assuming that anyone old enough to read this page is aware that an angry comment made in the heat of the moment can really hurt someone. Artie was understandably frustrated and lashed out. Unfortunately, the insult he chose hit Brittany a little too close to home. He may not even have been aware of how Brittany feels about being called stupid: a lot of people put up a brave front about something that really bothers them. I personally make a lot of jokes about my appearance. That doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt if someone close to me pointed out how plain I am. Likewise, Brittany generally acts so carefree that it's not immediately obvious how self-consious she is about her intelligence. Having the one person who's never called her stupid do so, even if it was without thinking, had to have caused her a lot of pain.



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* I don't know exactly how judging works in show choir competitions, but marching band competitions occasionally are decided by as little as a fraction of a point. They were up against the best show choirs in the nation. Something as unprofessional as the kiss could easily have knocked them down a few places if the scores were close enough. Remember, they only missed out on the top ten by two spots.



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*** I'm not sure about that one. The members of All-State Chorus at this troper's school stayed overnight several hours away; we had several boys, but all of our chaperones were female.




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** Thank God I'm not the only one who noticed that.




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* Yeah, I noticed that, too. My guess was that the change of director has something to do with it-- Dustin seems more the type to kick people out ''en masse'' simply because he dislikes them or they aren't "good enough." As for Hell-O, I would assume that was just a practice or something, because they had a larger number again at Regionals.



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*** (first commenter): As well as the locker scene with Santana. Brittany mentions Artie walking as casually as she did mentioning Mike and Tina's future Asian babies. So they're probably not together, but she's forgiven him and still sees him as a member of the {{Nakama}}.



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*** While that would have been nice and especially convenient considering Shelby and Beth were said to be residing in New York, one: Beth can't talk yet. Two: There was no way it would've fit in the plot. Three: The writers probably forgot about that.



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** A better way to give quinn her HeelFaceTurn would be to have her talk to beth over the phone, you know, her ****ing daughter no one seems to remember?



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** Yeah, I assumed that just meant that they were going to stay friends. Brittany made it perfectly clear that she wasn't going to take him back after he sang "Isn't She Lovely?"

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More of a nitpicking thing than anything, but how come in "Pilot" Vocal Adrenaline seemingly had around thirty members, in "Hell-O" they seemed to have around twenty, and now they barely seem to have more members than New Directions?



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*** I noticed that too, and I was a little sad.
** Then they would need a female chaperone.


** I think it's just a mild case of DidNotDoTheResearch. And it's ''Vocal Adrenaline''. They're the kind who allegedly doesn't give a damn if one of their members died during a rehearsal. And since she's their female lead (why do they never have a male and female lead at the same time anyway?) they probably don't have any replacements on hand. (And wasn't her green card given to her by Vocal Adrenaline's uber-rich booster club or whatever anyway?)

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** I think it's just a mild case of DidNotDoTheResearch. And it's ''Vocal Adrenaline''. They're the kind who allegedly doesn't give a damn if one of their members died during a rehearsal. And since she's their female lead (why do they never have a male and female lead at the same time anyway?) they probably don't have any replacements on hand. (And wasn't her green card given to her by Vocal Adrenaline's uber-rich booster club or whatever anyway?)
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* Remember last episode? [[SarcasmMode They were busy planning a funeral.]]


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** But but but he wasn't playing the piano on "Pretending!"


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* Perhaps the photo just meant that Brittany more or less forgave him, but wasn't ready to get back together?

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!! Not preparing for NATIONALS
I was flabbergasted when they decided to 'let New York be their inspiration' and prepare the songs '''the day before the competition'''. That was so wrong and totally arrogant of the club I was actually happy when they ended up in the twelfth place. And I don't think that was the writers' intent. And why didn't Schuester prompt/force (so to speak) them to prepare earlier? My, have they been flanderizing him this season...

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!! The Popular Girls not having boyfriends
Quinn says that all three of them aren't in relationships...Wait, what? As far as I know, Karofsky and Santana are still 'together,' even if they aren't serious. And I'll grant that Quinn may know that with her and Santana being close and her comment on Santana's sexuality a few seconds later. But there's still one thing about this that bothers me.

Artie and Brittany.

Their relationship hasn't been properly addressed since Prom Queen and even then it was left slightly open since they took a picture together at prom. As far as I'm concerned, that meant they were back together, which would go against Quinn's comment that I mentioned earlier. I may have missed something, and if I have, someone please correct me. Because, otherwise, we have some bad writers on the Glee production team.

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!! Rachel buying tickets to see Cats
I know it was a joke, but it was such a spectacularly bad joke that I need to go over it. Rachel is supposed to be well versed in musical theater, so how does she not know that Cats is no longer playing on Broadway? I know the guy she bought the tickets from was crazy because she said he swiped her credit card on his butt crack, but that is even more confusing. I see that they are trying to play him as crazy, but it still is strange. Why would he carry about 12 small slips of paper designed to look like tickets for Cats? And if he was trying to get money, then why did he take a credit card? Shouldn't they have at least joked about her losing money or something? Also, what would swiping it in his buttcrack accomplish? Is he mad that she paid in credit? Is it just that he is mad? I shouldn't be looking at this joke so much but it is so bad and confusing that I have to address it. They create such a troubling offscreen character that it is making me more concerned about why this would be than what was actually going on!


* Well, considering they came up with those original songs the day before the competition, and Will did seem confident as they entered the building, my guess is that they were all confident, that those original songs were so good in their opinion that they could have placed if it wasn't for the kiss. And judging by audience reaction to "Light Up The World," they probably could have. But yes you do have a point. They deserved to lose if ''that'' was their work ethic.

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* Well, considering they came up with those original songs the day ''day before the competition, competition'', and Will did seem confident as they entered the building, my guess is that they were all confident, confident that those original songs were so good in their opinion that they could have placed if it wasn't for the kiss. And judging by audience reaction to "Light Up The World," they probably could have. But yes you do have a point. They deserved to lose if ''that'' was their work ethic. Maybe the judges were super-conservative.

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!! Chaperones?
A school trip out of state with 13 high school students only has one male chaperone? No high school, (even one as screwed up as McKinley) would allow that.



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** The plan was, basically, wait for Rachel/Finn/both to sneak off and tell Mr. Shue, at which time he would be in hot water and the Glee club would have to go back home and may-or-may-not be dispanded. Not the best plan, but it may have worked.



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* Well, considering they came up with those original songs the day before the competition, and Will did seem confident as they entered the building, my guess is that they were all confident, that those original songs were so good in their opinion that they could have placed if it wasn't for the kiss. And judging by audience reaction to "Light Up The World," they probably could have. But yes you do have a point. They deserved to lose if ''that'' was their work ethic.

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!! The Kiss Cost Them The Win?
I get that it was unprofessional, but couldn't the thing that cost them Nationals be that, I don't know, they didn't even have their set list ready before they got to New York?! The one thing Jesse got right last week was that you seriously need to practice if you want to get anywhere. Vocal Adrenaline practics almost 24/7 and placed on top. Shouldn't that be a clue?



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!! Quinn's Big Plan
Did I miss something, or did the writers completely fail to follow up on last week's cliffhanger? Someone told me the plan was to ruin everything by telling on Rachel and getting her suspended, but Quinn had no way of knowing that opportunity would present itself. Someone else said it was the haircut, but that was Santana's idea. (Not to mention, that's a pretty lame excuse for a "big plan" and could have been done in Lima as easily as New York.) So what the heck?

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!! Quinn's Haircut
Obviously, the show was trying to invoke ImportantHaircut with Quinn as an attempt for her to get beyond Finn dumping her. I don't have issue with the show trying to develop the characters, and the scene with Quinn, Santana, and Brittany was nice and well acted. My problem was that after the haircut, no one brought it up. I usually find myself struck by ImportantHaircut, but the way she just appeared with short hair and have not a single person mention how good she looks or even joke on it made me question why they did it. If they wanted Quinn to do something to try to get beyond Finn, there were so many other options like getting a tattoo or getting a special piercing. Those at least had a lot more potential for humor or relating to the episode's message of being swept into the hype of New York City. It just bothers me

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!!The audience reaction to the Finn/Rachel kiss at the end of their duet.

While Jesse ''may'' be right that the kiss cost them the championship (as opposed to the songs not actually being super amazing), any music audience in the world would have been on their feet cheering that kiss at the end of that type of duet. Even if it did go on for a little too long.



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** I think it's just a mild case of DidNotDoTheResearch. And it's ''Vocal Adrenaline''. They're the kind who allegedly doesn't give a damn if one of their members died during a rehearsal. And since she's their female lead (why do they never have a male and female lead at the same time anyway?) they probably don't have any replacements on hand. (And wasn't her green card given to her by Vocal Adrenaline's uber-rich booster club or whatever anyway?)


Sunshine has a green card, which would have been issued by the ''US'' Citizenship and Immigration Services. The ''Philippine'' Embassy has no authority over visas issued by ''another country'''s immigration service; having been to the American Embassy or Consulate to the Philippines to interview for her student visa for her foreign exchange, she'd probably ''know'' it's the US that handles their immigration, not the Philippines. And even when visas are revoked, it's not like USCIS immediately tracks down the illegal immigrant for deportation in most cases (anecdata: I've overstayed a revoked visa by a week and immigration never tried to contact me).

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!!Sunshine's solution to getting away from Vocal Adrenaline.
Sunshine has a green card, which would have been issued by the ''US'' Citizenship and Immigration Services. The ''Philippine'' Embassy has no authority over visas issued by ''another country'''s immigration service; having been to the American Embassy or Consulate to the Philippines to interview for her student visa for her foreign exchange, she'd probably ''know'' it's the US that handles their immigration, not the Philippines. And even when visas are revoked, it's not like USCIS immediately tracks down the illegal immigrant for deportation in most cases (anecdata: I've overstayed a revoked visa by a week and immigration never tried to contact me).

And why does she even need to get deported to leave? Is she expecting Dustin to kidnap her from the airport unless she explains she cannot legally be in the country? (Well, okay, in Glee-verse that could probably happen.) Why does she even need to leave the ''country''? She and her mom could move anywhere in the US; it's not Sunshine's still on a student visa tied to her school (and even then she could get it transferred to another school).

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* Because he raised Kurt and not Blaine, so Kurt naturally spent his early life around cars. Besides, take a look at Blaine- well-dressed, well-spoken, nice hair, and he goes to Dalton- not a very blue-collar kind of guy. Burt himself said at one point that it strained his family's finances to send Kurt there, so presumably most Dalton students are very well-off. Most rich kids wouldn't do their own auto work, they'd hire someone like Burt to do it for them. So Burt probably figured Blaine just had enough money not to have to spend any time working on a car with his own hands.



*** Not to mention that Lauren probably figured it was easier to let Quinn do part of the work for her. Just spreading a rumor saying the person on the poster is Quinn would spread quickly but would always have an undercurrent of possible falsehood. Putting up the poster and letting Quinn angrily tear it down in front of a huge chunk of the student body practically proved it was her.




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* Because she was in massive denial about needing any treatment and about some of the harsher effects it had on her life, and he figured it would be the first step to helping her get better, forgetting the initial point of the shirts in the first place? Or perhaps acknowledging it with a positive attitude was a lot better than letting it ruin her marriage and conquer her life like it had been up til that point? Again, she was in denial, and that probably made things ''much'' worse than admitting she needed help.

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** I used to be a teacher, and even though I'm not anymore, my former students can't bring themselves to call my by my first name. I even tried to get one of them to do it, just to mess with her, and she seriously couldn't call me anything but Mrs. West.



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* New Directions has a lot of diversity among its members, so maybe she or her mother felt that her disease would be more accepted among them.



*** Is he really employed by the school? The way it's portrayed, it's possible Will hired him on his own, or even possible he's "working" for free.
**** Beng a contractor would give him a little more leeway, but dating a student could still screw up this show choir consulting busiess he's trying to get off the ground. Jesse might only be fresh out of high school himself, but that part of the story will get dropped as he gets older. What would be the first thing to come to your mind if you heard that a coach's assistant at the local high school had a thing going on with a student? One whiff of impropriety will get you booted.

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**** Beng a contractor would give him a little more leeway, but dating a student could still screw up this show choir consulting busiess he's trying to get off the ground. Jesse might only be fresh out of high school himself, but that part of the story will get dropped as he gets older. What would be the first thing to come to your mind if you heard that a coach's assistant at the local high school had a thing going on with a student? One whiff of impropriety will get you booted.
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**** Beng a contractor would give him a little more leeway, but dating a student could still screw up this show choir consulting busiess he's trying to get off the ground. Jesse might only be fresh out of high school himself, but that part of the story will get dropped as he gets older. What would be the first thing to come to your mind if you heard that a coach's assistant at the local high school had a thing going on with a student? One whiff of impropriety will get you booted.



!! No Sam, you normally would NOT agree with Finn. What are you talking about Finn? Building a performance around one person is EXACTLY New Directions style.
* I don't quite see what you're getting at - that New Directions does numbers like, say, "Highway to Hell" or "Bohemian Rhapsody" where Jesse does 90% of the singing (which they don't, not really)? What Finn is referring to as "ND's style" is flashy group numbers where everybody sings like "Don't Stop Believing." There are solos, yes, but it's focused on the entire club. The number of times they've done that outweigh the times they don't (like "Valerie" or "Get it Right." "Don't Rain on My Parade" was a last-minute thing.)

!! Why did they bother with so many unnecessary songs in this episode?
It's a common law of musicals that the best songs are the ones that progress the stories. If they reveal motivation, develop character, or push the musical forward, then they are usually meaningful and great. Glee obviously has the issue of only doing covers and therefore having to sometimes pick songs that fit an episodic theme. Still, did anyone find the auditions for the solo to be so meaningless and tiring? I won't deny that Santana, Kurt, Mercedes, and Rachel sang well, but I found the plot to be so fundamentally weak that it just irritated me. It brought the episode to a halt just so we could have more songs to sell on iTunes. I know Glee is expensive and it helps Fox out by giving them some money, but I began to notice some issues with the use of the songs on the show.

Because Glee can't always find songs to progress the story, they just picked songs to fill half the episode with. "Pure Imagination" was the one song that had any emotional connection to the episode, and even though they could have found any song to fill the place, it had some heart and allowed us to see Sue in a state of vulnerability, which I absolutely love when they do the sort of thing ("Landslide" was one of my favorite songs from this season because of this as well). But when it came to the audition songs, it showed a fundamental weakness in the songs, where the characters could basically sing anything and it wouldn't affect the plot. How did they decide to do this? They had the characters sing songs from artists and shows they have already done to death before.

Santana sang {{Amy Winehouse}}. That's the second time she has sung something with Winehouse and the third time the show used a song by Winehouse ("Rehab", "Valerie", "Back to Black"). Kurt sang a song from {{Gypsy}}, the second time he has sung something from that show ("Rose's Turn" and "Some People"), and it once again brought up the fact that he tends to sing songs from Broadway shows traditionally sung by women (the entire "Defying Gravity" subplot from {{Wheels}}). Mercedes once again sang a classic song performed by African-American musicians that allowed her to belt out as many notes as she could (I won't even list), and Rachel sang Barbra Streisand, being the SIXTH Streisand song sung on this show ("One Less Bell to Answer", "Don't Rain on my Parade", "Funny Girl", "Get Happy/Happy Days are Here Again", "Papa, Can you Here Me?", and "My Man") and the third song from {{Funny Girl}}.

I know these songs reflect the characters, but isn't this old news? My point is that the four songs they sang were so uninteresting (as song choices, not as performances) that they could have sang anything, and my ranting shows that I don't really enjoy when they could be singing anything. It is just copying and pasting song titles for no reason.
* Some of the songs did have some relevance to characters: Santana's song connected to her unhappiness over her situation with Brittany; Rachel's connected to her relationships with Finn and Jesse; and Kurt's both showcased the increased professionalism he's learnt from the Warblers and put a spotlight on his commitment, ambition and - through the dance element - his roundedness as a performer (all things that have been backgrounded in Season 2 due to other plots), as well as acting as a commentary on Schue's discontented feeling that he's one of the people who's 'got the dream but not the guts'. The only one that didn't really connect to anything was Mercedes', and that had a [[LampshadeHanging lampshade hung on it]] by Jesse in the dialogue.

