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** You're talking as if human life is just a number. It's easy for you to say things like "as long as they killed less than 100,000 people" when you're not directly involved. You have to think with the mindset that you're among the possible victims. You wouldn't take such chances. It's better to prevent casualties from the very beginning. You can't just pat the relatives of the victims on the back and tell them that it's okay, we got the bad guys. Their friends, families, lovers and children are already dead. Besides, we're talking about Cantus, not guns. Someone could literally just hide in a bush on a hill and flattens an entire city in two seconds without anyone knowing who did it.


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** Because it's still better than nothing at all. Finding a method that's completely foolproof is impossible. This applies to any engineering. They couldn't really afford to experiment on this either. It's a matter of life and death against a near unlimited psychic power.
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** They didn't adapt all of bonobo's traits into humans. Just the sex part, and they didn't just copy and paste it as it is. They adjusted it for their needs. It's the same with the wolf thing. They specifically said the scientists learned and tried to mimic the behavior. They weren't saying wolves are 100% peaceful towards their own species. Obviously exceptions exist, and nothing in the world is perfect. Even the methods the scientists came up with aren't perfect. That's the point.
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** Contrary to what most people think, weakness is just as dangerous. People often get frustrated because they're weak and unable to deal with whatever problem they're facing in life. If they're strong and can handle the problem, they will just deal with it and not be frustrated. This is actually shown with Reiko and Mamoru having emotional breakdowns. There are also many cases in real life where the weak went crazy and brutal when given the chance, like the French Revolution.
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** Because they're the same thing. Death feedback is simply what happens if the reaction from attack inhibition continues. Attack inhibition uses Cantus to stop organ functions when someone thinks about harming humans. The person will feel sick and stop the violent thoughts. However, if it continues for whatever reason, then the person will die, because a human body can't work without those organs.
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** The red-haired Akki is described to have monster rat tribal tattoos all over their body, and speaks monster rat. The diet and environment in which they grow up may also give them monster rat-like body odor. If any other rat-raised Akki have all the above, it would be easier to fool the Akkis into thinking "you're a monster rat too" when they are near each other.

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** The red-haired Akki is described to have monster rat tribal tattoos all over their body, and speaks monster rat. The diet and environment in which they grow up may also give them a monster rat-like body odor. If any other rat-raised Akki Akkis have all the above, it would be easier to fool the Akkis into thinking "you're a monster rat too" when they are near each other.
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* Wouldn't it be safer for humanity to only have death feedback installed but not attack inhibition? That way any killer would've died even if they only kill one human, minimizing damage, while any time an Akki appears, there could always be villagers willingly sacrifice themselves to kill the Akki. No attack inhibition=no hesitation to strike at them. There, you get the best out of both worlds.
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** The red-haired Akki is described to have monster rat tribal tattoos all over their body, and speaks monster rat. The diet and environment in which they grow up may also give them monster rat-like body odor. If any other rat-raised Akki have all the above, it would be easier to fool the Akkis into thinking "you're a monster rat too" when they are near each other.
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** The colonies already fight among themselves regularly, to take slaves, which when you think about it is likely an intended control mechanism (to keep the rats divided by instincts and feuds). For every colony that manages to overcome the fear of consequences (read: being mutated into clumps of cancer cells) and the crushingly impossible odds, there will always be dozens more eager to kill them to please the capricious "Gods." [[spoiler:Squealer]] only succeeded through this phase because he had [[spoiler:the pseudo-Akki]] as a trump card.
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* How was death feedback/attack inhibition instilled in humans? I assume it's genetic because people seem to be be born with it. But most people would not be willing to allow their genes to be altered to effectively make themselves defenseless and would fight against it. Someone without death feedback would easily be unstoppable to any group that advocates for it.

