History Headscratchers / FlashForward2009

** I know they hinted at it but I must of missed the part of that episode where it was confirmed so was just trying to find out.

* If the ending to "Believe" is any indication, Bryce and Keiko apparently took ''the exact same flight'' from Tokyo to Los Angeles. [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal How the holy hell]] did neither of them see each other ''at any point'' in the airport, on the flight, boarding/disembarking, etc.?

* Why is Flosso built up to be such a MagnificentBastard? He gets all (but one) of the rings, yes. He kidnaps both Simon and Lloyd, yes. He has Lloyd's prof killed, yes. But he is such a wooden liar that it's ridiculous why anyone trusts him. Also, he can't even claim the right of orchestrating Annabelle's capture/the Suspect 0 footage, as we clearly see D. Gibbons' involvement in the latter, and Flosso describes himself as a "middleman", implying that he wasn't entirely behind the Annabelle's kidnap either. Not to mention his clear breaches of GenreSavvy. He invokes GoodSmokingEvilSmoking, but doesn't see that by doing so, he is violating [[EvilOverlordListCellblockB Evil Overlord List #222]]: always misdirect your opponent as to what exactly your one weakness is. And again with [[EvilOverlordListCellblockA #187:]] once one's EvilPlan is complete, do not laugh at the [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]] and leave them alive. And don't, under any circumstances, allow yourself to be incapacitated and killed by said pawns. Especially if they are normally lightweights. He would have a hard time misdirecting Simon as to his weakness - Simon didn't figure out that he had a weak heart from his smoking, he already knew since they had known each other since Simon was a child. He also had no choice but to leave them alive, Flosso was still trying to blackmail Simon at the end so obviously they have more use for him.

*** It's a bit of a leap to go from one flashforward that doesn't ''look'' like coming true to saying that the future can definitely be changed - half the flashforwards we've seen appear improbable or even impossible to the people who had them. Also, if the future was one where the flashforwards never happened then how did they get the same photograph of the burnt doll (not "they went to the same location at some point", the photographs were literally identical)? And what about the guy who would have died on the operating table if not from evidence gained from his flashforward?
*** The latest episode has one character mention that in her vision she was at a big flashforward party in Times Square with half a million people, which would seem to confirm that the flashforwards happened in that timeline.
**** The scene was unclear, but I got the impression that the party in Times Square was something that is now being planned, not something that was in a flashforward ("we're at half a million people already," "do you have something better to do?"). And if it was from her flashforward, it would contradict every single flashforward we've actually seen (including Mark's), where no one shows even the slightest indication that they had foreseen that moment.
**** I just checked the scene again. She doesn't say that half a million people have booked, she says that half a million people have stated on Mosaic that they saw themselves at that party. Charlie from ''Lost'' follows this up with "half a million people glimpsed their future... and it's a glorified New Year's Eve party?", and then the woman tries to get him to tell her what he saw, arguing that she's just told him her flashforward. This really doesn't seem that ambiguous to me.

*** I always assumed the flashforwards were to an alternate future anyway. Frost said he took hundreds of Flashfowards and many of them were wildly different, which can't all be on account of this having changed between flashforwards. Also, when they were doing group experiments, the people they had take flashforwards also had wildly different experiences, so it's not unlikely that every single person actually had a vision of a DIFFERENT alternate future altogether. In some of them Mark and Olivia are married, in some of them, it's Olivia and Lloyd. He tried to guide the future to a particular one, but he obviously didn't quite succeed.

** This is actually brought up in one episode. China suffered few deaths because most people were asleep. A idiot assumes that this means that the Chinese were behind the blackout. The dream issue has yet to be brought up yet, though.

*** Except that Mark is already established that he's willing to be a HotBlooded RabidCop jackass in order to get done what he thinks needs to be done. Destroying a gun is small potatoes compared to some of his other stunts. This is a man who cut a deal with a literal NAZI for god's sake.

*** I know they hinted at it but I must of missed the part of that episode where it was confirmed so was just trying to find out.

*** There were people who saw thousands of flashforwards and each one of them was different. Gabriel for example. It's not like he took any action to change them, and yet, he saw any number of possible futures. I'd say it was pretty clear by the end that the flashforwards weren't sure things and may even have been glimpses of timelines that could never happen, or that might have happened, but for want of a nail.
* Why wasn't Demetri Noh the main character? He was so much more sane, pro-active, funny and less {{Wangst}}y than Mark. Too bad he was also less white.
* When Janis gets shot? Note to the writers/director/producers: women don't have uteruses or ovaries in their stomachs. Just thought I'd mention that.