!!Will rejecting Becky
Was it really necessary? Will has accepted people who are openly hostile to the ND before, and Beiste and him forced the football team to join ND despite being a week away from the championship. It's not like they already have a set list and are rehearsing it. If he didn't want Becky to perform with the other kids(Which would be kinda unfair for the other members of the club), he still could have accepted her under those conditions, it's not like they're overflowing with members.
* My problem with it was the delivery. Instead of saying that he could help try to get to the bottom of why she was kicked off the Cheerios, or saying that he won't be able to get her into Nationals but that she can join unofficially/at school immediately (granted, it took me longer than a couple of seconds to figure out how to phrase the part after "won't be able to get her into Nationals", but that part alone could have solved the problem of Nationals), he responded to "I just want to fit in" with "I'm sorry, but we just don't have a place for you". Cold, William Schuster. Cold and ''cruel''.

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\n!! No Sam, you normally would NOT agree with Finn. What are you talking about Finn? Building a performance around one person is EXACTLY New Directions style.\n* I don't quite see what you're getting at - that New Directions does numbers like, say, "Highway to Hell" or "Bohemian Rhapsody" where Jesse does 90% of the singing (which they don't, not really)? What Finn is referring to as "ND's style" is flashy group numbers where everybody sings like "Don't Stop Believing." There are solos, yes, but it's focused on the entire club. The number of times they've done that outweigh the times they don't (like "Valerie" or "Get it Right." "Don't Rain on My Parade" was a last-minute thing.)\n\n!! Why did they bother with so many unnecessary songs in this episode?\nIt's a common law of musicals that the best songs are the ones that progress the stories. If they reveal motivation, develop character, or push the musical forward, then they are usually meaningful and great. Glee obviously has the issue of only doing covers and therefore having to sometimes pick songs that fit an episodic theme. Still, did anyone find the auditions for the solo to be so meaningless and tiring? I won't deny that Santana, Kurt, Mercedes, and Rachel sang well, but I found the plot to be so fundamentally weak that it just irritated me. It brought the episode to a halt just so we could have more songs to sell on iTunes. I know Glee is expensive and it helps Fox out by giving them some money, but I began to notice some issues with the use of the songs on the show.\n\nBecause Glee can't always find songs to progress the story, they just picked songs to fill half the episode with. "Pure Imagination" was the one song that had any emotional connection to the episode, and even though they could have found any song to fill the place, it had some heart and allowed us to see Sue in a state of vulnerability, which I absolutely love when they do the sort of thing ("Landslide" was one of my favorite songs from this season because of this as well). But when it came to the audition songs, it showed a fundamental weakness in the songs, where the characters could basically sing anything and it wouldn't affect the plot. How did they decide to do this? They had the characters sing songs from artists and shows they have already done to death before.\n\nSantana sang {{Amy Winehouse}}. That's the second time she has sung something with Winehouse and the third time the show used a song by Winehouse ("Rehab", "Valerie", "Back to Black"). Kurt sang a song from {{Gypsy}}, the second time he has sung something from that show ("Rose's Turn" and "Some People"), and it once again brought up the fact that he tends to sing songs from Broadway shows traditionally sung by women (the entire "Defying Gravity" subplot from {{Wheels}}). Mercedes once again sang a classic song performed by African-American musicians that allowed her to belt out as many notes as she could (I won't even list), and Rachel sang Barbra Streisand, being the SIXTH Streisand song sung on this show ("One Less Bell to Answer", "Don't Rain on my Parade", "Funny Girl", "Get Happy/Happy Days are Here Again", "Papa, Can you Here Me?", and "My Man") and the third song from {{Funny Girl}}.\n\nI know these songs reflect the characters, but isn't this old news? My point is that the four songs they sang were so uninteresting (as song choices, not as performances) that they could have sang anything, and my ranting shows that I don't really enjoy when they could be singing anything. It is just copying and pasting song titles for no reason.\n* Some of the songs did have some relevance to characters: Santana's song connected to her unhappiness over her situation with Brittany; Rachel's connected to her relationships with Finn and Jesse; and Kurt's both showcased the increased professionalism he's learnt from the Warblers and put a spotlight on his commitment, ambition and - through the dance element - his roundedness as a performer (all things that have been backgrounded in Season 2 due to other plots), as well as acting as a commentary on Schue's discontented feeling that he's one of the people who's 'got the dream but not the guts'. The only one that didn't really connect to anything was Mercedes', and that had a [[LampshadeHanging lampshade hung on it]] by Jesse in the dialogue.\n\n!!Will rejecting Becky\nWas it really necessary? Will has accepted people who are openly hostile to the ND before, and Beiste and him forced the football team to join ND despite being a week away from the championship. It's not like they already have a set list and are rehearsing it. If he didn't want Becky to perform with the other kids(Which would be kinda unfair for the other members of the club), he still could have accepted her under those conditions, it's not like they're overflowing with members.\n* My problem with it was the delivery. Instead of saying that he could help try to get to the bottom of why she was kicked off the Cheerios, or saying that he won't be able to get her into Nationals but that she can join unofficially/at school immediately (granted, it took me longer than a couple of seconds to figure out how to phrase the part after "won't be able to get her into Nationals", but that part alone could have solved the problem of Nationals), he responded to "I just want to fit in" with "I'm sorry, but we just don't have a place for you". Cold, William Schuster. Cold and ''cruel''.\n

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* I don't quite see what you're getting at - that New Directions does numbers like, say, "Highway to Hell" or "Bohemian Rhapsody" where Jesse does 90% of the singing (which they don't, not really)? What Finn is referring to as "ND's style" is flashy group numbers where everybody sings like "Don't Stop Believing." There are solos, yes, but it's focused on the entire club. The number of times they've done that outweigh the times they don't (like "Valerie" or "Get it Right." "Don't Rain on My Parade" was a last-minute thing.)

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Was it really necessary? Will has accepted people who are openly hostile to the ND before, and Beiste and him forced the football team to join ND despite being a week away from the championship. It's not like they already have a set list and are rehearsing it. If he didn't want Becky to perform with the other kids(Which would be kinda unfair for the other members of the club), he still could have accepted her under those conditions, it's not like they're overflowing with members.

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Was it really necessary? Will has accepted people who are openly hostile to the ND before, and Beiste and him forced the football team to join ND despite being a week away from the championship. It's not like they already have a set list and are rehearsing it. If he didn't want Becky to perform with the other kids(Which would be kinda unfair for the other members of the club), he still could have accepted her under those conditions, it's not like they're overflowing with members.
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* My problem with it was the delivery. Instead of saying that he could help try to get to the bottom of why she was kicked off the Cheerios, or saying that he won't be able to get her into Nationals but that she can join unofficially/at school immediately (granted, it took me longer than a couple of seconds to figure out how to phrase the part after "won't be able to get her into Nationals", but that part alone could have solved the problem of Nationals), he responded to "I just want to fit in" with "I'm sorry, but we just don't have a place for you". Cold, William Schuster. Cold and ''cruel''.

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*** Now I'm confused. Didn't someone toward the back of the crowd (or offscreen some distance from the camera's microphones) applaud, and then stop because no one else was clapping or cheering? I thought that was an indication that at least ''someone'' sincerely wanted him to win, and didn't see it as an [[ShockingSwerve absurd]] [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt unlikelihood]]. If they meant it to be jeering, that could have been expressed more clearly. If it was in the background of my actual life the second time I saw the episode (I couldn't tell for sure the first time, since my fiancee and sister were congratulating [[IKnewIt my correct guess over what would happen from when Karofsky was elected]]), that was an amazing coincidence.



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*** The difference being that she ''had to'' manipulat Brittany. She was always direct with Becky, and she went along with all the schemes willingly


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Was it really necessary? Will has accepted people who are openly hostile to the ND before, and Beiste and him forced the football team to join ND despite being a week away from the championship. It's not like they already have a set list and are rehearsing it. If he didn't want Becky to perform with the other kids(Which would be kinda unfair for the other members of the club), he still could have accepted her under those conditions, it's not like they're overflowing with members.

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!!No Matter Gay, Straight or Bi, Lesbian, Transgender Life

Am I missing something as to why they cut this from the episode? Even if it was just to save time it comes off as being in pretty bad taste, and that's before you consider the UnfortunateImplications if it was deliberate. It's like trying to cut "You've Got to Be Carefully Taught" from SouthPacific to cope with time constraints - take that out and you might as well take the whole show out.



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*** I went to a daycare where the staff was called by their first names. At school, however, everyone was Mr, one of the female equivalents (most were called Miss whether they were married or not, but sometimes a non-married teacher would be called Mrs), or Coach if they referred themselves to as that (not all coaches were actually involved in any athletics). At school, when the students discussed teachers privately, it didn't matter if they absolutely hated them, they still referred to them as Title Surname. It wasn't so much a matter of respect as the fact that the teacher was firmly established in everyone's mind as Title Surname.



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** I see it from Brittany's side because I have been there. Nearly everyone in my school called me retarded at some point and it was only recently where I have had a class where someone didn't say it and I had to get a lawyer to get rid of the problems. So considering what Brittany said about Arite being the only one to never call her stupid at some point (which is likely a hyperbole, though maybe not) probably felt like a punch to the gut.




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!! Why did they bother with so many unnecessary songs in this episode?
It's a common law of musicals that the best songs are the ones that progress the stories. If they reveal motivation, develop character, or push the musical forward, then they are usually meaningful and great. Glee obviously has the issue of only doing covers and therefore having to sometimes pick songs that fit an episodic theme. Still, did anyone find the auditions for the solo to be so meaningless and tiring? I won't deny that Santana, Kurt, Mercedes, and Rachel sang well, but I found the plot to be so fundamentally weak that it just irritated me. It brought the episode to a halt just so we could have more songs to sell on iTunes. I know Glee is expensive and it helps Fox out by giving them some money, but I began to notice some issues with the use of the songs on the show.

Because Glee can't always find songs to progress the story, they just picked songs to fill half the episode with. "Pure Imagination" was the one song that had any emotional connection to the episode, and even though they could have found any song to fill the place, it had some heart and allowed us to see Sue in a state of vulnerability, which I absolutely love when they do the sort of thing ("Landslide" was one of my favorite songs from this season because of this as well). But when it came to the audition songs, it showed a fundamental weakness in the songs, where the characters could basically sing anything and it wouldn't affect the plot. How did they decide to do this? They had the characters sing songs from artists and shows they have already done to death before.

Santana sang {{Amy Winehouse}}. That's the second time she has sung something with Winehouse and the third time the show used a song by Winehouse ("Rehab", "Valerie", "Back to Black"). Kurt sang a song from {{Gypsy}}, the second time he has sung something from that show ("Rose's Turn" and "Some People"), and it once again brought up the fact that he tends to sing songs from Broadway shows traditionally sung by women (the entire "Defying Gravity" subplot from {{Wheels}}). Mercedes once again sang a classic song performed by African-American musicians that allowed her to belt out as many notes as she could (I won't even list), and Rachel sang Barbra Streisand, being the SIXTH Streisand song sung on this show ("One Less Bell to Answer", "Don't Rain on my Parade", "Funny Girl", "Get Happy/Happy Days are Here Again", "Papa, Can you Here Me?", and "My Man") and the third song from {{Funny Girl}}.

I know these songs reflect the characters, but isn't this old news? My point is that the four songs they sang were so uninteresting (as song choices, not as performances) that they could have sang anything, and my ranting shows that I don't really enjoy when they could be singing anything. It is just copying and pasting song titles for no reason.




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** I might not have understood it properly, but didn't Becky say that she likes the kids in New Directions? There's other canon evidence for it too: Becky is shown to be a friend of Brittany in Wheels and Finn says "She (referring to Becky) is my friend" in Theatricality. Becky probably just followed Sue's Directions in Night of Neglect.

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!! No Sam, you normally would NOT agree with Finn. What are you talking about Finn? Building a performance around one person is EXACTLY New Directions style.

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When Blaine stops by the car shop to talk to Burt about giving 'The Talk' to Kurt, at the very beginning of the conversation, Burt asks Blaine to hand him the carburetor from the bench. Blaine grabs the right piece and hands it to him, and Burt says something a long the lines of 'How did you know that was the right part?' Uh, Burt. Your own kid is JUST as flamboyant as Blaine, if not more so. He also knows his way around cars- why is it so shocking that Blaine does as well?

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** Possibly because she briefly stopped working at McKinley? Maybe they didn't feel the need to call her Coach after she wasn't there anymore? Or they feel closer to her from planning her sisters funeral? I dunno. My high school didn't require us to call anyone Mr. or Mrs. anything. All staff were referred to by first names, so I'm not really sure how it goes in other schools.

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* I didn't mind Will and Mrs Jackson referring to her as Sue, but when the ND kids were talking about her, they kept using her first name. Haven't they always referred to her by her title of Coach? Since they didn't do it to her face, I don't find it particularly disrespectful, but it did seem odd.


*** Did we ever see why Santana or Quinn were made head cheerleader? Santana was kicked because of her boob job, Quinn was made head cheerleader because she was willing to manipulate Sue. How did that make them better than Brittany who should be by all accounts the best of those three when it comes to athletics.

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*** Did we ever see why Santana or Quinn were made head cheerleader? Santana was kicked because of her boob job, Quinn was made head cheerleader because she was willing to manipulate Sue. How did that make them better than Brittany who should be by all accounts the best of those three when it comes to athletics.athletics.
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*** Wait, why can't they just reprise Loser Like Me? Just cut Rachel and Finn's verses in half and give the remaining bits to someone else, while another girl sings the chorus. It took two minutes for me to figure that out. Plus you had about eight other original songs as well. I know Get It Right isn't relevant anymore, but can't you just replace that with say, Hell To The No or Big Ass Heart? Just rework those. Also, whats the rationale of using only original songs. Can't you just work out a mashup of some of your earlier songs. My idea is Defying Gravity/The Boy Is Mine as the first number, you have four voices used out of the starting gate. Then how about Thriller/Heads Will Roll. Artie and Sam can sing with Tina, Quinn, and Lauren. The remaining guys could lead Loser Like Me. Puck in place of Rachel's verse and leave Finn's alone then give Brittany the chorus and Mike take Santana's line. All thirteen of your singers have been given solos in some form. And before you say "They Only Get Two Songs" that didn't stop them from doing a three part Journey Medley.

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***I don't know why this bugs me so much more this episodes, because you're right - they do this every time. Maybe it's because they're trying to figure out the best singer the week before and making a huge point of it? I'm pretty sure if I were in New Directions, I'd be crapping my pants if there wasn't even a set list nailed down this close to such a major competition, but it doesn't seem to bother them at all.



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** Brittany is insanely popular in the school, despite being in glee and no longer on the cheerios(All the girls copied her style, and she was interviewed for Teen Vogue) even with the comments off, other people might approach her to comment on the show, or well, she heard rumours about it.

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** The meta-explanation, of course, is that none of the viewers want to see something they've already seen a month or two before. But then again, they ''always'' end up rehearsing the song a week or so before the actual competition. And, well, it's to showcase how talented these kids are. Or something.


********** [[CompletelyMissingthePoint Exactly.]]



** Maybe there's a middle ground in this argument? I'm in high school, and I know that one popular kid coming up with a spur-of-the-moment idea can have wide-ranging repercussions even when the idea wasn't intended to be cold-bloodedly cruel. This actually fits with one troper's assertion that the McKinley kids haven't shown themselves to be [[CompleteMonster complete homophobic monsters]]. Even though they considered Kurt a joke for the two minutes it took to vote for him, perhaps they actually felt guilty or uncomfortable when his name was unexpectedly announced, and that was why no one reacted. This theory also works with the fact that they cheered for him at his AwesomeMomentOfCrowning. They don't really hate him and were impressed by his reaction, but were being cruel, thoughtless teenagers when some popular kid told them to vote.

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** Maybe there's a middle ground in this argument? I'm in high school, and I know that one popular kid coming up with a spur-of-the-moment idea can have wide-ranging repercussions even when the idea wasn't intended to be cold-bloodedly cruel. This actually fits with one troper's assertion that the McKinley kids haven't shown themselves to be [[CompleteMonster complete homophobic monsters]]. Even though they considered Kurt a joke for the two minutes it took to vote for him, perhaps they actually felt guilty or uncomfortable when his name was unexpectedly announced, and that was why no one reacted. This theory also works with the fact that they cheered for him at his AwesomeMomentOfCrowning. They don't really hate him and were impressed by his reaction, but were being cruel, thoughtless teenagers when some popular kid told them to vote.vote.
*** I can get behind that, but my original point that the writers sucked this one up still stands, I think. This explanation is way better than what was actually shown, and the writers' job is to show us, not tell us, what is happeneing, and they completely screwed that up here. Everything that we assume about this plot point is either told to us or we really do have to assume it. It would have been lovely if, as someone below pointed out, the writers had the kids mounting some sort of Facebook campaign in secret. That's perfectly plausible, and could have been worked in during the three-way contemplation time right after he was announced, as could have some of the extras whispering "oh shit, that wasn't as funny as we thought it was going to be" or something like that.