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* How was death feedback/attack inhibition instilled in humans? I assume it's genetic because people seem to be be born with it. But most people would not be willing to allow their genes to be altered to effectively make themselves defenseless and would fight against it. Someone without death feedback would easily be unstoppable to any group that advocates for it.it.
** With the information presented by the anime, it's easy to infer that it's a combination of psychological conditioning and biological engineering. Children are raised from birth indoctrinated with what we would consider extreme capacity for empathy: Saki's reaction to the Buddhist priest at her initiation ritual pretending that she was hurting him was a "pass", so she wasn't disposed of. A less empathetic child likely would have been. However, even the less empathetic children will likely be born with a biological intolerance to some of the hormones involved in stressful empathetic emotions and/or extreme guilt. Probably the first humans who agreed to embark upon a society similar to the one by the time of the story "disposed of" any dissenters before modifying their genes such that their children would be born with such a weakness.
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** The problem with this is sort of showing the kids their leash. It totally makes sense that there are potential techniques for the sealing of spirit-based powers... but it doesn't make sense inherently that everyone who's ever lived in the village has an unbearable need to return to the village. Plus, this would make it EXTRA DANGEROUS if they ever had to leave the village for any reason...
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** It’s implied he killed it without looking back. Like he heard the noise, but since he recognized it, and didn’t look back, it couldn’t stun him. Then killed it by forming a vortex in that general area.
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* If psychological programming theoretically prevents human-on-human violence, and powers could be psychologically ‘sealed’ away, why not program all the kids to have a set expiration date for how long they can tolerate being in the outside world before getting an overwhelming need to return to a village?
* The humans created the monster rats so they could kill them without suffering the Death of Shame, why not program the rats with sleeper agents who would randomly sabotage their operations?
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* How was death feedback/attack inhibition instilled in humans? You figure it's something people owuld be born with since I assume it's genetic. But at the same time most people would not be willing to effectively make themselves defenseless l]ike that and would fight against it. Someone without death feedback would easily be unstoppable to any group that advocates for it.

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* How was death feedback/attack inhibition instilled in humans? You figure it's something people owuld be born with since I assume it's genetic. genetic because people seem to be be born with it. But at the same time most people would not be willing to allow their genes to be altered to effectively make themselves defenseless l]ike that and would fight against it. Someone without death feedback would easily be unstoppable to any group that advocates for it.
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** She's not literally his grandmother. It may have been skipped over in the anime, but in the novel she tells Saki she's nine generations apart from Satoru. He has 1/512 of her DNA.

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** She's not literally his grandmother. It may have been skipped over in the anime, but in the novel she tells Saki she's nine generations apart from Satoru. He has 1/512 of her DNA.DNA.
* How was death feedback/attack inhibition instilled in humans? You figure it's something people owuld be born with since I assume it's genetic. But at the same time most people would not be willing to effectively make themselves defenseless l]ike that and would fight against it. Someone without death feedback would easily be unstoppable to any group that advocates for it.
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** "Trickster cat" is the term used by kids in the stories/rumors they tell. Though those kids don't know it for sure, the creature exists and is officially called an impure cat. A character using both terms is referring to the same creature in different contexts; e.g., an adult Saki might use the term "trickster cat" when talking about the cats in the context of her childhood experiences.
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* The translation on Crunchyroll referred to both Trickster Cats and Impure Cats. Are these two different things or did the translation team forget which term they were going with?
* Who rescued [[spoiler:Mamoru]] from the [[spoiler:Cat]] in the school?

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** Shisei can't do that because of the attack suppression gene that was added at the same time as the death feedback.



** Although it's not directly stated in the series, the Bakenezumi queens are capable of mutating their offspring in the womb for specific purposes, implying that they may have some latent psychic abilities manifesting, as well.

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** Although it's not directly stated in the series, anime, the Bakenezumi queens are capable of mutating their offspring in the womb for specific purposes, implying that they may have some latent psychic abilities manifesting, as well.



** Despite her age, she still appears to have an infantile personality. She's also obviously quite unhinged and prone to emotional outbursts, demonstrated when she saw her reflection in the mirror. It's pretty obvious she was raised specifically as a weapon against Aki users, not even allowed the time to socialize with others even other monster rats. It's obvious Yakomaru may have isolated and conditioned her since birth to regard herself as a fellow monster rat.
** She must be aware that not all queerats looks the same. Kiroumaru and Yakomaru/Squealer doesn't look alike at all, not mentioning footsoldiers.

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** Despite her age, she still appears to have an infantile personality. She's also obviously quite unhinged and prone to emotional outbursts, demonstrated when she saw her reflection in the mirror. It's pretty obvious she was raised specifically as a weapon against Aki Power users, not even allowed the time to socialize with others others, even other monster rats. It's obvious Yakomaru may have isolated and conditioned her since birth to regard herself as a fellow monster rat.
** She must be aware that not all queerats looks the same. Kiroumaru and Yakomaru/Squealer doesn't don't look alike at all, not mentioning footsoldiers.to mention foot soldiers.
** The queens can mutate their offspring in the womb to have just about any appearance, so that wouldn't indicate anything. In particular, in the novel part of [[spoiler:the attack on the town]] is monster rats that were mutated to look almost like humans, so she would look pretty similar to them, anyway.



** They are believed to be dangerous because they can't control their Cantus and have the possibility of becoming Karmic Demons, like [[spoiler:Shin.]]
** Saki's sister was in a weird social position - she was nonpsychic, and a non-psychic among the Kamisu could create a social distinction that might break the engineering separating humans and bakenezumi. Reiko's problem was lack of control as above. Mamoru was a different problem. It's not that his power was uncontrollable (he was a weakling but able to control it), but his emotions - he wasn't trusted to fit in with the system as an adult.