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* Why is Flosso built up to be such a MagnificentBastard? He gets all (but one) of the rings, yes. He kidnaps both Simon and Lloyd, yes. He has Lloyd's prof killed, yes. But he is such a wooden liar that it's (for me) a giant WallBanger as to why anyone trusts him. Also, he can't even claim the right of orchestrating Annabelle's capture/the Suspect 0 footage, as we clearly see D. Gibbons' involvement in the latter, and Flosso describes himself as a "middleman", implying that he wasn't entirely behind the Annabelle's kidnap either. Not to mention his clear breaches of GenreSavvy. He invokes GoodSmokingEvilSmoking, but doesn't see that by doing so, he is violating [[EvilOverlordListCellblockB Evil Overlord List #222]]: always misdirect your opponent as to what exactly your one weakness is. And again with [[EvilOverlordListCellblockA #187:]] once one's EvilPlan is complete, do not laugh at the [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]] and leave them alive. And don't, under any circumstances, allow yourself to be incapacitated and killed by said pawns. Especially if they are normally lightweights. He would have a hard time misdirecting Simon as to his weakness - Simon didn't figure out that he had a weak heart from his smoking, he already knew since they had known each other since Simon was a child. He also had no choice but to leave them alive, Flosso was still trying to blackmail Simon at the end so obviously they have more use for him.

* Why is Flosso built up to be such a MagnificentBastard? He gets all (but one) of the rings, yes. He kidnaps both Simon and Lloyd, yes. He has Lloyd's prof killed, yes. But he is such a wooden liar that it's (for me) a giant WallBanger as to why anyone trusts him. Also, he can't even claim the right of orchestrating Annabelle's capture/the Suspect 0 footage, as we clearly see D. Gibbons' involvement in the latter, and Flosso describes himself as a "middleman", implying that he wasn't entirely behind the Annabelle's kidnap either. Not to mention his clear breaches of GenreSavvy. He invokes GoodSmokingEvilSmoking, but doesn't see that by doing so, he is violating [[EvilOverlordListCellblockB Evil Overlord List #222]]: always misdirect your opponent as to what exactly your one weakness is. And again with [[EvilOverlordListCellblockA #187:]] once one's XanatosGambit is complete, do not laugh at the [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]] and leave them alive. And don't, under any circumstances, allow yourself to be incapacitated and killed by said pawns. Especially if they are normally lightweights. He would have a hard time misdirecting Simon as to his weakness - Simon didn't figure out that he had a weak heart from his smoking, he already knew since they had known each other since Simon was a child. He also had no choice but to leave them alive, Flosso was still trying to blackmail Simon at the end so obviously they have more use for him.

** MagnificentBastard? Ha! He is actually a SmugSnake, who may be talented and/or intelligent, but his ego is so big that he makes stupid mistakes like you would not believe. That, and it makes him so detestable that his death was totally a KarmicDeath. Go, Simon!

* No one else had a flashforward about being at the FBI building? Mark or anyone who knew his flashforward could have asked the night watchmen or any agents who were assigned to be there if they had seen any armed guards coming in. Or what about the bombs? Did anyone remember them? We're talking about the entire city of LA here...

* Why wasn't Demetri Noh the main character? He was so much more sane, pro-active, funny and less {{Wangst}}y than Mark. [[strike:Too bad he was also less white.]]
* When Janis [[spoiler: gets shot?]] Note to the writers/director/producers:[[spoiler: women don't have uteruses or ovaries in their stomachs.]] Just thought I'd mention that.

* Why is Flosso built up to be such a MagnificentBastard? He gets all (but one) of the rings, yes. He kidnaps both Simon and Lloyd, yes. He has Lloyd's prof killed, yes. But he is such a wooden liar that it's (for me) a giant WallBanger as to why anyone trusts him. Also, he can't even claim the right of orchestrating Annabelle's capture/the Suspect 0 footage, as we clearly see D. Gibbons' involvement in the latter, and Flosso describes himself as a "middleman", implying that he wasn't entirely behind the Annabelle's kidnap either. Not to mention his clear breaches of GenreSavvy. He invokes GoodSmokingEvilSmoking, but doesn't see that by doing so, he is violating [[EvilOverlordListCellblockB Evil Overlord List #222]]: always misdirect your opponent as to what exactly your one weakness is. And again with [[EvilOverlordListCellblockA #187:]] once one's XanatosGambit is complete, do not laugh at the [[XanatosSucker sucker(s)]] and leave them alive. And don't, under any circumstances, allow yourself to be incapacitated and killed by said suckers. Especially if they are normally lightweights.
** He would have a hard time misdirecting Simon as to his weakness - Simon didn't figure out that he had a weak heart from his smoking, he already knew since they had known each other since Simon was a child. He also had no choice but to leave them alive, Flosso was still trying to blackmail Simon at the end so obviously they have more use for him.