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*They're going to Nationals in a week, correct? And Mr. Schuester wants them to write completely new songs and have them ready for the competition within that week? Why wouldn't they just use a song they've done before and actually practiced?



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** That doesn't explain the thing with Rachel. Jessse is now an adult who is employed by the highschool where Rachel is a atudent. Their relationship under those conditions sounds like an episode of LawAndOrderSVU. Oooh, can we have UnStabler show up and haul Jesse off in cuffs?

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*** Did we ever see why Santana or Quinn were made head cheerleader? Santana was kicked because of her boob job, Quinn was made head cheerleader because she was willing to manipulate Sue. How did that make them better than Brittany who should be by all accounts the best of those three when it comes to athletics.

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** I'll give you the part about not manipulating her, but just being loyal to Sue shouldn't make Becky head cheerleader. We're never given any indication that she's even good at cheerleading. The timing seems to hint that Sue made her head cheerleader for completely personal reasons.



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Okay, so in Becky's first appearance, Sue was treating her the same way she treated her other cheerleaders, which was great. But since then, Sue has been seriously taking advantage of Becky by turning her into her lackey. And in this episode, Sue completely defines how she treats Becky by how she's feeling about her sister. She kicks Becky off the squad because she's upset about her sister, realizes her mistake, and makes it better.. by making Becky head cheerleader just because she misses her sister? Are we supposed to find this sweet? It's just as bad in my opinion.



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* I think Jesse thought Will would just blindly go along with what he said and told Rachel before Will even planned the meeting where he would reveal his decision.



Why is Jesse consulting for ND when it's obvious he's biased toward one singer who is canonly only ''one'' of of the best, not ''the'' best in the club. If this wasn't clear to Mr. Shue before the solo auditions, it should have been after, once Jesse tore apart everyone's performances but Rachel's. Also, it seems to be common knowledge that he and Rachel are working toward resuming their previous relationship, which would normally raise a few eyebrows since he's got a position of autority in Glee Club.

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Why is Jesse consulting for ND when it's obvious he's biased toward one singer who is canonly only ''one'' of of the best, not ''the'' best in the club. If this wasn't clear to Mr. Shue before the solo auditions, it should have been after, once Jesse tore apart everyone's performances but Rachel's. Also, it seems to be common knowledge that he and Rachel are working toward resuming their previous relationship, which would normally raise a few eyebrows since he's got a position of autority authority in Glee Club.
* Even though he has a bias he still has experience in this area and at times does give solid advice (Mercedes is a fantastic singer, but ''everyone'' needs to practice if they want to be on the top of their game). The thing is that he doesn't seem to understand what a consultant actually does, he seems to think he's calling the shots when in reality although he can offer advice and candid opinions he still has to go with what his employer decides.

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Why is Jesse consulting for ND when it's obvious he's biased toward one singer who is canonly only ''one'' of of the best, not ''the'' best in the club. If this wasn't clear to Mr. Shue before the solo auditions, it should have been after, once Jesse tore apart everyone's performances but Rachel's. Also, it seems to be common knowledge that he and Rachel are working toward resuming their previous relationship, which would normally raise a few eyebrows since he's got a position of autority in Glee Club.

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* It's true that they're unpopular, but they've been shown to be be the most tightly-knit {{Nakama}} at [=McKinley=]. I think that by "fitting in" she meant "belonging," and New Directions has shown multiple times over that they love each other, regardless of what perceived deviations from average their members may have. As for her attitude in Night of Neglect, I'm assuming she was simply doing it to please Sue, who was now no longer part of the picture.



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*** Which leads to another irritation. Way back in the Madonna episode, Brittany told Santana that the way to make someone follow you forever was to take their virginity. Why was she surprised that this happened with Artie?

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If Will decided that it was best to sing as a group, why did Jesse tell Rachel that she was going to be the soloist? Was he just trying to get back into her good graces?

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Why was Will so upset about Emma choosing "Ginger" for her shirt instead of "OCD"? The purpose of the "Born This Way" song, and the whole message of the episode (at least, that I gathered) was that the group was learning to accept things about themselves that they were, you know, born with, and that they would embrace those things instead of trying to change them... hence, Rachel's nose... But Will is trying to help Emma get over her OCD. In fact, he's pushing her to do it... seeing a counselor and all that.

I understand that the way it was supposed to come across in the episode is that he wanted Emma to admit that she was OCD and that she had a problem... however, using an arena in which the people are admitting to things that they are born with, and absolutely fine with... sends mixed signals, doesn't it?

In my opinion, urging Emma to put "OCD" on her t-shirt would just symbolize that she was born OCD and that's the way it's going to be. So why is Will telling her that she needs to get over her OCD, but at the same time telling her she's fine because she was born that way?



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* He didn't think he could go because he didn't think he had the money for it all. That was one of the points of the scene with Mercedes and Rachael. When a tuxedo alone costs a hundred plus dollars, for a guy supporting five people on minimum wage, the cost of a prom is quite possibly the cost of living for a month.



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** Was it ever noted that he even -had- the other votes on the card? It's possible and probable the only thing written on the card was the winner.


**** I confess, I talking more about anedoctal evidence, and even so, I myself never had *anything* until 18. At any rate, I did had ''some'' gay friends on-line before that, and never met them because I painfully shy. Most of my friends had quite some experiences ''before'' turning 16. At any rate, it bothers me that Kurt never tried the on-line alternative.

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**** I confess, I I'm talking more about anedoctal evidence, and even so, I myself never had *anything* until 18. At any rate, I did had ''some'' gay friends on-line before that, and never met them because I painfully shy. Most of my friends had quite some experiences ''before'' turning 16. At any rate, it bothers me that Kurt never tried the on-line alternative.



*** This troper is inclined to agree that Kurt is more uncomfortable thinking about ''himself'' in sexual situations as opposed to ignorant about sex. Remember that he tried watching porn but started thinking about what the actors' mothers would say. Also, most of the old-fashioned musicals Kurt loves aren't exactly big on [[Understatement homosexual sex]], for all of their provacative content. Considering that he didn't even consider his makeout session with Brittany as a kiss "that counted"...



** Maybe there's a middle ground in this argument? I'm in high school, and I know that one popular kid coming up with a spur-of-the-moment idea can have wide-ranging repercussions even when the idea wasn't intended to be cold-bloodedly cruel. This actually fits with one troper's assertion that the McKinley kids haven't shown themselves to be [[CompleteMonster complete homophobic monsters]]. Even though they considered Kurt a joke for the two minutes it took to vote for him, perhaps they actually felt guilty or uncomfortable when his name was unexpectedly announced, and that was why no one reacted. This theory also works with the fact that they cheered for him at his AwesomeMomentOfCrowning. They don't really hate him and were impressed by his reaction, but were being cruel, thoughtless teenagers when some popular kid told them to vote.
** Also, regardless of whether someone thought it would be an honor, Kurt definitely had cause to assume it was an insult. He'd just been driven out of school by bullying, and [[AdultsAreUseless even the ''staff'' failed to help him]]. Even if Karofsky and Azimo were the only ones pushing him around, we got countless shots of kids just standing at their lockers looking on while he was shoved into his. No one but the other Glee kids ever came to his aid. By "Prom Queen," he'd gotten to a point where he thought the student body might just be indifferent to him--certainly not a point that he'd think they wanted to give him a boost. It isn't hard for this troper to see why Kurt would assume people hated him, even if he was just the butt of a "casual joke."



*** I agree with the Troper above...They probably all took note of Figgins' tone and expression (plus the Bully Whips) and were scared into stifling their laughter. And, because as other tropers pointed out, they're not all [[CompleteMonster Complete Monsters]] and they suddenly felt guilty for something that turned out to be way more serious than they thought it would be.


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*** I agree with the Troper above...They probably all took note of Figgins' tone and expression (plus the Bully Whips) and were scared into stifling their laughter. And, because as (as other tropers pointed out, out) they're not all [[CompleteMonster Complete Monsters]] and Monsters]], they suddenly felt guilty for something that turned out to be way more serious than they thought it would be.





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***** What does his popularity at his high school have to do with the people at the mall?mall? And I don't think it was "waiting patiently" for Kurt to return as much as it was them not knowing what was going on or what to do. There's also the fact that there wasn't any music to dance to, since the kids at New Directions wouldn't start singing again until they knew Kurt was ok.

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**** Kurt is ''[[InformedFlaw not]]'' [[CoolLoser popular]]. Which explains why the silent crowd [[FridgeLogic waited patiently]] for Kurt to return to the prom and [[MoodWhiplash cheered loudly]] when he accepted the crown. It also explains how an [[InformedFlaw "unpopular]] [[MarySue teenager"]] was able to find people willing to perform a flash mob at a mall in Ohio.


* This troper's high school's registration form had a spot for "preferred name." That was the name that would appear on the attendance list (such as "Liz" instead of "Elizabeth," or "Katie" instead of "Katherine"). The troper even knows a girl who went by her middle name throughout high school, and that name was on the attendance list, by her picture in the yearbook, etc. So it's actually probable that she could have chosen to be called only by her middle name.

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* This troper's high school's registration form had a spot for "preferred name." That was the name that would appear on the attendance list (such as "Liz" instead of "Elizabeth," or "Katie" instead of "Katherine"). The troper even knows a girl who went by her middle name throughout high school, and that name was on the attendance list, list and by her picture in the yearbook, etc. yearbook. Everyone was surprised when she later announced that it wasn't her legal first name. So it's actually probable that she Quinn could have chosen to be called only by her middle name.
name at school, and provided that absolutely no one knew her from her old school, no one would have known the difference.



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*This troper's high school's registration form had a spot for "preferred name." That was the name that would appear on the attendance list (such as "Liz" instead of "Elizabeth," or "Katie" instead of "Katherine"). The troper even knows a girl who went by her middle name throughout high school, and that name was on the attendance list, by her picture in the yearbook, etc. So it's actually probable that she could have chosen to be called only by her middle name.



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***** It's ultimately all YMMV. "probably not the first time they've had this conversation" is all speculation, while Artie might have know or suspected Brittany was with Santana, for all we know, this is the first time he has addressed the problem with Brittany. Besides, it's not the first time Artie has had a knee-jerk reaction like this, of the top of my head, he had done so with Tina three times, and is the second time he does with Brittany. Likewise, kettle and pot, you can try to make Brittany the bad guy, but it doesn't make it any more true.



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**** No, he spoke without thinking because he was growing frustrated because this was probably not the first time they've had this conversation. Yes what he did was bad but nowhere near unforgivable especially considering that his girlfriend has been cheating on for for some time. You can try to make him out to be the bad guy all you want but that doesn't make it true.

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**********I know what you're trying to say. Kurt is effeminate, so it makes more sense for him to be Prom Queen than Prom King, and he shouldn't have been offended. And Karofsky and Azimio were the only ones at the school who ever bullied him for being gay; the others just bullied him for being different.

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!!What was the purpose of Puck bringing Rachel to the mall?
I mean, I get why they wanted her to come to the mall, but why Puck? Wouldn't she have been much more likely to say yes if Mercedes or Kurt had asked? I mean, if it was his idea, I guess I'd get it, but it's never made clear.


** To be fair, Will never said they were allowed to make one duet each. If they had wanted they could have loophooled it and make as many duets as they wanted.




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*** Artie could have said that. He could have call her naive, or he could have confronted her with Santana around, so he could have called her out. He willingly decided to call her stupid.

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********* The fact that you think it's offensive shows me very clearly that you have no idea what I've been trying to say, and I find it a little offensive that you entered into a discussion with no intention of thinking critically or making any attempt to see another person's point of view.

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****I think you forgot what is like to be a teenager. I know that Glee has problems with consistency, but seriously, Kurt ''[[CaptainObvious is not popular]]'' and has all the reasons to think that something like that was '''only''' made to be mean and after the deathly silence the first sound is someone makes a "celebration" sound that sounded like a mockery. I think someone started clapping, but died down pretty quickly, because no one was feeling like celebrating it.


!!The Prom Setlist
Two of the songs that we see the Glee club perform at the prom are "Jar of Hearts" and "I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How To Dance With You". Why didn't anyone in the club think "these aren't really lyrically appropriate for a night of celebration and joy"? Both songs fit the scene they're set in, but in the story they would have been chosen days in advance. Slow dancing to "Jar of Hearts" just looked incredibly awkward.
** That hasn't stopped either song from being played and/or performed at school dances across the country, all that matters is that they're popular and kids like them.
** If they were Top 10 hits, then I'd be inclined to agree and accept it as just being a couple of popular songs but... they aren't. "Boyfriend" was a ''very'' modestly performing single three years ago, and while "Jar of Hearts" is currently enjoying a little more popularity (though how much can be related from its exposure on Glee I couldn't say), it's inclusion doesn't really fit with the atmosphere of the event.
** Sometimes people want to just sing a song that they like. Given that the club performing at all was organized at the last minute, it's very likely that the set list consisted solely of the songs that whoever was singing wanted to sing period and that the band could learn to play quickly. After all, they even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] the fact that there was no lyrical theme to the episode in the beginning.

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!!The Prom Setlist
Two of the songs that we see the Glee club perform at the prom are "Jar of Hearts" and "I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How To Dance With You". Why didn't anyone in the club think "these aren't really lyrically appropriate for a night of celebration and joy"? Both songs fit the scene they're set in, but in the story they would have been chosen days in advance. Slow dancing to "Jar of Hearts" just looked incredibly awkward.
** That hasn't stopped either song from being played and/or performed at school dances across the country, all that matters is that they're popular and kids like them.
** If they were Top 10 hits, then I'd be inclined to agree and accept it as just being a couple of popular songs but... they aren't. "Boyfriend" was a ''very'' modestly performing single three years ago, and while "Jar of Hearts" is currently enjoying a little more popularity (though how much can be related from its exposure on Glee I couldn't say), it's inclusion doesn't really fit with the atmosphere of the event.
** Sometimes people want to just sing a song that they like. Given that the club performing at all was organized at the last minute, it's very likely that the set list consisted solely of the songs that whoever was singing wanted to sing period and that the band could learn to play quickly. After all, they even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] the fact that there was no lyrical theme to the episode in the beginning.



!!Kurt asking Dave to come out in the middle of prom
First how the hell is that a good timing? Second... how? I mean, was Dave suppose to say to everyone "I am queer, I am here and I sexually harassed Kurt in the past!"?

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!!Kurt asking Dave to come out in the middle of prom
First how the hell is that a good timing? Second... how? I mean, was Dave suppose to say to everyone "I am queer, I am here and I sexually harassed Kurt in the past!"?





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!!Football Team
* While trying to recruit replacement players, Coach Bieste says that she cut 30 guys at the beginning of the year. Yet clearly, the players she has left play both directions (offense and and defense). Why not, y'know, have a defense and maybe a special teams? Not to mention a second string?



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* The irony was not lost on ChrisColfer:
--> Colfer: So in this last scene I’m wearing a kilt. And a tiara. Dancing with a boy. To “Dancing Queen.” Did I do something to offend you?




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**** Of course he would, but if everyones laughing and you laugh too, it looks like you also think its funny.


* So Will made an assignment of duets to a glee club that he knew to have an odd number of students? Who exactly was Quinn suppose to sing with if Kurt hadn't opted to do his one man solo?

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* It's also entirely possible that Jesse is lying and the real reason is much more embarassing. It would make sense that he would lie about it since he is trying to get back into Rachel's pants.

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* It was incredibly insensitive of the Glee club to initially ask Quinn, Santana, and Brittany to perform with them instead of going to the cheerleading Regionals. It was just a half-time show and they didn't really need them for the Thriller dance to work. Quinn is the head cheerleader and it would be much more difficult for Sue to adjust her routine with 3 less cheerleaders. Once Sue tricked Brittany into signing consent from for the cannon then it made sense for them to quit in protest... but definitely not before.



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** Because it was done in secret with the intention of their cruelty being anonymous (I assume because of the Bully Whips) and laughing would have given them away.


** The whole point is that they are calling him the biggest Queen in the school. It's a joke and the reason Kurt and the others don't take it as an honor is because they know that none of the people who voted for him meant it sincerely.

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** The whole point is that they are calling him the biggest Queen in the school. It's a joke and the reason Kurt and the others don't take it as an honor is because they know that none of the people who voted for him meant it sincerely.



Deserves it's own session. REALLY? how did they do it? There are a half dozen girls to vote, and Kurt not only "wins" but ''wins'' with big majority??