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** They are believed to be dangerous because they can't control their Cantus and have the possibility of becoming Karmic Demons, like [[spoiler:Shin.]]
[[spoiler:Shun]] does.
** Saki's sister was in a weird social position - showed signs of astigmatism/nearsightedness, which would make her dangerous because cantus works through visualizing the desired effect, so she was nonpsychic, and a non-psychic among the Kamisu could create a social distinction that might break the engineering separating humans and bakenezumi.would have trouble using her power properly. Reiko's problem was lack of control as above. Mamoru was a different problem. It's not that his power was uncontrollable (he was a weakling but able to control it), but his emotions - he wasn't trusted to fit in with the system as an adult.



* I just have a hard time believing that the Monster Rat invasion was remotely possible. Satoru was 12 when he single handedly killed thousands of Earth Spider's. Why is everyone else in town so bad at deflecting arrows and counter-attacking?
** They attacked when the town was unprepared, in the middle of the night, and throwing a festival. They used new technology the people of Kamisu 66 did not understand. After that, the Messiah was largely responsible. After people found out that, people were too scared to fight back. Indeed, after the Messiah was killed, they did go on to slaughter the Robber Fly. And a bunch of unrelated colonies.

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* I just have a hard time believing that the Monster Rat invasion was remotely possible. Satoru was 12 when he single handedly killed thousands of Earth Spider's.Spiders. Why is everyone else in town so bad at deflecting arrows and counter-attacking?
** They attacked when the town was unprepared, in the middle of the night, and throwing a festival. They used new technology the people of Kamisu 66 did not understand. After that, the Messiah was largely responsible. After people found out that, people were too scared to fight back. Indeed, after the Messiah was killed, they did go on to slaughter the Robber Fly.Fly colony. And a bunch of unrelated colonies.



* The idea of using bonobos as a way of making the people inherently calmer and less aggressive is flawed. Yes bonobos resolve disputes through sex and are generally calm among each other, this is true. But we've seen through study that they are extremely aggressive and warlike to groups not seen as part of their own. Bonobos hunt in war parties, both male and female, and make intelligent surgical strikes against neighboring colonies of monkey and chimpanzees (and chimps are generally known as one of the most aggressive apes). They kill mercilessly and even take prisoners of war. So it doesn't seem right that putting bonobo mental conditioning in us would fix our aggressive tendencies, and you can't blame it on the time the novel was published, because we already knew this about bonobos at that point.
** Forget bonobos, what makes writers believe wolves have a way to avoid killing their own kind?! Wolves are opportunistic eaters, that don't shy away from cannibalism. Sure they are nice to their pack, but their pack is essentially family. It feels like writers didn't do their research, and used whatever justification. They could at least say that they engineered some kind of super-mirror neuron that connect to their parallel nervous system, causing organ failure and not base this on animals at all.

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** It's specifically mentioned in the letters from Maria and her mother that yes, Saki is somewhat easy to emotionally hurt, but she has a remarkable capacity to not break under the strain and to cope with trauma. Tomiko tells her about the personality index, a measure of mental stability, on which Saki has possibly the highest score ever seen in the village.
* The idea of using bonobos as a way of making the people inherently calmer and less aggressive is flawed. Yes Yes, bonobos resolve disputes through sex and are generally calm among each other, this is true. But we've seen through study that they are extremely aggressive and warlike to groups not seen as part of their own. Bonobos hunt in war parties, both male and female, and make intelligent surgical strikes against neighboring colonies of monkey monkeys and chimpanzees (and chimps are generally known as one of the most aggressive apes). They kill mercilessly and even take prisoners of war. So So, it doesn't seem right that putting bonobo mental conditioning in us would fix our aggressive tendencies, and you can't blame it on the time the novel was published, because we already knew this about bonobos at that point.
** Forget bonobos, what makes writers believe wolves have a way to avoid killing their own kind?! Wolves are opportunistic eaters, that don't shy away from cannibalism. Sure Sure, they are nice to their pack, but their pack is essentially family. It feels like writers didn't do their research, and used whatever justification. They could at least say that they engineered some kind of super-mirror neuron that connect to their parallel nervous system, causing organ failure and not base this on animals at all.



* Why did the scientists feel the need to impose both attack inhibition AND death feedback. Both aren't foolproof, but they contradict each other as fallbacks - it is the attack inhibition of those around them that makes Fiends so unstoppable. If there was only death feedback and no attack inhibition, most would still be deterred from killing, but it allows the possibility of people sacrificing themselves to kill fiends in true emergencies.