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Deserves it's its own session. REALLY? how did they do it? There are a half dozen girls to vote, and Kurt not only "wins" but ''wins'' with big majority??



** A "mean" joke is still a joke. The [[InformedFlaw "mean" people]] responsible for the joke [[FridgeLogic would've and should've laughed.]] Nobody is laughing because [[DependingOnTheWriter the writers]] seem to be very confused as to [[MoodWhiplash what tone ]] [[IndecisiveParody and message]] [[DeusAngstMachina they're trying to send.]]
*** [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Or no one laughed because they were actually horrified, none of them actually expected anyone else to follow through on their joke]]
*** or they're not laughing so Kurt can't laugh along with them.
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** A "mean" joke is still a joke. The [[InformedFlaw "mean" people]] responsible for the joke [[FridgeLogic would've and should've laughed.]] Nobody is laughing because [[DependingOnTheWriter the writers]] seem to be very confused as to [[MoodWhiplash what tone ]] tone]] [[IndecisiveParody and message]] [[DeusAngstMachina they're trying to send.]]
*** [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Or no one laughed because they were actually horrified, none of them actually expected they]] [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt never thought anyone else to follow would actually go through on their joke]]
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*** or Or they're not laughing so Kurt can't laugh along with them.
**** RIght, Right, because Kurt wouldn't have been humiliated if everyone laughed.


** It definitely comes off as a major !AssPull. They really should have had someone (Sue, Karofsky, Jacob Ben Israel, etc.) pulling strings/convincing other students to vote for Kurt as a joke. It seems extremely unlikely that most of the students would independently decide to do it.

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** It definitely comes off as a major !AssPull.AssPull. They really should have had someone (Sue, Karofsky, Jacob Ben Israel, etc.) pulling strings/convincing other students to vote for Kurt as a joke. It seems extremely unlikely that most of the students would independently decide to do it.




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** Seconding the "student boy organizing the vote with social networking." [[{{Tropers.Sharysa}} My]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encinal_High_School#Student_budget_protests high school]] organized a ''protest'' through Facebook/Myspace and texting.

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*********I think it was obvious for most people that it was meant to be a cruel joke, and the whole "Kurt shouldn't be offended for being called a girl when he acts like one" bit that you and alden2 are trying to argue is pretty offensive.

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******** It's being debated because people have different opinions and perceptions than you? Because the writers didn't do a very good job of setting this up so it's obvious that it's a cruel joke? Maybe?

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****RIght, because Kurt wouldn't have been humiliated if everyone laughed.

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***** Sue or Becky would be the only other real possibilities. Brittany would have an actual chance to win and any other female and nobody would have noticed the fix.

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********He's only called himself an "honorary girl" because he's more comfortable working with them. I don't know why this is still being debated; Kurt is unpopular, it was meant to be a cruel joke, he was offended. It's not like he was running for prom queen and won.


****** They did clap right before Kurt's dance. Then, after Kurt dances with Blaine, people gradually start joining in until [[MoodDissonance everyone is dancing]] as if [[ResetButton nothing ever happened. ]]



******* Kurt wanted a pair of "sensible heels" for his birthday when he was little. He has called himself an "honorary girl" before. Who says you ''have'' to be ''literally'' a girl to be voted prom queen?




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** A "mean" joke is still a joke. The [[InformedFlaw "mean" people]] responsible for the joke [[FridgeLogic would've and should've laughed.]] Nobody is laughing because [[DependingOnTheWriter the writers]] seem to be very confused as to [[MoodWhiplash what tone ]] [[IndecisiveParody and message]] [[DeusAngstMachina they're trying to send.]]



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** Sometimes people want to just sing a song that they like. Given that the club performing at all was organized at the last minute, it's very likely that the set list consisted solely of the songs that whoever was singing wanted to sing period and that the band could learn to play quickly. After all, they even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] the fact that there was no lyrical theme to the episode in the beginning.



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**** And now we're arguing over an imaginary scenario. This just goes to show that there would be arguments over any outcome the show took...

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** Artie's line is "Why are you so stupid?" It's not meant to be cruel, it's an expression of frustration at Brittany's willful failure to see anything wrong with her behavior or Santanna's manipulation. saying that something isn't wrong "because someone else said so" only lets you dodge responsibility for so long.

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****** And yet in several episodes it's shown that he ''does'' think of himself as "one of the girls" rather frequently. [[{{Understatement}} The whole issue is complicated]]


**** I thought he said that ''he'' wanted to lose, that he wanted to win Anti-Prom King to restore his street cred. If Lauren won Prom Queen, he'd be dating one of the most powerful girls in the school.

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**** I thought he said that ''he'' wanted to lose, that he wanted to win Anti-Prom King to restore his street cred. If Lauren won Prom Queen, he'd be dating one of the most powerful girls in the school.
school. And yes, it is hurtful because even if Puck had fixed it, he had an entire female audience he could have given it to and it would have had the same effect. He could have given it to Brittany. He could have given it to Becky. He could have given it to ''Sue''.



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**** Definitely. My school successfully planned a walk-out one day without any of the teachers finding out, but with all of the pupils knowing. Don't underestimate how quickly things can spread in a school.



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**** Actually, during the episode he clearly stated he wanted Lauren to lose after it became clear he lost his edge and becoming prom king would have made it worse. And it doesn't need to be hurtful on his side, just a plan to hijack the poll and really show it. If he had let Santana or Quinn win, nobody would have noticed it was a joke. It would have needed a bit of rewriting, but it would have been possible.
**** I thought he said that ''he'' wanted to lose, that he wanted to win Anti-Prom King to restore his street cred. If Lauren won Prom Queen, he'd be dating one of the most powerful girls in the school.



** Definitely. My school successfully planned a walk-out one day without any of the teachers finding out, but with all of the pupils knowing. Don't underestimate how quickly things can spread in a school.

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** Definitely. My school successfully planned a walk-out one day without any of the teachers finding out, but with all of the pupils knowing. Don't underestimate how quickly things can spread in a school.


**** Actually, during the episode he clearly stated he wanted Lauren to lose after it became clear he lost his edge and becoming prom king would have made it worse. And it doesn't need to be hurtful on his side, just a plan to hijack the poll and really show it. If he had let Santana or Quinn win, nobody would have noticed it was a joke. It would have needed a bit of rewriting, but it would have been possible.

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**** Actually, during the episode he clearly stated he wanted Lauren to lose after it became clear he lost his edge and becoming prom king would have made it worse. And it doesn't need to be hurtful on his side, just a plan to hijack the poll and really show it. If he had let Santana or Quinn win, nobody would have noticed it was a joke. It would have needed a bit of rewriting, but it would have been possible.




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** Definitely. My school successfully planned a walk-out one day without any of the teachers finding out, but with all of the pupils knowing. Don't underestimate how quickly things can spread in a school.


************ Most of the ND-kids, even pre-Glee club, were picked on already. Artie, for example, was likely picked on because he is in a wheel-chair (and to a degree, probably because he dresses like a nerd and was in the AV-club). Kurt was likely bullied pre-Glee club because of how he dresses and his transparent sexuality (despite not coming out officially until episode 4). He's at the bottom of the social ladder because he's different, and he's different because he's gay. Glee club just added to reasons for them to be bullied. It's why Glee has so many stereotypes, because the kids start of as stereotypes stuck in the perceived status quo and they try to use Glee to break out of it. Also, to address your question of why Kurt finds it offensive, it is because while he IS effemminate, at the end of the day, he is NOT a girl (despite the fact that he says he considers himself an honorary girl). Proof of how he finds it offensive to be called a girl is in Furt, when he tells Sue that he finds it hurtful when she calls him "Lady".
************ Also, while the rest of the school is never shown to actually bully Kurt because he is gay, they're also the same group of people who simply walked by and ignored Kurt being bullied. Homophobia doesn't have to be explicit or physical.




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**** Actually, during the episode he clearly stated he wanted Lauren to lose after it became clear he lost his edge and becoming prom king would have made it worse. And it doesn't need to be hurtful on his side, just a plan to hijack the poll and really show it. If he had let Santana or Quinn win, nobody would have noticed it was a joke. It would have needed a bit of rewriting, but it would have been possible.

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************ Most of the ND-kids, even pre-Glee club, were picked on already. Artie, for example, was likely picked on because he is in a wheel-chair (and to a degree, probably because he dresses like a nerd and was in the AV-club). Kurt was likely bullied pre-Glee club because of how he dresses and his transparent sexuality (despite not coming out officially until episode 4). He's at the bottom of the social ladder because he's different, and he's different because he's gay. Glee club just added to reasons for them to be bullied. It's why Glee has so many stereotypes, because the kids start of as stereotypes stuck in the perceived status quo and they try to use Glee to break out of it. Also, to address your question of why Kurt finds it offensive, it is because while he IS effemminate, at the end of the day, he is NOT a girl (despite the fact that he says he considers himself an honorary girl). Proof of how he finds it offensive to be called a girl is in Furt, when he tells Sue that he finds it hurtful when she calls him "Lady".
************ Also, while the rest of the school is never shown to actually bully Kurt because he is gay, they're also the same group of people who simply walked by and ignored Kurt being bullied. Homophobia doesn't have to be explicit or physical.





************ Most of the ND-kids, even pre-Glee club, were picked on already. Artie, for example, was likely picked on because he is in a wheel-chair (and to a degree, probably because he dresses like a nerd and was in the AV-club). Kurt was likely bullied pre-Glee club because of how he dresses and his transparent sexuality (despite not coming out officially until episode 4). He's at the bottom of the social ladder because he's different, and he's different because he's gay. Glee club just added to reasons for them to be bullied. It's why Glee has so many stereotypes, because the kids start of as stereotypes stuck in the perceived status quo and they try to use Glee to break out of it. Also, to address your question of why Kurt finds it offensive, it is because while he IS effemminate, at the end of the day, he is NOT a girl (despite the fact that he says he considers himself an honorary girl). Proof of how he finds it offensive to be called a girl is in Furt, when he tells Sue that he finds it hurtful when she calls him "Lady".
************ Also, while the rest of the school is never shown to actually bully Kurt because he is gay, they're also the same group of people who simply walked by and ignored Kurt being bullied. Homophobia doesn't have to be explicit or physical.




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*** Kurt is Puck's friend and Lauren is his girlfriend. [[JerkJock Early Season One Puck]] I could see making a move like that, but [[JerkWithaHeartOfGold Late Season Two Puck]] I can't. Not when Puck has come to Kurt's defense against Karofsky's bullying earlier in the season. AND he wants to sleep with Lauren. Killing her chances at being Prom Queen is a [[UnderStatement really bad way]] to accomplish that goal.




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** If they were Top 10 hits, then I'd be inclined to agree and accept it as just being a couple of popular songs but... they aren't. "Boyfriend" was a ''very'' modestly performing single three years ago, and while "Jar of Hearts" is currently enjoying a little more popularity (though how much can be related from its exposure on Glee I couldn't say), it's inclusion doesn't really fit with the atmosphere of the event.




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** As for the student body organizing the vote, you don't give teenagers and social networking enough credit, and I'd like to provide an anecdote if the court would permit. When a student at this troper's school was killed in a car accident, overnight the students prepared a memorial event for the next day over Facebook without any involvement of the faculty. The majority of the student body showed up the next day expressing their support and grief, and the administration was shocked and impressed. Replace "grief and support" with "hatred and cruelty" and you have the same impetus for the Prom Queen vote to take place.

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************ Most of the ND-kids, even pre-Glee club, were picked on already. Artie, for example, was likely picked on because he is in a wheel-chair (and to a degree, probably because he dresses like a nerd and was in the AV-club). Kurt was likely bullied pre-Glee club because of how he dresses and his transparent sexuality (despite not coming out officially until episode 4). He's at the bottom of the social ladder because he's different, and he's different because he's gay. Glee club just added to reasons for them to be bullied. It's why Glee has so many stereotypes, because the kids start of as stereotypes stuck in the perceived status quo and they try to use Glee to break out of it. Also, to address your question of why Kurt finds it offensive, it is because while he IS effemminate, at the end of the day, he is NOT a girl (despite the fact that he says he considers himself an honorary girl). Proof of how he finds it offensive to be called a girl is in Furt, when he tells Sue that he finds it hurtful when she calls him "Lady".



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*** Perhaps it was Karofsky's bully friend who figured out Karofsky was gay (he's dating Santana who people suspect is a Lesbian, he switched from bullying the gay kid to walking him to class) and rigged the votes to humiliate him. That would also explain why nobody cheers or laughs when Kurt's name is read out.


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***********Yes, and how is Kurt different?

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********** Because he's in the glee club, and he's different. Here's my overall point: the writers have done a terrible job of SHOWING that he's bullied because he's gay instead of TELLING us or making Kurt the kind of guy who would be offended by this kind of thing, and because of that, it feels like a complete AssPull that I found really confusing and out of place.

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**********Kurt mentions it to Finn in the pilot when Finn tries apologizing to the Glee club. And yes, they do that stuff to the kids who are unpopular. Why do you think Kurt is unpopular?

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********* Episode citations, please? I'm pretty sure I've seen every episode, and I don't remember the balloons or furniture things. And again, being thrown in a dumpster isn't an example, because they do that to anyone they think is a dork or weak or whatever. That's like saying he was slushied because he's gay.

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*********You don't think having pee balloons thrown at you, having your lawn furniture nailed to your roof, and being thrown into dumpsters is cruel??

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******** I'm not saying that. I'm saying there hasn't been any evidence that the student body as a whole is mean or cruel to a gay kid, and despite all of Finn or Puck's talk of him (or Sam, when he first showed up) being harassed, Karofsky and Azimio are the only ones who actually did anything cruel or mean to Kurt because he's gay. When I first read the spoiler that Kurt was elected Prom Queen, my first thought was "hey! That's pretty neat!" and I was confused when it went down like it did, because we've gotten NO evidence either that he would be elected out of malice or that something like that would offend him.

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******* Puck was also thrown into a dumpster. And if I remember correctly, the football team had a problem with the dancing, not with Kurt himself or the fact that he's gay.

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******* Puck was also thrown into a dumpster.dumpster, as were a whole line of other kids. And if I remember correctly, the football team had a problem with the dancing, not with Kurt himself or the fact that he's gay.

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*******How about when we saw all the jocks surrounding him and throwing him into the dumpster in the pilot and in the second episode, before we even met Karofsky and Azimio? Or the jeers when he joined the football team?



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*** You should write for the show. MissedMomentofAwesome?



** The professors who teach the freshman core classes have so many students that they probably don't have time to deal with every single kid who isn't passing. Also, it's college, not high school. Maybe the professors just expected him to be a big boy and figure it out for himself.




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** I knew a guy my freshman year who got a 0.0 GPA his first semester. He was definitely asked to leave.

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****** I'm not sure which comments you are referring to, but I seem to be the only one here who thinks that being named Prom Queen wasn't offensive. Kurt is known for NOT conforming to any particular gender rules, and to say that being elected Queen is automatically homophobic or sexist actually seems to me to be more heteronormative. In all seriousness, I would like someone to point out another time when either Kurt ostracized by someone other than Karofsky and his stupid friend, or when Kurt was portrayed as someone who would get all bent out of shape about something like this. It's hard for me to understand/believe because both of those things seem really out of character. Kurt revels in being different, and the student body has never been portrayed as being cruel or unsupportive, except Karofsky and his minion.



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**Other schools expel you after two failing semesters. Jesse might have been put on Academic Probation after failing the fall semester, then failed the spring (which could have ended shortly before the prom), causing him to be expelled. Some schools run a tight ship like that.



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** It was a "mean" kind of joke, apparently. And it's this troper's opinion that the vote was rigged, Lauren or Quinn or Santana probably truly won, and the reason everybody's stone-faced is because, well, he won.


** He does ask Finn in the Kilt scene if he's really okay with Blaine jamming with the New Directions.

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** He does ask Finn in the Kilt scene if he's really okay with Blaine jamming with the New Directions.



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** Agreed - at my college, there are teachers who actually advise dropping classes when you're failing so you don't have it affect your GPA.
* And, maybe this is just my college, but the progression for students who are having academic difficulties is 'probation, suspension, and then if it's still an issue after several semesters, expulsion,' barring something unforgivable. Why was he apparently expelled for not taking his classes after a single semester?



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* It is for the prom, she expects a lot of unwanted pregnancies after it. In all honesty, it is pure Rule of Funny. Sue couldn't even know they performed Run Joey Run. She wasn't their codirector anymore.