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* Why did the scientists feel the need to impose both attack inhibition AND death feedback. feedback? Both aren't foolproof, but they contradict each other as fallbacks - it is the attack inhibition of those around them that makes Fiends so unstoppable. If there was only death feedback and no attack inhibition, most would still be deterred from killing, but it allows the possibility of people sacrificing themselves to kill fiends in true emergencies.



* Tomiko is Satoru's grandmother, yet the oldest she'd likely be able to bear children would have been over fifty years ago when she was between 200-210. We know that her aging speed is roughly 1/4th normal (assuming a straight line from birth - if [[ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty her age only slowed in her twenties or thirties when she learned the technique]], then she'd have hit menopause earlier). This is all assuming that menopause is slowed by her immortality technique. So how does the math work?

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** The premise is that Saki's writing a letter to the people of the distant future from a time she hopes is the start of a new world, as she intends to change the society of her town.
* Tomiko is Satoru's grandmother, yet the oldest she'd likely be able to bear children would have been over fifty years ago when she was between 200-210. We know that her aging speed is roughly 1/4th normal (assuming a straight line from birth - if [[ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty her age only slowed in her twenties or thirties when she learned the technique]], then she'd have hit menopause earlier). This is all assuming that menopause is slowed by her immortality technique. So So, how does the math work?work?
** She's not literally his grandmother. It may have been skipped over in the anime, but in the novel she tells Saki she's nine generations apart from Satoru. He has 1/512 of her DNA.
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** Saki's sister was in a weird social position - she was nonpsychic, and a non-psychic among the Kamisu could create a social distinction that might break the engineering separating humans and bakenezumi. Reiko's problem was lack of control as above. Mamoru was a different problem. It's not that his power was uncontrollable (he was a weakling but able to control it), but his emotions - he wasn't trusted to fit in with the system as an adult.


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** Also, we've seen what happens when every psychic has the potential power to wipe out a nation single-handedly. It's not "robbing a gun store in Texas," it's Somalia with nuclear weapons. Obviously, the village network may eventually fall in its own time, but for the upper class (look, the psychics as a whole simply don't care about the lower)

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** They may have wanted to avoid discomfort with the opposite sex. Also, it creates another layer of social conditioning to use as a tripwire - Mamoru's failure to participate in the Society of Love is part of what marked him as a likely weak link.

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** They may have wanted to avoid discomfort with the opposite sex. Also, it creates another layer of social conditioning to use as a tripwire - Mamoru's failure to participate in the Society of Love was SingleTargetSexuality rather than simple heterosexuality, and that level of obsession is part of what marked him as a likely weak link.



* I don't get why "From The New World" is the title. The premise is that Saki is writing this all down as a warning to future generations never to let these events repeat themselves. But in that case shouldn't it be called From The OLD World? Or TO The New World?

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* I don't get why "From The New World" is the title. The premise is that Saki is writing this all down as a warning to future generations never to let these events repeat themselves. But in that case shouldn't it be called From The OLD World? Or TO The New World?World?
* Tomiko is Satoru's grandmother, yet the oldest she'd likely be able to bear children would have been over fifty years ago when she was between 200-210. We know that her aging speed is roughly 1/4th normal (assuming a straight line from birth - if [[ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty her age only slowed in her twenties or thirties when she learned the technique]], then she'd have hit menopause earlier). This is all assuming that menopause is slowed by her immortality technique. So how does the math work?
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** Also, Saki has the knack for fixing things through ESP, which will help her develop the [[LongLived telomere-repair visualization]].


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** They may have wanted to avoid discomfort with the opposite sex. Also, it creates another layer of social conditioning to use as a tripwire - Mamoru's failure to participate in the Society of Love is part of what marked him as a likely weak link.
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* Why did the scientists feel the need to impose both attack inhibition AND death feedback. Both aren't foolproof, but they contradict each other as fallbacks - it is the attack inhibition of those around them that makes Fiends so unstoppable. If there was only death feedback and no attack inhibition, most would still be deterred from killing, but it allows the possibility of people sacrificing themselves to kill fiends in true emergencies.