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** Personally I expected Puck to confront Kurt and tell him about how he made Kurt prom queen to piss off Lauren, Finn and Santana. I thought Artie was a decoy which would explain the lemonade. It would explain why nobody was laughing at Kurt. If you're really doing something like this to be mean, you would expect blood to fall on him or something.


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** The thing is, even Brad Falchuk, one of the writers, also tweeted calling him "Blaine Warbler". Only reason I can think of is that they're seriously retconning his name, but that's stupid and making Warbler his last name is also stupid.


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* If it was supposed to be a joke then why was nobody laughing?

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* What bothered me was why no teacher, no adviser, ever bothered to talk to him about his failing grades or anything...

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** It definitely comes off as a major !AssPull. They really should have had someone (Sue, Karofsky, Jacob Ben Israel, etc.) pulling strings/convincing other students to vote for Kurt as a joke. It seems extremely unlikely that most of the students would independently decide to do it.


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* He would still need to take certain "core classes" like math, science, and english as well as other electives to get enough credits to graduate. Besides, it seems like he enrolled in those classes thinking that someone would automatically take the tests for him.


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I'm not certain of how ''all'' universities work, but I'm fairly certain that if you're taking a Fine arts class then you don't need to take maths or sciences. Jesse ''maybe'' would have had to take English, but everything else should have been a theatre or other Fine Arts related class. In short, if he would have only gone to his theatre classes ''then he would have been going to all of his classes''.



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** Maybe the votes were rigged, ala ''Carrie''.


****** I'm sorry, but these comments have been really heteronormative for Glee fans. Just because Kurt does things usually associated with femininity does not mean he is a girl or wants to be treated like one. Gender rules like these are a reason why homophobia and sexism are an issue in the first place, just so you know. Considering the strict gender rules that America abides by - especially a conservative town like the setting of this show, of course Queen was meant to be a hurtful term. If they had voted for him in earnest, why weren't they clapping for him?



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** The whole point is that they are calling him the biggest Queen in the school. It's a joke and the reason Kurt and the others don't take it as an honor is because they know that none of the people who voted for him meant it sincerely.



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** The school is hardly known to be a supporting place, Kurt appears to be the only openly gay kid... Honestly what else he was going to think?

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*****For starters, I think the vote was rigged; I don't think everyone really voted for Kurt.
*****And yes, Kurt's effeminate and yes he's friends with the girls. That doesn't mean he thinks of himself as a girl. I don't know why it's so hard to believe he'd be insulted to be voted prom queen, especially when it was meant to be a cruel prank.



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** That hasn't stopped either song from being played and/or performed at school dances across the country, all that matters is that they're popular and kids like them.

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**** Yeah, but there have been lots of instances where he's done things that were extremely effeminate, like siding with the girls during the Lady Gaga episode or even going prom dress shopping with the girls. He did the "don't be a drag just be a queen" line in Born This Way. Kurt just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would be offended by being called a queen, and would in fact be flattered. Also, the McKinley student body has never been presented as very homophobic as a whole, so for them all to band together to play a mean joke on a gay student seems a odd.



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Two of the songs that we see the Glee club perform at the prom are "Jar of Hearts" and "I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How To Dance With You". Why didn't anyone in the club think "these aren't really lyrically appropriate for a night of celebration and joy"? Both songs fit the scene they're set in, but in the story they would have been chosen days in advance. Slow dancing to "Jar of Hearts" just looked incredibly awkward.

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****"He's not masculine, has never tried to be masculine, so to vote him king doesn't make any sense at all." How does that not make sense? He's a guy, not a girl.



!!Why?!
Even if he got all the write in votes, how did a man get crowned Prom Queen? It shows that the Prom Queen system doesn't work for the homsexual since all anyone did wasn just look at him silenty until ND started cheering for him. Just because he's a "Queen" (I use quotation marks so I don't get accused of being homophobic, I'm justing using the in context term) doesn't mean he can be Prom Queen. No I don't know what they could've done but it just bugs me.

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!!Why?!
Even if he got all the write in votes, how did a man get crowned Prom Queen? It shows that the Prom Queen system doesn't work for the homsexual since all anyone did wasn just look at him silenty until ND started cheering for him. Just because he's a "Queen" (I use quotation marks so I don't get accused of being homophobic, I'm justing using the in context term) doesn't mean he can be Prom Queen. No I don't know what they could've done but it just bugs me.


** Also, if Figgins had thrown out the vote, then he is left to either pick a candidate himself or take the runner up. If he picks a candidate himself, then he has the ire of Lauren/Quinn/Santana (pick two) to deal with, any of which would make his life miserable. If he takes the runner up, two of the three would raise hell to get a new vote issued, and that retroactively ruins the runner up's victory, causing them to raise hell to make the vote stick. And in EITHER situation, Kurt is going to find out eventually. Jacob Ben Israel would have the true result as the headline of Monday's Muckraker or posted on his blog (or whatever he does for the A/V Club) by the next morning. At least Kurt got a chance to take charge of the moment.

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** Also, if Figgins had thrown out the vote, then he is left to either pick a candidate himself or take the runner up. If he picks a candidate himself, then he has the ire of Lauren/Quinn/Santana (pick two) to deal with, any of which would make his life miserable. Not only that, Jacob Ben Israel would be accusing him of [[SeriousBusiness corruption, favoritism and election fraud]] and he'd be hearing from angry parents. If he takes the runner up, two of the three would raise hell to get a new vote issued, and that retroactively ruins the runner up's victory, causing them to raise hell to make the vote stick. And in EITHER situation, Kurt is going to find out eventually. Jacob Ben Israel would have the true result as the headline of Monday's Muckraker or posted on his blog (or whatever he does for the A/V Club) by the next morning. At least he gave Kurt got a chance to take charge of the moment.



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* Well, we have seen that Mercedes is involved with her church choir, so I assumed she just asked them to come in and help them out for a little while ahead of time. Why they didn't stay... yeah, I got nothing.



*She might have already known and was trying to make Quinn say it herself.

!!How has no one ever NOT heard the name Lucy Fabray?
As some students with embarrassing first names, those prefer to be addressed by their middle name, or those who prefer to go by a nickname, should be familiar with, typically on the first day of school, the first day of a new class after a semester change, or when a substitute has to take attendance, they're addressed by their real name on the roster, and then given the chance to go by an alternative. How has Quinn managed to keep her name secret for the last three years since middle school, because her reaction to Lauren makes it clear she thinks she's covered her tracks?




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** Also, if Figgins had thrown out the vote, then he is left to either pick a candidate himself or take the runner up. If he picks a candidate himself, then he has the ire of Lauren/Quinn/Santana (pick two) to deal with, any of which would make his life miserable. If he takes the runner up, two of the three would raise hell to get a new vote issued, and that retroactively ruins the runner up's victory, causing them to raise hell to make the vote stick. And in EITHER situation, Kurt is going to find out eventually. Jacob Ben Israel would have the true result as the headline of Monday's Muckraker or posted on his blog (or whatever he does for the A/V Club) by the next morning. At least Kurt got a chance to take charge of the moment.



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** When Kurt's name was announced, not only is it deathly silent, which means they can't be surprise, since Figgins said the overwhelming majority voted for him, compared to the applause Karofsky received, the camera cuts between the Glee club members' faces of OhCrap to several students shooting him hateful glances.

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** When Kurt's name was announced, not only is it deathly silent, which means they can't be surprise, surprise or shock, since Figgins said the overwhelming majority voted for him, compared to the applause Karofsky received, the camera cuts between the Glee club members' faces of OhCrap to several students shooting him hateful glances.



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* It's never been in Figgins' character to be that cruel, whereas it has been shown that he doesn't have much of a backbone to stand up for the Little Guy until he's been pushed and pushed and pushed into it.


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*** Kurt spent more time on his outfit than any of the girls, for crying out loud! He made himself a kilt. He's not masculine, has never tried to be masculine, so to vote him king doesn't make any sense at all. I think the whole tone of the thing would have been changed either by the way Figgins announced his name or by just one person being super excited for him and starting the cheering and applause.



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*** Because then he'd be dancing with a girl, something they know he wouldn't want to do... maybe it's actually Karofsky they were trying to insult...



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**Because there's this idea that a "real man" is heterosexual, and being gay is being less of a man. A lot of heterosexism is tied to plain old misogyny. If the voters really thought Kurt was fabulous and brave, why not vote him for prom king?


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!!How does Kurt run away crying and still come back and "own the moment"?
Sorry Kurt, but moment over!


!!Why does Kurt get offended at being crowned prom queen?
You can't consider yourself an honourary girl and then cry whenever anyone treats you like one.
* Unfortunately, it's part of the lesson that Blaine and Burt were trying to tell him that he just isn't learning: if he wants to act [[CampGay like an offensive stereotype]] and flaunt his flamboyance in other's faces, they will retaliate.
** Well come on, it's getting to the point where ChrisCrocker can be like "tone it down a little!"


* Unfortunately, it's part of the lesson that Blaine and Burt were trying to tell him that he just isn't learning: if he wants to act [[CampGay like an offensive stereotype]] and flaunt his flamboyance in other's faces, they will retaliate.

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!!Why does Kurt get offended at being crowned prom queen?
You can't consider yourself an honourary girl and then cry whenever anyone treats you like one.
* Unfortunately, it's part of the lesson that Blaine and Burt were trying to tell him that he just isn't learning: if he wants to act [[CampGay like an offensive stereotype]] and flaunt his flamboyance in other's faces, they will retaliate.

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Sorry Kurt, but moment over!


!!Why does Kurt get offended at being crowned prom queen?
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!!Why does Kurt get offended at being crowned prom queen?
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Sorry Kurt, but moment over!



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** Neither does Air Supply. (it's not like Blaine is some random stranger wanting to perform at a school he doesn't go to, he's dating a member of new directions)



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!!Why does Sam think he can't go?
He's performing at the event... is Figgins really going to let him go underdressed?

!!Why does Kurt get offended at being crowned prom queen?
You can't consider yourself an honourary girl and then cry whenever anyone treats you like one.

!!How does Kurt run away crying and still come back and "own the moment"?
Sorry Kurt, but moment over!


* I'm more baffled by the fact that, apparently, the Glee Club gave him a slot to sing at their prom. [[MeanGirls "YOU DON'T EVEN GO HERE!"]]

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* Yeah, but it wasn't overly ''gay''. It easily could have been one of the New Directions guys up their instead of him. He was worried as coming off as too gay towards the toher students; whether he stood out or not was optional and considering Blaine's personality in previous episodes, is it realy that unlikely that he'd try performing at somebody elses prom?

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* Yeah, but it wasn't overly ''gay''. It easily could have been one of the New Directions guys up their instead of him. He was worried as coming off as too gay towards the toher other students; whether he stood out or not was optional and considering Blaine's personality in previous episodes, is it realy really that unlikely that he'd try performing at somebody elses else's prom?




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* I'm more baffled by the fact that, apparently, the Glee Club gave him a slot to sing at their prom. [[MeanGirls "YOU DON'T EVEN GO HERE!"]]


* Well, there was that line in season one when Quinn told Puck she was feeling fat. And then there was that bit in "Home" where Quinn comforts Mercedes about her MeatOVision and pressure to lose weight, saying that she'd been there, too.

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* Well, there was that line in season one when Quinn told Puck she was feeling fat. And then there was that bit in "Home" where Quinn comforts Mercedes about her MeatOVision and pressure to lose weight, saying that she'd been there, too.
** Additionally, during the pep rally in "Home," she was one of the first to raise her hand when Mercedes asked if any of the WMHS students ever felt fat, pimply, etc (although in the context of that episode one would think she was supporting her)


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* He's Blaine. He has alot of concerns about standing out as a homosexual, but he has absolutely no concerns whatsoever to stand out as a performer.


* Were Santana-Karofsky, Quinn-Finn, and Lauren-Puck really the ''only'' candidates? What about the seniors? And the rest of the juniors?
** There were about four more people on both sides of the stage with them. And since it was junior prom, the seniors weren't there.

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* Were Santana-Karofsky, Quinn-Finn, and Lauren-Puck really the ''only'' candidates? What about the seniors? And the rest of the juniors?
** * There were about four more people on both sides of the stage with them. And since it was junior prom, the seniors weren't there.



* So Santana and Mercedes sings dancing Queen during the big dance. What would have happened if Santana had won?
** Contingency plan where Rachel sings instead of Santana gets used? It's something they would've had to think about.

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* So Santana and Mercedes sings dancing Queen during the big dance. What would have happened if Santana had won?
** * Contingency plan where Rachel sings instead of Santana gets used? It's something they would've had to think about.



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* Yeah, but it wasn't overly ''gay''. It easily could have been one of the New Directions guys up their instead of him. He was worried as coming off as too gay towards the toher students; whether he stood out or not was optional and considering Blaine's personality in previous episodes, is it realy that unlikely that he'd try performing at somebody elses prom?



* If Kurt was so upset about being called Prom ''Queen'', why was he fine with ''Dancing Queen'' and all its implications? Wouldn't it have made things worse?
** It was probably selected for the so-called 'Royal Dance' beforehand. Given that they were using a live band, chances are New Directions had a predetermined set list and couldn't change it on the fly.

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* If Kurt was so upset about being called Prom ''Queen'', why was he fine with ''Dancing Queen'' and all its implications? Wouldn't it have made things worse?
** * It was probably selected for the so-called 'Royal Dance' beforehand. Given that they were using a live band, chances are New Directions had a predetermined set list and couldn't change it on the fly.



* He should've known reading it out like that would be hurtful. And why didn't he just throw out all the votes for Kurt as joke votes and pick among the remainders?
** Kurt (and his father) have been troublesome for Figgins several times, most recently with Burt refusing to accept Figgins' word that the school was cleaned up and Karofsky was reformed. There are teachers who are not above using student bullying as a way to gain a little passive revenge on a student who's made their lives difficult. It's not a nice thought, but it's a possibility.

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* He should've known reading it out like that would be hurtful. And why didn't he just throw out all the votes for Kurt as joke votes and pick among the remainders?
** * Kurt (and his father) have been troublesome for Figgins several times, most recently with Burt refusing to accept Figgins' word that the school was cleaned up and Karofsky was reformed. There are teachers who are not above using student bullying as a way to gain a little passive revenge on a student who's made their lives difficult. It's not a nice thought, but it's a possibility.



* He knows his last name is Anderson and there's nobody else with that name to confuse him with.
** Was his name ever mentioned in-show, or is it WordOfGod? They might be trying to keep it under wraps, like with Brittany's.

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** * Was his name ever mentioned in-show, or is it WordOfGod? They might be trying to keep it under wraps, like with Brittany's.



*** Rachel calls him that again in "Blame it on the Alcohol." Maybe it's just an InSeriesNickname or a pet name ND came up with. Or something.

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** It was mentioned on-screen in 'silly Love songs'. 'Blaine Warbler' seems to be a kind of in-universe in-joke.

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* He should've known reading it out like that would be hurtful. And why didn't he just throw out all the votes for Kurt as joke votes and pick among the remainders?

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!! Retreading Old Water and General Sloppiness
* I love Santana, Brittany, and Brittana. But honestly, this episode was just the same thing we got in Born This Way and Sexy. Will and April's story was rushed and not resolved well. Finn and Rachel and Quinn, it's been done so f***ing much. Sam's story was the only redeeming thing.

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* I love Santana, Brittany, and Brittana. But honestly, this episode was just the same thing we got in Born This Way and Sexy. Will and April's story was rushed and not resolved well. Finn and Rachel and Quinn, it's been done so f***ing much. Sam's story was the only redeeming thing.
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* Brittany cheats on Artie with Santana and they just talk. Artie calls her stupid and they break up. Unless they say Brittany has a mental disorder (which would make a good story line), Artie wasn't the worst.



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* Also, young children generally have blonder/lighter hair which darkens as they age. Light blonde hair is not typically a normal adult/young adult color.




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\n* Some schools may also -require- teachers to give out that information. I could see, based on the previous Glee club teacher incident, that McKinley would try to cultivate better communication between teachers and students so that if another incident happens there is someone the student can call and feel safe talking to, instead of banning that sort of communication and basically creating a culture of "Fear your teachers. They want to hurt you." and fostering a parents versus teacher shift-the-blame environment.





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** Sam could have been liying about the lemon juice and be actually using some sort of dye, but was afraid that saying "I dye my hair" would make him less cooler(Or be seem as "girly") by Quinn.
* If I remember correctly, he only lightened his hair color to make it look like it was "sun-bleached" and make himself look like a surfer. He could be naturally blond and just added lights, and that was what Kurt referred to "bottled"

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** But Kurt accused Sam of being a bottle-blond, why would Kurt (the fashionsta) think Sam would use powerful damaging chemicals to lighten his hair half a shade?


The whole point of Santana bearding and prom queen running was to get Britanny to be with her, instead of Artie, and in Sexy, Santana was ready to come on, if she could with Britanny. Why would she give up that chance to continue to perpetuate the lie with Karofsky? (also, why would jewfro not follow santanas eyes, he's a reporter)

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* If he did, truely use lemon juice, it would have been impossible to go from brown hair to blond - this is some experience on my part. If you use lemon juice if you are blond - as I am - you may be glad if it turns your shade just a little lighter. So i would presume that he was blond to begin with.

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!!The backups
We had a huge array of people on violin arrive- who admittedly looked like students- followed shortly by a gospel choir (who did not)... both of whom appeared out of nowhere and didn't stay to watch?


* And fridge horror for me, if the writers didn't forget, and the little Evans are actually blond, that means Sam decided to try to look sexier... by copying his PREPUBESCENT siblings!

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* And fridge horror for me, if Because not every sibling in a family will be the writers same hair color. Also, how do you know that they didn't forget, and the little Evans are actually blond, that means Sam decided ask him to try to look sexier... by copying his PREPUBESCENT siblings!do it for them too?

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!!Hair
Sam colours his hair with lemon juice, why are both his siblings blond? Why does no one mention this?


* Theres also no Aesexual, Pansexual, Omnisexual, or Transvestite/gender. Also, this brings up another question.

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** In-Story: Probably the main one was Tina, and she didn't felt too right after being tackled, and the other girls felt somewhat tired, so Santana steeped up, as she knew the song already. Out-of-story: the writers have had an annoying tendency to give the solos to the same people(In group numbers): it's either Finn/Rachel, or Artie and Santana


**The writers are pretty brilliant...




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!!Relgions?
Will, I believe there are one or two more religions than Judaism, Christianity, and Aethism if your still counting Kurt. Unless we had secret Shintoists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hinduists, Sikhs, and Taoists. I can believe that Tina apparently isn't the same religion as either Rachel (Jew) and Mercedes (lets call her Baptist). Also, if there has been every religion, why hasn't the ''satanist'' gotten more scorn than Kurt has. Though I get the feeling that Sam might be Jedi or something equally nerdy.
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!!Relgions?
Will, I believe there are one or two more religions than Judaism, Christianity, and Aethism if your still counting Kurt. Unless we had secret Shintoists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hinduists, Sikhs, and Taoists. I can believe that Tina apparently isn't the same religion as either Rachel (Jew) and Mercedes (lets call her Baptist). Also, if there has been every religion, why hasn't the ''satanist'' gotten more scorn than Kurt has. Though I get the feeling that Sam might be Jedi or something equally nerdy.
* Not to mention the lack of wiccans, druids, reconstructionists, mormons, gnostic cristians
and possibly furries... also, most satanists don't worship/believe in satan.
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Will, I believe there are one or two more religions than Jewdism(sp?), Christianity, and Aethism if your still counting Kurt. Unless we had secret Shintoists, Bhudists(sp?), Muslims, Hinduists, Sikhs, and Taoists. I can believe that Tina apparently isn't the same religion as either Rachel (Jew) and Mercedes (lets call her Baptist). Also, if there has been every religion, why hasn't the ''satanist'' gotten more scorn than Kurt has. Though I get the feeling that Sam might be Jedi or something equally nerdy.
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Will, I believe there are one or two more religions than Jewdism(sp?), Judaism, Christianity, and Aethism if your still counting Kurt. Unless we had secret Shintoists, Bhudists(sp?), Buddhists, Muslims, Hinduists, Sikhs, and Taoists. I can believe that Tina apparently isn't the same religion as either Rachel (Jew) and Mercedes (lets call her Baptist). Also, if there has been every religion, why hasn't the ''satanist'' gotten more scorn than Kurt has. Though I get the feeling that Sam might be Jedi or something equally nerdy.
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* He wasn't pointing where the room was, he was just pointing out what it was in a general ways since Blaine already knows what choir rooms are, just not McKinley's version of it. Plus, this is probably the first time Blaine's been there after-hours where it isn't busy, so Kurt's taking the time to have a casual stroll and show him 'his home'. It's like giving a first time guest to your home a tour of your house and pointing out the bathroom.



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*** Um... Yes he does. He's proven a few times that he could easily hit the notes that Finn took. The parts that Finn took were clearly out of his range. It sounded truly horrible.




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** It's probably more that they want to do songs that ''they've'' chosen, instead of classic songs forced on them by Schue



* How is a single-time payment equivalent to the cost of a honeymoon going to pay more than year and a half of tuition and school costs for as expensive a place as Dalton Academy? If Burt couldn't afford that as a regular expense, and Finn's mom's salary is barely enough to pay for two people's food and a one-bedroom trailer, how is it that they could have possibly planned a honeymoon that would have cost so much had they gone? Was it a lie to make Kurt feel better about the expense, as long as he didn't think too much about the math, or a, I ''vastly'' underestimating the cost of a short (though unusually expensive) two-person vacation or overestimating how expensive high-class private schools are?

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* How is a single-time payment equivalent to the cost of a honeymoon going to pay more than year and a half of tuition and school costs for as expensive a place as Dalton Academy? If Burt couldn't afford that as a regular expense, and Finn's mom's salary is barely enough to pay for two people's food and a one-bedroom trailer, how is it that they could have possibly planned a honeymoon that would have cost so much had they gone? Was it a lie to make Kurt feel better about the expense, as long as he didn't think too much about the math, or a, am I ''vastly'' underestimating the cost of a short (though unusually expensive) two-person vacation or overestimating how expensive high-class private schools are?



** ''Groups'' can't be paid for gigs. It would be unreasonably restrictive of the Show Choir League (or whatever) to forbid individual students from taking singing jobs that are unaffiliated with their teams. The ''Warblers'' weren't performing, jus Blaine.

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** He din't spend Christmas there, for the same reason he din't spent it with friends. Because the plot said so (also, I am not sure if they live nearby, they could had moved to another town or something).

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**** That's cuz he ''is'' a total hypocrite.


* Quinn is really popular, it's probable that the student body at large has seen her up close enough to notice any minute resemblance between the two, and in a school like Mcinley, would you want to run agains Santana, Quinn or Lauren? it really couldn't have been anyone else, and of the three the picture looked the most like Quinn.

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!!People from different sexual orientations
Did Will just out someone? Without Kurt there is no other open gay/lesbian person in your club.



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* Quinn is really popular, it's probable that the student body at large has seen her up close enough to notice any minute resemblance between the two, and in a school like Mcinley, would you want to run agains Santana, Quinn or Lauren? it really couldn't have been anyone else, and of the three the picture looked the most like Quinn.



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!!Lucy Caboosey
How could anyone figure out that the "Vote for Lucy Caboosey" poster was talking about Quinn? There was nothing on the poster to show that it was her, and the picture doesn't look like her at all.



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** It also puts aside the way the whole school goes nuts every time they have the Glee Club do a number in the assemblies. We love it only if we're forced to be there?


!!Where did Lucy Fabray come from?
The Lucy back story for Quinn felt like it came out of nowhere and even felt mildly inconsistent with what we already knew about Quinn. Also, if you're going to explore Quinn's character, it might help not to pretend that season 1 never happened.
** On the other hand, that's now three gleeks we know the full name of: Brittany Susan Pierce, Kurt Elizabeth Hummel and Lucy Quinn Fabray
*** Don't forget Rachel Barbra Berry, although I think Elizabeth was supposed to be a reference to ''TheProducers'' and not an actual middle name.
** I agree on this, it seems like an AssPull on the writer's part. The closest thing we ever got to even hinting at this was Quinn's mention in season one that she used to constantly worry about her weight when she was popular. And I don't even think that was intentional foreshadowing anyway.
*** Even the thing about her weight in season one seemed to be more implying that the Cheerios made everyone, including people like Quinn who were already very attractive, develop some form of eating disorder. In light of the Lucy revelation, that makes less sense.
*** Though it makes some of her need to be popular and "on top" kind of make more sense, IMO.
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!!Where did Lucy Fabray come from?
The Lucy back story for Quinn felt like it came out of nowhere and even felt mildly inconsistent with what we already knew about Quinn. Also, if you're going to explore Quinn's character, it might help not to pretend that season 1 never happened.
** On the other hand, that's now three gleeks we know the full name of: Brittany Susan Pierce, Kurt Elizabeth Hummel and Lucy Quinn Fabray
*** Don't forget Rachel Barbra Berry, although I think Elizabeth was supposed to be a reference to ''TheProducers'' and not an actual middle name.
** I agree on this, it seems like an AssPull on the writer's part. The closest thing we ever got to even hinting at this was Quinn's mention in season one that she used to constantly worry about her weight when she was popular. And I don't even think that was intentional foreshadowing anyway.
*** Even the thing about her weight in season one seemed to be more implying that the Cheerios made everyone, including people like Quinn who were already very attractive, develop some form of eating disorder. In light of the Lucy revelation, that makes less sense.
*** Though it makes some of her need to be popular and "on top" kind of make more sense, IMO.
!!The editing of the flash mob scene
We can't tell what's going on what with the fast cutting. For something with that amount of dancers, you need to have many more long sections without an edit so that the audience can actually see the performance.



!!Emma's therapist meeting
Her therapist was basically telling her that she had a problem just when Emma was starting to feel some real self-acceptance, and coerced her into getting help. Granted, this Troper can't fully disagree with the therapist's opinion that Emma's OCD has gone far beyond "just who she is", but coercing a grown woman into taking medications and undergoing therapy when she is CLEARLY uncomfortable goes against everything a therapist is taught. It's bad practice.
** Then again Emma ''did'' go to see a therapist of her own volition, and it's clear in this episode that her OCD is starting to get out of control, to the point where it's starting to impair her ability to function in everyday life. Mild medication and talking to someone who can help is preferable to letting things get to a point where you need to pull someone out of their home and workplace to deal with a problem the refuse to deal with. Part of plot is about Emma denying she has a problem when she clearly does, or else things are just going to get worse.

!!Lauren's big reveal of "Lucy Fabray"
This Troper always got the impression that Lauren, for all of her badassitude, still had standards. It struck me as un-Lauren-like to expose Quinn's past for everyone. Blackmail Quinn with it, sure. That's believable. But expose it to the whole school, when she could easily have extorted Quinn for more? No.
** Completely opposite for me, imho. I agree that she has standards, but blackmailing Quinn would be a far more disgusting act than what she did. Lauren isn't in the mood for mindgames, she just wanted to expose Quinn and shatter her entire façade, exposing her for the massive hypocrite that she was.

!!Will to Emma
I understand how Will might be upset that Emma didn't put OCD on her shirt and it was an important thing for her to come to terms with, but who is he to tell anyone what they themselves want to embrace about themselves? In fact, doesn't it go against part of the Aesop if Will is telling someone what they should be ashamed of? Obviously the episode is using it as a way to get Emma to therapy, but it just seemed really weird that Will thought it was appropriate. He could have just pushed Emma to go to therapy rather than act like some other part of her that she wanted to change about herself was completely invalid just because she didn't want to put an extremely personal problem that she could have dealt with separately on her tee shirt.

!!Lauren calling Quinn "a complete fraud"
Ok, Quinn hasn't been very open about what she was like when no one even knew her but I don't think she's even had a reason to. There are two ways to deal with things that you don't like about yourself; change or accept. She changed and doesn't want to think about who she used to be because now she's finally happy about who she is. She even explain this to Lauren very clearly and Lauren still completely misses the point and calls her a fraud and makes it sound like losing weight and getting new hobbies is wrong.
** Quinn however is a massive bitch hypocrite who escaped her old school and underwent plastic surgery only to turn into TheLibby herself, bullying people like she used to be bullied. She's a fraud because of her inherent hypocrisy and not just because she chose to change herself.

!!Kurt's easy readmission into Glee Club
Not that they don't all want him back, but Kurt was a member of New Directions, then The Warblers, then New Directions again, all in one year? Generally there are rules against this sort of thing in high school competition so that it doesn't turn into a talent-poaching free-for-all. Of course, Jesse did it (but didn't actually compete), so maybe it's allowed in the Gleeverse. It'll still be an ass-pull if they get disqualified from Nationals for having Kurt compete.

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!!Emma's therapist meeting
Her therapist was basically telling her that she had a problem just when Emma was starting to feel some real self-acceptance, and coerced her into getting help. Granted, this Troper can't fully disagree with the therapist's opinion that Emma's OCD has gone far beyond "just who she is", but coercing a grown woman into taking medications and undergoing therapy when she is CLEARLY uncomfortable goes against everything a therapist is taught. It's bad practice.
** Then again Emma ''did'' go to see a therapist of her own volition, and it's clear in this episode that her OCD is starting to get out of control, to the point where it's starting to impair her ability to function in everyday life. Mild medication and talking to someone who can help is preferable to letting things get to a point where you need to pull someone out of their home and workplace to deal with a problem the refuse to deal with. Part of plot is about Emma denying she has a problem when she clearly does, or else things are just going to get worse.

!!Lauren's big reveal of "Lucy Fabray"
This Troper always got the impression that Lauren, for all of her badassitude, still had standards. It struck me as un-Lauren-like to expose Quinn's past for everyone. Blackmail Quinn with it, sure. That's believable. But expose it to the whole school, when she could easily have extorted Quinn for more? No.
** Completely opposite for me, imho. I agree that she has standards, but blackmailing Quinn would be a far more disgusting act than what she did. Lauren isn't in the mood for mindgames, she just wanted to expose Quinn and shatter her entire façade, exposing her for the massive hypocrite that she was.

!!Will to Emma
I understand how Will might be upset that Emma didn't put OCD on her shirt and it was an important thing for her to come to terms with, but who is he to tell anyone what they themselves want to embrace about themselves? In fact, doesn't it go against part of the Aesop if Will is telling someone what they should be ashamed of? Obviously the episode is using it as a way to get Emma to therapy, but it just seemed really weird that Will thought it was appropriate. He could have just pushed Emma to go to therapy rather than act like some other part of her that she wanted to change about herself was completely invalid just because she didn't want to put an extremely personal problem that she could have dealt with separately on her tee shirt.

!!Lauren calling Quinn "a complete fraud"
Ok, Quinn hasn't been very open about what she was like when no one even knew her but I don't think she's even had a reason to. There are two ways to deal with things that you don't like about yourself; change or accept. She changed and doesn't want to think about who she used to be because now she's finally happy about who she is. She even explain this to Lauren very clearly and Lauren still completely misses the point and calls her a fraud and makes it sound like losing weight and getting new hobbies is wrong.
** Quinn however is a massive bitch hypocrite who escaped her old school and underwent plastic surgery only to turn into TheLibby herself, bullying people like she used to be bullied. She's a fraud because of her inherent hypocrisy and not just because she chose to change herself.

!!Kurt's easy readmission into Glee Club
Not that they don't all want him back, but Kurt was a member of New Directions, then The Warblers, then New Directions again, all in one year? Generally there are rules against this sort of thing in high school competition so that it doesn't turn into a talent-poaching free-for-all. Of course, Jesse did it (but didn't actually compete), so maybe it's allowed in the Gleeverse. It'll still be an ass-pull if they get disqualified from Nationals for having Kurt compete.



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!!Kurt's easy readmission into Glee Club
Not that they don't all want him back, but Kurt was a member of New Directions, then The Warblers, then New Directions again, all in one year? Generally there are rules against this sort of thing in high school competition so that it doesn't turn into a talent-poaching free-for-all. Of course, Jesse did it (but didn't actually compete), so maybe it's allowed in the Gleeverse. It'll still be an ass-pull if they get disqualified from Nationals for having Kurt compete.

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** Quinn however is a massive bitch hypocrite who escaped her old school and underwent plastic surgery only to turn into TheLibby herself, bullying people like she used to be bullied. She's a fraud because of her inherent hypocrisy and not just because she chose to change herself.


* which is why I think the fans should take a page from The Daily Show, and show Ryan, Ian, and Brad clips of discontinuity at conventions (like why no one asked that at paley just bugs me)

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!!Lauren calling Quinn "a complete fraud"
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** Completely opposite for me, imho. I agree that she has standards, but blackmailing Quinn would be a far more disgusting act than what she did. Lauren isn't in the mood for mindgames, she just wanted to expose Quinn and shatter her entire façade, exposing her for the massive hypocrite that she was.