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* Why did the scientists feel the need to impose both attack inhibition AND death feedback. Both aren't foolproof, but they contradict each other as fallbacks - it is the attack inhibition of those around them that makes Fiends so unstoppable. If there was only death feedback and no attack inhibition, most would still be deterred from killing, but it allows the possibility of people sacrificing themselves to kill fiends in true emergencies.emergencies.
* I don't get why "From The New World" is the title. The premise is that Saki is writing this all down as a warning to future generations never to let these events repeat themselves. But in that case shouldn't it be called From The OLD World? Or TO The New World?
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* If heterosexual relationships before the age of seventeen are so strongly discouraged, why do they have co-ed schools? The kids are encouraged to use homosexual sex as a pressure-release valve, of sorts, without being completely conditioned against heterosexuality (since otherwise they wouldn't procreate once they came of age). If they want to prevent the kids from experimenting with heterosexual sex as well, it would make more sense for the leaders of this society to simply limit interactions between boys and girls, and keep them in separate schools (like stricter societies have done for centuries). It almost seems like they want to work in lots of yuri fanservice, while keeping things status-quo in the end.

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* If heterosexual relationships before the age of seventeen are so strongly discouraged, why do they have co-ed schools? The kids are encouraged to use homosexual sex as a pressure-release valve, of sorts, without being completely conditioned against heterosexuality (since otherwise they wouldn't procreate once they came of age). If they want to prevent the kids from experimenting with heterosexual sex as well, it would make more sense for the leaders of this society to simply limit interactions between boys and girls, and keep them in separate schools (like stricter societies have done for centuries). It almost seems like they want to work in lots of yuri fanservice, while keeping things status-quo in the end.end.
*Why did the scientists feel the need to impose both attack inhibition AND death feedback. Both aren't foolproof, but they contradict each other as fallbacks - it is the attack inhibition of those around them that makes Fiends so unstoppable. If there was only death feedback and no attack inhibition, most would still be deterred from killing, but it allows the possibility of people sacrificing themselves to kill fiends in true emergencies.
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** Forget bonobos, what makes writers believe wolves have a way to avoid killing their own kind?! Wolves are opportunistic eaters, that don't shy away from cannibalism. Sure they are nice to their pack, but their pack is essentially family. It feels like writers didn't do their research, and used whatever justification. They could at least say that they engineered some kind of super-mirror neuron that connect to their parallel nervous system, causing organ failure and not base this on animals at all.

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** Forget bonobos, what makes writers believe wolves have a way to avoid killing their own kind?! Wolves are opportunistic eaters, that don't shy away from cannibalism. Sure they are nice to their pack, but their pack is essentially family. It feels like writers didn't do their research, and used whatever justification. They could at least say that they engineered some kind of super-mirror neuron that connect to their parallel nervous system, causing organ failure and not base this on animals at all.all.
* If heterosexual relationships before the age of seventeen are so strongly discouraged, why do they have co-ed schools? The kids are encouraged to use homosexual sex as a pressure-release valve, of sorts, without being completely conditioned against heterosexuality (since otherwise they wouldn't procreate once they came of age). If they want to prevent the kids from experimenting with heterosexual sex as well, it would make more sense for the leaders of this society to simply limit interactions between boys and girls, and keep them in separate schools (like stricter societies have done for centuries). It almost seems like they want to work in lots of yuri fanservice, while keeping things status-quo in the end.
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* The idea of using bonobos as a way of making the people inherently calmer and less aggressive is flawed. Yes bonobos resolve disputes through sex and are generally calm among each other, this is true. But we've seen through study that they are extremely aggressive and warlike to groups not seen as part of their own. Bonobos hunt in war parties, both male and female, and make intelligent surgical strikes against neighboring colonies of monkey and chimpanzees (and chimps are generally known as one of the most aggressive apes). They kill mercilessly and even take prisoners of war. So it doesn't seem right that putting bonobo mental conditioning in us would fix our aggressive tendencies, and you can't blame it on the time the novel was published, because we already knew this about bonobos at that point.

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* The idea of using bonobos as a way of making the people inherently calmer and less aggressive is flawed. Yes bonobos resolve disputes through sex and are generally calm among each other, this is true. But we've seen through study that they are extremely aggressive and warlike to groups not seen as part of their own. Bonobos hunt in war parties, both male and female, and make intelligent surgical strikes against neighboring colonies of monkey and chimpanzees (and chimps are generally known as one of the most aggressive apes). They kill mercilessly and even take prisoners of war. So it doesn't seem right that putting bonobo mental conditioning in us would fix our aggressive tendencies, and you can't blame it on the time the novel was published, because we already knew this about bonobos at that point.point.
** Forget bonobos, what makes writers believe wolves have a way to avoid killing their own kind?! Wolves are opportunistic eaters, that don't shy away from cannibalism. Sure they are nice to their pack, but their pack is essentially family. It feels like writers didn't do their research, and used whatever justification. They could at least say that they engineered some kind of super-mirror neuron that connect to their parallel nervous system, causing organ failure and not base this on animals at all.

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