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!!Will to Emma
I understand how Will might be upset that Emma didn't put OCD on her shirt and it was an important thing for her to come to terms with, but who is he to tell anyone what they themselves want to embrace about themselves? In fact, doesn't it go against part of the Aesop if Will is telling someone what they should be ashamed of? Obviously the episode is using it as a way to get Emma to therapy, but it just seemed really weird that Will thought it was appropriate. He could have just pushed Emma to go to therapy rather than act like some other part of her that she wanted to change about herself was completely invalid just because she didn't want to put an extremely personal problem that she could have dealt with separately on her tee shirt.

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!!Emma's therapist meeting
Her therapist was basically telling her that she had a problem just when Emma was starting to feel some real self-acceptance, and coerced her into getting help. Granted, this Troper can't fully disagree with the therapist's opinion that Emma's OCD has gone far beyond "just who she is", but coercing a grown woman into taking medications and undergoing therapy when she is CLEARLY uncomfortable goes against everything a therapist is taught. It's bad practice.
!!Lauren's big reveal of "Lucy Fabray"
This Troper always got the impression that Lauren, for all of her badassitude, still had standards. It struck me as un-Lauren-like to expose Quinn's past for everyone. Blackmail Quinn with it, sure. That's believable. But expose it to the whole school, when she could easily have extorted Quinn for more? No.


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** I agree on this, it seems like an AssPull on the writer's part. The closest thing we ever got to even hinting at this was Quinn's mention in season one that she used to constantly worry about her weight when she was popular. And I don't even think that was intentional foreshadowing anyway.

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!!Rachel's parents
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** On the other hand, that's now three gleeks we know the full name of, Brittany Susan Pierce, Kurt Elizabeth Hummel and Lucy Quinn Fabray
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*** Don't forget Rachel Barbra Berry, although I think Elizabeth was supposed to be a reference to The Producers ''[[TheProducers]]'' and not an actual middle name.name.
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!!Where did Lucy Fabray come from?
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!!The Land Of Innapropriacy
A male school teacher is essentially saying to his students "Okay, teenage boys and girls- one of whom has been known to make seuxal advances on me before- promise me that if you are ever drunk, alone and vulnerable at 3AM, you will call me. I will come and... 'help' you. Especially after the previous Glee Club director was fired for suspected sexual assault of a minor, was I the only person who was surprised this was portrayed as an okay thing?


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!! Vocal Adrenaline
Where the hell were they?

Yes, I know VA is supposed to be ND’s big arch-rival for a climactic end-of-season showdown at Nationals, but… weren’t they in the same regionals competition last year? Did the regional boundaries change? Unless VA lost at Sectionals, which is highly unlikely, why would they be in a completely different regional competition in two different years? Particularly since the two schools are implied to be close to one another geographically.
** I'm sure they'll see them at Nationals but...how exactly does this thing work? Sectionals is three close together schools in Ohio, Regionals is three close together schools in Ohio, and then it's straight to Nationals from there? What about the rest of Ohio?
*** Aural Intensity is from Indiana, I believe. But the point still stands as to how the hell Regionals is divided up.
**** Ah, okay. You're right, apparently they are from Fort Wayne, which is 72 miles from Lima so Sue could still commute there. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if "Nationals" only has three choirs competing, including VA and ND.
*** Glee obviously shortens what a RealLife show choir would go through. For example, the average set list for a real show choir lasts about 17 minutes.

!! The harmonies in "Raise Your Glass"
Blaine harmonizes with himself in "raise your glass". '''How is that possible???''' I realize it was a recording added to the show, but that doesn't explain it in universe.
** [[AWizardDidIt Magic.]]

!! Tina helping Santana to write her song
It doesn't make sense at all. We've never seen them being that close, and I just can't see why Tina would agree on writing a demeaning song for poor Sam. It just reeks of bad writing, in order to somehow include Tina in an original song without letting her sing or even UTTER a line. It would have been SO much easier and COHERENT plot-wise to have Santana writing the song by herself and Tina helping Mercedes, who IS her friend and is frequently seen hanging with her and having fun.

!! Mercedes asked the writers if she can be more than a black stereotype and they said "Hell to the no!"
Seriously though as much as I want to like Mercedes, they make it difficult when they make her only character trait that she's the "sassy black girl". Alot of minor characters have recieved plenty more character development than she has.



!! Jessie vs. Sunshine
They saw how Jessie betrayed them, Rachel even pointed it out and now they just wanted to include Sunshine because that wouldn't pose any problems. I'm betting that by the time Jessie returns they are going back to their anti-Jessie attitude because he would betray them.
* Actually, Rachel wanted to exclude Sunshine because of Rachel's bitchy diva ego rather than actual betrayal/spy threat and the group called her out on ignoring Jessie's blatant betrayal set-up because she could sleep with him and therefore it suited her. And I'm not sure I'm seeing your point here. They've always been anti-Jesse because the guy fucked them over. Sunshine has no real gain in betraying them or even a real mean of betraying them. If she didn't turn up, they'd merely be back to square one. And again the whole issue of betrayal only comes from Rachel who is plain pissed off over how good Sunshine is.
** A Vocal Adrenaline member shows up to help them. In one case they tell that person to get lost because they don't trust him. The second time they accept it without thinking twice. Only Rachel showed a bit of realistic judgement.
** Because Jesse moved to their school and joined their Glee club, while Sunshine only offers to sing during the night and bring her fans. There isn't any way for her to betray them aside from her and her followers not turning up which simply restores the statues quo they were in before she came into the picture. It's the simple logic of having a massive audience at no drawbacks versus not having any audience. I doubt everyone else trusted Sunshine or was being friendly towards her, they just came off like that against Rachel's 'OMG SHE IS BETTER THAN ME AND I HATE HER SHE MUST BE A SPY'.



!! Blaine's line
He seemed really condescending when he was remarking on how much Kurt missed his friends. A simple "Aww you miss them don't you?" would've sufficed, but he drew the line out as if he was talking to a toddler. And there was no need to actually remark on it in the first place. It felt like a BigLippedALligatorMoment because of how out of place it sounded and the manner in which it was delivered.
** It was more of a gentle teasing than a condescension. And since he's used the same teasing tone before, and Kurt wasn't offended on any of those occasions, I don't think the audience can take offence on his behalf. Kurt isn't exactly naive to tone, so I'm sure he would have called Blaine out if he felt belittled at any point.



!!Mercedes attitude
Yes, I get it that it was mostly Lauren's fault, and that she felt like she was neglected, but really, What the hell was she thinking? She basically screwed over her friends, as they spend money that they needed on her stupid demands. Regardless of the number of people attending, they clearly needed all the money they could get. I'm fairly surprised they tried to please her instead of kicking her out of the benefit.


* How did Artie go from telling Brittany, "I still have feelings for someone else..." to being all, "Oh, cool! Let's have sex!" in basically his very next line? He just had AesopAmnesia in the same scene! In the space of two lines! "I'm not supposed to be with this person. Oh, hold on, wait, I want to have sex with this person." Either that was supposed to be jarring, nonsensical and wrong in an effort to set up the true OTPs (Tina and Artie and, uh...I don't know, Brittany and Santana I guess...) later in the season, or it's really shitty writing.
** Um, because he's a confused teenager, and the girl he still has feelings for is dating a guy who is well known for being good at the one thing Artie really wants to do, but will never be able to? Artie has, at this point, all but given up on getting back together with Tina, and just doesn't know how to stop being in love with her. Remember, the thing that Brittany ultimately used to seduce Artie was the prospect that she would "help [him] forget Tina." The problem wasn't that he didn't want to be with Brittany, it was that he wanted to be with Tina ''more'' and didn't know how to get past that.
** I think another point of it is that ''he's in a wheelchair'' - as he put it later, he wasn't even sure he was able to have sex properly at all, and even then, he probably thought that no girl would ever want to sleep with him in the first place. The fact that he didn't seem to know her reputation for sleeping with everyone meant that he thought she was genuinely interested in him. Did no one catch that dazed, incredulous tone of voice he had when he asked her "does this mean I'm about to lose my virginity?" He thought that it would probably not happen to him for a long time, so now a pretty girl is suddenly sweeping him off his feet, he's going to say no?
*** He did know that his penis still functions. He knew that Brittany has "dated" Mike, Puck, Kurt, Finn and Santana. And in Brittany's defense, she ''was'' genuinely interested in him.

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* How did Artie go from telling Brittany, "I still have feelings for someone else..." to being all, "Oh, cool! Let's have sex!" in basically his very next line? He just had AesopAmnesia in the same scene! In the space of two lines! "I'm not supposed to be with this person. Oh, hold on, wait, I want to have sex with this person." Either that was supposed to be jarring, nonsensical and wrong in an effort to set up the true OTPs (Tina and Artie and, uh...I don't know, Brittany and Santana I guess...) later in the season, or it's really shitty writing.
** Um, because he's a confused teenager, and the girl he still has feelings for is dating a guy who is well known for being good at the one thing Artie really wants to do, but will never be able to? Artie has, at this point, all but given up on getting back together with Tina, and just doesn't know how to stop being in love with her. Remember, the thing that Brittany ultimately used to seduce Artie was the prospect that she would "help [him] forget Tina." The problem wasn't that he didn't want to be with Brittany, it was that he wanted to be with Tina ''more'' and didn't know how to get past that.
** I think another point of it is that ''he's in a wheelchair'' - as he put it later, he wasn't even sure he was able to have sex properly at all, and even then, he probably thought that no girl would ever want to sleep with him in the first place. The fact that he didn't seem to know her reputation for sleeping with everyone meant that he thought she was genuinely interested in him. Did no one catch that dazed, incredulous tone of voice he had when he asked her "does this mean I'm about to lose my virginity?" He thought that it would probably not happen to him for a long time, so now a pretty girl is suddenly sweeping him off his feet, he's going to say no?
*** He did know that his penis still functions. He knew that Brittany has "dated" Mike, Puck, Kurt, Finn and Santana. And in Brittany's defense, she ''was'' genuinely interested in him.



!!Status Quo?
* Does Artie get to keep that ReWalk, or will the status quo gods maintain that he remain in the chair?
** Artie said it himself, "I can't use it all the time." Right now, the ReWalk is pretty slow, awkward, and probably has very little battery life. His wheelchair is kind of superior.

!! Brittany
* Is it just me, or did Brittany just go from [[TheDitz amusing one-liners]] to "Shouldn't be able to legally consent"-territory? Concidering the amount of guys (and girl) she has slept with, it does come off as a rater UnfortunateImplication.
** It's just you. Brittany's personality has been "dumb, but ultimately sweet" ever since she's had a personality. Every bad thing she's done over the series has been the result of Sue's (and, less frequently, Santana's) manipulation. The logical extension of the "dumb/innocent/sweet" combination is that no one ever told her that Santa wasn't real, so she never figured it out on her own. Her promiscuity is an ironic contrast to her wide-eyed innocence. Her character is meant to be a paradox. You wouldn't expect someone who has ''that much'' sex to have such a naive worldview. She's such a wildcard that her utterly bizarre stories and theories (the cricket, her cat, etc.) are still able to surprise you, even though you ''expect'' her to say weird things.
** I think what really happened was a sudden shift from a cute/funny sort of dumb to an incredibly tragic look the effects of being so disabled.
** Perhaps it's also a Deconstruction of people being so worried about protecting someone's innocence and wonder that no one bothers to consider she might more than that and/or better off (or better equipped to handle things later on, at any rate)?



!!The hell kind of school are they attending?
Figgins seems to be a ReasonableAuthorityFigure (Except when Sue is involved), so honestly, while believing the other students yelling and dissing the Glee club is nothing new ''How the hell they hire someone who would throw a shoe to students?'' I mean, yeah, RuleOfFunny or whatever, but that scene was awkward, specially with them early showing the bullying hasn't stopped or diminished at all(Also weird, since Karofsky, who is supposedly being watched for Kurt's incident). Will being fully aware of the bullying and doing absolutely nothing doesn't help either.



!! Dual football related asspulls. Finn loses the first game. Finn wins the other. Because of an identical playcalling fuck up.
* There's a freaking ''reason'' why the formation for taking a kneel is 2 running backs next to the Quarterback, and a Safety or Linebacker about 6 yards behind and ''not'' what that sorry excuse for a formation was. It's because they can recover a fumble if the QB (Finn) drops it. It's ''exceptionally'' unlikely that a team couldn't recover a fumbled Snap on a QB Kneel formation. That's what's it's designed for after all. On first down with 5 seconds left, even if the other team has all 3 time-outs (damn near impossible and would require a very unlikely set of circumstances), Finn could kneel on 2nd and 3rd down, force the other team to use their time-outs, but there's only ''five'' seconds left. There's barely enough time to actually run those 2 kneel down plays including calling the time out after each one. They could have Finn take a snap, run backwards for 5 seconds then kneel to end the match without even giving the other team the ''chance'' to use a time out. Or they just run three QB Kneel plays and the 5 seconds gets used up since it takes at least a second to run each play and a second to make the time out call. At worst, you have Finn take the snap and run into the end zone for an intention safety with time expired ending the game giving Mc Kinley a 1 point win (or he stands around for a second or two then kneels to end the game with a 3 point win). Instead Biest calls a stupid running play and it loses them the match.
** They did ''win'' the game in the end, y'know.
*** I think you've got it confused due to there being two matches. That entry above is about the first match. With [=McKinley=] winning in the first match, all they need is a simple QB Kneel to win the game. Most teams don't even contest a QB kneel as it's considered bad sportsmanship. Instead they call a proper play, which means the other team can avoid the stigma of blizting the QB kneel and do so, Karofsky tanks his blocking and causes Finn to drop the ball. With no safety or RB in the backfield it's a free run. The QB Kneel formation was [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_at_the_Meadowlands created]] in '''1978''' for the very reason of covering a fumble on the snap on a last second QB Kneel play that would ordinarily kill the game off. There is no way a quality coach like Biest would ''ever'' call a play like she did on the final play of the game.
** Holy shit, I just finished watching it, and FUCKING THEY USED IT AGAIN. This time the other team made an identical fucking moronic play call so that Mc Kinley can ''win'' the game. Biest used a time out. With second down and at most, two time outs, at best Mc Kinley can force is two kneel downs followed by time-outs. Since they'd have something like 1 to 5 seconds to kill, they'd probably have either a QB Kneel whilst wasting the last few seconds before the kneel, the QB run away for an intentional safety, or a punt that goes over the sideline after time expires. All of which end the game with a loss to Mc Kinley. Instead the opposing team call a stupid play involving the QB standing to recieve a long snap. It's flubbed because of the 'brains' stuff, and they lose their game in ''identical'' fashion with a recovered defensive fumble TD. At ''best'' McKinley get a shot from a punt return with less than 5 seconds on the clock, or a hail mary if the punter kicks the ball out before time expires.
** WritersCannotDoMath and/or Writers Do Not Play Sports. Sports in movies and television have to be dramatically satisfying. If they were played realistically, people would just ''watch sports'' instead.
** Also, note that Finn seems to be calling the plays not Beiste. This is highly unusual no matter what the level but as noted above, probably a case of Not Playing Sports/Rule of Drama.
** The whole thing seemed like a pretty cut and dry example of TheLawOfConservationOfDetail , though that still doesn't make it any more likely.
* Honestly, everything that happened on the football field in this episode was silly to the point of stupid. You all have covered the problems with the way Finn lost the game and then won the second. And then you have the big game, in which Lima plays a team Beiste has already said is better than her full complement of payers, and is playing them nine-on-11. Oh, and the nine are on the field for every play, offense and defense. And four of them are girls. And the girls, save one really good blocker, lie down on every play. And one of the boys is in a wheelchair. All of this, and somehow Lima is just down 17 at halftime? And Beiste somehow looks shocked, SHOCKED that her team is losing in this situation. I'm willing to suspend a lot of disbelief for a RefugeInAudacity show like Glee, but this was really just too much.
** The sad thing is this episode was their brilliant plan of drawing in the Superbowl crowd, yet they couldn't be bothered to do any research. I mean, sure the fans let them get away with CriticalResearchFail every week, but the newcomers are not going to be so forgiving.

!!The hockey team
* Where have they been this whole time? It seems like they only turned up right when drama was needed. And wasn't Karofsky a hockey player to begin with?
** Presumably he left the hockey team sometime before Theatricality, which is when he was first seen wearing the varsity jacket all the football players wear.
** My guess is that the writing team realized that the drama is better if Karofsky is on the team with Finn, et al, and quietly changed it. Maybe he didn't try out for hockey this year, or didn't make the team. Who knows?
** They were probably a non-factor since the football team was king. You don't mess with the king's turf given the amount of chest beating going on. If they were marking their slushie turf, they were doing it to people other than the football team and Glee (who had been marked by the football team). Once the majority of the football team was in Glee, well... they felt they could make their move into the tog dog slot.

!! The characters of the football team and Sue
* The first problem; They slushied Artie. What.The. [[PrecisionFStrike FUCK?]] Why didn't Bieste say anything about that later? [[UnfortunateImplications Did giving Artie those walkers at christmas mean she didn't have to care about him later?]] It was never elaborated upon later so its like the worst BigLippedAlligatorMoment ever! And the bits with Will and Finn making seem they were inviting him to Glee club, You people do realise that he bullied your student/step brother into going to another school don't you!? I think the writers had a beef with their high school football team because its easier to see them as [[TheScrappy scrappies]] than people. And why did they let them back on the team after they quit within the same time frame? And why didn't Artie play at the final match up thingie?
** Honestly the whole thing bugged me and really made the jocks come off as [[KarmaHoudini Karma Houdinis]].
** First off, who said Artie told on the football players? It's kind of a thing in high school not to tell on the person picking on you for fear of being a "tattletale" and being picked on even more. Even if he did tell on them... There could some degree of TruthInTelevision there. With a lot of bullying cases in real life, the teachers who actually make an effort to stop bullying have to go through a lot, because if the higher-ups don't want to punish kids for bullying there isn't a lot they could do. So, it seems a lot of teachers have given up... However, I think the more likely theory is that Artie never told on them. If he did, Biest would flip shit and YOU KNOW IT.
*** Hell, Artie shouldn't have even ''needed'' to tell anyone, because it was completely fucking obvious what had happened to him and who did it! The whole time Beiste was in that choir room, Artie was sitting there, soaked to the skin with slushie, and aside from the initial "let's go kick Karofsky's ass" response, it's not brought up again by anyone!
*** Also as much as Artie might hate those guys he knows that he still ''needs'' them to win the game. Bieste wouldn't just flip out, she's probably ban them from the football team for the rest of high school.
** Artie may be on the football team, but that doesn't automatically make him a starting player. In fact, he's only there for the battering ram gimmick (assuming Tina isn't a factor at this point), so it makes sense that Beiste wouldn't put him in for something as serious as the championship game.

!! Sue's tantrum
* With Sue, does anyone else think she's getting more villainous? She tricked a sweet mentally slow Brittney to risking her life to be shot out of a cannon? And her rampage didn't make me think she was being funny, just more mean spiritedness overriding it like a spoiled baby tantrum.
** Yes, she is. But that's kind of a ''good'' thing. Last season, Sue did a minor HeelFaceTurn to save the glee club, because she was the only one who could. But she's supposed to be the villain. This year, Will has an ally with clout at the school. Beiste. The duumvirate of Schue and Beiste has more sway over Figgins than Sue on her own, and the realization that she's not on top anymore is causing her to spiral out of control.
** The more important issue with this; how is she ''not'' fired after such a giant tantrum? I know this show isn't meant to be totally realistic, but if a kid is nearly kicked out for harrasing another student for being gay, why is a teacher aloud to disrupt class like that and still keep their job?
** The show isn't "not meant to be totally realistic." It's meant to be totally ''un''realistic! Have you ''seen'' Sue? That woman would be in ''prison'' if she actually existed. The characters don't respond to situations like realistic people. Their reactions are amplified exponentially according to the level of emotion they are experiencing. This is the angriest Sue has ever been, so her freakout skipped over CrossesTheLineTwice and landed back in "terrible" territory.

!! The Warblers being pointless
* Did anyone else think "Bills Bills Bills" was a BigLippedAlligatorMoment? Was it really necessary to feature the Warblers this episode? And like all of their songs it was just another song sung by Blaine that's supposed to be sung by women, as if we haven't seen enough of that already. They have already sung more songs in the few epsiodes they were featured in than some main-characters have in both season 1 and 2. If they had to pad the episodes couldn't they have done it with characters we actually care about?
** It was the obligatory Kurt-cameo. It was just like his number in the Christmas episode, it had absolutely nothing to do with the main plots, just a way to give him some screen time.
** Also, Hey Soul Sister and his part in Baby Its Cold Outside were masculine. He hasn't sung feminine songs in front of an audience, outside of the school where he's quite out.
*** Kurt had '''the GIRL's''' part in Baby It's Cold Outside. Last I checked Girl= Not Masculine At All.
** Kurt doesn't get ''cameos.'' Kurt is one of the four main characters (with Rachel, Finn, and Will). Regardless of the amount of screentime he gets, it is not a "cameo." Also, "Bills, Bills, Bills" ''did'' serve a purpose. It's on their shortlist for Regionals (it may or may not end up being something they actually ''do''; but that depends on whether more than one of their songs gets shown or not). Did you notice the look between Rachel and Mercedes when Blaine and Kurt mentioned that the Warblers were ready for Regionals? "Bills, Bills, Bills" was meant to reinforce that New Directions is ''not'' prepared for Regionals ''at all.'' Besides, the Warblers' performances ''routinely'' blow New Directions' songs out of the water. There is no such thing as too much all-male a cappella.
*** 'Routinely blow ND's songs out of the water'? But they have been ''sucking'' ever since Teenage Dream, which was amazingly cringeworthy, all the way to 'Animal', which was terrible! I know of YMMV, but that is basically musical heresy. Also, the Warblers need to be PutOnABusToHell right about yesterday.
*** That last part is a MASSIVE YMMV. I don't care too much for the sound of their music and I know I'm not the only one, so I'm personally tired of the Warblers and find them (and Blaine to a degree) extremely overexposed.
** What bugged me about this scene is once again Blaine dominated the whole song. This completely goes against the whole, “solo as a group” nonsense from before! Just like Soul Sister!
*** Again, that's how A Capella groups work. Also we're only seeing a very small number of songs in their repotoire, a high schol choir can be working on several songs at once and pick and choose on the four or five best for competition or performance so there may be more variety going on that we don't see. Of course a simpler explaination is that Darren Criss needs to earn his paycheck and so they make him sing lead.

!! Motivation.
* Azimio, how in the [[PrecisionFStrike fuck]] is show choir ''racist?!'' I must have missed [[GallowsHumor KKK The Musical.]] Especially since they have multiple times sung songs by black men (Thriller) and black women (Single Ladies). Also, how are both pop music and showtunes exclusively feminine. To add to both, didn't they in front of everyone in the season premiere sing Empire State Of Mind? As in Jay-Z, a ''black man''.
** Azimio is a black high school student looking for a reason to support his irrational hatred of Glee club. Of ''course'' the first thing he thinks to do is play the race card. It's called irony; he's supporting his intolerance by claiming intolerance. By the way, support your argument with the songs they perform all you want, but at least [[DidNotDoTheResearch do your research next time.]] They didn't do Michael Jackson until ''this'' episode, ''after'' he complained, and Single Ladies ''wasn't performed by New Directions.'' The football team did it as a dance number.
** My apologies, I thought they had, and I thought that Thriller was already stated. My mistake. Empire State Of Mind stands however.
** On second viewing, he doesn't really claim that they ''only'' do show tunes. He says that he refuses to sing them. He's just being an obstinate ass.
** He says he's not doing show tunes because it's the "music of my oppressors"...completely forgetting that one of their main members is ''[[SassyBlackWoman Mercedes frigging Jones.]]'' He's just being an ignorant dumbass.

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!! Dual football related asspulls. Finn loses the first game. Finn wins the other. Because of an identical playcalling fuck up.
* There's a freaking ''reason'' why the formation for taking a kneel is 2 running backs next to the Quarterback, and a Safety or Linebacker about 6 yards behind and ''not'' what that sorry excuse for a formation was. It's because they can recover a fumble if the QB (Finn) drops it. It's ''exceptionally'' unlikely that a team couldn't recover a fumbled Snap on a QB Kneel formation. That's what's it's designed for after all. On first down with 5 seconds left, even if the other team has all 3 time-outs (damn near impossible and would require a very unlikely set of circumstances), Finn could kneel on 2nd and 3rd down, force the other team to use their time-outs, but there's only ''five'' seconds left. There's barely enough time to actually run those 2 kneel down plays including calling the time out after each one. They could have Finn take a snap, run backwards for 5 seconds then kneel to end the match without even giving the other team the ''chance'' to use a time out. Or they just run three QB Kneel plays and the 5 seconds gets used up since it takes at least a second to run each play and a second to make the time out call. At worst, you have Finn take the snap and run into the end zone for an intention safety with time expired ending the game giving Mc Kinley a 1 point win (or he stands around for a second or two then kneels to end the game with a 3 point win). Instead Biest calls a stupid running play and it loses them the match.
** They did ''win'' the game in the end, y'know.
*** I think you've got it confused due to there being two matches. That entry above is about the first match. With [=McKinley=] winning in the first match, all they need is a simple QB Kneel to win the game. Most teams don't even contest a QB kneel as it's considered bad sportsmanship. Instead they call a proper play, which means the other team can avoid the stigma of blizting the QB kneel and do so, Karofsky tanks his blocking and causes Finn to drop the ball. With no safety or RB in the backfield it's a free run. The QB Kneel formation was [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_at_the_Meadowlands created]] in '''1978''' for the very reason of covering a fumble on the snap on a last second QB Kneel play that would ordinarily kill the game off. There is no way a quality coach like Biest would ''ever'' call a play like she did on the final play of the game.
** Holy shit, I just finished watching it, and FUCKING THEY USED IT AGAIN. This time the other team made an identical fucking moronic play call so that Mc Kinley can ''win'' the game. Biest used a time out. With second down and at most, two time outs, at best Mc Kinley can force is two kneel downs followed by time-outs. Since they'd have something like 1 to 5 seconds to kill, they'd probably have either a QB Kneel whilst wasting the last few seconds before the kneel, the QB run away for an intentional safety, or a punt that goes over the sideline after time expires. All of which end the game with a loss to Mc Kinley. Instead the opposing team call a stupid play involving the QB standing to recieve a long snap. It's flubbed because of the 'brains' stuff, and they lose their game in ''identical'' fashion with a recovered defensive fumble TD. At ''best'' McKinley get a shot from a punt return with less than 5 seconds on the clock, or a hail mary if the punter kicks the ball out before time expires.
** WritersCannotDoMath and/or Writers Do Not Play Sports. Sports in movies and television have to be dramatically satisfying. If they were played realistically, people would just ''watch sports'' instead.
** Also, note that Finn seems to be calling the plays not Beiste. This is highly unusual no matter what the level but as noted above, probably a case of Not Playing Sports/Rule of Drama.
** The whole thing seemed like a pretty cut and dry example of TheLawOfConservationOfDetail , though that still doesn't make it any more likely.
* Honestly, everything that happened on the football field in this episode was silly to the point of stupid. You all have covered the problems with the way Finn lost the game and then won the second. And then you have the big game, in which Lima plays a team Beiste has already said is better than her full complement of payers, and is playing them nine-on-11. Oh, and the nine are on the field for every play, offense and defense. And four of them are girls. And the girls, save one really good blocker, lie down on every play. And one of the boys is in a wheelchair. All of this, and somehow Lima is just down 17 at halftime? And Beiste somehow looks shocked, SHOCKED that her team is losing in this situation. I'm willing to suspend a lot of disbelief for a RefugeInAudacity show like Glee, but this was really just too much.
** The sad thing is this episode was their brilliant plan of drawing in the Superbowl crowd, yet they couldn't be bothered to do any research. I mean, sure the fans let them get away with CriticalResearchFail every week, but the newcomers are not going to be so forgiving.

!!The hockey team
* Where have they been this whole time? It seems like they only turned up right when drama was needed. And wasn't Karofsky a hockey player to begin with?
** Presumably he left the hockey team sometime before Theatricality, which is when he was first seen wearing the varsity jacket all the football players wear.
** My guess is that the writing team realized that the drama is better if Karofsky is on the team with Finn, et al, and quietly changed it. Maybe he didn't try out for hockey this year, or didn't make the team. Who knows?
** They were probably a non-factor since the football team was king. You don't mess with the king's turf given the amount of chest beating going on. If they were marking their slushie turf, they were doing it to people other than the football team and Glee (who had been marked by the football team). Once the majority of the football team was in Glee, well... they felt they could make their move into the tog dog slot.

!! The characters of the football team and Sue
* The first problem; They slushied Artie. What.The. [[PrecisionFStrike FUCK?]] Why didn't Bieste say anything about that later? [[UnfortunateImplications Did giving Artie those walkers at christmas mean she didn't have to care about him later?]] It was never elaborated upon later so its like the worst BigLippedAlligatorMoment ever! And the bits with Will and Finn making seem they were inviting him to Glee club, You people do realise that he bullied your student/step brother into going to another school don't you!? I think the writers had a beef with their high school football team because its easier to see them as [[TheScrappy scrappies]] than people. And why did they let them back on the team after they quit within the same time frame? And why didn't Artie play at the final match up thingie?
** Honestly the whole thing bugged me and really made the jocks come off as [[KarmaHoudini Karma Houdinis]].
** First off, who said Artie told on the football players? It's kind of a thing in high school not to tell on the person picking on you for fear of being a "tattletale" and being picked on even more. Even if he did tell on them... There could some degree of TruthInTelevision there. With a lot of bullying cases in real life, the teachers who actually make an effort to stop bullying have to go through a lot, because if the higher-ups don't want to punish kids for bullying there isn't a lot they could do. So, it seems a lot of teachers have given up... However, I think the more likely theory is that Artie never told on them. If he did, Biest would flip shit and YOU KNOW IT.
*** Hell, Artie shouldn't have even ''needed'' to tell anyone, because it was completely fucking obvious what had happened to him and who did it! The whole time Beiste was in that choir room, Artie was sitting there, soaked to the skin with slushie, and aside from the initial "let's go kick Karofsky's ass" response, it's not brought up again by anyone!
*** Also as much as Artie might hate those guys he knows that he still ''needs'' them to win the game. Bieste wouldn't just flip out, she's probably ban them from the football team for the rest of high school.
** Artie may be on the football team, but that doesn't automatically make him a starting player. In fact, he's only there for the battering ram gimmick (assuming Tina isn't a factor at this point), so it makes sense that Beiste wouldn't put him in for something as serious as the championship game.

!! Sue's tantrum
* With Sue, does anyone else think she's getting more villainous? She tricked a sweet mentally slow Brittney to risking her life to be shot out of a cannon? And her rampage didn't make me think she was being funny, just more mean spiritedness overriding it like a spoiled baby tantrum.
** Yes, she is. But that's kind of a ''good'' thing. Last season, Sue did a minor HeelFaceTurn to save the glee club, because she was the only one who could. But she's supposed to be the villain. This year, Will has an ally with clout at the school. Beiste. The duumvirate of Schue and Beiste has more sway over Figgins than Sue on her own, and the realization that she's not on top anymore is causing her to spiral out of control.
** The more important issue with this; how is she ''not'' fired after such a giant tantrum? I know this show isn't meant to be totally realistic, but if a kid is nearly kicked out for harrasing another student for being gay, why is a teacher aloud to disrupt class like that and still keep their job?
** The show isn't "not meant to be totally realistic." It's meant to be totally ''un''realistic! Have you ''seen'' Sue? That woman would be in ''prison'' if she actually existed. The characters don't respond to situations like realistic people. Their reactions are amplified exponentially according to the level of emotion they are experiencing. This is the angriest Sue has ever been, so her freakout skipped over CrossesTheLineTwice and landed back in "terrible" territory.

!! The Warblers being pointless
* Did anyone else think "Bills Bills Bills" was a BigLippedAlligatorMoment? Was it really necessary to feature the Warblers this episode? And like all of their songs it was just another song sung by Blaine that's supposed to be sung by women, as if we haven't seen enough of that already. They have already sung more songs in the few epsiodes they were featured in than some main-characters have in both season 1 and 2. If they had to pad the episodes couldn't they have done it with characters we actually care about?
** It was the obligatory Kurt-cameo. It was just like his number in the Christmas episode, it had absolutely nothing to do with the main plots, just a way to give him some screen time.
** Also, Hey Soul Sister and his part in Baby Its Cold Outside were masculine. He hasn't sung feminine songs in front of an audience, outside of the school where he's quite out.
*** Kurt had '''the GIRL's''' part in Baby It's Cold Outside. Last I checked Girl= Not Masculine At All.
** Kurt doesn't get ''cameos.'' Kurt is one of the four main characters (with Rachel, Finn, and Will). Regardless of the amount of screentime he gets, it is not a "cameo." Also, "Bills, Bills, Bills" ''did'' serve a purpose. It's on their shortlist for Regionals (it may or may not end up being something they actually ''do''; but that depends on whether more than one of their so